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cavan4sam · 30-10-2019 3:12pm

Any sign of the national league fixtures being released ?

Cavan_King · 03-11-2019 5:44pm

All three grade winners out of the Ulster club championships. I’m hugely optimistic but it says a lot.

Castlerahan, who are the best team in the county, beaten by a team who should have been dead on their feet.

rrs · 03-11-2019 6:16pm

Castlerahan were 7 behind at one stage in the second half. Glenties then tired which wasn't surprising and Castlerahan came more into it. The Castlerahan defeat the most disappointing. I wouldn't be saying at least they were competitive. They should have been doing better, well off the pace of it and only played in patches. If Glenties had more preparation they could have won comfortably.

DJIMI TRARORE · 03-11-2019 9:06pm

Its a good job the Glenties were tired

Crash Bang Wall · 07-11-2019 11:50am

rrs wrote: »

Castlerahan were 7 behind at one stage in the second half. Glenties then tired which wasn't surprising and Castlerahan came more into it. The Castlerahan defeat the most disappointing. I wouldn't be saying at least they were competitive. They should have been doing better, well off the pace of it and only played in patches. If Glenties had more preparation they could have won comfortably.

Castlerahan very poor, and lacked intensity early on, evident most when Daly was strolling towards a ball as if it was a challenge match, got turned over, and Glenties scored. Would definitely have been a hiding had Glenties ahad a week or 10 days to prepare.

But had Castlerahan upped the intensity, were they good enough to compete? Or, would they be good enough to compete against a Glenties team at full tilt. I dont think so.

Castlerahan, and Cavan sides in general seem to lack the big physical players like McLoone and the Thompsons

I also though the referee was very poor, Castlerahan got early yellow cards, and when Daly was taken out before Paul Smith was possibly fouled for a pen, the ball was brought back, but no card issued.....also should Thompson not have got a black for a tackle on Sean Brady late on? And the slow kick outs....he threw the ball up once....surely to stop the slow play he needed to do it every time?

Had Castlerahan been more economical they could have won, but I suspect Clontibret would have given them a right clipping

rrs · 07-11-2019 5:32pm

Yeah the Glenties had good physical players, and bought on 2 subs who were part of the Donegal All Ireland winning squad in 2012,Brick Molloy and Marty Boyle
Leo McGloone and Anthony Thompson were obviously involved too, 4 players with All Irelands a good help for a club team..

The Castlerahan goalie Leahy made a great save in first half but his kickouts were terrible. They were poor in Co final against Ramor also, but Ramor didn't punish it..
1-7 of Glenties scores came as a results of poor kickouts

Cavan_King · 10-11-2019 10:47pm

Yevon wrote: »

At least we were competitive I suppose. The policy of getting a few weeks between the county final the the first round of Ulster needs to continue and hopefully we'll get a trophy at one of the levels in the next few years.

Castlerahan weren’t competitive. Glenties were blitzing them in both halves until they tired. Had Glenties been fully fit, I fear what the score line could have been.

I heard some pundits say before the game Glenties should be writing it off.

We’re talking about our county champions who had 3/4 weeks to prepare losing to a team who had to be dead on their feet and who were drinking 3 days before the game. It’s a farce.

I spoke to a man who was at the Clontibret Cross game after the Killinkere match. He said it was light years ahead of anything you’d see in Cavan in terms of intensity and quality.

rrs · 12-11-2019 8:03pm

Not sure what new players are in with County training?From watching a few games, there wasn't many standing out. James Brady was decent with Ramor and would be worth looking at, as would Cole but probaly not interested.

A few of the U20 team might be brought in. Cormac Timoney, Cian Madden, Patrick Lynch.

Outside of that, Evan Doughty, Ryan Connolly, Conor Smith would be worth a look. Smith back after injury was impressive for Killygarry. He's a bit small but serious speed.

The National League fixtures still not officially revealed, whatever that's about

Cavan_King · 17-11-2019 10:14pm

rrs wrote: »

Not sure what new players are in with County training?From watching a few games, there wasn't many standing out. James Brady was decent with Ramor and would be worth looking at, as would Cole but probaly not interested.

A few of the U20 team might be brought in. Cormac Timoney, Cian Madden, Patrick Lynch.

Outside of that, Evan Doughty, Ryan Connolly, Conor Smith would be worth a look. Smith back after injury was impressive for Killygarry. He's a bit small but serious speed.

The National League fixtures still not officially revealed, whatever that's about

Cavan play Monaghan in a challenge for a charity in Clones on 1st December so we might get a better idea of the panel then.

