Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Ceist_Beag · 15-03-2021 5:25pm

Sirsok wrote: »

Anyone interested there's a good interview with John Mulhall here.

https://scoreline.ie/the-clash-act-010-john-mulhall-ex-kilkenny-kildare/

That was a really good interview, thanks for the link. I might not agree with absolutely everything John said but there was an awful lot of sense in what he had to say, especially around the resilience in young people.

Realt Dearg Sec · 20-03-2021 4:06pm

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/618451/next-generation-to-learn-the-ropes-at-kilkenny-academy.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&s=08

Some interesting plans here, might need more details but it seems muldowney is focused on the things people on here were concerned about, like creative forward play, inclusive squad set ups and bridging the gap to u20.

Ceist_Beag · 22-03-2021 10:56am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/618451/next-generation-to-learn-the-ropes-at-kilkenny-academy.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&s=08

Some interesting plans here, might need more details but it seems muldowney is focused on the things people on here were concerned about, like creative forward play, inclusive squad set ups and bridging the gap to u20.

Sounds positive but the one thing glaringly absent from any discussions I've heard so far is football. I've not seen a single mention of any plans to tackle the fact that football is largely ignored at underage level.

greenspurs · 22-03-2021 11:30am

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Sounds positive but the one thing glaringly absent from any discussions I've heard so far is football. I've not seen a single mention of any plans to tackle the fact that football is largely ignored at underage level.

Most clubs will continue to have a handful of training sessions for football, just to tick that box ?
Its a pity.

JJs Left Hand · 22-03-2021 4:28pm

If there was a competition there clubs might try harder.

Village87 · 24-03-2021 9:44am

My biggest concern for development is the moving of u18 to u17, it is a big step up to adult hurling from u17 as the u19 club competition in Kilkenny is a joke.
Minor at u18 was a fantastic competition with the county minor team so popular amongst hurling supporters as a lot of players are well known through the county from playing adult club level that year and the year before. Great exposure for supporters and players. The incentive of playing in Croke Park and televised All Ireland Semi Final and Final. A great competition

The success of the county minors over the last 20 years surely has some correlation to some of these club players exposure to adult club hurling and training.
U17 is far to young. The u17 county team seems to have lost some of its glamour with the removal of playing in Croke Park and being televised going forward.

Village87 · 24-03-2021 9:46am

Village87 wrote: »

My biggest concern for development is the moving of u18 to u17, it is a big step up to adult hurling from u17 as the u19 club competition in Kilkenny is a joke.
Minor at u18 was a fantastic competition with the county minor team so popular amongst hurling supporters as a lot of players are well known through the county from playing adult club level that year and the year before. Great exposure for supporters and players. The incentive of playing in Croke Park and televised All Ireland Semi Final and Final. A great competition

The success of the county minors over the last 20 years surely has some correlation to some of these club players exposure to adult club hurling and training.
U17 is far to young. The u17 county team seems to have lost some of its glamour with the removal of playing in Croke Park and not being televised going forward. I try follow as much hurling in Kilkenny as possible but I would not have a clue of most of the county Minor teams now compared to years ago.

Lost Ormond · 24-03-2021 12:32pm

Village87 wrote: »

My biggest concern for development is the moving of u18 to u17, it is a big step up to adult hurling from u17 as the u19 club competition in Kilkenny is a joke.
Minor at u18 was a fantastic competition with the county minor team so popular amongst hurling supporters as a lot of players are well known through the county from playing adult club level that year and the year before. Great exposure for supporters and players. The incentive of playing in Croke Park and televised All Ireland Semi Final and Final. A great competition

The success of the county minors over the last 20 years surely has some correlation to some of these club players exposure to adult club hurling and training.
U17 is far to young. The u17 county team seems to have lost some of its glamour with the removal of playing in Croke Park and being televised going forward.

I dont see minor being u17 not 18 as a problem. It does help reduce the strain on some of the players playing to a higher level and it also reduces clashes with the leaving cert which is no harm at all.

under 17 isnt far too young at all. There is county teams from u14 on and having the first main inter county level at 3 years following the first set up is right and in terms of ltpd with players at age 16 when involved in this is right

Combining the move to under 17 with the age you are able to play adult is a good thing

bamayang · 24-03-2021 1:54pm

Most lads nearly 19 doing the leaving cert now.

JJs Left Hand · 24-03-2021 9:55pm

All the lads up to the age at U17 I've ever dealt with are in transition year going into 5th year. I've never had a 6th year. You actually are more likely to get caught with younger lads doing the Junior Cert. That extra year is huge from both a physical development and psychological development perspective. County minors used to be coming off the back of a year (or maybe even two for the elite) at senior schools level, now they're off the back of Junior. Massive difference.

