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Buford T. Justice XIX

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Buford T. Justice

simx

Off silage fully 9 days today and milk results coming in for all grass and meal diet jumped from 3.37 to 3.52 on one collection bf went back from 4.22 to 4.1 and litres Came up a touch hopefully pr will keep this upward trend

yosemitesam1

Inhibitors[\quote]

Cut artificial n is what I was thinking,it's responsible for about 30% of dairy emissions and is the only non essential bit

blackdog1

simx wrote:

Off silage fully 9 days today and milk results coming in for all grass and meal diet jumped from 3.37 to 3.52 on one collection bf went back from 4.22 to 4.1 and litres Came up a touch hopefully pr will keep this upward trend

I'm still feeding 9kg of meal and 25kg of silage with good quality grass in the diet. Cows doing 3.65p and 4 fat so you can produce solids on silage but it's bloody expensive!

whelan2

blackdog1 wrote: »

I'm still feeding 9kg of meal and 25kg of silage with good quality grass in the diet. Cows doing 3.65p and 4 fat so you can produce solids on silage but it's bloody expensive!

What's your grass like?

mahoney_j

blackdog1 wrote: »

I'm still feeding 9kg of meal and 25kg of silage with good quality grass in the diet. Cows doing 3.65p and 4 fat so you can produce solids on silage but it's bloody expensive!

Fully agree 4 kg dm silage plus 3 kg maize/distillers/hulls mix going in here still and well as 5 in parlour 26.3 Ltrs 4.27 fat 3.63 p .expensive yes but trying to build decent bank of grass before handbrake releases

cosatron

On heavy ground here in Galway cows are on good grass that we pre-mowed as it was heavy and they are doing 23lt 4 fat 3.43 p on 3kg of dan O'Connor breedermax. we dodged some serious bullets with the drought, thank god.

jaymla627

Worrying to see the extended credit scheme from glanbia is after having to be extended to 30 million due to it being over-subscribed....

Gawddawggonnit

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Inhibitors[\quote]

Cut artificial n is what I was thinking,it's responsible for about 30% of dairy emissions and is the only non essential bit

Ah no Sam, you can’t be talking like that!! Crazy talk.

I see that to draw down the tillage/dairy forage aid you HAVE to spread fertilizer.
Jesus wept.

The whole idea of forage/cover crops is to reduce or even eliminate fertilizer application...I’m honestly dumbfounded.

freedominacup

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fully agree 4 kg dm silage plus 3 kg maize/distillers/hulls mix going in here still and well as 5 in parlour 26.3 Ltrs 4.27 fat 3.63 p .expensive yes but trying to build decent bank of grass before handbrake releases

We rarely get to build this famous wedge/bank of grass for the autumn. Gr is never there to do it. The odd time we do the performance is never there. Save your silage. Move to a 30 day rotation and as you get into late Sept fill the performance gap with that good quality silage you seem to have. You'll have more milk and solids from it.

mahoney_j

freedominacup wrote: »

We rarely get to build this famous wedge/bank of grass for the autumn. Gr is never there to do it. The odd time we do the performance is never there. Save your silage. Move to a 30 day rotation and as you get into late Sept fill the performance gap with that good quality silage you seem to have. You'll have more milk and solids from it.

Was at 160 kg grass dm per cow last Saturday once I’m over 200 I’ll drop out buffer over few days .building and grazing covers once not too high never an issue in back end here .ill be hopeing to make it to mid October before having to buffer again .cows in great Knick and still pumping out very good solids and litres despite until this week ****e grass it came at a cost but def feel going hard with a buffer and hiring in feeder has paid off

awaywithyou

mahoney_j wrote: »

Was at 160 kg grass dm per cow last Saturday once I’m over 200 I’ll drop out buffer over few days .building and grazing covers once not too high never an issue in back end here .ill be hopeing to make it to mid October before having to buffer again .cows in great Knick and still pumping out very good solids and litres despite until this week ****e grass it came at a cost but def feel going hard with a buffer and hiring in feeder has paid off

Am I seeing things or are u appreciating the value of a diet feeder....?

mahoney_j

awaywithyou wrote: »

Am I seeing things or are u appreciating the value of a diet feeder....?

