Crimes that have stayed with you for years

glomar

northside rapist from the 1990s ..

SusieBlue

The Nichola Sweeney case was heartbreaking.
She was just 19yrs old and was having fun getting ready to go on a night out with her friend at home, when her neighbour broke into her house armed with 2 kitchen knives and chased her around her home before murdering her.
He also stabbed her friend Sinead O’Leary over 20 times and left her fighting for her life.
This only happened in 2002 so not that long ago either.

He was around the same age and had recently been released from rehab, and was high on drugs and alcohol at the time.

He never offered a motive or showed any remorse, and was sentenced to life imprisonment.
However thanks to our wonderful justice system, he has now been allowed out of prison on multiple occasions on day release due to good behaviour, back to his home near where Nichola’s family and Sinead live.
Neither Nichola’s family nor Sinead were never even given notice that he would be returning to the immediate area, and they weren’t given the opportunity to object to it either.
Another prime example of the justice system favouring the needs of a criminal over the needs of the victim and families left behind.
It was absolutely disgraceful.

coinop

Aye, I don’t have much confidence in the Irish justice system. If any of my loved ones suffer at the hands of a criminal I will deal with it myself Padraig McNally style. But that’s probably a topic for another thread.

Back on topic, the Garlic Man case has always stuck in my head due to the absurdity of it. A businessman sentenced to six years for labeling imported garlic as apples. Pedophiles and murderers get less.

Mad_maxx

Lundstram wrote: »

He got 4 and served 3. He didn't mean to kill the boy and he panicked. He later confessed.

I believe the sentence was just in this case.

I think so too ,he knew the boy for years, horse play that went tragically wrong

Yurt2

Christ, that Japanese schoolgirl kidnap / murder case is as dark as it gets. Not only the main perpetrators but the dozens of other men that abused her. What goes wrong with so many people at once that they can all commit such crimes.

Mad_maxx

smelly sock wrote: »

While O'Donoghue's brutal act on his neighbour Robert turned him into one of the most hated killers in the country, it was his actions after Robert's death that made him truly reviled.

He strangled the schoolboy to death following an argument at his family home in Ballyedmond, Midleton, Co Cork on January 4, 2005. O'Donoghue insisted that Robert died accidentally after he placed him in a headlock and then caught him by the throat following a confrontation over his refusal to drive the boy to Mc-Donald's for a milk shake.

After killing the child, the callous killer then drove the body to Inch Strand and dumped his remains in a ditch.

He wrapped Robert's body in black sacks and later tried to set fire to plastic sheeting.

Robert's disappearance sparked the biggest missing person hunt in the history of the State.

Hundreds of worried neighbours spent days combing the countryside outside Midleton looking for the missing child. And in a cold and calculated act, O'Donoghue joined in the search for Robert and even told his mum, Majella, that her son was safe and would be home soon.

Robert's body was discovered by volunteers on January 12, 2005 following nine days of frantic searching.

Three days later, as gardai started to close in on him, O'Donoghue confessed his crime to his father Ray.

Is that a " copy and paste " from a SUN newspaper article?

Reads like it , " the callous killer "

Pelezico

A man meets a girl at a wedding and falls madly in love with her. However he does not find out her name and is very sad.

Two months later he kills the groom. Why?

Sittingpretty

Raonaid Murray.

smelly sock

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Is that a " copy and paste " from a SUN newspaper article?

Reads like it , " the callous killer "

Irish times.

I think it puts clarity on the whole thing. The apologists for O'Donoghue need to remember he tried to burn the little body and only came clean when it was clear he'd been caught.

His actions after the murder are unforgivable.

Mad_maxx

smelly sock wrote: »

Irish times.

I think it puts clarity on the whole thing. The apologists for O'Donoghue need to remember he tried to burn the little body and only came clean when it was clear he'd been caught.

His actions after the murder are unforgivable.

Well I only go by what I read at the time and I don't remember that

FintanMcluskey

I always thought the random murders were the most chilling, although obviously the planned ones are just as bad!

Geffory Evans and John Shaw, fled England for other crimes and became Irelands first serial killers, killed 2 random women, one in Wicklow and one in Mayo.

