Crimes that have stayed with you for years

Edgware · 13-08-2020 7:14pm

walshb wrote: »

Beautiful justice that.

Funny thing is, had they caught him at the time he’d likely be a free man now..

No D.N.A. at the time and a dirtbird gave him an alibi.

Edgware · 13-08-2020 7:20pm

Not sure if mentioned but the murder by Frank McCann of his wife and daughter at Butterfield Ave Rathfarnham Dublin. When you watch t.v. detective shows and say to yourself "ah thats a bit far fetched" Then just think of all the murders in Ireland over the years and the efforts the killers went to cover up.

RandomViewer · 13-08-2020 7:26pm

coinop wrote: »

The video for any curious youngsters who weren't around at the time. The mob mentality turns men into animals.

This was the funeral of Kevin Brady ,killed by Michael Stone in Milltown cemetery 3 days earlier, tensions were extremely high at the time,

enricoh · 13-08-2020 7:29pm

A German tourist was murdered near me 20 years ago, while she was making her way out to newgrange.
A local fella got done for it after his missus rang the police. the police appeal on crimeline asked did your partner have clothes go missing, was he acting strange etc etc n she copped he had - I'd say she was sleeping with one eye open that night.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/sex-beast-mickey-the-monster-8476107.amp

iamstop · 13-08-2020 7:40pm

Munstergirl854 wrote: »

I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned Marc Dutroux.

That case was so unnerving because there is a wife who turned her head and links to a wider paedophile ring going all the way to the top.

Holy sh1t! Just reading this on wiki, that runs DEEP! :eek:

smelly sock · 13-08-2020 7:42pm

The Miami Showband massacre by Biritsh forces and Loyalists. It shows exactly what Catholics faced in the North and might go some way to explaining some of their actions although i'd never defend most of them.

13-08-2020 7:53pm

smelly sock wrote: »

The Miami Showband massacre by Biritsh forces and Loyalists. It shows exactly what Catholics faced in the North and might go some way to explaining some of their actions although i'd never defend most of them.

Dunno about that. Both sides engaged in terrible acts of brutality on civilians from both sides.

How does the Miami showband explain Jean McConville and leaving those children to freeze in an empty house?

smelly sock · 13-08-2020 8:02pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Dunno about that. Both sides engaged in terrible acts of brutality on civilians from both sides.

How does the Miami showband explain Jean McConville and leaving those children to freeze in an empty house?

I'd never defend that.

juno10353 · 13-08-2020 8:05pm

Jason Corbetts murder in U.S. Wife and father in law convicted but now being given retrial

Be right back · 13-08-2020 8:21pm

juno10353 wrote: »

Jason Corbetts murder in U.S. Wife and father in law convicted but now being given retrial

That was a terrible case. I hope they lose their retrial too.

smelly sock · 13-08-2020 8:55pm

Munstergirl854 wrote: »

I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned Marc Dutroux.

That case was so unnerving because there is a wife who turned her head and links to a wider paedophile ring going all the way to the top.

IIRC the Robert Holohan case was strange in that the media never came down too hard on Wayne O'Donoghue when his identity was revealed. He was always presented as being from a "respectable family". He even gave a statement to the media when he was standing outside prison having been released which is unheard of really.
Roberts parents must have felt cheated, 3 years was nothing. You would wonder how he didnt know what he was doing in that moment and that he was obstructing the childs airway.Accidental horseplay was how it was termed.

The papers tracked him down later on...He went on to start a new life in England and changed his name to Paddy living as an architect.

Unlikely to commit a crime ever again I suppose but you would wonder in that moment was it malice or accident..

Certainly the way he went about pretending to look for Robert and even comforting the Holohans suggest some sort of twisted motive. Also the fact he tried burning the youngsters body after discarding it in a ditch was horrific.

smelly sock · 13-08-2020 9:04pm

Not sure if it was metioned but the UVF/Loyalist massace in Loughlinisland in 1994. Nationalists had gathered to watch their nation play in the 94 world cup and 6 where shot dead and many more wounded. Really put sport into perspective.

I dont think anyone in the south can really relate to what it was like to be a catholic in the north and denied the most basic of civil rights.

Bloody Sunday in Derry. The occupying forces of the british empire massacres unarmed civil rights marchers. Harrowing stuff.

NewbridgeIR · 13-08-2020 9:11pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Dunno about that. Both sides engaged in terrible acts of brutality on civilians from both sides.

