Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

manofwisdom · 14-11-2019 1:52am

Alan Flynn a interesting appointment by Castlebar Mitchels.

Coillte_Bhoy · 14-11-2019 10:26am

OTB discussion on the leaked minutes of last week's meeting and the whole saga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSiHsx2jiCA

btw anyone know how to embed a YT video??

Coillte_Bhoy · 14-11-2019 10:35am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Big slap on the knuckles for the Co Board after Connolly saying they didn't require Croke Park. Suspect something bigish will come out at some stage.

Yet according to the leaked minutes the meeting unanimously voted for mediation

blinding · 14-11-2019 10:56am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Yet according to the leaked minutes the meeting unanimously voted for mediation

Sure Knock is only down the Road . Didn’t the Pope tog a Mayo Jersey .

if Knock can’t fix this then I’m worried about Heaven .

MayoAreMagic · 14-11-2019 7:58pm

Did anyone read joe brolly's piece on mayo? It is more centric on the players. I have no issue with players getting criticism when it is deserved, or even approaching deserved. But the whole article is painfully disingenuous.
'Pat and Noel' are apparently the saviours, if only our troublesome players didnt pole-axe them.
They would have done what gilroy did with dublin, and this change of ethos is what is missing in mayo, and why we didnt win any all irelands. How he knows what they as a management team were planning to do and how that would have played out isnt specified - a mere minor detail sure!

So, we can take from that, obviously brolly thinks that individually, mayo were in fact better than dublin, since he believes they would have toppled dublin had we the same type of management. Right?

Also, he seems to have forgotten who it was that did in fact topple gilroys dublin team, new ethos and all...

He slates individuals with inaccurate points. Apparently rory ocarroll put it up to aidan oshea and he didnt like it. Im just wondering if this actually happened in coppers or something since aos played in midfield in those days? While mcmahon and omahoney might have more of a claim, it is only fair to point out that our delivery to him, compared to say kerrys to donaghy, was pretty awful, and the guy was being marked by 2 and 3 people. Im not saying he never made a mistake or anything like that, but at least call it straight.
That horrible word of his 'wilted' made another appearance on this front also. Oshea has also never performed against dublin it seems, yet he was excellent against them in the 2017 final. He has been quiet in games against them, but mainly because dublin have built several gameplans around stopping him. Whether it be opening up space in the middle third and getting osullivan to run him, or double marking him inside, or starting ogara at ff to get mayo to put oshea back on him, or mcmahons obligatory attempts to get him sent off. In reality dublin have paid oshea more heed than thay do for pretty much anyone.

I could go on, and there is more, but Im sure people get the idea. I just dont get how people take him as a serious analyst when his input to debate is this poorly put together. It is akin to something a child would write, to my mind.

Blackjack · 14-11-2019 9:35pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Did anyone read joe brolly's piece on mayo? It is more centric on the players. I have no issue with players getting criticism when it is deserved, or even approaching deserved. But the whole article is painfully disingenuous.
'Pat and Noel' are apparently the saviours, if only our troublesome players didnt pole-axe them.
They would have done what gilroy did with dublin, and this change of ethos is what is missing in mayo, and why we didnt win any all irelands. How he knows what they as a management team were planning to do and how that would have played out isnt specified - a mere minor detail sure!

So, we can take from that, obviously brolly thinks that individually, mayo were in fact better than dublin, since he believes they would have toppled dublin had we the same type of management. Right?

Also, he seems to have forgotten who it was that did in fact topple gilroys dublin team, new ethos and all...

