All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

aido79 · 04-03-2021 12:36am

JJayoo wrote: »

Do lizard people live longer than regular hoomans?

I think they're actually immortal..

ShatterAlan · 04-03-2021 2:32pm

robinph wrote: »

So I was bored for 5 seconds there and Googled her name. Seems that she's an osteopath who made some claims about the vaccines last June.

Quite why anyone would take the opinion of an osteopath regarding vaccine safety, or 5G mobile technology, or anything other than why it is that their knee hurts, I don't know:

https://www.bbc.com/news/53525002

Maybe consider their restaurant recommendations, but certainly nothing much else without good reason.

Edit: Seems that she was also at the Maga rally / insurrection warm up show on 6th January.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/88avy5/a-qanon-doctor-who-spoke-at-the-capitol-riots-said-the-covid-vaccine-is-a-witches-brew

Osteopaths are still doctors. They have studied anatomy and diseases and trauma for years. Your comment is like saying "What would an electronics engineer know about mathematics or physics?" because in order to get a degree in Engineering, any branch of Engineering you still have to study advanced Mathematics for 3 out of the 4 years.

ShatterAlan · 04-03-2021 2:40pm

The Nal wrote: »

Because she has "Dr" in front of her name and some people are very gullible.

This "Dr" thing is a regular tactic. No one bothers to check what they're actually a doctor of.

I think the "Dr" certainly qualifies her as more of an authority on vaccine safety than anyone on here who hasn't got a degree in medicine. The 5G thing is a different story.

robinph · 04-03-2021 2:40pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Osteopaths are still doctors. They have studied anatomy and diseases and trauma for years. Your comment is like saying "What would an electronics engineer know about mathematics or physics?" because in order to get a degree in Engineering, any branch of Engineering you still have to study advanced Mathematics for 3 out of the 4 years.

Nope, it would be like considering the opinion of your local mechanic above that of an entire F1 team when asking questions about car aerodynamics and tyres and engines when travelling at speed around a racetrack.

Because your mate Bob the mechanic said something about why the driver spun off at the last corner doesn't make it true when the entire F1 team who designed and built the car say otherwise.

Dohnjoe · 04-03-2021 2:41pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Osteopaths are still doctors. They have studied anatomy and diseases and trauma for years. Your comment is like saying "What would an electronics engineer know about mathematics or physics?" because in order to get a degree in Engineering, any branch of Engineering you still have to study advanced Mathematics for 3 out of the 4 years.

Qualified or professional individuals are not immune from having insane or nonsensical beliefs, e.g. that osteopath from the US who believes that the vaccines alter the recipients DNA (they don't) and that the vaccines would "hook us all up to an artificial intelligence interface".

Dohnjoe · 04-03-2021 2:43pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I think the "Dr" certainly qualifies her as more of an authority on vaccine safety than anyone on here who hasn't got a degree in medicine.

It doesn't. As mentioned in my previous comment, an individual can believe anything, no matter how qualified they are. Which is why we look at expert consensus.

People with extreme beliefs will seek out and gravitate towards individual experts who support their beliefs, but crucially they will ignore the consensus of all the other experts which refutes that belief. It's a type of "appeal to authority" fallacy that conspiracy theorists rely on to make illogical or faulty arguments.

And no matter how zany the belief (flat-earth, lizard people, etc) there will always be an individual expert or experts in some field who believe in it.

robinph · 04-03-2021 2:43pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I think the "Dr" certainly qualifies her as more of an authority on vaccine safety than anyone on here who hasn't got a degree in medicine. The 5G thing is a different story.

Don't think anyone is especially claiming to be experts on vaccines. We are capable of figuring out which experts opinion is likely to be more valid regarding vaccines though, and it's not the one who fixes your hurty knee.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-03-2021 2:53pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I think the "Dr" certainly qualifies her as more of an authority on vaccine safety than anyone on here who hasn't got a degree in medicine. The 5G thing is a different story.

Would she be more of an expert than Anthony Fauci?

King Mob · 04-03-2021 3:09pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I think the "Dr" certainly qualifies her as more of an authority on vaccine safety than anyone on here who hasn't got a degree in medicine. The 5G thing is a different story.

