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    #6212
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Progress so far

    Right job, fairplay to ye hope it'll make a big improvement for ye. There is only so much adding on and messing you can do with old sheds as well at times


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    #6213
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    Base price wrote: »
    @ Keepgrowing, do you mind me asking what type of whisk you are using and how long is it. We will have to replace our old Abbey as someone borrowed it last year and damaged the gearbox. I wondering how much a new/second hand one will be.

    It’s a Joskin 7m long with 1’ propeller blades. Cost €5000 about 6 years ago. This one is very power hungry.


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    #6214
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Progress so far

    Super looking job.


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    #6215
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    I thought I'd throw up a few points that came up in a presentation by a vet during the week.

    Abomasal ulcers are getting to be a concern in calves here with a big increase in them showing up in dairy bred calves in the last few years that is being linked with increased use of AOD feeding.

    ZST tests on immunity levels in calves showed dairy calves have good levels overall but still have room for improvement. No difference found between male and female calves either despite what anecdotal evidence would say.

    Suckler calves would have poorer levels possibly because of lack of active feeding and timing of colostrum feeding.

    Dairy bred calves would have more scour cases needing antibiotic treatment and mostly in the first month of life.

    Suckler calves would have more pneumonia cases needing antibiotic treatment and mostly in the second month of life.

    There may be a case for saying blackleg vaccination can reduce bloat issues in calves.

    The age limit for castration in calves is 6 months. After that, a local anesthetic is needed and a vet to do the job. Studies have shown no need for anesthetic before 6 months.


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    #6216
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    I thought I'd throw up a few points that came up in a presentation by a vet during the week.

    Abomasal ulcers are getting to be a concern in calves here with a big increase in them showing up in dairy bred calves in the last few years that is being linked with increased use of OAD feeding.

    ZST tests on immunity levels in calves showed dairy calves have good levels overall but still have room for improvement. No difference found between male and female calves either despite what anecdotal evidence would say.

    Suckler calves would have poorer levels possibly because of lack of active feeding and timing of colostrum feeding.

    Dairy bred calves would have more scour cases needing antibiotic treatment and mostly in the first month of life.

    Suckler calves would have more pneumonia cases needing antibiotic treatment and mostly in the second month of life.

    There may be a case for saying blackleg vaccination can reduce bloat issues in calves.

    The age limit for castration in calves is 6 months. After that, a local anesthetic is needed and a vet to do the job. Studies have shown no need for anesthetic before 6 months.

    What is AOD feeding ?


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    #6217
    Base price
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    What is AOD feeding ?
    I presume it's a misprint and should be OAD.


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    #6218
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    What is AOD feeding ?

    As BP said, once a day.


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    #6219
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,164 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    I thought I'd throw up a few points that came up in a presentation by a vet during the week.

    Abomasal ulcers are getting to be a concern in calves here with a big increase in them showing up in dairy bred calves in the last few years that is being linked with increased use of AOD feeding.

    ZST tests on immunity levels in calves showed dairy calves have good levels overall but still have room for improvement. No difference found between male and female calves either despite what anecdotal evidence would say.

    Suckler calves would have poorer levels possibly because of lack of active feeding and timing of colostrum feeding.

    Dairy bred calves would have more scour cases needing antibiotic treatment and mostly in the first month of life.

    Suckler calves would have more pneumonia cases needing antibiotic treatment and mostly in the second month of life.

    There may be a case for saying blackleg vaccination can reduce bloat issues in calves.

    The age limit for castration in calves is 6 months. After that, a local anesthetic is needed and a vet to do the job. Studies have shown no need for anesthetic before 6 months.
    Re abomasal ulcers was there any reference to the age that the calves went on OAD.


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    #6220
    Keep Sluicing
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Keep Sluicing


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    IAS

    Lucky here as weather not really a factor unless it becomes monsoon. Will be injected in

    Why injection? I know you're not injecting constantly but it seems be overkill conpared to trailing shoe

    Talking to my bosses in Germany last year and they mentioned problems related to soil structure on land that was constantly injected with slurry.


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    #6221
    Reggie.
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    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Why injection? I know you're not injecting constantly but it seems be overkill conpared to trailing shoe

    Talking to my bosses in Germany last year and they mentioned problems related to soil structure on land that was constantly injected with slurry.

    What sort of issues?


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    #6222
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Base price wrote: »
    Re abomasal ulcers was there any reference to the age that the calves went on OAD.

    No mention, she was just highlighting a few concerns showing up from post mortems in the last while where it was a rarity to becoming more common recently.

    She made a few points like the above after a presentation about antimicrobial resistance. She also mentioned the need for better calf housing to keep pace with expansion and the need to prepare early for a scenario where male calves would be left on dairy farms for longer than the usual 3 to 4 weeks.


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    #6223
    Keep Sluicing
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    What sort of issues?

    The constant discing/slitting of pasture (affected only non tilled ground) caused issues with the structure of the soil.

    Dont know the details but I'll find out during from them the week.


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    #6224
    Birdnuts
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    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    The constant discing/slitting of pasture (affected only non tilled ground) caused issues with the structure of the soil.

    Dont know the details but I'll find out during from them the week.

    Interesting - one of the top Dairy operations in North Kildare(Cocomans) rarely if ever conduct the likes of reseeding nowadays for those very reasons. Its just down the road from my parents place and both land and cows look top class


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    #6225
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Why injection? I know you're not injecting constantly but it seems be overkill conpared to trailing shoe

    Talking to my bosses in Germany last year and they mentioned problems related to soil structure on land that was constantly injected with slurry.

