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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #8552
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    titan18 wrote: »
    Tbf, based on past, the media will straight up make **** about Trump and Republicans too much like Fox do with the Democrats.

    is the story about his taxes made up?


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    #8553
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    is the story about his taxes made up?

    No idea. I'm not dismissing it or saying it's true though just cos New York Times say so though.


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    #8554
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,624 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Imagine thinking that a newspaper of record like the NY Times would just make up a story because they're out to get him. This isn't the bloody Sun you're talking about. Trump supporters and their desperate conspiracy theories make me laugh.


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    #8555
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    titan18 wrote: »
    No idea. I'm not dismissing it or saying it's true though just cos New York Times say so though.

    go read some of it and make an informed opinion. If they made it up they went to a LOT of trouble to make up some very specific information. If it was made up then trump could have easily shot the article down by disproving just one of those numbers. that he couldn't do that should tell you something.


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    #8556
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

    A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

    This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

    People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

    This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.


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    #8557
    [Deleted User]
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    titan18 wrote: »
    Tbf, based on past, the media will straight up make **** about Trump and Republicans too much like Fox do with the Democrats.

    Why not sue? The reason is discovery. He's also the only president not to divulge them which always meant it wasn't gonna look in them.


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    #8558
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

    A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

    This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

    People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

    This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.



    Sure because people in Banking are those best placed to lecture the rest of the country on what direction their moral Compass should be pointing.


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    #8559
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Sure because people in Banking are those best placed to lecture the rest of the country on what direction their moral Compass should be pointing.

    nothing to do with a moral compass. do you think that somebody in that much debt is not compromised?


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    #8560
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Sure because people in Banking are those best placed to lecture the rest of the country on what direction their moral Compass should be pointing.

    I appreciate your firm stance against financial impropriety by people like banks or Trump on moral grounds, but it's a separate issue.

    Nothing to do with morality, it's basic common sense. An IOU that big is as good as a Harvey Norman receipt, somebody in a 1.1 billion dollar hole is bought and paid for.

    Their behaviour may not even be in their own best interests, never mind yours. Nobody in a legally functioning company would want anything at all to do with somebody who poses this kind of risk, because sooner or later they always self combust.


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    #8561
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    He has gone up in my estimation (the only way was up) after finding out he only paid $750 In tax.

    Fair play to him.

    I would love to pay less tax.
    I don’t like paying tax

    You do realise that societies function because of tax to fund societal structures?? Trump being the leader of a society and paying virtually nothing in tax undermines the entire society he's supposed to be leader of.


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    #8562
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    relax carry on wrote: »
    You do realise that societies function because of tax to fund societal structures?? Trump being the leader of a society and paying virtually nothing in tax undermines the entire society he's supposed to be leader of.

    Trying to spin this as him being too clever to pay tax is a bit of a reach too. He's broke, what tax could he pay? The homeless lad with a coffee cup outside Tesco is every bit as canny a financial genius.

    Again btw, he doesn't just owe 400k, that's what's due soon. He owes closer to 1.1 billion, with a b. He is a reverse billionaire sponging. He is completely beholden to other parties, he is effectively somebody else's asset rather than an individual as such.


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    #8563
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

    A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

    This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

    People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

    This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.
    It's even detailed heavily in Line Of Duty.
    The modus operandi of the OCG is to find an officer who is in financial difficulty and then use that debt to leverage the officer in to being compromised


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    #8564
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Trying to spin this as him being too clever to pay tax is a bit of a reach too. He's broke, what tax could he pay? The homeless lad with a coffee cup outside Tesco is every bit as canny a financial genius.

    Again btw, he doesn't just owe 400k, that's what's due soon. He owes closer to 1.1 billion, with a b. He is a reverse billionaire sponging. He is completely beholden to other parties, he is effectively somebody else's asset rather than an individual as such.

    Don't be russian to conclusions and putin that on The Donald.


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    #8565
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Trying to spin this as him being too clever to pay tax is a bit of a reach too. He's broke, what tax could he pay? The homeless lad with a coffee cup outside Tesco is every bit as canny a financial genius.

    Again btw, he doesn't just owe 400k, that's what's due soon. He owes closer to 1.1 billion, with a b. He is a reverse billionaire sponging. He is completely beholden to other parties, he is effectively somebody else's asset rather than an individual as such.

    He’s so smart, he went broke to beat paying taxes.


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    #8566
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    nothing to do with a moral compass. do you think that somebody in that much debt is not compromised?