What evidence for her claims does she supply beyond "I have "Dr." in front of my name and I say so."?

What in particular convinced you that the vaccines were going to alter our DNA to allow us to be connected to an AI?

aido79 · 04-03-2021 3:34pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Osteopaths are still doctors. They have studied anatomy and diseases and trauma for years. Your comment is like saying "What would an electronics engineer know about mathematics or physics?" because in order to get a degree in Engineering, any branch of Engineering you still have to study advanced Mathematics for 3 out of the 4 years.

To use your engineering analogy. Would you expect a mechanical engineer to know everything about 5G just because they've studied engineering?
You do realise that just because someone has studied one area of medicine and may even be classed as a world renowned expert in that particular area it doesn't mean they know everything about health and medicine?

If I ever get covid19 in my knee I'll take the advice of an oesteopath. Until then I'll stick with the opinions of people who understand respiratory diseases and methods of treating them.

The Nal · 04-03-2021 4:12pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I think the "Dr" certainly qualifies her as more of an authority on vaccine safety than anyone on here who hasn't got a degree in medicine.

Why?

Would you let a dentist operate on your brain?

robinph · 04-03-2021 4:41pm

The Nal wrote: »

Why?

Would you let a dentist operate on your brain?

Would you let a brain surgeon pull out a tooth?

aido79 · 04-03-2021 6:17pm

The Nal wrote: »

Why?

Would you let a dentist operate on your brain?

Probably depends on how convincing he is on his YouTube or Bitchute channel rather than his actual qualifications. Is that not how it works around here?

King Mob · 05-03-2021 12:02am

aido79 wrote: »

Probably depends on how convincing he is on his YouTube or Bitchute channel rather than his actual qualifications. Is that not how it works around here?

Well if he got banned off YouTube it must be because the evil dentist cabal is trying to silence him. And if they're trying to silence him, he must be on to something.

Dohnjoe · 05-03-2021 12:14am

King Mob wrote: »

Well if he got banned off YouTube it must be because the evil dentist cabal is trying to silence him. And if they're trying to silence him, he must be on to something.

In films the maverick scientist always seems to be right, so I am guessing that's the logic being employed in here

aido79 · 05-03-2021 12:18am

King Mob wrote: »

Well if he got banned off YouTube it must be because the evil dentist cabal is trying to silence him. And if they're trying to silence him, he must be on to something.

Might be something to do with him discovering that toothpaste doesn't protect against tooth decay and actually encourages the spread of it. It's just a way for big toothpaste companies to make money. Mainstream advertising of toothpaste especially on Rte spreads the fear that without toothpaste people will lose all of their teeth.

King Mob · 05-03-2021 12:33am

aido79 wrote: »

Might be something to do with him discovering that toothpaste doesn't protect against tooth decay and actually encourages the spread of it. It's just a way for big toothpaste companies to make money. Mainstream advertising of toothpaste especially on Rte spreads the fear that without toothpaste people will lose all of their teeth.

Nah it's cause he's stumbled into the sinister plot by communists to steal our precious bodily fluids using fluoride.

johnmck · 07-03-2021 11:40pm

King Mob wrote: »

What evidence for her claims does she supply beyond "I have "Dr." in front of my name and I say so."?

What in particular convinced you that the vaccines were going to alter our DNA to allow us to be connected to an AI?

Bill Gates is the most qualified doctor on this planet, he knows everything about vaccines. A real hero... Oh wait he has no medical qualifications, what am I talking about

King Mob · 07-03-2021 11:44pm

johnmck wrote: »

Bill Gates is the most qualified doctor on this planet, he knows everything about vaccines. A real hero... Oh wait he has no medical qualifications, what am I talking about

Who's claimed that he is a doctor or had qualifications?

What's the point you're trying to make?

Dohnjoe · 08-03-2021 12:26am

johnmck wrote: »

Bill Gates is the most qualified doctor on this planet, he knows everything about vaccines. A real hero... Oh wait he has no medical qualifications, what am I talking about

An individual doesn't need direct qualifications to talk on a subject when they are (re)producing or echoing factual information from experts.

