2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from mail in fraud?

i was noting the coincidence, nothing more.

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from ALLEGED mail in fraud?

Fixed that for you.


Some good questions asked here, click the thread for further questions that need to be asked.

https://twitter.com/bblock8/status/1310408599642857472?s=19


Also, Devin Nunes admitting here that the Republicans are taking part in ballot harvesting as it's the only way they can win.

https://twitter.com/SIERRAxGIRL/status/1310523864384860161?s=19

duploelabs

biko wrote: »

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from mail in fraud?

Exactly how many cases of mail in fraud in the last 20 years? Of the tens of millions of votes?

192 cases, that's all, 192 votes.
That's the word of the Heritage foundation, a conservative think tank.
There is absolutely no evidence of significant mail in fraud.

'we have not seen historically any coordinated national voter fraud effort in an major election, whether that's mail or otherwise' - Christopher Wray (a trump appointee under oath)

'Republicans trying to make their cases in court s must deal with the basic truth that four decades of dedicated investigation have produced only isolated incidents of election fraud' - Benjamin Ginsberg (a republican election lawyer)

lawrencesummers

jill_valentine wrote: »

Nothing to do with anything, and I already said it's not a moral issue. A donation is not a standing liability, it's fire and forget. It's the difference between handing a beggar a fiver vs giving them my credit card and telling them to buy a fiver's worth of stuff. I'm not going to humour you on this, no amount of clanging pots or nonsequiters together can obscure a 1.1 Billion dollar dog leash.

Nobody who is a billion dollars in debt gets to that point without everybody around them knowing it, btw. The GOP knowingly gave this man keys to the entire security apparatus of the United States with at least some of its leadership aware he was somebody else's financially wholly owned livestock.

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

duploelabs

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

You're operationally naive if you think that all donations and money transfers don't need to be accounted for. It's fraud if they don't

salmocab

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

They didn’t say that at all

Billy Mays

$750 in federal taxes for the year

#AmericaFirst

ohnonotgmail

salmocab wrote: »

They didn’t say that at all

any post that starts with "so your[sic] saying" can usually be instantly ignored.

Timberrrrrrrr

Billy Mays wrote: »

$750 in federal taxes for the year

#AmericaFirst

Remember when Republicans slagged off AOC because she worked as a bar tender to pay her way through college?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1310384989524185093?s=19

jill_valentine

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

Couldn't even be honestly mistaken for what I said. I already told you I will not be humouring this kind of silliness, my point is clear. Arguing a different one is a game you can play alone.

The important thing is that as distasteful as it is to know a guy like this is investing less in society than people working for a living, it's not an issue of tax avoidance - it's far more serious than that.

The President of the United States belongs to whoever owns the other end of his debt, and that has massive implications for both domestic and international security. International stability even, depending on who his owners are. A guy who couldn't be a safe bet to leave closing up an Insomnia stand for fear of what he might be levered into doing has been left unattended in an air traffic control tower.

breezy1985

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Remember when Republicans slagged off AOC because she worked as a bar tender to pay her way through college?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1310384989524185093?s=19

I like her more every day

lawrencesummers

duploelabs wrote: »

You're operationally naive if you think that all donations and money transfers don't need to be accounted for. It's fraud if they don't

I’m aware how the system works. Are you?

duploelabs

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I’m aware how the system works. Are you?

Stop sh!t posting, it's getting tiresome. I just explained the flaws in your counter argument, if responding in a mature manner is beyond you then I suggest you leave it

Quin_Dub

Foxnews.com Homepage right now.

Not a SINGLE mention of Trumps Tax returns , not even an "It's all fake" retort.

Nothing , not a single thing..

If it's True , it's huge news , If it's False , it's huge news and would (and should) be the end of the New York Times.

Either way , any serious News organization should be reporting on it.

But , not a word about it..

Why would that be?

MeMen2_MoRi_

Illegal immigrants contribute nearly $12 billion a year to the US tax system..

https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/immigration2016.pdf

While the great patriot that is Donnie can barely muster to hand over a thousand dollars..

relax carry on

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump's image is a sham. One of the things jumping out of the Times article is the use of "consultancy fees" as an expense to reduce his taxable income. Some of these fees were actually being funnelled to Ivanka Trump. Now that's dodgy as hell. She's part of the Trump Organisation - they kept the money in the family but eliminated the tax liability on it by claiming it as an expense. That's closer to evasion than avoidance.

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From a professional perspective the "consultancy fees" is an old trick a newly minted auditor would have to question and follow it through to see if it was a genuine allowable expense or an deliberate attempt to reduce the taxable income. If it was a deliberate attempt then unless the IRS legislation is off the wall, that is tax evasion which should be a criminal offence. Again every case has its own peculiarities and depending on how good the attempt to disguise the payments were, Trump could have some serious issues to address in relation to his accounts.

