2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Justin Credible Darts

duploelabs wrote: »

Still leaps and bounds ahead of the candidate that the GOP are putting forward

is biden better than trump...well yes....




he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

breezy1985

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

is biden better than trump...well yes....




he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

For me alot of election become about who I want to see lose rather than having a candidate I really want to vote for

threeball

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

is biden better than trump...well yes....




he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

Biden isn't a great public speaker and is prone to the odd gaffe but he will be light years ahead of Trump who cares for nothing or no one. He is quite happy to kill people, trash the planet, destroy peoples lives, just so long as he benefits. Joe is a bit slow but its hard to believe how his moral compass is anything other than vastly preferable to Trumps.

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

This should be good.

threeball

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

This should be good.

Unfortunately its from a UK source so its more likely the yanks back "their guy" against those weird foreigners trying in interfere in democracy. Might even be worth bombing them.

Eric Cartman

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

This should be good.

at the end on some columns is some sort of unique ID string, probably from a social media profile. Im going to take a hard guess here and say that its a list from an analytics company who were trying to assess how to target likely voters, listed all of the key demographic correlations and had a list of those that were not worth targeting for votes, a large amount of those vocal supporters happen to be black so channel 4 'arranged by column' and turned up the shock factor.

Leroy42

Deleted User wrote: »

As I said, that's because they are the most commonly used accusations against the Trump administration. Not because they are actually true.

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

is biden better than trump...well yes....




he is the lesser of 2 evils, both are still abysmal.
People can slate trump to deflect, and as bad as he is, it wont change biden is awful as well

But it is a two horse race, they are the choices.

And in life, sometimes, we are faced with tough choices but we still need to make the best of the choices we have.

Justin Credible Darts

Leroy42 wrote: »

But it is a two horse race, they are the choices.

And in life, sometimes, we are faced with tough choices but we still need to make the best of the choices we have.

my point is in terms of the bigger picture and why american politics is such an utter shambles


Putting aside that a 2 party only type of system is all they use is bad enough, but it should be encouraging the parties to provide the best of the best.


Trump and biden for the role of president of the USA are deplorable choices.
Biden is better, but only because his opponent is even worse

DraftDodger

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.

I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.

eire4

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

my point is in terms of the bigger picture and why american politics is such an utter shambles


Putting aside that a 2 party only type of system is all they use is bad enough, but it should be encouraging the parties to provide the best of the best.


Trump and biden for the role of president of the USA are deplorable choices.
Biden is better, but only because his opponent is even worse

I agree with what your saying there except in one regard. I would not describe their politics as an utter shambles. That would be an improvement IMHO. Their politics is utterly corrupt and dysfunctional. The bribery of politicians and government in the US is so pervasive they are not IMHO a legitimate democracy but rather an oligarchy. That for me is the core problem and I see no signs that they have any interest in changing that.

Penn

DraftDodger wrote: »

I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.

As much as I agree that Biden is a bland, uninspiring choice... He may also be the best bet at beating Trump regardless, because he is centrist enough that he'll appeal to more independents/moderates than most of the other candidates. Besides which, the candidate is nominated by votes in the primaries, and Biden picked up more votes, which is mainly from registered members of the Democratic Party.

As awful as he is, he may have the best shot against Trump.

extra gravy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

at the end on some columns is some sort of unique ID string, probably from a social media profile. Im going to take a hard guess here and say that its a list from an analytics company who were trying to assess how to target likely voters, listed all of the key demographic correlations and had a list of those that were not worth targeting for votes, a large amount of those vocal supporters happen to be black so channel 4 'arranged by column' and turned up the shock factor.

The Channel 4 news team are one of the best in the business and I expect nothing less than a thorough investigation. You can guess all you want, I'd rather watch it.

MrMusician18

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Trump was a kick in the balls 4 years ago and he still won.


My point is, if the democrats had a single candidate , instead of the atrocious and detestable hilary, and this bumbling old geriatric biden, they would romp home.


If trump does ever get in, you do not only blame the voters, but the blame should also lie with the democrats, for choosing yet another abysmal candidate.