Hilarious how the conspiracy community suddenly has it in for Bill Gates, wonder who'll be the bad guy next year when they bore of him.

GT89 · 08-03-2021 12:59am

There was an economic reset after ww2 whats to say one cannot happen again?

PintOfView · 08-03-2021 1:32am

johnmck wrote: »

Bill Gates is the most qualified doctor on this planet, he knows everything about vaccines. A real hero... Oh wait he has no medical qualifications, what am I talking about

Yes, what are you talking about?

Do you know anything about Bill Gates?
Do you know anything about vaccines?

If you do know anything about either can you give us a quick summary, that we can fact check?

PintOfView · 08-03-2021 1:40am

GT89 wrote: »

There was an economic reset after ww2 whats to say one cannot happen again?

Was one needed after ww2?
Was it brought about by a secret elite?
or by the leaders of a lot of countries getting together to see what was best for the world at the time?

Do we need an economic reset now?
Give reasons!

GT89 · 08-03-2021 1:59am

PintOfView wrote: »

Was one needed after ww2?
Was it brought about by a secret elite?
or by the leaders of a lot of countries getting together to see what was best for the world at the time?

Do we need an economic reset now?
Give reasons!

The great reset is real and is actually happening ever heard the phrase build back better? This is not a conspiracy theory and it has been openly admitted by the World Economic Forum. It is not being done by a secret elite it's being done openly by banks.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

They are creating an artificial need for a great reset though the so called pandemic.

Dohnjoe · 08-03-2021 2:04am

GT89 wrote: »

There was an economic reset after ww2 whats to say one cannot happen again?

The pandemic is having a certain type of economic impact, we know what it is, and we're naturally making an effort to take advantage of it as much as is possible whilst mitigating the negative effects as much as possible.

Conspiracy theorists think Covid is a ruse so that Satan/Bill Gates/NWO can take over the world to install Fascism/Communism

Notice the slight difference? What actually happens in the world vs what happens inside the minds of conspiracy theorists are two very, very different things.

King Mob · 08-03-2021 2:07am

GT89 wrote: »

The great reset is real and is actually happening

Ok, if it's real, why have you guys not been able to explain the question we keep asking?
Why do you keep ignoring and avoiding it?

By doing so you're making it look like the great Reset isn't real and you guys are just talking out of your arses.

GT89 wrote: »

They are creating an artificial need for a great reset though the so called pandemic.

So the great Reset is real but the pandemic is not.
That's a very silly assertion.

Dohnjoe · 08-03-2021 2:08am

GT89 wrote: »

The great reset is real and is actually happening ever heard the phrase build back better?

It's an economic forum, we have one every year. This year there's a pandemic, so the discussion surrounds that.

Paranoid individuals see phrases like "Reset", "4th industrial revolution", etc and imagine paranoid delusional things. They go online to validate these thoughts with other paranoid people. None of the stuff they imagine happens. They get bored of it, then latch onto the next "big" thing and repeat the cycle. Rinse, repeat.

GT89 · 08-03-2021 2:46am

King Mob wrote: »

.So the great Reset is real but the pandemic is not.
That's a very silly assertion.

Believe me if there was a pandemic going on we would have lost count of the amount of deaths that happened. Of course when things go back to normal it will be look at us aren't we great we stopped all these deaths from happening and our vaccine saved the day. That's what future generations will be taught about the 2020/21 pandemic.

King Mob · 08-03-2021 3:43am

GT89 wrote: »

Believe me if there was a pandemic going on we would have lost count of the amount of deaths that happened. Of course when things go back to normal it will look at us aren't we great we stopped all these deaths from happening and our vaccine saved the day. That's what future generations will be taught about the 2020/21 pandemic.

Abject baseless nonsense that you are hiding behind to yet again avoid a very simple point and question.
This is dishonest and shows your position for that it is.

Why are you dodging the question?
Why do you think this dodging is making you anything other than dishonest?

robinph · 08-03-2021 7:56am

Tell us more about the previous reset after WW2.