When players left U18 the best were ready to walk in to a club adult team but now you have to be truly special to make the step up straight away.

The only positive is that players are so young that you get them embedded into your adult training for a year or two before they go to college.

I think the change has been terrible.

Village87 · 25-03-2021 10:30am

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

All the lads up to the age at U17 I've ever dealt with are in transition year going into 5th year. I've never had a 6th year. You actually are more likely to get caught with younger lads doing the Junior Cert. That extra year is huge from both a physical development and psychological development perspective. County minors used to be coming off the back of a year (or maybe even two for the elite) at senior schools level, now they're off the back of Junior. Massive difference.

When players left U18 the best were ready to walk in to a club adult team but now you have to be truly special to make the step up straight away.

The only positive is that players are so young that you get them embedded into your adult training for a year or two before they go to college.

I think the change has been terrible.

It is ruining the underage in Kilkenny IMO.

Neewollah · 25-03-2021 11:25am

The move to under 17 nationally and locally has been nothing short of a disaster.

The U-19 is now a token competition played in the summer without county players which leads to players losing interest not getting to play with their better counterparts and devaluing the competition. Then the championship is thrown on in the middle of the under 21 in the depths of winter on heavy pitches and clubs that go well in both have players getting flogged week in week out. Competitions pre covid dragging on until February the following year. I have discussed this with county board exec in the past and they are not for changing. Once you finish Under 17 now all players have is a league minus county players and a championship played from November onwards. Not really the way to be keeping lads playing our games.

It should never have one away from 14/16/18 IMO and it's just typical GAA, tinkering for the sake of tinkering.

Village87 · 25-03-2021 1:31pm

Regarding Covid-19 and 2021 the first thing that should happen is forget about underage intercounty 2021. Play the local club league and Championships from June until September. The logistics of training and travelling for underage Intercounty matches is to challenging. It is a short enough year already and stopping underage club action for underage intercounty would be very disappointing for youngsters who already have had a very distributive and disappointing year

Sirsok · 03-04-2021 11:09pm

Have the pleasure of getting to sit in a record these interviews , this one is with Chap Cleere, talking about getting the call from Cody that he is gone from panel and a good bit more.

https://scoreline.ie/the-clash-act-013-peter-chap-cleere-former-kilkenny-senior-hurler-turned-mayor/

A few good ones lined up in next few week and a good lot in archives all ready from episode 5, the likes of Richie Power and Eoin Larkin if anyone is interested.

If ye have any suggestions on people you wouldn't mind hearing a deep dive on lemme know!

blackwave · 05-04-2021 7:50am

Sirsok wrote: »

Have the pleasure of getting to sit in a record these interviews , this one is with Chap Cleere, talking about getting the call from Cody that he is gone from panel and a good bit more.

https://scoreline.ie/the-clash-act-013-peter-chap-cleere-former-kilkenny-senior-hurler-turned-mayor/

A few good ones lined up in next few week and a good lot in archives all ready from episode 5, the likes of Richie Power and Eoin Larkin if anyone is interested.

If ye have any suggestions on people you wouldn't mind hearing a deep dive on lemme know!

Would love to hear one from Michael Fennelly, Cha or Brian Hogan.

greenspurs · 06-04-2021 9:14am

I think Cha's would be good!

Sirsok · 16-04-2021 7:15pm

greenspurs wrote: »

I think Cha's would be good!

Have Paul Murphy on this week. Sound chap and a good interviewee, pretty open and honest about his retirement

https://scoreline.ie/the-clash-act-015-paul-murphy-kilkennys-recently-retired-four-time-all-ireland-and-all-star-winner/

blackcard · 17-04-2021 11:12pm

Interesting article in today's Independent where they rate all the county grounds in the country with Nowlan Park coming in at number 1. A lot of good work has been done over the years to bring it to where it is at the moment. Not sure if it is feasible to have floodlights installed or to have a covered stand either side of the Old Stand or seating on the City End. Great work has been carried out on the surface of the pitch itself, I think it has got the award for best pitch for the last two years

17-04-2021 11:48pm

The houses objected to the stand been extended they said it would block out the light. Excellent ground staff the pitch is excellent .

