What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

You're conflating Irish citizenship (which subject to certain conditions can automatically pass to people born outside Ireland) with Irish ethnicity. Its not the same thing at all - people can hold Irish citizenship without any Irish descent at all. Your cousins may be of Irish descent, but ethnicity is organic and is subject to change. Your cousins can identify anyway they please. If they identify primarily as being Americans, or Irish Americans, and are recognised as such and their Irish heritage is just an interesting family history lesson then clearly they wont be Irish as in the meaning of Irish people who identify as being Irish primarily. Your cousins or their descendants will eventually assimilate as Americans, whatever that means then. Irish people on the other hand will follow a different path.

This is why we don't have an ethnic Scandinavian minority in Ireland. Ethnic Scandinavians settled here, but they were assimilated into the Irish over time and stopped identifying as anything else.

But back to the original point - Ireland is the only homeland the Irish people have. Once it is recklessly gambled away through mass migration, the Irish people will have no homeland, no political expression of their people. It's difficult to reconcile advocates of mass migration desire for this outcome with any sort of positive opinion towards Irish people.

Whenever they fail to identify as being primarily Irish, or aren't recognised by others as being primarily Irish then they'll stop being Irish. The latter can happen quite a bit faster. When Irish people don't agree that an American or an Englishman with an Irish grandmother can credibly describe themselves as being Irish. They'll always have some Irish descent of course, but eventually that becomes about as important as saying someone is descended from western hunter gatherers.

You finding the prospect of mass migration denying Irish people a homeland amusing doesn't do much to convince anyone that you have positive views of the Irish people.

You might then show some concern for Irish people, but you don't seem to.

As for the 'pure bred race' bollocks. Have I not said again and again that the Irish have assimilated other peoples throughout history? Have I not stressed again and again how ethnicity is organic and changes over time? Only on the last page I mentioned the ethnic Scandinavians being assimilated by the Irish (itself a composite of Gaelic and foreign peoples/influences) and your cousins changing ethnicity to become Americans. Heal thyself.

The reality is I see ethnicity more clearly than you do. You think your cousins Irish ethnicity endures through their pure breeding alone. But equally you'd do mental gymnastics to claim that recent arrivals to Ireland without a drop of Irish descent had left their ethnic heritage behind them at the arrivals gate and were as ethnically Irish as anyone else. There isn't any principle or foundation to your view - it is just whatever is expedient and convenient to the argument you're making at the time. But again, as I pointed out to One Eyed Jack, this isn't your fault - you've absorbed the mass media narratives so of course you regurgitate them. Were the mass media offering better narratives, you would regurgitate those instead.

Jack - Lets just put it down to you not understanding that someone can consider a topic like ethnic identity to be complex and mutable while at the same time drawing some conclusions about good practise. For example, how a person might struggle to define the difference between a sea and an ocean. But they know wearing a cement life jacket while swimming in either is probably a bad idea.

Do you recognise Ebun Joseph (for example) as being a fellow Irish woman, or a Nigerian? I mean she is at least as much a Nigerian as your cousins are Irish, right?

On reflection, I think our disagreement may be based on a misunderstanding on the terminology: what "Irish" means. You think that your cousins born in a foreign country, raised in a foreign country, living in a foreign country, assimilating to the norms of a foreign country are just as Irish as you are. Maybe that is true.

Multiculturalism is the equivalent of going swimming while wearing a cement lifejacket. As I pointed out to you already, God punished and destroyed an overly proud human civilisation with diversity. Be humble, learn from God.

Advocating multiculturalism in the 21st century is the equivalent of watching hundreds, thousands of people drowning in cement life jackets and thinking - no, this time it will be different.

The amusing aspect of your reaction is that Jack claimed to be worried he would be dismissed if he revealed his views were religiously based (I don't think they are in the grand scheme of thing). I presume he didn't believe they would be dismissed by his fellow mass migration advocates. Oh well.

You claim to be religious while advocating for mass migration. I just pointed out the religious teaching to demonstrate how your views are not explained by those religious teachings. I don't see any difference between your views, and those of any random advocate of mass migration. They are not all religious, but they all consume and/or are reinforced by mass media.

The latter part of your post reinforces my disagreement that "values based" identities are so weak and why I criticise people who believe migration is okay so long as the migrants are all secular libertarians. While I think we probably do hold a lot of values in common than we realise, we likely disagree on many. We will no doubt focus on our differences. But that does not necessarily contradict us both being Irish and instinctively identifying as Irish over and beyond voting for one party or another. Ethnicity is complex, but it isn't values. It is too broad for that alone.

Oh and drop the pretence of not advocating mass migration while constantly attacking and criticising all views that question mass migration. There are countless threads on this very forum that I don't participate in because I don't have any strong opinion either way. If you are embarrassed to take a stance wholly backed by all the corporate, political and media powers that be then Christ almighty.

So why spend so much effort insisting they are Irish? They can be Americans and still your cousins. What was the difference to you that made you argue the difference with strangers that they were Irish, not Americans?