Who was directing it? At what point did they take over all world governments? Did they fake the whole war thing too in order to bring about the cover for the reset? Were all sides in on the plan before or after they started blowing each other up? If WW2 was just cover for economic changes then surely WW1 was also part of the plan as well as they were all part of the same thing. Was the same person directing things all along?

runawaybishop · 08-03-2021 9:01am

GT89 wrote: »

Believe me if there was a pandemic going on we would have lost count of the amount of deaths that happened. Of course when things go back to normal it will look at us aren't we great we stopped all these deaths from happening and our vaccine saved the day. That's what future generations will be taught about the 2020/21 pandemic.

Where is your proof?

King Mob · 08-03-2021 9:08am

robinph wrote: »

Tell us more about the previous reset after WW2.

Who was directing it? At what point did they take over all world governments? Did they fake the whole war thing too in order to bring about the cover for the reset? Were all sides in on the plan before or after they started blowing each other up? If WW2 was just cover for economic changes then surely WW1 was also part of the plan as well as they were all part of the same thing. Was the same person directing things all along?

Secretive cabal in charge of finance who were actually behind WW1...
Gosh that conspiracy theory sounds awful familiar...

I wonder who might be accused of being this secretive cabal...

arccosh · 08-03-2021 9:10am

GT89 wrote: »

Believe me if there was a pandemic going on we would have lost count of the amount of deaths that happened. Of course when things go back to normal it will look at us aren't we great we stopped all these deaths from happening and our vaccine saved the day. That's what future generations will be taught about the 2020/21 pandemic.

I'd rather not believe you on anything given the amount of crap you come out with...

PintOfView · 08-03-2021 10:13am

GT89 wrote: »

Believe me if there was a pandemic going on we would have lost count of the amount of deaths that happened. Of course when things go back to normal it will be look at us aren't we great we stopped all these deaths from happening and our vaccine saved the day. That's what future generations will be taught about the 2020/21 pandemic.

So are you saying that if there was a pandemic, lockdowns and social distancing wouldn't have worked,
and the same number of people would have died anyway?

What should we do to minimise deaths if we ever have a real pandemic?

arccosh · 08-03-2021 10:19am

PintOfView wrote: »

So are you saying that if there was a pandemic, lockdowns and social distancing wouldn't have worked,
and the same number of people would have died anyway?

What should we do to minimise deaths if we ever have a real pandemic?

that's exactly what GT89's saying

No point in trying to reason with them with logic or facts

minimise deaths? can't be done, it'll kill the amount it pleases no matter what rules or vaccines are in place....

extra vigilance with basic hygiene, nahh, they fly by the seat of their pants eating chicken wings after taking a dump and not washing their hands after that tough paper breaking wipe they had to endure (albeit, probably one way of building up the immune system)

GT89 · 10-03-2021 12:43am

PintOfView wrote: »

So are you saying that if there was a pandemic, lockdowns and social distancing wouldn't have worked,
and the same number of people would have died anyway?

What should we do to minimise deaths if we ever have a real pandemic?

Yes social distancing, lockdowns and masks would not stop a highly contagious deadly virus. Remember the videos of Wuhan from January 2020 where people were dropping dead in the street that is what should be happening in a severe pandemic. Do you really think government ministers would be going to golfing tournaments or RTE throwing a retirement bash during a deadly plague?

The truth is there is very little we could do in the case of a real pandemic. Other than preventing it happening in the first place thankfully the chances of it happening are relatively slim.

runawaybishop · 10-03-2021 12:48am

GT89 wrote: »

Yes social distancing, lockdowns and masks would not stop a highly contagious deadly virus.

Why not?

Also,
Fully vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says

So this supposedly permanent restriction turns out to not be permanent. Quelle surprise.

GT89 · 10-03-2021 12:50am

runawaybishop wrote: »

Why not?

Also,
Fully vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says

So this supposedly permanent restriction turns out to not be permanent. Quelle surprise.

Covid 19 is not a severe virus. I find it funny that the CDC are telling people they can meet without masks when I have been meeting my friends for the last 9 months without masks

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-03-2021 12:52am

GT89 wrote: »

Covid 19 is not a severe virus. I find it funny that the CDC are telling people they can meet without masks when I have been meeting my friends for the last 9 months without masks

The families of over two million people would disagree with you.