Their plan was to kill 1 woman a week, while travelling the country.

Was some achivement for the Gardai to apprehend them in the mid 1970s.

TCDStudent1

When I read the thread title, immediately the Manuela Riedo case came to mind. Particularly, the photo of her in the Spanish Arch shortly before her murder. She looked so happy and full of life. It was a crime that could have been prevented. He was out on bail for another offence. Gardai opposed the bail but he was granted bail anyway. He raped a French girl in the area a few weeks previously too - that crime also stays in my memory as I was out in Galway a few nights that week and everybody was talking about that attack.

Another crime that stays with me was the Mary Shannon one (in Clare?). The leniency of the sentence stands out, the 2 sides traveling home on the same train and the guy flicking a cigarette towards her.

rob316

smelly sock wrote: »

Irish times.

I think it puts clarity on the whole thing. The apologists for O'Donoghue need to remember he tried to burn the little body and only came clean when it was clear he'd been caught.

His actions after the murder are unforgivable.

The sentence fit, it was tragic the whole thing. He was full of remorse and carries what he did with him for the rest of his life, nothing would of been gained locking him up any longer. He panicked and tried to get away with it but he handed himself in. I read the statement he made, it was just an accident, he even said "he picked up a knife and thought about slashing his own throat after he realized he killed Robert".

He made a huge mistake the way he tried to cover it up but he just killed his young neighbor. He panicked.

mariaalice

This is possibly because it came out at a certain time in my life.

A teacher in Cork has an affair with a student a few years go by and he marries and has a baby his marriage is not going well he takes the toddler and hides for two years the chid is hidden away in a remote house and was rarely let out when he is on the verge of being found out he kills the child who is now 3 and kills himself. His former student who is now in her twenties was helping him, that was how he stayed hidden for so long. One of the really upsetting details was how the child was wearing shoes that were too small for her as he was too paranoid to go out and buy shoes in case it gave a clue to his whereabouts.

Evil, manipulative, and self-righteous.

Hangdogroad

smelly sock wrote: »

He confessed when they found the body in a ditch after joining the search party.

Regardless of intent our sentencing is a joke. He took a young boy from his family and got a slap on the wrist.

He obviously has huge anger issues if he can kill a young lad for throwing stones at his car.

He came back and tried to set the body in fire at a later date after dumping it. Whatever about his intent to kill his attemats to cover up the crime show him for what he is.

Hangdogroad

mariaalice wrote: »

This is possibly because it came out at a certain time in my life.

A teacher in Cork has an affair with a student a few years go by and he marries and has a baby his marriage is not going well he takes the toddler and hides for two years the chid is hidden away in a remote house and was rarely let out when he is on the verge of being found out he kills the child who is now 3 and kills himself. His former student who is now in her twenties was helping him, that was how he stayed hidden for so long. One of the really upsetting details was how the child was wearing shoes that were too small for her as he was too paranoid to go out and buy shoes in case it gave a clue to his whereabouts.

Evil, manipulative, and self-righteous.

Crowley I think that fellas name was. An evil conniving scumbag on the level of Alan Hawe and "pillar of the community". I recall the murder was only about a week or so before 9 11 so it got pushed out of the news and public consciousness.

fitzparker

Disappearance of Amy Fitzpatrick in Spain

This sticks out as it was an Irish girl and wasn't long after Madeline McCann but it never got as much publicity as it.

It now seems its a forgotten story and years later the step father stabbing the son

Now the mother is left with 2 children gone.

take everything

pc7 wrote: »

Riu Pedro he went missing in Portugal before Madeline McCann. His story was featured on one of the documentaries about Madeline. He has never been found, but his mother visited with Interpol and his images were found amount stuff when they cracked the Wonderland paedophile ring. His mother said some things are worse than death, I can’t even imagine her pain or what happened the little guy. I don’t think that one will leave me, never knowing where he is, but knowing he suffered like that.

And people wonder if evil people exist.

Evil people exist and do stuff like this.

The idea that that this could happen and that this could go undiscovered purely because some people value getting off over the killing of a child is shocking and depressing but unfortunately there are a lot of people like this out there.