Fully appreciate its value and use !!!,I’ll be honest after last few weeks I’d love one but that’ll mean another tractor or loader and a feeder,can I justify one is a question I’m now asking myself

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

Worrying to see the extended credit scheme from glanbia is after having to be extended to 30 million due to it being over-subscribed....

This announcement has made my hair stand on end. It resonates United Fruit Co...
(Funny how there’s only allowance for tillage farmers that grow fodder under the ‘scheme’!:))

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/companies/glanbia-coop-to-allow-beef-and-sheep-farmer-members-access-to-credit-scheme-37214577.html

Gawddawggonnit

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fully appreciate its value and use !!!,I’ll be honest after last few weeks I’d love one but that’ll mean another tractor or loader and a feeder,can I justify one is a question I’m now asking myself

It’d be crazy to have a wagon and parlor feeders at the same time...what would the poor merchants do?

blackdog1

What are boys paying for straights at the moment?

Maize meal making 225 plus a tonne and crushed barley 235. Feel free to post prices. Is love a few comparisons. Dawg you can shag off... I don't want to see any French prices they'd just depress me...

yewtree

jaymla627 wrote: »

Worrying to see the extended credit scheme from glanbia is after having to be extended to 30 million due to it being over-subscribed....

How many suppliers does Glanbia have? 30 million sounds like a lot but divided across a huge supplier base it wouldn't amount to much more than 6-7k/ supplier. Considering how badly affected their supply region was it hardly surprising.
There are always exceptions but the debt levels on irish dairy farm are low

Mooooo

In fairness the teagasc grass weekly update is advising to budget and keep supplementing if necessary

visatorro

blackdog1 wrote:

What are boys paying for straights at the moment?

210/ tonne soya hulls. Same for beet pulp. Have to take an artic. Glanbia.

Mooooo

blackdog1 wrote: »

What are boys paying for straights at the moment?

Maize meal making 225 plus a tonne and crushed barley 235. Feel free to post prices. Is love a few comparisons. Dawg you can shag off... I don't want to see any French prices they'd just depress me...

Should be finished any silage come the 1st week of sep so will see what we'll be feeding after scanning and that and will price up then I guess.

Base price

blackdog1 wrote: »

What are boys paying for straights at the moment?

Maize meal making 225 plus a tonne and crushed barley 235. Feel free to post prices. Is love a few comparisons. Dawg you can shag off... I don't want to see any French prices they'd just depress me...

We were paying €185 for rolled barley, €180 for oats, €210 for maize meal, €200 for citrus meal and €220 for beet pulp nuts up until yesterday. I was told by merchant that prices were going up next week and rolled barley would be €220, maize meal €230 and beet pulp nuts €240 that is collected prices.

Timmaay

visatorro wrote: »

210/ tonne soya hulls. Same for beet pulp. Have to take an artic. Glanbia.

Do Glanbia still have hulls?

visatorro

Timmaay wrote:

Do Glanbia still have hulls?

That's a forthnight ago. Never asked since

dar31

visatorro wrote: »

That's a forthnight ago. Never asked since

Prices have changed since. Upwards and will move up again.
Glanbia didn't have soya hulls or beet pulp nuts the middle of last week.
They are to expensive anyhow, by €20-30/t

mahoney_j

dar31 wrote: »

Prices have changed since. Upwards and will move up again.
Glanbia didn't have soya hulls or beet pulp nuts the middle of last week.
They are to expensive anyhow, by €20-30/t

All straights bar maby maize meal are going to get scarce and expensive and we’ve very few if any alternatives available ,there is going to have to be a substantial extra amount of extra meal put into stock until next April or may

jaymla627

mahoney_j wrote: »

All straights bar maby maize meal are going to get scarce and expensive and we’ve very few if any alternatives available ,there is going to have to be a substantial extra amount of extra meal put into stock until next April or may

Took 40 acreas of second cut silage ground yesterday of the lad I rent the majority of my ground of, didn’t need it but know a few lads who will buy the bales of it, at 150 a acre that I’m paying and at 7 bales to the acre which is optimistic (light enough crop has to be off the field by end of August) I need to be getting 40 euro a bale to break-even, won’t be sold for less then 45 as need some bit of a margin for my time and effort