I’m not too worried about the backs. Would like to see a new midfielder or two and a couple of corner forwards.

rrs · 24-11-2019 12:21pm

McGee back on the panel, Evan Douthy in and Cormac Reilly Mullahoran. A few have opted out. Anyone know who?

baconsarnie · 26-11-2019 5:58pm

Fixtures finally announced so we can all make some plans!!!

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/Article/Index/306270

Thunderbirds · 26-11-2019 6:22pm

rrs wrote: »

Yeah the Glenties had good physical players, and bought on 2 subs who were part of the Donegal All Ireland winning squad in 2012,Brick Molloy and Marty Boyle
Leo McGloone and Anthony Thompson were obviously involved too, 4 players with All Irelands a good help for a club team..

The Castlerahan goalie Leahy made a great save in first half but his kickouts were terrible. They were poor in Co final against Ramor also, but Ramor didn't punish it..
1-7 of Glenties scores came as a results of poor kickouts

In county final Castlerahan only lost one of their own kickouts.

Cavan_King · 26-11-2019 11:04pm

rrs wrote: »

McGee back on the panel, Evan Douthy in and Cormac Reilly Mullahoran. A few have opted out. Anyone know who?

News this evening that Killian Clarke is gone. With him, McVeety & Moynagh absent next year, that’s three huge losses.

Then, on the other hand, some of the names called into the panel wouldn’t give me huge confidence.

It could be a long year ahead.

Cavan_King · 27-11-2019 7:14pm

Yevon wrote: »

I thought Moynagh was travelling but said he'd be back?

Clarke is a big loss and added to McVeety's absence that's maybe 20% of the core of quality placers that have been keeping us at a high level.

It's interesting that himself and McVeety have both said they have fallen out of love with the game the year after we reached an Ulster final. You would think that they would have loved the experience of a first Ulster Championship run in years and a day out for the final. Maybe the hammering from Donegal just soured it all and the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze.

Well hopefully some other lads will step up. We were in dire straights going into Division 2 a couple of years ago and came good. This year looks tougher though.

Getting terrible abuse off so-called “supporters” hasn’t helped I’d imagine. All that effort and very little thanks for it.

Conor Bradley gone to Dunboyne from Ramor too.

celt262 · 27-11-2019 8:35pm

Yevon wrote: »

I thought Moynagh was travelling but said he'd be back?
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Mcvitty said the same but people are saying he is gone for the year.

baconsarnie · 28-11-2019 11:33am

It's typical Cavan- always starting from scratch, never building from a platform. Despite the last two outings when we got shellackings, I was hopeful going into 2020. First full year for Mickey and the management to really put a shape on their panel. Best championship we had for years, solid back six to build a platform on with the hope that some forwards (Madden, Pierson, O'Reilly and Stephen Murray) could kick on with others (Bradley, Conor Smith) come back. Plus division 2 is more fun when we can actually put a few wins together!

However, almost all of my optimism has almost evaporated over the last few days. Three absolutely key players. Moynagh was close to a revelation this year, easily our most consistent player in league and championship (was head and shoulders above anyone on the park when we lost to Monaghan in the league).

Mc Veety has been our best forward since McGlennan accidentally placed him there against Donegal in the league in 2017, and was getting better and better in that role.

Clarke is much maligned but has suffered from never nailing down a specific place. He's adaptable and that has been to his detriment. I'm still not certain that he's an intercounty centre half back but his performances against Armagh were superb. I still think he's a full back but that's besides the point.

I'm ignoring any chat of "Dublin / Kerry / Mayo lads don't drop off the panel" as that's not where we are at. I don't follow other counties at our level, but how often do the likes of Kildare, Galway, Laois, Roscommon or Westmeath consistently have key lads walk off their panel? I don't mean lads who are on a panel of 40 and get the hump that they never breakthrough. Yet again we have 3 starters throwing the towel in. Is that common? I can only remember Jamie Clarke doing it.

I've not heard any comments from Moynagh but from the We are Cavan interview with McVeety and Clarke's statement in the Celt both lads were totally burned out and had lost the passion for playing for their county. I'm not knocking their commitment, they are training and putting in hours none of us keyboard warriors could contemplate even when we were younger!

Is it linked with the ridiculously high expectations in Cavan for success that are not based on the last 50 years of reality? Did lads coming through really think the future was blue and are now thinking of walking away?

