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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #8582
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    no that is the issue. we have someone running for president and there is a strong possibility he is owned by a foreign power.

    Any proof of that?


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    #8583
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    no that is the issue. we have someone running for president and there is a strong possibility he is owned by a foreign power.

    That possibility exists solely in your head currently.


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    #8584
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Also not only that, his debts open him up to manipulation from more than just foreign powers which is a pretty deal when he's struggling to pay them back.


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    #8585
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Any proof of that?

    who does he owe that 400M to?


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    #8586
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭threeball


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    I don't think Trump has even many supporters in the US tbh. People still don't get it. Voting Trump is a kick in the balls to the liberals who have nothing to offer Americans but the same old tired rhetoric that has failed them for years. Trump's family probably don't even like him never mind Trump supporters.

    All this releasing of his tax affairs and the soldiers are losers comments and any other stuff will not change the course of the election.

    You don't even know what a liberal is. They're rarer than hens teeth in America. FYI Democrats aren't liberals, they are only slightly less backward than 90% of republicans.


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    #8587
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    That possibility exists solely in your head currently.

    so there is no possibility that he owes 400M to a foreign power? none, nada, zilch possibility of that?


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    #8588
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    sure thing. weird that everything you post supports trump. but you are definitely not a trump supporter.


    Are you unable to separate the person from his actions?
    I am.

    I don’t think everything he did is right.
    I don’t think everything he does is wrong.

    I decide item by item instead of having this childish mentality that if he did it it must be wrong.


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    #8589
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so there is no possibility that he owes 400M to a foreign power? none, nada, zilch possibility of that?

    There is a possibility he owes 400m to the Borg.


    But I’m kinda interested in evidence.


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    #8590
    titan18
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    Imagine thinking that a newspaper of record like the NY Times would just make up a story because they're out to get him. This isn't the bloody Sun you're talking about. Trump supporters and their desperate conspiracy theories make me laugh.

    I mean, they've been caught lying (they had an article on how Bush wasnt going to vote for Trump and Bush's spokesman came out and denied that immediately) or omitting facts in story to paint a certain picture (Kavanaugh for example).

    I'm not a trump supporter either. I think the guy is an idiot.


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    #8591
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    There is a possibility he owes 400m to the Borg.


    But I’m kinda interested in evidence.

    you're really not.


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    #8592
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,103 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Trump's image is a sham. One of the things jumping out of the Times article is the use of "consultancy fees" as an expense to reduce his taxable income. Some of these fees were actually being funnelled to Ivanka Trump. Now that's dodgy as hell. She's part of the Trump Organisation - they kept the money in the family but eliminated the tax liability on it by claiming it as an expense. That's closer to evasion than avoidance.

    .


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    #8593
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you're really not.

    (Ahhh playground rules)


    Yes I am.


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    #8594
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I suppose the donations the financial sector in the US make to presidental candidates is an inconvenience to your argument?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/bankers-back-biden-trump-393297

    It's not even relevant to anything I said, so no. No amount of pretending apples are oranges will distract from that, this man is radioactive in corporate terms because anything you let him near would be considered at risk.

    Somebody in a hair of this much hard debt would be screened out of a job in Dealz because they'd be considered too much of a liability, you couldn't trust him not to give his loan shark the blind eye to fleece the store.

    He couldn't get a job as a cleaner in most offices because he could be used to case the place.

    He couldn't get a job as a security guard to a warehouse, because he could be used as a wedge for thieves to get in.

    He could not get so much as a job on a factory production line nowadays because he could be used to steal corporate secrets.

    And on and on and on.

    Somebody in this much debt is considered inherently compromised no matter how morally upright they might have been in other circumstances, dangerous to any institution they're involved in, because they will always be an obvious entry point for further bad actors.


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    #8595
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    It's not even relevant to anything I said, so no. No amount of pretending apples are oranges will distract from that, this man is radioactive in corporate terms because anything you let him near would be considered at risk.

    Somebody in a hair of this much hard debt would be screened out of a job in Dealz because they'd be considered too much of a liability, you couldn't trust him not to give his loan shark the blind eye to fleece the store.

    He couldn't get a job as a cleaner in most offices because he could be used to case the place.

    He couldn't get a job as a security guard to a warehouse, because he could be used as a wedge for thieves to get in.

    He could not get so much as a job on a factory production line nowadays because he could be used to steal corporate secrets.

    And on and on and on.

    Somebody in this much debt is considered inherently untrustworthy no matter how morally upright they might have been otherwise, dangerous to any institution they're involved in, because they will always be dangerously compromised and an obvious entry point for further bad actors.

    they dont care about any of that. they only care about owning the libs.


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    #8596
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    biko wrote: »
    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/

    Project Veritas, like any other media with "Truth" in their name, have a very lax relationship with the truth. O Keefe's reputation isn't great and these days, the only people to take his videos seriously are the types of people who's twitter feed is full of conspiracy theorists and other assorted loons.

    Come to think of it, didn't you fall for a tweet by some conspiracy loon a few weeks ago and then post it in one of these threads?


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    #8597
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Project Veritas, like any other media with "Truth" in their name, have a very lax relationship with the truth. O Keefe's reputation isn't great and these days, the only people to take his videos seriously are the types of people who's twitter feed is full of conspiracy theorists and other assorted loons.

    Come to think of it, didn't you fall for a tweet by some conspiracy loon a few weeks ago and then post it in one of these threads?

    Of course the likes of CNN and Fox are bastion's of truth


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    #8598
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    The likes of James O'Keefe and Jacob Wohl are not journalists, and nothing they do can be trusted or taken at face value..


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    #8599
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    It's not even relevant to anything I said, so no. No amount of pretending apples are oranges will distract from that, this man is radioactive in corporate terms because anything you let him near would be considered at risk.