DraftDodger

Alleged tax dodging

Alleged mail in voting fraud

That's all any of this is.

Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

duploelabs

DraftDodger wrote: »

Alleged tax dodging

Alleged mail in voting fraud

That's all any of this is.

Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

He's never been convicted of anything because of Barr's memo. Once he's out of office all bets are off

DraftDodger

DraftDodger wrote: »

Alleged tax dodging

Alleged mail in voting fraud

That's all any of this is.

Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

Even if we're ignoring the tax dodging aspect, he's in immense debt and consistently losing money. The debt is a liability for him as POTUS.

Quin_Dub

DraftDodger wrote: »

Alleged tax dodging

Alleged mail in voting fraud

That's all any of this is.

Trump has been in power almost 4 years now and he's never been convicted of anything. All this alleged stuff does is further harden the polarisation of both sides.

Because he can't be - That's kind of the point.

He was listed as an "unindicted co-conspirator" for the crime that got Michael Cohen sent to jail - The only reason he was "unindicted" was because he was President.

DraftDodger

Exactly guys, never been convicted of anything.

He may or may not be convicted when he leaves office but until then it means nothing. Until he is convicted in a court of law his supporters will just see this tax stuff as more of the same witch hunt propaganda. That's America for you.

duploelabs

DraftDodger wrote: »

Exactly guys, never been convicted of anything.

He may or may not be convicted when he leaves office but until then it means nothing. Until he is convicted in a court of law his supporters will just see this tax stuff as more of the same witch hunt propaganda. That's America for you.

A witch hunt or propaganda implies there's no substance being the claims, it is not the case with regards to his financial shenanigans

Igotadose

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Foxnews.com Homepage right now.

Not a SINGLE mention of Trumps Tax returns , not even an "It's all fake" retort.

Nothing , not a single thing..

If it's True , it's huge news , If it's False , it's huge news and would (and should) be the end of the New York Times.

Either way , any serious News organization should be reporting on it.

But , not a word about it..

Why would that be?

Yah. But crap from convicted felon O'Keeffe on Rep. Omar.
And the other, pathetic mouthpiece site Oann did have this whacko's endorsement of the #IMPOTUS on its home page:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kenosha-sheriff-racism-people-that-arent-worth-saving-aclu-1050971/

"The sheriff orchestrating law enforcement response to the uprising in Kenosha — sparked by the senseless police shooting of 29-year-old black father Jacob Blake in front of his children — is facing calls to resign from the ACLU. The civil liberties organization is blasting Sheriff David Beth for his department’s friendly rapport with white vigilantes at Tuesday’s deadly protest, and for comments the sheriff made in 2018, in which he railed against a crew of black alleged shoplifters, calling for the “the garbage people that fill our communities” to be “warehoused” in inhumane conditions, until “they’ve perished in these buildings.”"

ranto_boy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Foxnews.com Homepage right now.

Not a SINGLE mention of Trumps Tax returns , not even an "It's all fake" retort.

Just checked. Second listed story on homepage. Never visited the site before so no cookie funniness.

Quin_Dub

ranto_boy wrote: »

Just checked. Second listed story on homepage. Never visited the site before so no cookie funniness.

It's there now , but was not there at least up to an hour or so ago..

They took a LONG time to put that there.

ranto_boy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It's there now , but was not there at least up to an hour or so ago..

They took a LONG time to put that there.

I don't watch or have the channel, so no idea about live but a brief search gets the following

On their Youtube channel, put up yesterday (no idea if that's US or here) but there's comments there from 6 or so hours ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRuKJH5KVI

Published 16 hours ago - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-new-york-times-avoid-paying-taxes-totally

And there's more but you get the idea.

Quin_Dub

ranto_boy wrote: »

I don't watch or have the channel, so no idea about live but a brief search gets the following

On their Youtube channel, put up yesterday (no idea if that's US or here) but there's comments there from 6 or so hours ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRuKJH5KVI

Published 16 hours ago - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-new-york-times-avoid-paying-taxes-totally

And there's more but you get the idea.

Indeed - "Published" and "Linked on the homepage" aren't the same thing though :-).

Justin Credible Darts

DraftDodger wrote: »

I don't think Trump has even many supporters in the US tbh. People still don't get it. Voting Trump is a kick in the balls to the liberals who have nothing to offer Americans but the same old tired rhetoric that has failed them for years. Trump's family probably don't even like him never mind Trump supporters.

All this releasing of his tax affairs and the soldiers are losers comments and any other stuff will not change the course of the election.

Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.

duploelabs

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.

Still leaps and bounds ahead of the candidate that the GOP are putting forward

breezy1985

duploelabs wrote: »

Still leaps and bounds ahead of the candidate that the GOP are putting forward

I love the bumbling geriatric nonsense from the Rep. as if their guy is a suave young accomplished orator