I wont comment further on your total disregard for other peoples safety.

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2021 12:52am

GT89 wrote: »

Yes social distancing, lockdowns and masks would not stop a highly contagious deadly virus.

How does this virus spread? If via airborne and droplets, then why wouldn't masks, social distancing and lockdowns not reduce the spread?

GT89 · 10-03-2021 12:54am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The families of over two million people would disagree with you.

How many died of covid not with covid? Do you have that figure?

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2021 12:54am

GT89 wrote: »

Covid 19 is not a severe virus.

It's killed 2+ million people, and that's with worldwide lockdown measures. Without those measures, it certainly would have killed many more, and if health systems would have been overwhelmed that isn't worth thinking about how many would have died from not just the virus, but being unable to receive medical help for anything else

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-03-2021 12:55am

GT89 wrote: »

How many died of covid not with covid? Do you have that figure?

Ah would ya ever go away with this tired silly argument.

GT89 · 10-03-2021 12:57am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

How does this virus spread? If via airborne and droplets, then why wouldn't masks, social distancing and lockdowns not reduce the spread?

Same as the flu no masks for the flu. Did you only realise in mid 2020 that masks were effective at stopping airborne viruses if not could you please tell why were you not campaigning for masks to prevent flu?

runawaybishop · 10-03-2021 12:59am

GT89 wrote: »

Covid 19 is not a severe virus. I find it funny that the CDC are telling people they can meet without masks when I have been meeting my friends for the last 9 months without masks

You haven't answered the question. Please answer at least one question in this entire thread.

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2021 1:01am

GT89 wrote: »

Same as the flu no masks for the flu. Did you only realise in mid 2020 that masks were effective at stopping airborne viruses if not could you please tell why were you not campaigning for masks to prevent flu?

Because it wasn't feasible for the entire world to suddenly start wearing masks for an illness that has been around for centuries, that we have built up resistances for, that have vaccines for and wasn't threatening to overwhelm health systems.

Covid on the other hand was a new disease which we knew little about, was highly infectious, was more deadly than season flu, we didn't have a vaccine and was (and still is) threatening to overwhelm national health systems.

GT89 · 10-03-2021 1:04am

runawaybishop wrote: »

You haven't answered the question. Please answer at least one question in this entire thread.

Covid is transmitted in the same way as flu. No masks for flu masks for covid. Masks for covid not nessecary in April, May or June 2020, masks suddenly nessecary from August 2020.

runawaybishop · 10-03-2021 1:05am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Because it wasn't feasible for the entire world to suddenly start wearing masks for an illness that has been around for centuries, that we have built up resistances for, that have vaccines for and wasn't threatening to overwhelm health systems.

Covid on the other hand was a new disease which we knew little about, was highly infectious, was more deadly than season flu, we didn't have a vaccine and was (and still is) threatening to overwhelm national health systems.

As posted a few minutes ago, CDC drops mask requirements for vaccinated people. But to some posters they can't seem to link vaccinations with restrictions. It's hardly rocket science, if they spent more time thinking and less avoiding answering simple questions then this forum would be empty.

runawaybishop · 10-03-2021 1:05am

GT89 wrote: »

Covid is transmitted in the same way as flu. No masks for flu masks for covid. Masks for covid not nessecary in April, May or June 2020, masks suddenly nessecary from August 2020.

That's not an answer to the question you were asked. Stop dodging. It's embarrassing.

GT89 · 10-03-2021 1:08am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Because it wasn't feasible for the entire world to suddenly start wearing masks for an illness that has been around for centuries, that we have built up resistances for, that have vaccines for and wasn't threatening to overwhelm health systems.

Covid on the other hand was a new disease which we knew little about, was highly infectious, was more deadly than season flu, we didn't have a vaccine and was (and still is) threatening to overwhelm national health systems.

And if covid was allowed spread we would have built up immunity to that too. If it wasn't feasible to make everyone wear masks for flu then why is it feasible for covid?

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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