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

Took 40 acreas of second cut silage ground yesterday of the lad I rent the majority of my ground of, didn’t need it but know a few lads who will buy the bales of it, at 150 a acre that I’m paying and at 7 bales to the acre which is optimistic (light enough crop has to be off the field by end of August) I need to be getting 40 euro a bale to break-even, won’t be sold for less then 45 as need some bit of a margin for my time and effort

Will ya get it do you think?

yewtree

jaymla627 wrote: »

Took 40 acreas of second cut silage ground yesterday of the lad I rent the majority of my ground of, didn’t need it but know a few lads who will buy the bales of it, at 150 a acre that I’m paying and at 7 bales to the acre which is optimistic (light enough crop has to be off the field by end of August) I need to be getting 40 euro a bale to break-even, won’t be sold for less then 45 as need some bit of a margin for my time and effort

Why bother if you don't need it, surely it's just another headache looking for that kind of money. On a energy basis it's not worth 45 euro, . That feed is working out at 20 cent a kg of dm you will have to hope lads are very badly stuck to pay that

jaymla627

Reggie. wrote: »

Will ya get it do you think?

I’d reckon so, if not will buy in 40-50 continental weanlings if their cheap and carry them for the winter, should be a good twist out of them selling in April/may for the grass

farisfat

mahoney_j wrote: »

All straights bar maby maize meal are going to get scarce and expensive and we’ve very few if any alternatives available ,there is going to have to be a substantial extra amount of extra meal put into stock until next April or may

I thinks the rise in straight prices will be long term

jaymla627

yewtree wrote: »

Why bother if you don't need it, surely it's just another headache looking for that kind of money. On a energy basis it's not worth 45 euro, . That feed is working out at 20 cent a kg of dm you will have to hope lads are very badly stuck to pay that

I don’t really think you grasp the shortage of feed that already exists out their, when you see the huge amount of westerworld gone in it speaks volumes, with soya hulls up at 240 euro a ton, good quality silage has to be worth 20 cent a kg of dm....
Could be a great opertinuity to pick up cheap stock to if things really do go south

Snowfire

yewtree wrote: »

Why bother if you don't need it, surely it's just another headache looking for that kind of money. On a energy basis it's not worth 45 euro, . That feed is working out at 20 cent a kg of dm you will have to hope lads are very badly stuck to pay that

ya, was thinking the same,would you not leave it to somebody that was actually needed it, without you trying to get something out of it as well.

charolais0153

jaymla627 wrote: »

I’d reckon so, if not will buy in 40-50 continental weanlings if their cheap and carry them for the winter, should be a good twist out of them selling in April/may for the grass

Have ypu shed space for them?

jaymla627

charolais0153 wrote: »

Have ypu shed space for them?

Yeah have a shed for them, rubber slats and all so no bedding needed

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

Yeah have a shed for them, rubber slats and all so no bedding needed

I like the cut of your jib, Jay.
Exactly the way I’d work. Always a few quid to be turned...

Gawddawggonnit

Bank holiday here so no staff until Monday...and I’m away on Sunday.

Anyhow, I’d merchants on to me a few weeks back looking for thousands of tons of fodder. No problem, but then it rained and they dropped it like a hot shyte...back on again today to book thousands of tons again. Reminds me of dairy farmers buying straw...

I lack patience for bolloxing like that.

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Bank holiday here so no staff until Monday...and I’m away on Sunday.

Anyhow, I’d merchants on to me a few weeks back looking for thousands of tons of fodder. No problem, but then it rained and they dropped it like a hot shyte...back on again today to book thousands of tons again. Reminds me of dairy farmers buying straw...

I lack patience for bolloxing like that.

Non refundable deposit

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Bank holiday here so no staff until Monday...and I’m away on Sunday.

Anyhow, I’d merchants on to me a few weeks back looking for thousands of tons of fodder. No problem, but then it rained and they dropped it like a hot shyte...back on again today to book thousands of tons again. Reminds me of dairy farmers buying straw...

I lack patience for bolloxing like that.