They wouldn't. The US is so divided and polarised that you are now in one camp or the other. Everything is seen through a partisan lens.

If one side did field the technically perfect candidate, the other side would still find reasons not to vote for him or her.

namloc1980

DraftDodger wrote: »

I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.

He won a primary process which had a host of other candidates and was by far the most popular candidate amongst Democrat voters in the primaries. He wasn't just plucked out of thin air.

eire4

DraftDodger wrote: »

I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.

I would say it is because they are a corporate owned party that has no interest in legislating for the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans. The Republicans work for and on behalf of the richest 1% of Americans and big business.
The Democrats maybe the richest 20%.But that still leaves the vast majority of Americans on the outside and they simply have no interest in them other then throwing them a few crumbs to keep them pacified.

Quin_Dub

Ouch!!

After a reasonably steady run in recent times from his favourite pollster - Rasmussen , Trumps numbers fall off a cliff today.

9 point drop in Net approval rating in the figures today , from -2 to -11 - The lowest it's been in about 6/7 weeks.

48% say they "Strongly Disapprove" of him .

As far as I know the data published today would be from surveys done on Friday , so before the Tax information dropped over the week-end . Tomorrow could be interesting.

Justin Credible Darts

the problem with the polls is they are not always accurate.

I suspect a lot of people are secretive Trump supporters and wont admit to it for fear of abuse or ridicule.

guess that shows how tolerant the democrat supporters are. This is a factor the polls dont take in to account.

namloc1980

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the problem with the polls is they are not always accurate.

I suspect a lot of people are secretive Trump supporters and wont admit to it for fear of abuse or ridicule.

guess that shows how tolerant the democrat supporters are. This is a factor the polls dont take in to account.

Gotta laugh at the suggestion of a shy Trump vote. One thing you can say about Trumpists is that they are far from shy.

And you just made up the scenario in bold. Do you think the pollsters are going to abuse and ridicule them or something?

namloc1980

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Ouch!!

After a reasonably steady run in recent times from his favourite pollster - Rasmussen , Trumps numbers fall off a cliff today.

9 point drop in Net approval rating in the figures today , from -2 to -11 - The lowest it's been in about 6/7 weeks.

48% say they "Strongly Disapprove" of him .

As far as I know the data published today would be from surveys done on Friday , so before the Tax information dropped over the week-end . Tomorrow could be interesting.

When Rasmussen have his approval dropping like that you know it's bad.

jill_valentine

Penn wrote: »

As much as I agree that Biden is a bland, uninspiring choice... He may also be the best bet at beating Trump regardless, because he is centrist enough that he'll appeal to more independents/moderates than most of the other candidates. Besides which, the candidate is nominated by votes in the primaries, and Biden picked up more votes, which is mainly from registered members of the Democratic Party.

As awful as he is, he may have the best shot against Trump.

They picked Biden because he's been absolutely ****ing Teflon to all Trump's nonsense. Papers fell over themselves to give column inches to Clinton's email categorisation, an absolutely nothing story. By comparison, Trumpland hasn't been able to get one single thing to stick on Biden outside their own Facebook circles for more than a day or two despite their best efforts.

He's not a woman so they can't call him a bitch. He's not black so they can't darken his skin in photos and pretend they think he's African. He's too oldschool for them to blather on about socialism, and his son was in the Army so they can't gob on about supporting the troops. And the National Enquirer hasn't spent 20 years priming people to believe any aul bs they read about him so Trump had to start from cold.

Trump's campaign against Clinton worked as well as it did because it found lots of eager ears outside its own petrie dish. His campaign against Biden can't seem to find any traction at all by comparison.

You might not find him especially exciting, but the fact he doesn't fit comfortably into the subtler sexist or racist receptors lots of people have without knowing has served him very well so far. Excitement is what Harris is for,

DraftDodger

DraftDodger wrote: »

I'm still finding it hard to understand why the Democrats put Biden forward. They had a wide open goal and they'll be lucky to even hit the crossbar.