He slates individuals with inaccurate points. Apparently rory ocarroll put it up to aidan oshea and he didnt like it. Im just wondering if this actually happened in coppers or something since aos played in midfield in those days? While mcmahon and omahoney might have more of a claim, it is only fair to point out that our delivery to him, compared to say kerrys to donaghy, was pretty awful, and the guy was being marked by 2 and 3 people. Im not saying he never made a mistake or anything like that, but at least call it straight.
That horrible word of his 'wilted' made another appearance on this front also. Oshea has also never performed against dublin it seems, yet he was excellent against them in the 2017 final. He has been quiet in games against them, but mainly because dublin have built several gameplans around stopping him. Whether it be opening up space in the middle third and getting osullivan to run him, or double marking him inside, or starting ogara at ff to get mayo to put oshea back on him, or mcmahons obligatory attempts to get him sent off. In reality dublin have paid oshea more heed than thay do for pretty much anyone.

I could go on, and there is more, but Im sure people get the idea. I just dont get how people take him as a serious analyst when his input to debate is this poorly put together. It is akin to something a child would write, to my mind.

I don’t know why people bother with Brolly. Now that our licence fee no longer supports his soapboxing, he is of no relevance whatsoever. He offers nothing now and he never offered anything before so I pay him no heed.
The best you can do with Joe is to treat him with the attention he deserves and that is to completely ignore him and his personal agendas.

BENDYBINN · 14-11-2019 9:44pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Did anyone read joe brolly's piece on mayo? It is more centric on the players. I have no issue with players getting criticism when it is deserved, or even approaching deserved. But the whole article is painfully disingenuous.
'Pat and Noel' are apparently the saviours, if only our troublesome players didnt pole-axe them.
They would have done what gilroy did with dublin, and this change of ethos is what is missing in mayo, and why we didnt win any all irelands. How he knows what they as a management team were planning to do and how that would have played out isnt specified - a mere minor detail sure!

So, we can take from that, obviously brolly thinks that individually, mayo were in fact better than dublin, since he believes they would have toppled dublin had we the same type of management. Right?

Also, he seems to have forgotten who it was that did in fact topple gilroys dublin team, new ethos and all...

He slates individuals with inaccurate points. Apparently rory ocarroll put it up to aidan oshea and he didnt like it. Im just wondering if this actually happened in coppers or something since aos played in midfield in those days? While mcmahon and omahoney might have more of a claim, it is only fair to point out that our delivery to him, compared to say kerrys to donaghy, was pretty awful, and the guy was being marked by 2 and 3 people. Im not saying he never made a mistake or anything like that, but at least call it straight.
That horrible word of his 'wilted' made another appearance on this front also. Oshea has also never performed against dublin it seems, yet he was excellent against them in the 2017 final. He has been quiet in games against them, but mainly because dublin have built several gameplans around stopping him. Whether it be opening up space in the middle third and getting osullivan to run him, or double marking him inside, or starting ogara at ff to get mayo to put oshea back on him, or mcmahons obligatory attempts to get him sent off. In reality dublin have paid oshea more heed than thay do for pretty much anyone.

I could go on, and there is more, but Im sure people get the idea. I just dont get how people take him as a serious analyst when his input to debate is this poorly put together. It is akin to something a child would write, to my mind.

To say mayo supporters are celebrating mediocrity is a bit much.......they’re up there with Galway in my opinion!

MayoAreMagic · 14-11-2019 10:21pm

Blackjack wrote: »

I don’t know why people bother with Brolly. Now that our licence fee no longer supports his soapboxing, he is of no relevance whatsoever. He offers nothing now and he never offered anything before so I pay him no heed.
The best you can do with Joe is to treat him with the attention he deserves and that is to completely ignore him and his personal agendas.

I agree completely. The problem is there is a lot of people out there who think he is a well researched pundit and believe what he has to say. In reality he is a poor mans roy curtis. Furthermore, why should his disingenuous attitude be ignored? It should be called out.

Blackjack · 15-11-2019 12:51am

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I agree completely. The problem is there is a lot of people out there who think he is a well researched pundit and believe what he has to say. In reality he is a poor mans roy curtis. Furthermore, why should his disingenuous attitude be ignored? It should be called out.