How does the Miami showband explain Jean McConville and leaving those children to freeze in an empty house?

It doesn't
Miami Showband = 1975
Jean McConville = 1972

Sam Hain · 13-08-2020 9:12pm

smelly sock wrote: »

Not sure if it was metioned but the UVF/Loyalist massace in Loughlinisland in 1994. Nationalists had hathered to watch their nation play in the 94 world cup and 6 where shot dead and many more wounded. Really put sport into perspective.

I dont think anyone in the soth can really relate to what it was like to be a catholic in the north and denied the most basic of civil rights.

Bloody Sunday in Derry. The occupying forces of the british empire massacres unarmed civil rights marchers. Harrowing stuff.

I think the thread is more about crimes.

ChikiChiki · 13-08-2020 9:19pm

smelly sock wrote: »

Certainly the way he went about pretending to look for Robert and even comforting the Holohans suggest some sort of twisted motive. Also the fact he tried burning the youngsters body after discarding it in a ditch was horrific.

Similar to Aaron Brady, I wonder who these people can move on and have a normal life after committing these crimes.

freshpopcorn · 13-08-2020 9:37pm

Whilst I don't remember the actually murder I always remember the court case with Catherine Nevin when I was growing up. It was a massive case at the time and it was unusual to see a woman in court.
She always reminded me of my aunt.

smelly sock · 13-08-2020 9:48pm

Sam Hain wrote: »

I think the thread is more about crimes.

Come again?

newbie18892 · 13-08-2020 9:49pm

For me it's the murder of Jastine Valdez. Being from the area and a woman of similar age to her it really spooked me.

onh81 · 13-08-2020 9:56pm

Coming from the north there are a litany of crimes committed by all sides that are etched into the memory. There are obviously nuances as to what certain people consider a crime or “legitimate” killing (eg some people can find justification for taking someone’s life based on their being a member of particular organisations or past actions).

One that has stayed with me is, on the face of it, pretty unremarkable by Troubles standards: a teenage girl shot 6 times in the head while she slept in her Protestant boyfriend’s bed, for no other reason than being a Catholic. I remember her dad saying afterwards that she once asked him whether the IRA was Protestant or Catholic.

I think her sheer innocence was what stood out for me which contrasted against the callous nature of her brutal killing. Her killer knew her and her boyfriend, had socialised and even shared the same circle of friends. He knew where she was staying that night, knew the house would be unlocked, crept into the bedroom and murdered her in cold blood.

Just one of those ones I randomly think about from time to time.

RandomViewer · 13-08-2020 9:57pm

This from the 70s

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/donegal-couple-murdered-by-uda-not-intended-victims-say-relatives-1.410003

Way too many cases where the Gardai failed to get justice for families

RandomViewer · 13-08-2020 10:01pm

smelly sock wrote: »

Come again?

FG supporters don't recognise loyalist killings, blank them out so they get selfies with wee Jeffery at the ArdFheis

TheW1zard · 13-08-2020 11:13pm

The bodycam footage of chris watts - getting caught rapid

Hangdogroad · 13-08-2020 11:20pm

enricoh wrote: »

A German tourist was murdered near me 20 years ago, while she was making her way out to newgrange.
A local fella got done for it after his missus rang the police. the police appeal on crimeline asked did your partner have clothes go missing, was he acting strange etc etc n she copped he had - I'd say she was sleeping with one eye open that night.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/sex-beast-mickey-the-monster-8476107.amp

That guy was already convicted of killing a woman when he was in his teens, he got off with manslaughter on some ridiculous grounds.he's murdered two women and you can be sure he'll kill again if released.

gogo · 14-08-2020 2:04am

Jesus Christ... should be a warning on this thread, I was planning on writing about the time I stole my neighbours halloween sweets... the first post and my intended post just crashed between parallel universes and it hurt my brain

cj maxx · 14-08-2020 3:10am

Jeffery Dahmler , killed and ate his victims

Bonniedog · 14-08-2020 10:01am

Don't know if anyone has mentioned the Roma girl who was subjected to a horrendous death by drug dealing scum. Not even sure if anyone was done for actual murder. Some of them are now dead, thankfully.

It stuck in my mind because I knew the main culprits' family and they were scum, with exception of one of the sisters. Their mother was a nasty old count of a money lender in Oliver Bond and reared these creatures.