And I find it hard to understand that people balk at accepting it is probably rife in many elites.

Hence, Epstein.

Human beings are capable of the most disgusting behaviour and nothing shocks me any more.

TCDStudent1

mariaalice wrote: »

This is possibly because it came out at a certain time in my life.

A teacher in Cork has an affair with a student a few years go by and he marries and has a baby his marriage is not going well he takes the toddler and hides for two years the chid is hidden away in a remote house and was rarely let out when he is on the verge of being found out he kills the child who is now 3 and kills himself. His former student who is now in her twenties was helping him, that was how he stayed hidden for so long. One of the really upsetting details was how the child was wearing shoes that were too small for her as he was too paranoid to go out and buy shoes in case it gave a clue to his whereabouts.

Evil, manipulative, and self-righteous.

Don't remember that one at all. Perhaps because of 9 11 as suggested by another poster. This link gives details on what happened the student:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/child-killers-lover-brutalised-in-jail-says-her-father-26007701.html

smelly sock

rob316 wrote: »

The sentence fit, it was tragic the whole thing. He was full of remorse and carries what he did with him for the rest of his life, nothing would of been gained locking him up any longer. He panicked and tried to get away with it but he handed himself in. I read the statement he made, it was just an accident, he even said "he picked up a knife and thought about slashing his own throat after he realized he killed Robert".

He made a huge mistake the way he tried to cover it up but he just killed his young neighbor. He panicked.

He returned to try and burn the body. He covered the whole thing up and finally confessed when he knew he was about to be caught.

Nobody outside of the area would remember it apart from his callous and calculated actions trying to cover the act. Serving 3 years for taking the childs life in an accident was probably fair enough. But he should have done a lot longer for the way he tried to burn the body, discarded it in a ditch. That was the real crime.

Hangdogroad

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

When I read the thread title, immediately the Manuela Riedo case came to mind. Particularly, the photo of her in the Spanish Arch shortly before her murder. She looked so happy and full of life. It was a crime that could have been prevented. He was out on bail for another offence. Gardai opposed the bail but he was granted bail anyway. He raped a French girl in the area a few weeks previously too - that crime also stays in my memory as I was out in Galway a few nights that week and everybody was talking about that attack.

Another crime that stays with me was the Mary Shannon one (in Clare?). The leniency of the sentence stands out, the 2 sides traveling home on the same train and the guy flicking a cigarette towards her.

Manuela Riedos killer was involved in another incident in the late 90s where a man socialising in Galway was beaten to death by a gang of scrotes in a totally random attack. I remember this man's family was taunted in court by "supporters" of those charged.

Padraig Mor

smelly sock wrote: »

He returned to try and burn the body. He covered the whole thing up and finally confessed when he knew he was about to be caught.

Nobody outside of the area would remember it apart from his callous and calculated actions trying to cover the act. Serving 3 years for taking the childs life in an accident was probably fair enough. But he should have done a lot longer for the way he tried to burn the body, discarded it in a ditch. That was the real crime.

My recollection from the time - and I am of course reaching back quite a bit - is that O'Donoghue was solely charged with manslaughter and NOT the subsequent coverup attempt (perverting the course of justice?) and was thus sentenced based upon the killing alone and not his subsequent actions. IIRC this point was noted by the judge at the time (perhaps even in criticism of the DPP - I don't remember).

Padraig Mor

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think Graham Dwyers crimes will live long in the memory. Especially following the trial, day after day more shocking details came out. Just when you thought you couldnt be shocked any further it comes out that he enjoyed stabbing women while having sex with them, it was real WTF stuff.

Then the fact he had gotten away with the murder for around 18 months but cracking it all came down to a Garda getting in a lake to retrieve a bag that contained a set of keys and handcuffs. The keys had a Tesco clubcard fob on the ring which linked them back to Elaine o'Hara. The case would never have been solved without that Garda being so persistent.