He just craves the oxygen of attention and controversy. I wouldn’t give him the satisfaction.

wirelessdude01 · 15-11-2019 12:58am

Fact checking wouldn't exactly be Joseph's strong point when it comes to his articles, interviews or rants.

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-11-2019 2:26am

He's a intelligent man with good insight into the game and good ideas but too often he's trying to be the Dunphy of GAA punditry, is all about the Joe Show. Im guessing his insight into the whole player revolt/H & C comes form his personal life circumstances?

Blackjack · 15-11-2019 8:56am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

He's a intelligent man with good insight into the game and good ideas but too often he's trying to be the Dunphy of GAA punditry, is all about the Joe Show. Im guessing his insight into the whole player revolt/H & C comes form his personal life circumstances?

I would imagine his extra marital arrangement with a female member of back room team from the ill fated H&C era would be the main reason for his personalised attacks on a number of Mayo players.

ProudDUB · 15-11-2019 9:37am

Blackjack wrote: »

I would imagine his extra marital arrangement with a female member of back room team from the I’ll fated H&C era would be the main reason for his personalised attacks on a number of Mayo players.

Yeah and as a barrister, you'd think he'd have the cop on to realize that people are putting 2 and 2 together and coming to their own conclusions on that score. It's hardly a well kept secret at this stage.

Blackjack · 15-11-2019 10:22am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah and as a barrister, you'd think he'd have the cop on to realize that people are putting 2 and 2 together and coming to their own conclusions on that score. It's hardly a well kept secret at this stage.

You'd be surprised at the number of people that don't know. And people who you would expect to be aware.

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-11-2019 10:43am

Blackjack wrote: »

You'd be surprised at the number of people that don't know. And people who you would expect to be aware.

I only found out yesterday tbh

ProudDUB · 15-11-2019 3:22pm

Blackjack wrote: »

You'd be surprised at the number of people that don't know. And people who you would expect to be aware.

I think there are a lot of people who would have a healthy disregard for tittle tattle about the personal lives of players, pundits, managers etc etc & would pay it little mind. However, this is clearly having a direct impact on his output as a journalist, so I wouldn't have an ounce of pity for him if it was splashed all across the Sunday World.

Lord knows he's not shy about constantly putting stuff out there that paints himself in a good light, or reinforces his "true Gaelness". The not so salubrious stuff might open up a few eyes & provide some much needed context. Especially in relation to his articles on Mayo.

jr86 · 15-11-2019 3:27pm

Never heard anything about this

Blackjack · 15-11-2019 3:53pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

I think there are a lot of people who would have a healthy disregard for tittle tattle about the personal lives of players, pundits, managers etc etc & would pay it little mind. However, this is clearly having a direct impact on his output as a journalist, so I wouldn't have an ounce of pity for him if it was splashed all across the Sunday World.

Lord knows he's not shy about constantly putting stuff out there that paints himself in a good light, or reinforces his "true Gaelness". The not so salubrious stuff might open up a few eyes & provide some much needed context. Especially in relation to his articles on Mayo.

I agree with everthing you say except the bit in Bold. He's never been that, despite him thinking that he is.

mayo.mick · 15-11-2019 4:03pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

I think there are a lot of people who would have a healthy disregard for tittle tattle about the personal lives of players, pundits, managers etc etc & would pay it little mind. However, this is clearly having a direct impact on his output as a journalist, so I wouldn't have an ounce of pity for him if it was splashed all across the Sunday World.

Lord knows he's not shy about constantly putting stuff out there that paints himself in a good light, or reinforces his "true Gaelness". The not so salubrious stuff might open up a few eyes & provide some much needed context. Especially in relation to his articles on Mayo.

That's a shocking degradation of journalists the world over.

windy shepard henderson · 16-11-2019 2:29am

mayo.mick wrote: »

That's a shocking degradation of journalists the world over.