Surely other lads in counties where silverware is a pipe dream manage to sustain themselves surely on pride in their jersey. Declan Browne in Tipp is always the example used: probably the best forward of his generation but in a team that languished between division 3 and 4. To my knowledge he just got on with it (i will stand corrected if someone knows better).

Anyways, aside from all that, I still have high hopes of a decent division 2 run and maybe even promotion. While Division 2 isn't as poor as 2018, it's still no great shakes (and I would argue going into 2018 we were in a worse state, a total shambles really). The Rossies will be favourites to go up and maybe Kildare aren't far away. Fermanagh will struggle. Laois are no great shakes and we have nothing to fear from Clare, Westmeath or Armagh.

I genuinely believe that Mickey Graham will have us playing decent football. If we can sort out midfield (still prefer Gearoid on the 40), get more out of Gerry Smith, have the Holla back fit and raring to go, keep Niall Murray on frees and work on our kick out strategy, who knows....

Cavan fans in the last 10 years seem to have two emotions: either we are on the cusp of world domination or we are doomed before the ball is thrown in. I'm going for cautious optimism. Roll on Sunday, hopefully some new faces....

cavan4sam · 28-11-2019 12:32pm

Great post Bacon sarnie
maybe in a round about way it might be no harm with the lads walking away.
it may give other lads a chance to become key players where as before they may have felt shackled as a lot of our play went through moynagh & mc veety (deservedly so)

I don't think its all doom & gloom the pressure is now off us and hopefully as you said mickey will have us playing a nice style of football

Looking forward to sunday and rivalries aside Elaine & Anthony are great people and great gaels & hopefully the game gets great support and raises a lot of money
So folks wrap up well and support this great family

baconsarnie · 28-11-2019 1:10pm

cavan4sam wrote: »

Looking forward to sunday and rivalries aside Elaine & Anthony are great people and great gaels & hopefully the game gets great support and raises a lot of money
So folks wrap up well and support this great family

I'm raging I am going to miss it but will make sure to make a donation regardless. Am i right in thinking there will be a Patreon livestream?

But i think a lot of us are going cold turkey so a December match, regardless of the conditioning and conditions would be a welcome distraction.

Can't wait for a few McKenna cup games over the Christmas. That worked a treat last year.

rrs · 28-11-2019 6:34pm

Rehill had a good year in his first year so maybe a few will develop like him. Not sure if Adam O Connell and Mark McGee are involved, they are 2 good athletic players.

Conor Smith is a very good player, He just lacks size which is a problem with Cavan players.
James Smith had a year on the panel so maybe that year of being involved will bring him on next year same with Oisin Pierson and Stephen Smith.

baconsarnie · 28-11-2019 8:45pm

rrs wrote: »

Not sure if Adam O Connell and Mark McGee are involved, they are 2 good athletic players.

Good point made on the We Are Cavan podcast about naming the panel and ending speculation. Massive bugbear of mine. With Cavan these days its like the third secret of Fatima. Has such and such been called in? Is there a row in the camp and all that nonsense.

Name it, here are the players who were called in and have stepped up. No point moaning about who should or could make a difference (I await a David Givney has moved home rumor at some stage next week...).

Much like a defiant McVeety said in 2018, if people don't want to play for Cavan then we shouldn't be talking about them.

tanko · 30-11-2019 6:59pm

When and where is this Cavan v Monaghan game??

baconsarnie · 30-11-2019 7:06pm

tanko wrote: »

When and where is this Cavan v Monaghan game??

Clones, throw in at 2 tomorrow

Tinkerbell4484 · 30-11-2019 9:39pm

baconsarnie wrote: »

Clones, throw in at 2 tomorrow

Is there tickets for this or pay at the gate?

Cavan_King · 30-11-2019 9:54pm

rrs wrote: »

Rehill had a good year in his first year so maybe a few will develop like him. Not sure if Adam O Connell and Mark McGee are involved, they are 2 good athletic players.

Conor Smith is a very good player, He just lacks size which is a problem with Cavan players.
James Smith had a year on the panel so maybe that year of being involved will bring him on next year same with Oisin Pierson and Stephen Smith.

James Smith struggling with injury at the minute unfortunately, as is Patrick Lynch from Crosserlough. A pity as I wanted to see those two lads involved.

Look, it’s unfortunate to lose the three lads but with some of the craic that went on last year (sessions after the Mayo & Monaghan league games, the Ulster final party bus debacle), it may be no harm to allow some fresh blood in.