    I know a tillage farm that’s now over 20yrs at zero soil disturbance and they stopped discing in the duck slurry. It’s causing a build up of a layer of ‘muck’ that’s affecting soil structure.


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    #6226
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    What do ye all do for checking cows, scanning or milk pregnancy test?


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    #6227
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Scanning
    The milk pregnancy test has to be done 6 or 8 weeks after bulling and they could lose such an early pregnancy
    So I scan twice
    2nd time is scanning the empty's about 3 months after the Bull is gone


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    #6228
    Castlekeeper
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    Scan once about 5-6 weeks after the bull is out.


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    #6229
    Castlekeeper
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    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    Keep Sluicing wrote: »
    Why injection? I know you're not injecting constantly but it seems be overkill conpared to trailing shoe

    Talking to my bosses in Germany last year and they mentioned problems related to soil structure on land that was constantly injected with slurry.

    I know a tillage farm that’s now over 20yrs at zero soil disturbance and they stopped discing in the duck slurry. It’s causing a build up of a layer of ‘muck’ that’s affecting soil structure.
    Too much of anything is bad?


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    #6230
    Panch18
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    kevthegaff wrote: »
    What do ye all do for checking cows, scanning or milk pregnancy test?

    We gave up scanning, too much hassle and we usually kill them anyway so no real gain for us

    we'd have a good idea anyway of which ones aren't in calf


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    #6231
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    What do ye all do for checking cows, scanning or milk pregnancy test?

    Scanning about 4 weeks after bull is out


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    #6232
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Panch18 wrote: »
    kevthegaff wrote: »
    What do ye all do for checking cows, scanning or milk pregnancy test?

    We gave up scanning, too much hassle and we usually kill them anyway so no real gain for us

    we'd have a good idea anyway of which ones aren't in calf
    I milk tested last year was happy enough and no disturbing stock, but it's not 100%accurate


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    #6233
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    What do ye all do for checking cows, scanning or milk pregnancy test?

    Scan in mid September normally. Any showing up empty then, we scan again in November just to declare a pregnancy if there's a calf there when selling.


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    #6234
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Scan in mid September normally. Any showing up empty then, we scan again in November just to declare a pregnancy if there's a calf there when selling.

    would ye always declare in the mart?


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    #6235
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    would ye always declare in the mart?

    If selling culls would declare empty in the mart once scanned. Sold a young cow who would have made less if I hadn't, lad bought her to put her incalf. I was scratching my head but each to their own...


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    #6236
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    would ye always declare in the mart?

    I'd always say probably in calf 6 weeks or probably not in calf. I had a saga after selling a cow as incalf a good while back when the buyer came back to me a year later through the mart saying the cow wasn't calf and wanting a refund and money for keeping the cow.

    Too much hassle to definitely declare pregnant or not so just declare probably so they can check for themselves and leaves me off the hook in case they are or not.

    I would sell a few in the yard as well to a guy that wants them incalf so the few not incalf can go to the mart.


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    #6237
    Albert Johnson
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,874 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Scan in mid September normally. Any showing up empty then, we scan again in November just to declare a pregnancy if there's a calf there when selling.

    would ye always declare in the mart?

    Announcing cows as "running with a bull" is what I see most lads doing locally if they've any doubts about possible pregnancies. It's almost always poorer type cows that are announced as the more forward types would usually be slaughtered before any pregnancy would become apparent.

    A local man used to show a bundle of springers annually, usually in December as they came off rented land. They'd be advertised as maybe 40 first calver's but there'd always be a few cows mixed through them. He was never to particular about bulls or scanning so all was announced as "running with a half bred bull, no guarantee and no come back". This particular year had bad weather all back end and the cattle were poorer than normal. As the sale wore on the quality decreased, the last cow into the ring was old and wore out prompting the auctioneer to announce her as "walking with the bull" as he reckoned she was to shook to run.


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    #6238
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I have concrete rubble here from breaking up a bit of a yard, could I use it to fill up the cubicle beds instead of buying stone before concreting?
    Would it end up cracking in time?


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    #6239
    Injuryprone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    I have concrete rubble here from breaking up a bit of a yard, could I use it to fill up the cubicle beds instead of buying stone before concreting?
    Would it end up cracking in time?

    It should do the finest. So long as there's no muck or earth mixed through. I would top it off with 804 and whack it


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    #6240
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    I have 9 acres drained here I was planning to reseed, but with contractors busy at silage late on and me elsewhere missed the chance last week. Was thinking of sowing a catch crop to help condition the soil and sow the grass next spring instead. Has anyone done it or is it a pointless exercise this late in the year? Wouldn't be worried about a grazeable crop as it's near a stream, more one to plough in next spring


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    #6241
    Say my name
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    Mooooo wrote: »
    I have 9 acres drained here I was planning to reseed, but with contractors busy at silage late on and me elsewhere missed the chance last week. Was thinking of sowing a catch crop to help condition the soil and sow the grass next spring instead. Has anyone done it or is it a pointless exercise this late in the year? Wouldn't be worried about a grazeable crop as it's near a stream, more one to plough in next spring

    This thread might be of interest.
    http://www.forum4farming.com/forum/index.php?threads/cover-crops-3-0.16491/

    Tillage farmers around these parts seem to be getting on well with something called a 7 way magic mix. It's putting carbon in the soil. So the soil is darker next year and easier worked and holds nitrogen better.
    Not exactly sure where the seed is coming from?


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