    Somebody in a hair of this much hard debt would be screened out of a job in Dealz because they'd be considered too much of a liability, you couldn't trust him not to give his loan shark the blind eye to fleece the store.

    He couldn't get a job as a cleaner in most offices because he could be used to case the place.

    He couldn't get a job as a security guard to a warehouse, because he could be used as a wedge for thieves to get in.

    He could not get so much as a job on a factory production line nowadays because he could be used to steal corporate secrets.

    And on and on and on.

    Somebody in this much debt is considered inherently compromised no matter how morally upright they might have been in other circumstances, dangerous to any institution they're involved in, because they will always be an obvious entry point for further bad actors.



    It’s very relevant, you seem to be happy to speak for the banking sector and I’m pointing out the banking sector are happy to make donations to the man. So that kinda puts your ideological based argument to bed.

    Sure in an ideal world nobody would do business with somebody like him.

    But that’s not the world we live in.


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    #8600
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Of course the likes of CNN and Fox are bastion's of truth

    Nobody said that but news organisations like Fox are very good when it comes to their factual reporting. They have a bias but a very high percentage of the factual statements on their straight news shows are accurate.

    Project Veritas, on the other hand, is just a slightly more competent Jacob Wohl. They're up to the same shíte, that is to say hoaxing, but Wohl is woeful at it.


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    #8601
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It’s very relevant, you seem to be happy to speak for the banking sector and I’m pointing out the banking sector are happy to make donations to the man. So that kinda puts your ideological based argument to bed.

    Sure in an ideal world nobody would do business with somebody like him.

    But that’s not the world we live in.

    we know about the donations. they are also domestic. so at worst the president is wildly partisan which is nothing new. All american politics is built on donations and is partisan because of that. a president that is in the pocket of a foreign power is an entirely different matter and strangely you refuse to acknowledge that.


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    #8602
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,499 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So banks won't hire a person in such debt because of the risks that are inherent in such a position but they will donate to him?

    Bascially, that is telling you they are more than happy to use somebody like him to gain advantage, but won't take the risk themselves.

    But once again you missing a vital component in all of this.


    If Trump is now a failed businessman, what exactly is it that he brings to the table? He said he didn't need experience of politics because he was a successful businessman. That is false.

    Think back to 2016. A broke Tonald Drump comes down an escalator and says that, despite being massively in debt, despite many of his business continuing to fail, and despite having no political experience or policies, he wants to be POTUS. How do you think the vast majority of people would have reacted?

    So he cultivated this idea that he was indeed a success, which he levereaged his time on the Apprentice to garner, and that gave him enough in to be in the race. That all that has subsequently been shown to be a scam, a con, yet you seem to be suggested that none of it matters and that he should still be taken seriously.

    Now, if by chance he had turned out to be a great POTUS then I could understand. If he had fixed healthcare, infrastructure, the national debt, the widening wealth gap. Sorted out gun violence, brought the country together etc then I could understand. Th eplucky outsider, gifted a chance normally reserved for others shows that talent out does everything.

    But now of that happened. He hasn't achieved anything, and with knowledge of how his business failed it makes perfect sense why he failed as POTUS.


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    #8603
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,629 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Can postal votes be sent in at any time in the US.i always assumed there was a time limit?


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    #8604
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Can postal votes be sent in at any time in the US.i always assumed there was a time limit?

    postal voting in the US is state dependent.


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    #8605
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,497 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we know about the donations. they are also domestic. so at worst the president is wildly partisan which is nothing new. All american politics is built on donations and is partisan because of that. a president that is in the pocket of a foreign power is an entirely different matter and strangely you refuse to acknowledge that.

    Are you still on about the Borg?


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    #8606
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It’s very relevant, you seem to be happy to speak for the banking sector and I’m pointing out the banking sector are happy to make donations to the man. So that kinda puts your ideological based argument to bed

    Nothing to do with anything, and I already said it's not a moral issue. A donation is not a standing liability, it's fire and forget. It's the difference between handing a beggar a fiver vs giving them my credit card and telling them to buy a fiver's worth of stuff. I'm not going to humour you on this, no amount of clanging pots or nonsequiters together can obscure a 1.1 Billion dollar dog leash.

    Nobody who is a billion dollars in debt gets to that point without everybody around them knowing it, btw. The GOP knowingly gave this man keys to the entire security apparatus of the United States with at least some of its leadership aware he was somebody else's financially wholly owned livestock.


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    #8607
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Are you still on about the Borg?

    are you going to spend all day posting like a child?


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    #8608
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,629 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    postal voting in the US is state dependent.

    Fair enough I always thought that the ballots would only be sent out a few weeks before


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    #8609
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,205 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Fair enough I always thought that the ballots would only be sent out a few weeks before

    went out weeks ago. already nearly 1M votes have been cast.


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    #8610
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I see todays talikng point to distract from trumps taxes has been released

    There is a separate thread for that discussion.
    Why are you trying to divert attention from mail in fraud?


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    #8611
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,467 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Nothing to do with anything, and I already said it's not a moral issue. A donation is not a standing liability, it's fire and forget. It's the difference between handing a beggar a fiver vs giving them my credit card and telling them to buy a fiver's worth of stuff. I'm not going to humour you on this, no amount of clanging pots or nonsequiters together can obscure a 1.1 Billion dollar dog leash.

    Nobody who is a billion dollars in debt gets to that point without everybody around them knowing it, btw. The GOP knowingly gave this man keys to the entire security apparatus of the United States with at least some of its leadership aware he was somebody else's financially wholly owned livestock.

    The GOP fought tooth and nail to try and keep the nomination from him, the about face only came when he won. If he loses, or post second term, he'll be
    by himself again.


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