What would transport work out at per ton landed in Ireland at a Irish yard from yours would 35 euro a ton cover it

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

Non refundable deposit

Price has risen...
Spoke to a fodder merchant there now, and it seems that the Germans, Danes and Swedes are now fishing this little pond.
I’m told that there’s nothing available in the UK.
The man I spoke to has 8ha under sheds that are full of fodder. He reckons that he’ll be sold out by mid sept.
I’ve a few wraps of Lucerne available. 23.1%pr, 61%dm and average 830kg. I’d take €100/bale ex yard.

‘The first of the soup is always the hottest’...

GrasstoMilk

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Price has risen...
Spoke to a fodder merchant there now, and it seems that the Germans, Danes and Swedes are now fishing this little pond.
I’m told that there’s nothing available in the UK.
The man I spoke to has 8ha under sheds that are full of fodder. He reckons that he’ll be sold out by mid sept.
I’ve a few wraps of Lucerne available. 23.1%pr, 61%dm and average 830kg. I’d take €100/bale ex yard.

‘The first of the soup is always the hottest’...

There was a crowd on facebook wanting 240€ a bale for bales half those weights

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

What would transport work out at per ton landed in Ireland at a Irish yard from yours would 35 euro a ton cover it

€2300-3000 for a back load depending on the transport company.
Doesn’t be long getting expensive...

Gawddawggonnit

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

There was a crowd on facebook wanting 240€ a bale for bales half those weights

I’m not greedy.
That’s what I’d get if sold here.

@ €100/bale + transport, say 40 bales/load = €175/bale. Pricey?

Icelandicseige

Did they allow GLAS scheme farmers to cut the old lay thats suppose to be left for wildlife after because of the shortage of fodder?

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I’m not greedy.
That’s what I’d get if sold here.

@ €100/bale + transport, say 40 bales/load = €175/bale. Pricey?

500kgs of dm, 35c/kg ? What way would that be fed. I assume it's ideal for mixing with maize? Is it tough on diet feeders beon?

visatorro

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

I like the cut of your jib, Jay. Exactly the way I’d work. Always a few quid to be turned...

Older generation here says you'd always want a bay empty and plenty of feed. You'd never know when there's a bargain coming

Reggie.

jaymla627 wrote: »

I’d reckon so, if not will buy in 40-50 continental weanlings if their cheap and carry them for the winter, should be a good twist out of them selling in April/may for the grass

I came acriss 16 acres of grass today myself. 4 acres nearly ready to cut. Might cut it in 2 weeks and let it up again and cut the whole lot at end of sept

jaymla627

Reggie. wrote: »

I came acriss 16 acres of grass today myself. 4 acres nearly ready to cut. Might cut it in 2 weeks and let it up again and cut the whole lot at end of sept

Was over finishing up the accounts for 17 with accountant and ended up selling 100 bales to him, hobby farmer with a few sucklers was nice to have the shoe on the other foot for once when discussing money

Mooooo

For scanning when are ye doing it.? Pulled bull 24th July, was thinking to leave scanning till mid Sept so hopefully any losses etc may have happened by then. As an aside first cold morning we've had here in months, dunno what temp it is but with the wind could have done with the jacket.

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

For scanning when are ye doing it.? Pulled bull 24th July, was thinking to leave scanning till mid Sept so hopefully any losses etc may have happened by then. As an aside first cold morning we've had here in months, dunno what temp it is but with the wind could have done with the jacket.

I was grand. Had a lie on. Last one until end of autumn calving I'd say. Have a heifer springing will calve in the next day or 2. A bit earlier than expected but the milk will be welcome. Bull came out here 1st of August and going to scan 1st of Sept

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

I was grand. Had a lie on. Last one until end of autumn calving I'd say. Have a heifer springing will calve in the next day or 2. A bit earlier than expected but the milk will be welcome. Bull came out here 1st of August and going to scan 1st of Sept

My first time having no aut calving this year. Don't actually remember a Christmas sleeping in. Will see how scanning and tb testing goes might this year!

whelan2

First autumn calver calved this morning. Set of dead fr bull twins. Not due for a couple of weeks. Big enough all the same. Had another set of twins yesterday in the sucklers. All good there.