Mickey will work with what he has and make the most of it.

baconsarnie · 01-12-2019 1:42pm

Tinkerbell4484 wrote: »

Is there tickets for this or pay at the gate?

Pay on the gate. Also is a patreon live broadcast for those of us who can’t make it

rrs · 01-12-2019 4:43pm

They lost to Monaghan by 3. Monaghan had a few regulars playing and on panel, Cavan hadn't many. Ryan Connolly seemed to perform well, 6 or 7 pts, most from play.

baconsarnie · 01-12-2019 5:16pm

rrs wrote: »

They lost to Monaghan by 3. Monaghan had a few regulars playing and on panel, Cavan hadn't many. Ryan Connolly seemed to perform well, 6 or 7 pts, most from play.

Cheers. I spent about 30 minutes trying to get the Patreon livestream to work and had to pack it in. Luddite that I am no doubt I was doing something completely wrong. Saw the panel for today, more or less brand new. Would be great if Connolly is back in, fantastic free taker and bags of potential.

rrs · 01-12-2019 5:26pm

Yes, I couldn't get the patreon link to work either. I was planning to listen to it while watching the Ulster Club final.

The pace of that Kilcoo team is serious

Cavan_King · 01-12-2019 6:17pm

baconsarnie wrote: »

Cheers. I spent about 30 minutes trying to get the Patreon livestream to work and had to pack it in. Luddite that I am no doubt I was doing something completely wrong. Saw the panel for today, more or less brand new. Would be great if Connolly is back in, fantastic free taker and bags of potential.

Today was being treated as a trial game by management.

Connolly looked a cut above. I think he missed every free he took though, including one very easy one from 20 yards in front of the goal. Hopefully just nerves. Kicking did seem difficult for some reason because even Beggan had an off day.

Andy Graham played full forward first half and looked lively. Plenty of speed in him. Ronan Patterson went into full forward second half.

Donal Monahan looked good when he came on. Shame he wasn’t on earlier.

Evan Fortune decent start at midfield.

Cavan_King · 01-12-2019 7:24pm

Yevon wrote: »

Connolly has been on the frees with Cavan before and was woeful. Maybe needs time to settle onto them but could be another Ray Galligan, can do it at club but not county.

I'd question if Galligan can do it at club level even. I've seen him in some club games and he has been poor. For me, he's a 60% man, not the 80% we need. Your county free taker should be nailing every free he takes at club level.

Connolly I heard was superb for his club last year. Worth a try. He really looks to have added a bit of conditioning too. A couple of years back I remember him coming on in games and looking like a strong breeze would blow him over.

I don't see why we'd change from Niall Murray as free taker anyway to be honest. He was very good last year.

rrs · 01-12-2019 8:16pm

I don't know why it took that long to play Niall Murray in the forwards. That's where he always played under age and was the free taker with Cavan Gaels Minors. He was a good half forward on the U21 team in 2011, but then converted into a half back when he got on the Senior team.

quidel · 01-12-2019 8:25pm

CN certainly need to start this season with their freetakers decided upon. It was a massive problem last year for a lot of the season and all the switching about inspired very little confidence. Hopefully some of the newer additions to the panel are pushing hard to make an impact.

baconsarnie · 01-12-2019 8:46pm

Yevon wrote: »

Connolly has been on the frees with Cavan before and was woeful. Maybe needs time to settle onto them but could be another Ray Galligan, can do it at club but not county.

I’ll stand corrected but from memory Connolly got a limited run in 2017 and always seemed to be on as a late sub rather than a starter. Not ideal for a young free taker, but he definitely missed a few easy ones in the league that year. I still think he’s a class free taker and worth giving a decent run.

As noted, Murray was excellent when he finally got on frees. The lack of a free taker killed us in several games. And both Murrays need to play as forwards. Was great to see Niall in particular backing himself for scores from the Monaghan game onwards whereas before that he always seemed to look to offload. He’s a class player and is more than capable of kicking from distance.

Cavan_King · 01-12-2019 9:34pm

baconsarnie wrote: »

I’ll stand corrected but from memory Connolly got a limited run in 2017 and always seemed to be on as a late sub rather than a starter. Not ideal for a young free taker, but he definitely missed a few easy ones in the league that year. I still think he’s a class free taker and won’t giving a decent run.

As noted, Murray was excellent when he finally got on frees. The lack of a free taker killed us in several games. And both Murrays need to play as forwards. Was great to see Niall in particular backing himself for scores from the Monaghan game onwards whereas before that he always seemed to look to offload. He’s a class player and is more than capable of kicking from distance.