Comerman · 18-04-2021 12:01am

That's Comermen for ya, tis the best we can do in the Park ðŸ˜

Grats · 18-04-2021 8:16pm

Grats wrote: »

Revised Panel with J Bergin Conahy Shamrocks and M Carey Young Ireland added:

Shamrocks Ballyhale
TJ Reid, Joey Holden, R Reid, D Mullen, A Mullen, E Cody, D Corcoran, B Cody

Dicksboro
C Buckley, A Nolan

James Stephens
C Browne, N Brassil, T Dwyer, E Guilfoyle, C Kenny

O'Loughlins
P Deegan, H Lawlor, E O'Shea

Tullaroan
P Walsh, T Walsh, M Keoghan

Bennettsbridge
L Blanchfield, D Blanchfield

Danesfort
R Hogan

Tullogher Rosbercon
W Walsh

Comer
C Fogarty, C Delaney, C Wallace

Freshford
D Brennan

Glenmore
E Murphy, A Murphy

Thomastown
J Donnelly

G Ballycallan
B Ryan

Rower Inistioge
R Leahy

Conahy Shamrocks
James Bergin

Young Irelands
M Carey.

Posted the above 3 months ago. Back training from tomorrow, anybody any updates on panel?

18-04-2021 9:33pm

Grats wrote: »

Posted the above 3 months ago. Back training from tomorrow, anybody any updates on panel?

Is James Maher back.

Grats · 18-04-2021 10:58pm

Fred Daly wrote: »

Is James Maher back.

Had forgotten that was mentioned.

me89 · 20-04-2021 8:46am

Leinster SHC

Kilkenny v Wexford/Laois
Dublin/Antrim v Galway

blackcard · 20-04-2021 6:11pm

me89 wrote: »

Leinster SHC

Kilkenny v Wexford/Laois
Dublin/Antrim v Galway

Are these matches home/away/neutral venue?

kkclubhurling · 20-04-2021 6:49pm

Leinster Semis will be in Croke Park again I’d imagine this year..

On the KK panel, they are back this evening, believe all players fully available (no serious injury worries). Some of the players on previous page not on panel incl B Cody, C Kenny and Guilfoyle.

20-04-2021 7:13pm

blackcard wrote: »

Are these matches home/away/neutral venue?

Are they not going to be played in Croke park.

Village87 · 21-04-2021 9:38am

Fred Daly wrote: »

Are they not going to be played in Croke park.

Played Neutral. Seen as its a semi final and no crowds allowed to attend could possibly be in Carlow or Portlaoise also

Mankbag · 21-04-2021 9:41pm

Village87 wrote: »

Played Neutral. Seen as its a semi final and no crowds allowed to attend could possibly be in Carlow or Portlaoise also

There's no way Kilkenny/Wexford would be played in Carlow.

Billy Ocean · 21-04-2021 10:02pm

Mankbag wrote: »

There's no way Kilkenny/Wexford would be played in Carlow.

Given geography they might be happy to toss for home advantage, both panels would be well accustomed to the away venue for them too.

26-04-2021 8:52am

Kilkenny NHL Fixtures 2021
8/5/2021 V Dublin Parnell park, 16/5/21 V Antrim Nowlan park,23/5/21VWexford Nowlan park,5/6/21 V Laois Nowlan park,12/6/21V Clare Ennis.
15-30PM 13-30PM 14-00PM 13-45PM 15-OOPM

Realt Dearg Sec · 26-04-2021 4:18pm

Fred Daly wrote: »

Kilkenny NHL Fixtures 2021
8/5/2021 V Dublin Parnell park, 16/5/21 V Antrim Nowlan park,23/5/21VWexford Nowlan park,5/6/21 V Laois Nowlan park,12/6/21V Clare Ennis.
15-30PM 13-30PM 14-00PM 13-45PM 15-OOPM

The fact that there's no league final and the winners of the two groups will be declared joint winners really does make a bit of a joke of the whole thing. I know the argument is basically, "no final because Covid" but in fairness there's 31 matches in the league right now. Adding a final would make 32. I'm really not sure that's a massive increased risk, given all these teams will be out in the championship a week or two later anyway.

That all being said, I think it's clear enough that the other group is the stronger one and would be the better group to be in to prepare for championship. I hope we see loads of new faces during this league, it's probably not realistic or desirable to get five new starters for championship, but we need to get younger in every line on the field at this point if we are to build for the future.

26-04-2021 10:23pm

Still its never easy to get a result out of Parnell park, or Cusack park Ennis or Wexford in the park. Y

brookville · 26-04-2021 10:56pm

First of all its great to see a road map and hopefully we're on the right track.
There's no doubt the league this year won't have anywhere near the same bite.We all look forward to the day we can get back to a match.
Our league group wouldn't set the heart racing but as stated above we need to address a few glaring problems.When ran at last year we got destroyed we need stability consistency in midfield.if leahy can stay injury free and be more consistent he has the engine to be a really top player.James maher should be an addition.
We need pace in defence.delaney looks comfortable at 3 and lawlor more comfortable out in the half back line.
Although reliant on tj mullen should be a help and eoin cody should be stronger.Donnelly is improving.Billy ryan needs consistency and blanchfield needs to nail a spot down especially with Colin gone.Brassil and Alan Murphy had their moments last year.
Bigger problems in midfield and defence than the forwards in my opinion.
I'd hope the likes of James bergin and Darren mullen can try break into the team

castletownman · 26-04-2021 11:51pm

Anyone know of a Declan Buggy from Castlecomer? Apparently played some underage up through the grades for the county. Seemingly he has transferred to Oulart.

dzer2 · 27-04-2021 7:25am

castletownman wrote: »

Anyone know of a Declan Buggy from Castlecomer? Apparently played some underage up through the grades for the county. Seemingly he has transferred to Oulart.