This is the Sunday world we are talking about, for years they only had 3 journalists, Amanda bunker, Paul Williams and William Shakespeare'a reincarnation.... Roy Curtis :rolleyes:

I think Joe brolly is a step up in class to be fair

MayoAreMagic · 16-11-2019 12:42pm

One issue I would have with just ignoring it, is that if say david brady for example, made exactly the same statements, people would be mocking the lack of factual accuracy. I dont get why brolly gets a pass there. In truth he shouldnt.

blinding · 16-11-2019 12:50pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

One issue I would have with just ignoring it, is that if say david brady for example, made exactly the same statements, people would be mocking the lack of factual accuracy. I dont get why brolly gets a pass there. In truth he shouldnt.

Sure Brolly is a Barrister and for some reason the opinion of a Barrister on Football is considered more important than a Barrista .

charlie14 · 16-11-2019 1:09pm

blinding wrote: »

Sure Brolly is a Barrister and for some reason the opinion of a Barrister on Football is considered more important than a Barrista .

Maybe not more important, but a lot more expensive for a journalist and his newspaper if they get it wrong.
Regardless of Brolly`s journalism from what I have been told by a number of people he is a sharp cookie when it comes to his legal profession.
It would be either a very brave/foolhardy editor that would print on the back of rumours or hearsay if they didn`t have very solid proof.

jr86 · 16-11-2019 7:06pm

Kilmaine absolutely romped to the Junior title!

Neale getting a lesson from Oughterard. Senior will be very, very tough for them next year. They can't handle Matthew Tierney at all, not near enough of a balanced 15

seligehgit · 17-11-2019 9:42pm

Great win for Tooreen.

Connacht Intermediate Champions.

charlie14 · 17-11-2019 10:32pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Great win for Tooreen.

Connacht Intermediate Champions.

Fair dues to them. A great result and a great scoreline.

That Kinvara team they beat today are no soft touch.
Hitting 21 points and winning by 5 is some achievement.
From what I hear the two Boland`s were outstanding.

km79 · 17-11-2019 11:35pm

http://twitter.com/RefComeOn/status/1196190351570157576

What is actually wrong with us

jr86 · 18-11-2019 5:43pm

Been a great few years for Tooreen, and they look to be even improving

Even gave a fine Oranmore side a very good game last year, and in that match almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong for them.

They would be well able to cut it in the Senior B championship in Galway

They were well beaten in the All Ireland semi two years ago, but should be much better equipped this time out. Fr O'Neills from Cork are their likely opponents. I know little about them but there aren't any marquee names there. That said the Cork side are generally very strong at intermediate level.

Would be great for Mayo hurling to get a day out in Croke Park in late January. You'd have to be a real sadist altogether to begrudge Tommy Walsh one last All Ireland medal though

irishgeo · 19-11-2019 2:09pm

Michael Gallagher going to court next w to reinstate him for PRO role. Sounds like the county board don't like change.

wirelessdude01 · 19-11-2019 2:17pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Michael Gallagher going to court next w to reinstate him for PRO role. Sounds like the county board don't like change.

Whether you like the rules or not, the rules have to be upheld. Seems to be very clear cut that he wasn't a member when he needed to be.

Personally don't think he has a leg to stand on.

The Supporter · 19-11-2019 3:49pm

The Ballaghaderreen Chairman said in the Mayo News today, that the damage done to Mayo GAA's Name could potentially harm their fund-raising capacity abroad in the future. I totally agree with him. Unless their is a big change in the Officers of Mayo County Board, we may not be able to get funding from abroad next year. For the Mayo Team to be successful next year they need more funding not less. Money has brought success to Limerick Hurlers last year, Tipperary Hurlers this year and A.I.G. has pumped a lot of money into Dublin's success story. I sincerely hope that Michael Gallagher is elected PRO at the next Mayo GAA Convention.

iluvfatfrogs · 19-11-2019 5:36pm

The Supporter wrote: »

The Ballaghaderreen Chairman said in the Mayo News today, that the damage done to Mayo GAA's Name could potentially harm their fund-raising capacity abroad in the future. I totally agree with him. Unless their is a big change in the Officers of Mayo County Board, we may not be able to get funding from abroad next year. For the Mayo Team to be successful next year they need more funding not less. Money has brought success to Limerick Hurlers last year, Tipperary Hurlers this year and A.I.G. has pumped a lot of money into Dublin's success story. I sincerely hope that Michael Gallagher is elected PRO at the next Mayo GAA Convention.