Had Murray been taking the frees for the League last year I honestly think we may have stayed up. Kerry at home was a vital game. We were 4 or 5 points ahead at half time, Kerry started coming back in the second half and Galligan missed the frees when we needed them over. A week or two later I was watching Meath play Armagh in Division 2 and the difference was, when Meath needed the scores, Newman knocked them over. A reliable free taker is invaluable.

The one thing I noticed about Cavan today was the physical aspect. Fergal McKenna, Donal Monahan, Kian Monahan, Brian Magee, Evan Fortune, Luke Molloy, Paul Gilcreest, Ronan Patterson - all big men. For me, it looked a more physical Cavan team in stature than I've seen in a few years. Even Connolly looked, as a mentioned previously, to have added some much needed conditioning to his frame.

I think Mickey has looked at Tyrone and Donegal last year and realized we're at a physical disadvantage and is looking to try and weigh that out (pun intended!).

Even with the departures, I'd remain optimistic. We still have McLoughlin, Faulkner, Rehill, G. Smith and Brady to pin down the backline. Magee and Evan Fortune looked like they will give options at midfield today, alongside Paul Graham, Conor Brady and Thomas Galligan. Then in the forwards you've Murray, Martin Reilly, Conor Madden and can add in what I think could be three huge additions in Connolly, Conor Smith and Caomihin if we can see the best of him.

quidel · 01-12-2019 10:20pm

Definitely agree that a consistently performing freetaker in last years league campaign was a big miss to any chances Cavan had of surviving in Div 1. The game versus a Monaghan a case in point!
Would be great to see some added physicality in future Cavan teams. Despite a few absences, hopefully a fairly solid and settled side can be established by management. Definitely more firepower needed upfront this coming season.

baconsarnie · 04-12-2019 11:18pm

So it’s Tyrone and Armagh in the McKenna cup.

quidel · 05-12-2019 12:32am

baconsarnie wrote: »

So it’s Tyrone and Armagh in the McKenna cup.

Doubtful there will be too many first team regulars seeing game time. A competition for players on the fringes. Not sure the McKenna Cup holds the interest it might have done for counties in years past.

celt262 · 05-12-2019 8:06am

quidel wrote: »

Doubtful there will be too many first team regulars seeing game time. A competition for players on the fringes. Not sure the McKenna Cup holds the interest it might have done for counties in years past.

Fringe players is right.

baconsarnie · 05-12-2019 3:50pm

quidel wrote: »

Doubtful there will be too many first team regulars seeing game time. A competition for players on the fringes. Not sure the McKenna Cup holds the interest it might have done for counties in years past.

Im not so sure. With the league happening so soon afterwards I would guess that at least 10 of the starters in Mc Kenna cup will be the same ones come the league. Certainly was the case for the first game last year against Down.

Cavan_King · 06-12-2019 11:14pm

baconsarnie wrote: »

Im not so sure. With the league happening so soon afterwards I would guess that at least 10 of the starters in Mc Kenna cup will be the same ones come the league. Certainly was the case for the first game last year against Down.

Last year first McKenna Cup game:

CAVAN: R Galligan 0-3, 1f, 2x '45'; S O'Connor, P Faulkner, C Moynagh; S Murray, C Brady 0-2, M Stuart; M Argue, T Galligan; M Reilly, N Murray 0-1, S Cadden 0-1; P Smith 0-1f, S Smith 0-2, 1f, C Madden 0-2

Last year first League game:

Cavan: Raymond Galligan (0-1, 0-1f); Jason McLoughlin, Killian Clarke, Padraig Faulkner; Martin Reilly (0-02, 0-01f), Barry Fortune, Conor Rehill; Thomas Galligan, Michael Argue; Pierce Smith (0-02, 0-02f), Jack Brady (0-02, 0-1sl), Niall Murray; Ciaran Brady, Dara McVeety, Conor Madden (0-02, 0-01f).

7 matching players between the two teams. I’d expect less emphasis to be placed on the McKenna Cup this year though. Last year there were a number of new rules implemented so the McKenna Cup had more importance.

Apparently Mickey and the panel are gearing up for a good run at the League. The first game vs Armagh is tough but win it and you’ve a run of four games we should be winning before we finish away to Kildare and home to Roscommon.

It’s interesting to look back at the first League game and see that players like Pierce Smith, Mick Argue & Barry Fortune started as they rarely featured going forward.

Cavan_King · 15-12-2019 12:33pm

New county chairman who appears to be, from what he is saying anyway, taking a proactive approach and wants to change some things. That is good to hear.