Muahahaha · 14-08-2020 1:57pm

onh81 wrote: »

Coming from the north there are a litany of crimes committed by all sides that are etched into the memory. There are obviously nuances as to what certain people consider a crime or “legitimate” killing (eg some people can find justification for taking someone’s life based on their being a member of particular organisations or past actions).

One that has stayed with me is, on the face of it, pretty unremarkable by Troubles standards: a teenage girl shot 6 times in the head while she slept in her Protestant boyfriend’s bed, for no other reason than being a Catholic. I remember her dad saying afterwards that she once asked him whether the IRA was Protestant or Catholic.

I think her sheer innocence was what stood out for me which contrasted against the callous nature of her brutal killing. Her killer knew her and her boyfriend, had socialised and even shared the same circle of friends. He knew where she was staying that night, knew the house would be unlocked, crept into the bedroom and murdered her in cold blood.

Just one of those ones I randomly think about from time to time.

jesus thats awful, it just goes to show the nastiness of sectarian attitudes where you can get killed for your surname or perceived religion.

Was watching that BBC doc Once Upon a Time in Iraq the other night and it was similar in Iraq, you couldnt tell the difference between a Sunni Iraqi and a Shia one except by their surname. There was Iraqi army checkpoints and insurgent checkpoints so to get through both types the citizens got a second ID card made up so they would have one with a Sunni surname and another with a Shia surname. If you pulled out the wrong ID at the wrong checkpoint you would end up killed on the spot.

There was instances of that where a Shia pulled up to a Shia checkpoint but thought it was a Sunni one and pulled out their Sunni ID card. They would be pulled out of their car and be begging for their life trying to convince their executioner that they were actually Shia with a fake Sunni card. They would get shot regardless, it was truly vicious stuff. Its hard to think that you could be killed just for your surname.

enricoh · 14-08-2020 5:30pm

Hangdogroad wrote: »

That guy was already convicted of killing a woman when he was in his teens, he got off with manslaughter on some ridiculous grounds.he's murdered two women and you can be sure he'll kill again if released.

Yup, zero remorse, zero emotions. He was just sickened he got done for it. Good luck rehabilitating him!

Edgware · 14-08-2020 5:42pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

This from the 70s

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/donegal-couple-murdered-by-uda-not-intended-victims-say-relatives-1.410003

Way too many cases where the Gardai failed to get justice for families

Pity that they have to bother about evidence.

freshpopcorn · 14-08-2020 5:47pm

Ive watched a lot of Crimewatch UK.
Some very interesting cases over there.

Robert Black was another evil fella.

RandomViewer · 14-08-2020 6:44pm

Edgware wrote: »

Pity that they have to bother about evidence.

Going by recent events and the history of Gardai in Donegal they probably destroyed it,

RandomViewer · 14-08-2020 6:46pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Ive watched a lot of Crimewatch UK.
Some very interesting cases over there.

Robert Black was another evil fella.

Killed a wee girl in Lisburn, was liinked to Mary Boyle but not in the country at the time,

RandomViewer · 14-08-2020 6:50pm

cj maxx wrote: »

Jeffery Dahmler , killed and ate his victims

Similar to Dennis Nilsen, plumber found body parts blocking a drain

Spanish Eyes · 14-08-2020 6:52pm

Grace Livingston. Malahide.

Never solved.

Spanish Eyes · 14-08-2020 6:53pm

Celine Cawley in Howth. The perp is out for years now, manslaughter verdict having killed her with a brick.

Oranage2 · 14-08-2020 6:56pm

Not a crime but watching the shooting of Daniel Shaver. The cop was found not guilty but it was a cruel way to die and you can hear the fear in Shavers voice. The cop was fired, then rehired then he retired on a full pension due to the stress the killing caused him. So crazy.

RandomViewer · 14-08-2020 8:34pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Celine Cawley in Howth. The perp is out for years now, manslaughter verdict having killed her with a brick.

Tried to claim the house ,didn't he?

heldel00 · 14-08-2020 8:52pm

The sick fúcker that lured the two little girls away from a birthday party in the Midlands and subjected them to all sorts of horror.

The bastárd that sexually assaulted the 6 week old baby in the North.

Anything involving children really affects me.

Parabellum9 · 14-08-2020 8:55pm

Dunblane - I remember my mam and dad being traumatised for a day or 2 by it and I was too young to understand what had happened. They were expecting my sister at the time (unknown to me till months later) and called her Sophie after one of the victims.