    Do you think any political candidate in the US isn’t? They are rely on donations.

    Get with the program.


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    #8567
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Do you think any political candidate in the US who relies On donations isn’t?

    Get with the program.

    once he continues to "own the libs" he can do now wrong, can he?


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    #8568
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/


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    #8569
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    I appreciate your firm stance against financial impropriety by people like banks or Trump on moral grounds, but it's a separate issue.

    Nothing to do with morality, it's basic common sense. An IOU that big is as good as a Harvey Norman receipt, somebody in a 1.1 billion dollar hole is bought and paid for.

    Their behaviour may not even be in their own best interests, never mind yours. Nobody in a legally functioning company would want anything at all to do with somebody who poses this kind of risk, because sooner or later they always self combust.



    I suppose the donations the financial sector in the US make to presidental candidates is an inconvenience to your argument?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/bankers-back-biden-trump-393297


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    #8570
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I suppose the donations the financial sector in the US make to presidental candidates is an inconvenience to your argument?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/bankers-back-biden-trump-393297

    we know who those people are. who does trump owe that 400M to? russia? china?


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    #8571
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    I have read on this forum that trump is an idiot, his supporters likewise.

    But if he wins, are the people still idiots ?
    What would that say about the atrocious candidate of biden ?


    There is something wrong when in the last 2 elections, the democrats could only have the detestable hilary, and the bumbling Biden,that says more about the democrats. Putting Biden forward was a huge mistake as he's seen as the status quo.

    A lot of the hard working people wont be impressed by the stance the democrats took with all this BLM and the protests, which could turn many people towards trump.

    Before any one thinks I am a trump supporter, I am not, I just think both candidates are abysmal for a country like USA

    I don't think Trump has even many supporters in the US tbh. People still don't get it. Voting Trump is a kick in the balls to the liberals who have nothing to offer Americans but the same old tired rhetoric that has failed them for years. Trump's family probably don't even like him never mind Trump supporters.

    All this releasing of his tax affairs and the soldiers are losers comments and any other stuff will not change the course of the election.


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    #8572
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Very interesting. Cash-For-Ballots Voter Fraud Scheme Linked to Ilhan Omar Supporters

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1310383750040219649


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    #8573
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    biko wrote: »
    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/
    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Very interesting

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1310383750040219649

    I see todays talikng point to distract from trumps taxes has been released


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    #8574
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,244 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Trump fan girls desperately trying to divert attention away from trumps taxes.
    Not happening.

    His entire image is a sham.


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    #8575
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    once he continues to "own the libs" he can do now wrong, can he?

    Where did I say that?

    O wait I didn’t.


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    #8576
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭threeball


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

    A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

    This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

    People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

    This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.

    I think there's no doubt he's in Putins pocket. Hes also a huge admirer of Putin as he did whatever it took to gain power and become the richest person in the world by repute. Trump admires that he just eliminated anything that stood in his way in order to achieve that and wants the same for himself.


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    #8577
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Where did I say that?

    O wait I didn’t.

    sure thing. weird that everything you post supports trump. but you are definitely not a trump supporter.


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    #8578
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    biko wrote: »
    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/
    "appears........Project Veritas......"

    Ah jesus come on now. Project Veritas are an absolute jokeshop


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    #8579
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭threeball


    relax carry on wrote: »
    You do realise that societies function because of tax to fund societal structures?? Trump being the leader of a society and paying virtually nothing in tax undermines the entire society he's supposed to be leader of.

    This is the absolute spoofer who insisted on American companies returning to the US and paying their fair share of tax.


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    #8580
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we know who those people are. who does trump owe that 400M to? russia? china?

    He may well but that not the issue, financial impropriety doesn’t just exist on one side, it exists in the entire system.

    Let’s not be pretending that this is an election of opposites, it’s not good versus evil, it’s not right versus wrong as much as some will see it that way yourself included.

    It’s two terrible candidates that are being presented in a corrupt system for election by an electorate that is being divided more and more every day with no realisation of the issues that have in common.


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    #8581
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    He may well but that not the issue, financial impropriety doesn’t just exist on one side, it exists in the entire system.

    Let’s not be pretending that this is an election of opposites, it’s not good versus evil, it’s not right versus wrong as much as some will see it that way yourself included.

    It’s two terrible candidates that are being presented in a corrupt system for election by an electorate that is being divided more and more every day with no realisation of the issues that have in common.

    no that is the issue. we have someone running for president and there is a strong possibility he is owned by a foreign power.


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