Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

murpho999 · 05-06-2018 12:04pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

'Turning into" we are not there yet but there is a noticable transition going on looking at the overall picture, not just crime.

No we're not. People are just dramatising.

What "noticable tranistion" is happening?

GiftofGab · 05-06-2018 12:04pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Why do people always say "it's not as bad as other countries"? What relevance has that? One senseless killing is a senseless killing too many, why do people try to justify it because we have a lower crime/murder rate than other countries.

I remember reading one year that Dublin was the gun murder capital of Europe. More people were murdered by gun crime that any other city in Europe...and they weren't talking about per capita. Crazy for a small city.
London has mostly knife crime.

murpho999 · 05-06-2018 12:06pm

GiftofGab wrote: »

I remember reading one year that Dublin was the gun murder capital of Europe. More people were murdered by gun crime that any other city in Europe...and they weren't talking about per capita. Crazy for a small city.
London has mostly knife crime.

So where the terrorist attacks in Paris that killed over 80 people not "gun crime"?
Here's an article from the UK showing the unsafest cities in Europe. Belfast makes the list.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-17-most-unsafe-cities-in-europe-a6895511.html

P.Walnuts · 05-06-2018 12:06pm

GiftofGab wrote: »

I remember reading one year that Dublin was the gun murder capital of Europe. More people were murdered by gun crime that any other city in Europe...and they weren't talking about per capita. Crazy for a small city.
London has mostly knife crime.

Source?

tomofson · 05-06-2018 12:07pm

GiftofGab wrote: »

I remember reading one year that Dublin was the gun murder capital of Europe. More people were murdered by gun crime that any other city in Europe...and they weren't talking about per capita. Crazy for a small city.
London has mostly knife crime.

There was a lot more gun murders in Dublin and indeed the whole of Ireland ten years ago than there is nowadays.

The murders seem to be just more sensationalized now.

05-06-2018 12:07pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Source?

Arse.

RacoonQueen · 05-06-2018 12:08pm

tomofson wrote: »

That is the way you are reading it?

I was pointing out to those hyperbole types that its not as bad as they think or are trying to make it out to be, thats all. Nobody justified it.

Each recent thread. Ana/Jastine/Cameron has had people talking about how we have a low crime/murder rate. So yes, it can come across as people saying that the death of the innocent person doesn't matter as much because our murder rate is 'low'.

tomofson · 05-06-2018 12:09pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Each recent thread. Ana/Jastine/Cameron has had people talking about how we have a low crime/murder rate. So yes, it comes across as if the death of the innocent person doesn't matter because our murder rate is 'low'.

And those comments where most likely in response to some sensationalist posters hyperbole.

ChikiChiki · 05-06-2018 12:09pm

murpho999 wrote: »

No we're not. People are just dramatising.

What "noticable tranistion" is happening?

Fine, if your happy with a shoddy legal system, poor health system, a brutal housing market, an under resourced and badly mismanaged police force and insurance cartels by all means it might be a utopia for you. It isn't for many.

We should aspire to be world leaders and not accept mediocrity as you are. Not derailing further.

Grayson · 05-06-2018 12:11pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sure, but on the other hand if society is in a state of change from good to bad, that's obviously a concern, no? The murder rate in Ireland is indeed low - and most of us would like it to stay that way, which is why any anomalous period of violence in society is concerning as a trend.

It's only anomalous if you take it out of context. The murder rate per day here is less than one. So any day in which there is a murder is above average. To get a few murders in a few weeks doesn't indicate a worrying trend if the only sample you use is those weeks.

The fact is that the occurrences of murders does not follow a regular distribution patterns. If we average one a week then we would have two some weeks and zero others. The arrival pattern for these events is irregular in the short term but in the long term shows a pattern. In fact it's to be expected that we will see short term increases and decreases.

Titzon Toast · 05-06-2018 12:12pm

One lad apparently shot three times in his leg. Must've been a machine gun used?

05-06-2018 12:12pm

Grayson wrote: »

It's only anomalous if you take it out of context. The murder rate per day here is less than one. So any day in which there is a murder is above average. To get a few murders in a few weeks doesn't indicate a worrying trend if the only sample you use is those weeks.

The fact is that the occurrences of murders does not follow a regular distribution patterns. If we average one a week then we would have two some weeks and zero others. The arrival pattern for these events is irregular in the short term but in the long term shows a pattern. In fact it's to be expected that we will see short term increases and decreases.

Is that you Leo?

tomofson · 05-06-2018 12:13pm

Helicopter is circling the Dun Laoghaire area, it must be doing the laps from bray and all around the wider areas.

Does anyone know if pete taylors injuries are life threatening or not, conflicting reports from different news lets regarding his current condition.

corner of hells · 05-06-2018 12:14pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Fine, if your happy with a shoddy legal system, poor health system, a brutal housing market, an under resourced and badly mismanaged police force and insurance cartels by all means it might be a utopia for you. It isn't for many.

We should aspire to be world leaders and not accept mediocrity as you are. Not derailing further.

That's some post , from a discussion about a shooting barely investigated you manage to drag the HSE , housing , Gardai and insurance into.