TheAnalyst_ · 14-08-2020 9:04pm

heldel00 wrote: »

The sick fúcker that lured the two little girls away from a birthday party in the Midlands and subjected them to all sorts of horror.

e.

Yeah that was very ****ed up. Sort of parents worst nightmare that you think actually never happens but it was over a very short time period.

Man Vs ManUre · 14-08-2020 9:06pm

Haven’t seen a mention here yet of Meredith Kercher. The one guy who admitted to killing her must be due for release soon enough, I think his sentence was only about 16 years. Rudy Guedes is his name.

TheAnalyst_ · 14-08-2020 9:07pm

The Russian downing of a commercial flight in 2014 was difficult. I was somewhat involved in the aftermath and I don't know, something about getting details of all the kids on board. Little toddlers away on their holidays and imaginging what happend to them and seeing their little items on the ground.

Parabellum9 · 14-08-2020 9:08pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Haven’t seen a mention here yet of Meredith Kercher. The one guy who admitted to killing her must be due for release soon enough, I think his sentence was only about 16 years. Rudy Guedes is his name.

Amanda Knox still had some part to play no matter what innocent charade she keeps up.

Man Vs ManUre · 14-08-2020 9:13pm

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The Russian downing of a commercial flight in 2014 was difficult. I was somewhat involved in the aftermath and I don't know, something about getting details of all the kids on board. Little toddlers away on their holidays and imaginging what happend to them and seeing their little items on the ground.

Remember one of the passengers posted on his Facebook a pic of the plane from the boarding gate and said something like “if this one goes missing this is what it looks like”. It was only a few months after mh370 went missing.
I often think while sitting in a plane at 35000 meters, if that type of thing happened. I think you would be alive and conscious for a few seconds before you black out. It must be the most surreal and terrifying second or 2 you could ever imagine.

TheAnalyst_ · 14-08-2020 9:16pm

Honestly I thnk you could be fully conciousfor the lot of it and maybe for a minute after impact if you're lucky/unlucky. **** knows really.

shaveAbullock · 14-08-2020 9:16pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

I often think while sitting in a plane at 35000 meters, if that type of thing happened. I think you would be alive and conscious for a few seconds before you black out. It must be the most surreal and terrifying second or 2 you could ever imagine.

It actually sounds very soothing compared to many other ways you can die and know about in advance.

walshb · 14-08-2020 9:19pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Celine Cawley in Howth. The perp is out for years now, manslaughter verdict having killed her with a brick.

But he called an ambulance...!!!

I’ll always remember that from the judge..

Called it about 30 minutes after he destroyed that woman.

Called it to have her taken away....

Scum..

Grandeeod · 14-08-2020 10:07pm

Not sure if its been mentioned since I last read the thread. But my first experience of a serious crime in Ireland was the Malcom McAthur case in 1982. I was only about 10 at the time, but it took place in areas I was familiar with and was real big news at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUBU

Who can forget GUBU and the deal done after McArthur pleaded guilty to the murder of Bridie Gargan, despite also murdering Donal Dunne in Offaly.

Irish_peppa · 15-08-2020 8:55am

walshb wrote: »

But he called an ambulance...!!!

I’ll always remember that from the judge..

Called it about 30 minutes after he destroyed that woman.

Called it to have her taken away....

Scum..

Allways wondered what happened to that fella Eamon Lilis, quick google sees that he sold the house in howth he murdered the wife in and won 50% share of their assets. Weird!
https://www.thesun.ie/news/2381348/loaded-wife-killer-eamonn-lillis-earns-tidy-profit-as-he-flogs-luxury-dublin-property-without-ever-living-in-it/
Wonder does he work and where he lives now has he changed his name and pretends he is someone else. Must check for him on Instagram :P

Frynge · 15-08-2020 9:09am

The killing of Salt in Malahide back in the late 90's.

Two donkeys called Salt and Pepper were always in the Casino just outside the village and some scumbag decided to beat Salt with an iron bar one night before driving it through their skull and killing him/her.

I think one of the guys with him actually went to the Garda Station not long ofter it happened to report it.

Violence against another human can sometimes be accounted for by provocation, retaliation or such in my mind but that kind of attack on an animal is truly sickening.

the guy who did it was really just a bad sort.

Crimes that have stayed with you for years

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