Perfect analogy. Trump winning and 2016 and 2020 is not because America suddenly became racist. It is entirely down to how brazenly corrupt the Democrats are. They don't care about losing the election, their priority is nominating someone who will do what they're told, play by the old rules, take care of the donors and the corporate interests. They shafted Bernie 4 years ago, when he would have easily taken a lot of Trump voters and won. They're doing the same now, putting in a safe establishment guy rather than some of the young gun populist left wingers, the AOCs etc. When they lose, they will blame everyone but themselves.

DraftDodger

Penn wrote: »

As much as I agree that Biden is a bland, uninspiring choice... He may also be the best bet at beating Trump regardless, because he is centrist enough that he'll appeal to more independents/moderates than most of the other candidates. Besides which, the candidate is nominated by votes in the primaries, and Biden picked up more votes, which is mainly from registered members of the Democratic Party.

As awful as he is, he may have the best shot against Trump.

America is craving change. Obama promised and failed, Trump promised and hasn't. Joe Biden is not change. He represents the status quo and was an absolute disaster of a pick.

DraftDodger

DraftDodger wrote: »

America is craving change. Obama promised and failed, Trump promised and hasn't. Joe Biden is not change. He represents the status quo and was an absolute disaster of a pick.

What positive change has Trump brought? He's treated the presidency as a way to engage further in his narcissism. He's stoked divisions and during one of the biggest disasters in living history, he's managed to divide the nation further and left 200k citizens to die.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

Perfect analogy. Trump winning and 2016 and 2020 is not because America suddenly became racist. It is entirely down to how brazenly corrupt the Democrats are. They don't care about losing the election, their priority is nominating someone who will do what they're told, play by the old rules, take care of the donors and the corporate interests. They shafted Bernie 4 years ago, when he would have easily taken a lot of Trump voters and won. They're doing the same now, putting in a safe establishment guy rather than some of the young gun populist left wingers, the AOCs etc. When they lose, they will blame everyone but themselves.

It obviously needs to be pointed out again but Biden won a primary process of numerous candidates and comfortably won more votes than any other candidate.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the suggestion of a shy Trump vote. One thing you can say about Trumpists is that they are far from shy.

And you just made up the scenario in bold. Do you think the pollsters are going to abuse and ridicule them or something?

Do you think it's possible that you only notice the loud ones? There a lot of silent Trump voters who would never admit it in public because of the fear of retribution and racism accusations. Being accused of racism is unbelievably powerful in the Western world. It's a big weapon in the left's arsenal.

DraftDodger

namloc1980 wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the suggestion of a shy Trump vote. One thing you can say about Trumpists is that they are far from shy.

And you just made up the scenario in bold. Do you think the pollsters are going to abuse and ridicule them or something?

They are extremely shy tbh. Clinton was consistently ahead in the polls by a huge margin and lost because people won't admit to voting Trump. This will be no different

Tell me how

DraftDodger wrote: »

America is craving change. Obama promised and failed, Trump promised and hasn't. Joe Biden is not change. He represents the status quo and was an absolute disaster of a pick.

What type of change does America want though?

Obama fans wanted progressiveness. Increased healthcare, climate action, inclusivity etc
Trump fans wanted to step back. Reduced healthcare, less climate legislation, race division etc.

DraftDodger

Deleted User wrote: »

What positive change has Trump brought? He's treated the presidency as a way to engage further in his narcissism. He's stoked divisions and during one of the biggest disasters in living history, he's managed to divide the nation further and left 200k citizens to die.

None. Where did I say he has.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

It obviously needs to be pointed out again but Biden won a primary process of numerous candidates and comfortably won more votes than any other candidate.

He was the winner out of the system that they had set up. Agreed. However he's not a candidate any Democrats feel much love about, as Michael Moore said. Trump supporters will queue for 2 days to get in to hear him speak. There's nothing like the enthusiasm on the Biden side.

DraftDodger

Tell me how wrote: »

What type of change does America want though?

Obama fans wanted progressiveness. Increased healthcare, climate action, inclusivity etc
Trump fans wanted to step back. Reduced healthcare, less climate legislation, race division etc.

Honestly they don't know themselves I'd say. It doesn't matter really they just need to believe in something and Biden brings nothing to them. He's seen as just more Obama or Clinton.