Crimes that have stayed with you for years

coinop

Channon Gail Christian, aged 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., aged 23, were from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were kidnapped on the evening of January 6, 2007, when Christian's vehicle was carjacked, and taken to a rental house, where both of them were raped, tortured, and murdered.



Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks. He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire.

Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death.

Four males and one female were arrested, charged, and convicted in the case, four of whom had multiple prior felony convictions.



What crime cases were so horrible that they have stuck in your mind years after reading about them?

byronbay2

Without doubt the Jamie Bulger murder in 1993, where a 2 year-old toddler was abducted from a Liverpool shopping centre by two 10 year-old boys, horrifically tortured and murdered. I didn't think it possible that 10 year-olds could do something so heinous!

hellsing101

The Soham murders and Ian Huntley was one that always comes to mind, the way he went on tv appealing for info on their disappearance was thoroughly ****ed.

TheValeyard

I think the Bulger case is the earliest one I remember. Absolutely horrific. Even as a young child I understood how awful it was.


One that sticks with me for some reason is the McGinley children. As a father of young kids myself, I dunno just made it more real for me. Absolutely horrific case.

Chalk McHugh

coinop wrote: »

Channon Gail Christian, aged 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., aged 23, were from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were kidnapped on the evening of January 6, 2007, when Christian's vehicle was carjacked, and taken to a rental house, where both of them were raped, tortured, and murdered.



Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks. He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire.

Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death.

Four males and one female were arrested, charged, and convicted in the case, four of whom had multiple prior felony convictions.



What crime cases were so horrible that they have stuck in your mind years after reading about them?

Thanks, that was a nice Sunday read.

Rodney Bathgate

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Thanks, that was a nice Sunday read.

Not sure what you expected having read the thread title?

Muahahaha

I think Graham Dwyers crimes will live long in the memory. Especially following the trial, day after day more shocking details came out. Just when you thought you couldnt be shocked any further it comes out that he enjoyed stabbing women while having sex with them, it was real WTF stuff.

Then the fact he had gotten away with the murder for around 18 months but cracking it all came down to a Garda getting in a lake to retrieve a bag that contained a set of keys and handcuffs. The keys had a Tesco clubcard fob on the ring which linked them back to Elaine o'Hara. The case would never have been solved without that Garda being so persistent.

Chalk McHugh

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Not sure what you expected having read the thread title?

Perhaps something a little less graphic.

coinop

byronbay2 wrote: »

Without doubt the Jamie Bulger murder in 1993

A truly horrific crime. The stories that came out of the trial would make you weep for humanity. Regarding the murderers: "Each boy sat in view of the court on raised chairs so they could see out of the dock designed for adults".

TheValeyard wrote: »

One that sticks with me for some reason is the McGinley children. As a father of young kids myself, I dunno just made it more real for me. Absolutely horrific case.

An unspeakable tragedy. Did the mother ever disclose the reason she (alledgedly?) did it? Other than the usual weak "mental health" defense.

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Thanks, that was a nice Sunday read.

Imagine trying to funny in a thread about tragic murders.

bo0li5eumx12kp

That opening post probably takes it for me.

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Previous to that it was probably that "3 guy 1 hammer" series of incidents, I think that was involving kids, which was also nausea inducing.

pc7

Riu Pedro he went missing in Portugal before Madeline McCann. His story was featured on one of the documentaries about Madeline. He has never been found, but his mother visited with Interpol and his images were found amount stuff when they cracked the Wonderland paedophile ring. His mother said some things are worse than death, I can’t even imagine her pain or what happened the little guy. I don’t think that one will leave me, never knowing where he is, but knowing he suffered like that.

Carodh

Dessie O Hare the Border Fox kidnapping DentistJohn O Grady. I was only 13 years old and It seemed to be the only news back then. The Garda did checkpoints all over the country and I remember them coming onto our bus doing a check. I used walk 30 yards in the dark to my uncles to get a lift to the bus & I was absolutely petrified as we lived in a real wooded area and even to this day I get a chill down my back if I hear his name mentioned.

hellsing101

Niko Glamorous Marriage wrote: »

That opening post probably takes it for me.

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Previous to that it was probably that "3 guy 1 hammer" series of incidents, I think that was involving kids, which was also nausea inducing.

Was that the one where they filmed it and released it online, was Russia if I remember correctly.

Joe Kane

Brendan O'Donnell murdering Fr, Joe Walsh, Imelda Riney & her little daughter over the course of a surreal 4 days will always be on my mind. I knew him fairly well from living in the same parish as him.

spurious

The Darkley Church shootings.
A particular type of filth carried that attack out.

Sarcozies

Well, that's enough internet for the day.

Zebra3

Fr Brendan Smyth.

Evil paedo scum.

Taken away to jail laughing.