A very common misconception (although I am not downplaying the Garda's persistence). A bizarrely little known facet of the case is that Dwyer was specifically identified to the Gardai as the likely killer shortly after O'Hara's body was found - around the time the final reservoir searches were taking place, Gardai were already quietly removing items from Dwyer's bin to obtain DNA samples. Looking at the case in total, it's clear the person who named Dwyer could be one of only two people - his wife or, far more likely, the 'secret witness' who had been having an ongoing S&M affair with Dwyer and knew of O'Hara and Dwyer (and even met her?).

Sardonicat

Padraig Mor wrote: »

A very common misconception (although I am not downplaying the Garda's persistence). A bizarrely little known facet of the case is that Dwyer was specifically identified to the Gardai as the likely killer shortly after O'Hara's body was found - around the time the final reservoir searches were taking place, Gardai were already quietly removing items from Dwyer's bin to obtain DNA samples. Looking at the case in total, it's clear the person who named Dwyer could be one of only two people - his wife or, far more likely, the 'secret witness' who had been having an ongoing S&M affair with Dwyer and knew of O'Hara and Dwyer (and even met her?).

Could you post any links to this? I've never heard of this before.

ThewhiteJesus

smelly sock wrote: »

While O'Donoghue's brutal act on his neighbour Robert turned him into one of the most hated killers in the country, it was his actions after Robert's death that made him truly reviled.

He strangled the schoolboy to death following an argument at his family home in Ballyedmond, Midleton, Co Cork on January 4, 2005. O'Donoghue insisted that Robert died accidentally after he placed him in a headlock and then caught him by the throat following a confrontation over his refusal to drive the boy to Mc-Donald's for a milk shake.

After killing the child, the callous killer then drove the body to Inch Strand and dumped his remains in a ditch.

He wrapped Robert's body in black sacks and later tried to set fire to plastic sheeting.

Robert's disappearance sparked the biggest missing person hunt in the history of the State.

Hundreds of worried neighbours spent days combing the countryside outside Midleton looking for the missing child. And in a cold and calculated act, O'Donoghue joined in the search for Robert and even told his mum, Majella, that her son was safe and would be home soon.

Robert's body was discovered by volunteers on January 12, 2005 following nine days of frantic searching.

Three days later, as gardai started to close in on him, O'Donoghue confessed his crime to his father Ray.



......yeh he was totally upfront.

wasn't there semen on his body aswell ?

Hangdogroad

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Well I only go by what I read at the time and I don't remember that

It was widely reported at the time that an attempt had been made to burn the body and O Donohoe admitted to it.

Gregor Samsa

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

wasn't there semen on his body aswell ?

Already covered earlier in the thread. It wasn't O'Donoghue's, and there's an explanation as to why it was there that isn't related to his death.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114272833&postcount=206

Also, O'Donoghue took libel actions against TV3, The Sunday World and the Evening Hearld over their coverage of the semen, the result of which they all stated that the semen was not his:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1117/308851-odonoghuew/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20136127.html

Gregor Samsa

Hangdogroad wrote: »

It was widely reported at the time that an attempt had been made to burn the body and O Donohoe admitted to it.

His claim (and it's obviously open to disbelief) was that he felt bad that he had covered Robert's body, and he went back to burn the bags, so that the body would not be so hidden. When he went back, the bags were caught in bushes, and he thought the body was no longer in them. After starting to burn one bag, he realised Robert's body was still in it. The fire went out after 10 seconds, and he left the scene.

So he admitted to an attempt to burn the bags, but not the body. I personally would have trouble taking that claim at face value.

Here's his statment in full: https://magill.ie/archive/wayne-odonoghue-story-his-own-words

EmmetSpiceland

The killing of that kid in Palmerstown in the early 70s. Was, allegedly, satanic elements to the crime.

Killer got a few years and the murder seemed to have been “swept under the carpet”. Again alleged, influence of religious orders in that.

jay1988

fitzparker wrote: »

Disappearance of Amy Fitzpatrick in Spain

This sticks out as it was an Irish girl and wasn't long after Madeline McCann but it never got as much publicity as it.

It now seems its a forgotten story and years later the step father stabbing the son

Now the mother is left with 2 children gone.

She has 2 children gone but is still with person who took one (if not both if her kids from her), bizarre situation altogether.