You must be very tired after only having three hours sleep over the last two nights...

spakman · 19-11-2019 7:41pm

I think the chairman position is a lot more important than who gets the PRO job.
Michael Gallagher always struck me as a bit wishy washy as a journalist tbh - not sure he'll be a man to implement change, and even if he is, is it possible to do so as PRO?

seligehgit · 19-11-2019 8:03pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Whether you like the rules or not, the rules have to be upheld. Seems to be very clear cut that he wasn't a member when he needed to be.

Personally don't think he has a leg to stand on.

Couldn't agree more.

It seems preposterous that a potential candidate for the position of PRO of the county board wasn't even a club member at the necessary time.

Rules are rules.IMO he hasn't a leg to stand on.

irishgeo · 19-11-2019 9:57pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Whether you like the rules or not, the rules have to be upheld. Seems to be very clear cut that he wasn't a member when he needed to be.

Personally don't think he has a leg to stand on.

He is saying the rules have been broken before and is hinting that members of the current board might have broken the rules.

MayoAreMagic · 20-11-2019 1:54am

spakman wrote: »

I think the chairman position is a lot more important than who gets the PRO job.
Michael Gallagher always struck me as a bit wishy washy as a journalist tbh - not sure he'll be a man to implement change, and even if he is, is it possible to do so as PRO?

I think he is kinda milking the current situation a bit, for his own ends. What is there to suggest that he is going to be any better than the current crop that are in there? Going in hard on them now is like shooting fish in a barrel, ahat is he actually going to do? A question Id rather was asked is why wasn't he a member of his club? Surely if he was serious about doing the role, he would have had all this checked from a long way out? It all seems a but opportunistic to me. Even if he actually is this white in shining armour effort, that he portrayed himself as on national radio, what can he actually do while in that role?

If he is suggesting that the rules were bent for the current regime, then surely bending them again will only bring more of the same? My solution would be leave him removed, and then remove anyone else who broke the rules. That would be a proper start to bringing about change.

PressRun · 22-11-2019 10:56pm

On the PRO position, certain county board members haven't covered themselves in glory there. They quoted one rule to Michael Gallagher initially and then went back at a later date and told him that actually they meant he couldn't apply because of a different rule. They don't know themselves what rules they're on about.

The whole thing is a **** show.

MayoAreMagic · 22-11-2019 11:04pm

PressRun wrote: »

On the PRO position, certain county board members haven't covered themselves in glory there. They quoted one rule to Michael Gallagher initially and then went back at a later date and told him that actually they meant he couldn't apply because of a different rule. They don't know themselves what rules they're on about.

The whole thing is a **** show.

Possibly. It could also be that the guy telling him the first time just quoted the wrong rule also though... Im not trying to defend them, but quoting two different rules in two different conversations isnt that big a deal either is it? The second rule was applicable after all. It is important to keep a balanced view of the goings on here, in both directions.

PressRun · 22-11-2019 11:21pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Possibly. It could also be that the guy telling him the first time just quoted the wrong rule also though... Im not trying to defend them, but quoting two different rules in two different conversations isnt that big a deal either is it? The second rule was applicable after all. It is important to keep a balanced view of the goings on here, in both directions.