Just two weeks away today from the first McKenna Cup game.

I don't particularly care about the result, as we've the same opposition in the first League game so no point giving anything away, but looking forward to the game nonetheless.

There seems to be a real negativity around the county senior team at the minute but let's get behind the lads are on the panel.

From what I'm hearing, they are putting in a huge effort training 5-6 times a week and any lad who is doing that deserves, if nothing else, respect.

celt262 · 15-12-2019 7:15pm

Cavan_King wrote: »

From what I'm hearing, they are putting in a huge effort training 5-6 times a week and any lad who is doing that deserves, if nothing else, respect.

No wonder lads have had enough its serious commitment.

quidel · 16-12-2019 12:14am

Counties like Monaghan and Kerry have released to the media their panels for the coming year. Pity CN wouldn’t do the same. Surely it would be less likely players would be dropping out of panels in Nov/Dec if they were named for the upcoming season? Don’t know why the current situation persists and it becomes a guessing game which fuels the rumour mill.

Cavan_King · 16-12-2019 9:50pm

quidel wrote: »

Counties like Monaghan and Kerry have released to the media their panels for the coming year. Pity CN wouldn’t do the same. Surely it would be less likely players would be dropping out of panels in Nov/Dec if they were named for the upcoming season? Don’t know why the current situation persists and it becomes a guessing game which fuels the rumour mill.

You're listening to too much of the lads on We Are Cavan! They've been championing the naming of a county panel. I think last year Mickey operated an open panel so that is perhaps why one hasn't been named.

Last year there was a panel of players named in one of the match programmes at some stage though, not sure if it was McKenna Cup or League but I think League.

I did notice Martin Cahill comment in an interview that each player costs about 10k to keep on board so that is perhaps why they don't want to run 40-45 of a panel.

rrs · 18-12-2019 10:06pm

I see Conor Redhill isn't playing County next year either.

celt262 · 19-12-2019 12:35am

rrs wrote: »

I see Conor Redhill isn't playing County next year either.

Where u see that?

baconsarnie · 19-12-2019 8:05am

celt262 wrote: »

Where u see that?

Paul Fitzpatrick tweeted it yesterday. I hear there’s more as well. So at least 5 maybe 6 from last years panel.

Just announce it and be over and done with it. We have who we have and we should have enough, if we’ll managed, to challenge Kildare and the Rossies.

Cavan_King · 19-12-2019 8:49am

baconsarnie wrote: »

Paul Fitzpatrick tweeted it yesterday. I hear there’s more as well. So at least 5 maybe 6 from last years panel.

Just announce it and be over and done with it. We have who we have and we should have enough, if we’ll managed, to challenge Kildare and the Rossies.

Was the tweet deleted? I'm just checking his tweets here and can't see it. I checked and just found one reference to him stepping away on Twitter and no source to it.

I'd agree re your second paragraph. Whoever is there is there and we can and should concentrate on those.

We still have the bulk of a strong squad with players like Faulkner, McLoughlin, Gerry Smith, Ciaran Brady, Niall Murray, Martin Reilly and Gearoid McKiernan.

I was at a lot of Division 2 games last year with my in-laws from Meath and the year in Division 1, some of those lads above now have two years, should have really strengthened our lads because Division 2 level is quite a drop in quality based on what I saw last year.

Kildare and the Rossies are the teams to watch though. Kildare were unfortunate last year in that it came down to a game that was pretty much a play off between them and Meath and it was in Navan. Meath won with an injury time penalty but going on what I saw of both teams later in the championship I'd argue Kildare are the better team.

baconsarnie · 19-12-2019 8:55am

It was a Tweet from Paul in response to Tomas O Se and it’s still there if you follow the discussion

https://twitter.com/tomas5ky/status/1207271685952540672

But you’re 100% right Division 2 aside from those two teams are no great shakes.

rrs · 19-12-2019 9:39am

Armagh will be thereabouts. McGeeney going into his 6th year will want promotion. They have Oisin 0 Neill back after injury, he missed all of 2019. A great talent. They really should have beaten Cavan in the drawn game. Cavan played good stuff in the reply.
Cavan will be without McKiernan for half of the League because of operation No Caoimhin Reilly either.

Roscommon are down 5 or 6 for 2020. Diarmuid and Ciaran Murtagh in particular big losses.
Laois will struggle and Clare are without the 2 All Star nominated players from 2019. Brennan and Jamie Malone.

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