Found guilty of 74 charges of child abuse and got just four years.

Died after just a month.

Protected by the Catholic Church while on the run.

Protected by the Catholic Church as far back as 1975 when they silenced some of his victims.

Needless to say that no charges were brought against those who helped him continue with his crimes.

coinop

spurious wrote: »

The Darkley Church shootings.
A particular type of filth carried that attack out.

Whoa, just reading about this incident now and learned that the service was being tape-recorded when that attack took took place. Was the recording ever leaked, I wonder? Sadly when politics are brought into it you get warped minds attempting to justify these tragedies. The cohorts of Lyra McKee's killers were being praised on social media a week or so ago for knocking down a harmless Irish Freedom Party stall in Belfast.

Muahahaha

Zebra3 wrote: »

Fr Brendan Smyth.

Evil paedo scum.

Taken away to jail laughing.

Found guilty of 74 charges of child abuse and got just four years.

Yeah Smith was a special kind of scum. One aspect of his trial that made me absolutely sick to the stomach was this one little girl he was sexually abusing almost weekly in her bedroom in her parents house in Belfast.

Aside from the shock that the parents were letting a priest go up to their daughters bedroom at one point he arrived to the house and the parents told him that their daughter was in bed crippled with the flu and she was not up to seeing visitors. But Brendan Smith persisted and went upstairs and abused the sick child anyway. He was an absolute monster of a paedo who never suffered true justice.

coinop

Muahahaha wrote: »

. He was an absolute monster of a paedo who never suffered true justice.

What would be true justice, in your opinion? Hanging from a noose?

Mysterypunter

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah Smith was a special kind of scum. One aspect of his trial that made me absolutely sick to the stomach was this one little girl he was sexually abusing almost weekly in her bedroom in her parents house in Belfast.

Aside from the shock that the parents were letting a priest go up to their daughters bedroom at one point he arrived to the house and the parents told him that their daughter was in bed crippled with the flu and she was not up to seeing visitors. But Brendan Smith persisted and went upstairs and abused the sick child anyway. He was an absolute monster of a paedo who never suffered true justice.

A **** like that should have had a hatchet in the face, see the horrible head on him too, justice in that case wouldn't even be a prison sentence, it would be roll over the **** with a steamroller, scrape up the body parts, and feed them to the pigs, a worthless filthy scumbag if there was ever one.

completedit

The Roma girl killed by the Dublin gangs back maybe 10 years ago. She had only arrived in Ireland was lured into a car and never seen alive again. She was like 17 in a foreign country. Can only imagine how scared she was.

sheepondrugs

The 2 Polish guys killed with a screwdriver by some evil bastard outside a chipper in Crumlin.
Apparentley hes out on day release now after serving less than 10 years.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

completedit wrote: »

The Roma girl killed by the Dublin gangs back maybe 10 years ago. She had only arrived in Ireland was lured into a car and never seen alive again. She was like 17 in a foreign country. Can only imagine how scared she was.

and nobody convicted. the chief suspect in that is also a suspect with the trevor deely thing.

funny you say that roma girl crime stuck with you cos IMO it seemed like nobody cared about her

joe40

The Anna Kriegel killing was particularly disturbing, especially considering the age of the killers

Your Face

I read a report on an industrial school that I used to live near.
Evil places and nobody ever was brought to justice for what went on.

rob316

Jamie Bulger is one we can't forget due to the age of all involved. Anna Kriegel memory will live long too, again that children were capable of such an evil, premeditated crime.

The Unbearables

Beslan. A crime so wicked it defied belief.

Wanderer2010

Fred and Rosemary West. It really hit home the point that evil doesnt wear a face or an identifying label, its as ordinary and banal as a dull looking housewife and a charmer of a builder. The exact kind of people who nod and smile as you pass them in the street. Ordinary neighbours, workers and friends, just like you and me.

The evil in their hearts was just shocking and the case was a depressing reminder how easy it is to just vanish off the face of the earth and have no discernible human connections of any kind to think twice of you or miss you. The neighbours heard and suspected things over the course of 25 years but a stiff upper lip and a "mind your own business" mindset allowed the crimes to go undetected even longer. Ill never forget the images of the black boxes coming out of the house, first one then two then dozens more. Searing.

biko

John Shaw and Geoffrey Evans.

Also the poor disabled kid in the 2017 Chicago torture incident

completedit

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote: »

and nobody convicted. the chief suspect in that is also a suspect with the trevor deely thing.

funny you say that roma girl crime stuck with you cos IMO it seemed like nobody cared about her

That's why it stuck with me. She was a kid and nobody really cared. Horrific. When a nation needs a good narrative to feel an outpouring of grief, that's a bad thing. Marioara Rostas is the girls name. I just read she made a call home on her second day as well.