I don't really care who ends up in the PRO position, but defending members of that county board is not a hill I'm willing to die on and I wouldn't put anything past them.
There's loads of other stuff simmering beneath the surface of this fiasco that is going on for years now and involves a certain few clubs too (anyone aware of the rivalries might be privy to this). It's going on long before Holmes & Connelly, although that is certainly playing a part in all of it too.

For what it's worth, I think Michael Gallagher is mad to get involved. Not because he couldn't do the job or whatever, but because there's some very murky business going on here.

irishgeo · 23-11-2019 1:56pm

noses are well out of joint in one north mayo club over promises made about ground redevelopment and the sudden lack of league games they were promised.

Bunny Colvin · 23-11-2019 4:19pm

irishgeo wrote: »

noses are well out of joint in one north mayo club over promises made about ground redevelopment and the sudden lack of league games they were promised.

All league games should be held in Castlebar by rights. Gone are the days when there's just a couple of thousand attending. Not to mention the money that was thrown into the stand, we might as well make some use of it.

ProudDUB · 23-11-2019 8:10pm

irishgeo wrote: »

noses are well out of joint in one north mayo club over promises made about ground redevelopment and the sudden lack of league games they were promised.

National football league games?

Where else were they to be played?

RedDevil55 · 23-11-2019 8:14pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

National football league games?

Where else were they to be played?

Ballina Stephenites' ground. As was said however, it doesn't have capacity for the crowds of the last few years.

Back in the day, there were league games played in Charlestown and Ballinrobe as well.

irishgeo · 24-11-2019 11:36am

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Ballina Stephenites' ground. As was said however, it doesn't have capacity for the crowds of the last few years.

Back in the day, there were league games played in Charlestown and Ballinrobe as well.

That's not what the were told though before they spent money doing it up.

ProudDUB · 24-11-2019 11:55am

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Ballina Stephenites' ground. As was said however, it doesn't have capacity for the crowds of the last few years.

Back in the day, there were league games played in Charlestown and Ballinrobe as well.

Yeah, can see how a match against Dublin, Kerry or Galway should be in Castlebar. But how big a crowd would a match against the likes of Cavan, Meath, Cork etc etc draw?

Barlett · 24-11-2019 11:58am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah, can see how a match against Dublin, Kerry or Galway should be in Castlebar. But how big a crowd would a match against the likes of Cavan, Meath, Cork etc etc draw?

At the moment , a minimum of 7k , but could bring 10k depending on the day

ProudDUB · 24-11-2019 12:12pm

Yeah. That's still a decent enough crowd. I suppose it's not just about the size or state of the ground either. Good access for the supporters in the depths of winter is just as important. McHale Park is brilliant, having the industrial estate & all that parking just next door.

jr86 · 24-11-2019 12:22pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah, can see how a match against Dublin, Kerry or Galway should be in Castlebar. But how big a crowd would a match against the likes of Cavan, Meath, Cork etc etc draw?

At the moment mayo and Waterford would draw a big crowd

Lets be honest it's fashionable at the moment to be seen at mayo games. When push comes to shove though the club latter stages still get modest attendances

It's still a few years away from crowds dwindling back to pre 2010s levels, so Ballina etc aren't really feasible yet

km79 · 24-11-2019 1:11pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah, can see how a match against Dublin, Kerry or Galway should be in Castlebar. But how big a crowd would a match against the likes of Cavan, Meath, Cork etc etc draw?

Still 10000 or so

RedDevil55 · 24-11-2019 4:55pm

jr86 wrote: »

At the moment mayo and Waterford would draw a big crowd

Lets be honest it's fashionable at the moment to be seen at mayo games. When push comes to shove though the club latter stages still get modest attendances

It's still a few years away from crowds dwindling back to pre 2010s levels, so Ballina etc aren't really feasible yet

I don't think Ballina will ever be feasible again. Attendances at league games have got much bigger across the board in the last 10 years, not just in Mayo. It's a shame because the pitch is far better than the one in MacHale Park.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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