Think he is working down there

Village87 · 27-04-2021 10:33am

castletownman wrote: »

Anyone know of a Declan Buggy from Castlecomer? Apparently played some underage up through the grades for the county. Seemingly he has transferred to Oulart.

Is that due to the fact that Fogarty is over Comer this year ?

Village87 · 27-04-2021 10:40am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The fact that there's no league final and the winners of the two groups will be declared joint winners really does make a bit of a joke of the whole thing. I know the argument is basically, "no final because Covid" but in fairness there's 31 matches in the league right now. Adding a final would make 32. I'm really not sure that's a massive increased risk, given all these teams will be out in the championship a week or two later anyway.

That all being said, I think it's clear enough that the other group is the stronger one and would be the better group to be in to prepare for championship. I hope we see loads of new faces during this league, it's probably not realistic or desirable to get five new starters for championship, but we need to get younger in every line on the field at this point if we are to build for the future.

Very important that Kilkenny win these games and put down a marker that they are better than the Wexford, Clare, laois and Dublins of todays games. Kilkenny could do with earthing a few new players. Deegan Fogarty and Buckley need replacing, very poor last year. Kilkenny must have one of the older teams in the country at this stage. TJ, Riche, Wally, Murphy, Fogarty all in the 30s. Buckley and Padraig Walsh must be on the verge of 30. Badly need new faces to freshen the thing and get back to winning ways. Time to see Darren Mullen play. Kilkenny backs very slow last year. He will surely inject a bit of pace in there

Comerman · 27-04-2021 1:18pm

Village87 wrote: »

Is that due to the fact that Fogarty is over Comer this year ?

Genuine question, why?
Buggy livesand works over there.

castletownman · 27-04-2021 2:53pm

dzer2 wrote: »

Think he is working down there

What position would he usually play? Is he good?

conor05 · 27-04-2021 4:16pm

Buggy lives full time down there.

Makes sense to transfer to Oulart.

Good club to join, strong tradition and some good young hurlers coming through again.

Billy Ocean · 27-04-2021 8:31pm

conor05 wrote: »

Buggy lives full time down there.

Makes sense to transfer to Oulart.

Good club to join, strong tradition and some good young hurlers coming through again.

Oulart and Rathnure the only clubs down here that solely focus on hurling too.

jimbob2015 · 01-05-2021 5:33pm

Anyone know how to get Eir Sport if you don't have it for the match next weekend

Can we get game on a day pass option?

Is it possible to watch on GAA Go or is it blocked in Ireland due to Eir showing some national league games in Ireland?

Comerman · 01-05-2021 8:49pm

jimbob2015 wrote: »

Anyone know how to get Eir Sport if you don't have it for the match next weekend

Can we get game on a day pass option?

Is it possible to watch on GAA Go or is it blocked in Ireland due to Eir showing some national league games in Ireland?

I think eir is 15e per month for 4 months with a month notice to cancel, but I believe gaago is showing the games eir have

Comerman · 01-05-2021 9:22pm

Anyone know what kind of panel are in?

jimbob2015 · 01-05-2021 10:20pm

Comerman wrote: »

I think eir is 15e per month for 4 months with a month notice to cancel, but I believe gaago is showing the games eir have

Comerman thanks a million Gaa Go it is so

Comerman · 01-05-2021 10:22pm

jimbob2015 wrote: »

Comerman thanks a million Gaa Go it is so

I'm going to weigh it up Monday, gaago was dodgy enough Last year so maybe eir is worth it

Comerman · 01-05-2021 10:25pm

jimbob2015 wrote: »

Comerman thanks a million Gaa Go it is so

https://subscribe.eirsport.ie/

tbiggertycome · 03-05-2021 2:15pm

The only thing I've heard was that on our first night back training for some reason they played a game. 36 lads available at the start of the session only 26 walked off. Leahy had a nasty cut to the head. A lot of first team starters while still in there, are being tested and playing with the weaker team. Will be interesting to see the starting team on Saturday.

03-05-2021 6:00pm

So from what you are saying there was ten players injured the first night,

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