EmmetSpiceland

The murder of Suzanne Crapper in the UK.

Muahahaha

coinop wrote: »

What would be true justice, in your opinion? Hanging from a noose?

Brendan Smith sexually abused 75 children over four decades ruining each and every one of those childrens lives. For that he got a 4 year sentence in prison. Irrespective of his age his sentence should have ensured that he would never again walk about in society as a free man. That would have been justice, not a pathetic 4 year prison sentence for a serial paedophile.

The unsolved murders of Abi and Libby from Delphi, Indiana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Abigail_Williams_and_Liberty_German

This is the case that has caught my attention ever since it happened. Gray Hughes on Youtube has made some great videos on the subject. One of the few on Youtube that isn't a spoofer out to make a quick buck.

Whenever I hear 'down the hill' I immediately think of the killer's voice.

Be right back

hellsing101 wrote: »

The Soham murders and Ian Huntley was one that always comes to mind, the way he went on tv appealing for info on their disappearance was thoroughly ****ed.

I remember watching him and Maxine Carr being interviewed on t.v. and getting weird vibes off them.

Man Vs ManUre

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think Graham Dwyers crimes will live long in the memory. Especially following the trial, day after day more shocking details came out. Just when you thought you couldnt be shocked any further it comes out that he enjoyed stabbing women while having sex with them, it was real WTF stuff.

Then the fact he had gotten away with the murder for around 18 months but cracking it all came down to a Garda getting in a lake to retrieve a bag that contained a set of keys and handcuffs. The keys had a Tesco clubcard fob on the ring which linked them back to Elaine o'Hara. The case would never have been solved without that Garda being so persistent.

And that great Garda would not have spotted the bag had it not been a hotter than average summer with no rain, resulting in the water level being lower than usual.
I can’t believe how stupid Dwyer was to just chuck a bag containing incriminating evidence off a bridge.
And one theory I have on that case is, he left her tied up out in the bush as part of her punishment along with various stabs and whatever torture he was inflicting, but he was expecting she would still be alive when he goes back in the morning or few hrs later, and they both go home together. But she doesn’t make it. Maybe he could have got only manslaughter if he went with that story.

coinop

Deleted User wrote: »

The unsolved murders of Abi and Libby from Delphi, Indiana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Abigail_Williams_and_Liberty_German

This is the case that has caught my attention ever since it happened. Gray Hughes on Youtube has made some great videos on the subject. One of the few on Youtube that isn't a spoofer out to make a quick buck.

Whenever I hear 'down the hill' I immediately think of the killer's voice.

Unsolved missing person's cases where there is video or audio evidence send a chill down my spine. Have you ever heard of the case of Amber Tuccaro in rural Canada? She accepted a lift with a stranger but soon felt uneasy when she sensed something was wrong. While in the car, she cleverly phoned her brother, who was serving time in prison, as she knew the call would be automatically recorded. The original call was 15 mins long but only 1 min of the call has ever been released. The case remains unsolved.

Chalk McHugh

The two crimes that have stuck with me the most to this day are both unsolved missing person cases. Both went missing in Dublin. Philip Cairns and Trevor Deeley. No bodies have ever been found so i'm presuming they were more sinister than accidents.

What resonates most with me about Philip Cairns was the fact he was the same age as me when he went missing. I was 12 and in last year of primary school and even though i'm not from the same area of Dublin there were missing posters of Philip on lamp posts in my area. I also had to walk through laneways to get to school and for a while after he went missing we were advised to avoid the lanes and go the longer way adding 10 minutes to the wallk.

We may have been young and naieve in many ways but hearing of Philip disappearing on his way to school and his schoolbag turning up in a laneway a couple of days later was frightening to us as kids. Seeing his posters every day was a reminder that not everything in this world was innocent. We knew there was a dark side out there.

Those posters stayed up until they withered away with the passing of time. It haunts me to this day.

coinop

coinop wrote: »

Unsolved missing person's cases where there is video or audio evidence send a chill down my spine. Have you ever heard of the case of Amber Tuccaro in rural Canada? She accepted a lift with a stranger but soon felt uneasy when she sensed something was wrong. While in the car, she cleverly phoned her brother, who was serving time in prison, as she knew the call would be automatically recorded. The original call was 15 mins long but only 1 min of the call has ever been released. The case remains unsolved.

The name didn't ring any bells but as soon as I heard the audio I immediately remembered the case. I remember John Lordan covering it a couple of years ago. Terrifying stuff.

I know police are reluctant to release too much info in cases for many reasons but there's no doubt many cases have been bungled by police keeping things too close to their chest. I hope this isn't another one.

Amazingfun

coinop wrote: »

Channon Gail Christian, aged 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., aged 23, were from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were kidnapped on the evening of January 6, 2007, when Christian's vehicle was carjacked, and taken to a rental house, where both of them were raped, tortured, and murdered.



Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks. He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire.

Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death.

Four males and one female were arrested, charged, and convicted in the case, four of whom had multiple prior felony convictions.



What crime cases were so horrible that they have stuck in your mind years after reading about them?

This has always been my number one case in the "can't forget" category of true crime, not just for its beyond belief cruelty and evil, but what the poor families have had to endure since the legal journey began. See #KnoxvilleHorror for more on that. Corrupt judge, torturous retrials, it has gone on and on and on. I pray for them still, as my heart and mind still cannot absorb what it truly must be like to bear what they have had to

The thread is really good, lots of compelling cases to look through and even a couple I wasn't aware of. Thanks .

TheValeyard

Anthony Campbell from Smithfield was a horrible one. Young trainee plumber shot dead because he happened to be working in a house when a gunman arrived.

Jimbob1977

Guido Nasi

The 17 year old Italian exchange student that was struck on the head with a bottle in Fairview Park in 1999.

The culprit (drunk from East Wall) asked him for a cigarette and then tried to rob him.

He was left paralysed. It was a great shame on this country. My blood was boiling at the time.

Guido Nasi never felt any animosity towards Ireland.

Others:

The Brian Murphy 'Club Annabel' killing

Fred and Rosemary West

The Moors Murders

James Bulger

Philip Cairns' disappearance

Anna Kriegel

Muahahaha

I think the Josef Fritzel case sticks in the mind too. It was bad enough him having sex and children with his own daughter but then imprisoning those children as sex slaves in an underground dungeon was on another level altogether.

It opened the worlds eyes to how far paedophiles would go to satisfy their urges. iirc a very similar case to Fritzel arose about a year later in Israel but it didnt garner anywhere near the same publicity. Then another one popped up in Germany, again very little publicity. I still reckon to this day that by the law of averages there are children locked in dungeons in other places by paedos. I wouldnt rule it out that it could be happening here in Ireland or anywhere really. After all kidnapped children in a dungeon would be some sort of holy grail for a paedo, they can get it away with it for years and maybe even forever if they are careful.

marklazarcovic

Warning . This is not easy to read.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49589160

There is a documentary

https://youtu.be/lsXFcbPbvI4

I won't forget this story

Josey Wales

The moment I saw this thread, I thought immediately of Dunblane.

Lundstram

Colonel Russell Williams - His police interview is simply essential viewing.

Trevor Deely - He pops into my head regularly, there was a massive thread on him here a few years ago. Incredible reading. Think it has since been deleted, though.

Deirdre Jacob - Another Kildare missing person. How does a young woman vanish without trace in a large town in broad daylight?

Phyllis Murphy - Yet another Kildare person who vanished in 1979, her body was found a month later. Her killer was eventually caught in 1998 when DNA became a thing. The fcuking scumbag is out now. There's a great documentary of this on Youtube which was just recently uploaded.

inforfun

Marc Dutroux

Heineken kidnap

And ages ago the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Dutch_school_hostage_crisis and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Dutch_train_hijacking school and train hi-jacking.
Dutch prime minister more or less send in the marines with a shoot to kill order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwHpX-8dSDc

144 bullets were found back in the bodies of the hi-jackers.

Beechwoodspark

Not so much a crime more a mystery

The disappearance of Trevor deely.

Worked in that area of dublin a number of years ago and would think of it

ThewhiteJesus

Philip Cairns, poor kid that disappeared from ballyroan in 1986, unsolved to this day

Be right back

Ivan Milat, Australian serial killer. Stuff of nightmares.

StefanFal

coinop wrote: »

Channon Gail Christian, aged 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., aged 23, were from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were kidnapped on the evening of January 6, 2007, when Christian's vehicle was carjacked, and taken to a rental house, where both of them were raped, tortured, and murdered.



Newsom's body was discovered near a set of nearby railroad tracks. He had been bound, blindfolded, gagged, and stripped naked from the waist down. He had been shot in the back of the head, neck, and back, and his body had been set on fire.

Eat eggs in hell.Christian died after hours of torture, sustaining traumatic brain injuries and suffering injuries to her vagina, anus, and mouth due to repeated sexual assault. Before killing her, in an effort to remove DNA evidence, her attackers poured bleach down her throat and scrubbed her body with it. She was bound with curtains and strips of bedding, with her face covered with a trash bag and her body stashed in five large trash bags. These were placed inside a residential waste disposal unit and covered with sheets and garbage from Wendy's. The medical examiner said there was evidence that Christian slowly suffocated to death.

Four males and one female were arrested, charged, and convicted in the case, four of whom had multiple prior felony convictions.



What crime cases were so horrible that they have stuck in your mind years after reading about them?

You have a twisted mind posting this. Jesus Christ