Your post is the equivalent of a madman's ****e , all over the place.

murpho999 · 05-06-2018 12:14pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Fine, if your happy with a shoddy legal system, poor health system, a brutal housing market, an under resourced and badly mismanaged police force and insurance cartels by all means it might be a utopia for you. It isn't for many.

We should aspire to be world leaders and not accept mediocrity as you are. Not derailing further.

Ha it's so easy to just pick a few negative things and then say the whole country is a shambles whilst ignoring the many positives.

w/s/p/c/ · 05-06-2018 12:19pm

There's screen shots doing the rounds on whatsapp of one lad saying he was shot 3 times in the leg and Taylor shot in the chest

weisses · 05-06-2018 12:34pm

Are Muslims being blamed yet ? .... Just checking

Grayson · 05-06-2018 12:36pm

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Is that you Leo?

It's me Charlie. And I have ID to prove it.

irishrover99 · 05-06-2018 12:41pm

seamus wrote: »

The description of a white van with UK reg plates suggest it was probably a traveller gang who carried out this shooting.
.

What a load of crap Columbo

torres9kop · 05-06-2018 12:42pm

Nothing but lowlife scumbags that follow and participate in boxing and Mma etc. Filth

Mongfinder General · 05-06-2018 12:42pm

weisses wrote: »

Are Muslims being blamed yet ? .... Just checking

More than likely Catholics. Bring back the penal laws!

FTA69 · 05-06-2018 12:42pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Source?

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-europe-69575922-237669061

I remember that being a common tale alright back around then.

ohnonotgmail · 05-06-2018 12:42pm

Grayson wrote: »

It's only anomalous if you take it out of context. The murder rate per day here is less than one. So any day in which there is a murder is above average. To get a few murders in a few weeks doesn't indicate a worrying trend if the only sample you use is those weeks.

The fact is that the occurrences of murders does not follow a regular distribution patterns. If we average one a week then we would have two some weeks and zero others. The arrival pattern for these events is irregular in the short term but in the long term shows a pattern. In fact it's to be expected that we will see short term increases and decreases.

it would be like that article a short while ago that used data from a few weeks in london to "prove" that it had a higher murder rate than new york. People generally have a very poor understanding of statistics and there are plenty of journalists happy to take advantage of that to create sensational headlines.

Donald Trump · 05-06-2018 12:43pm

Mongfinder General wrote: »

weisses wrote: »

Are Muslims being blamed yet ? .... Just checking

More than likely Catholics. Bring back the penal laws!

Did someone say penile?

steddyeddy · 05-06-2018 12:44pm

tomofson wrote: »

Either related to the Hutch kinahan feud or traveller feud, your guess is as good as mine at this stage.

Most likely Hutch kinahan, didn't the hutches use vans like that in a previous high profiled attack.

Someone mentioned a name on journal.ie regarding the deceased, name doesn't ring any bells regarding organized crime.

I have to say the sooner that gang falls on its own sword the better.

tomofson · 05-06-2018 12:55pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I have to say the sooner that gang falls on its own sword the better.

I think they are both currently slipping on their own swords, The Hutches probably closer to the blade than the kinahans though.

Wexford Doyle · 05-06-2018 12:57pm

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Another Hutch hit (obvious by the fact the target wasn’t the one who was killed).

tomofson wrote: »

Either related to the Hutch kinahan feud or traveller feud, your guess is as good as mine at this stage.

Most likely Hutch kinahan, didn't the hutches use vans like that in a previous high profiled attack.

Someone mentioned a name on journal.ie regarding the deceased, name doesn't ring any bells regarding organized crime.

I don't get it - what high-profile attack?

What do you mean by saying the Hutch gang have missed their intended targets before? Any specific incidents?

tomofson · 05-06-2018 1:05pm

Wexford Doyle wrote: »

I don't get it - what high-profile attack?

What do you mean by saying the Hutch gang have missed their intended targets before? Any specific incidents?

Are you just acting the ejit or what?

05-06-2018 1:06pm

tomofson wrote: »

Are you just acting the ejit or what?

Username gives a hint!

tomofson · 05-06-2018 1:16pm

Victims age went from 30 to 50.

pablo128 · 05-06-2018 1:20pm

tomofson wrote: »

Victims age went from 30 to 50.

I got a WhatsApp pic of him and he looked older than 30 alright. When I googled his name I got nothing. Maybe they did get the wrong guy.

tomofson · 05-06-2018 1:21pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I got a WhatsApp pic of him and he looked older than 30 alright. When I googled his name I got nothing. Maybe they did get the wrong guy.

I'm guessing he resembled pete a little bit thats why they shot him straight away, before noticing they got the wrong fella then shot at pete.

Just a theory.

pablo128 · 05-06-2018 1:32pm

tomofson wrote: »

I'm guessing he resembled pete a little bit thats why they shot him straight away, before noticing they got the wrong fella then shot at pete.

Just a theory.

Not going by the pic I got. Pete would be far more well built. But I don't know tbh.

2forjoy · 05-06-2018 1:41pm

Either way Pete is a marked man now.
He be best advised to emigrate / join Katie in USA.

PandaPoo · 05-06-2018 1:45pm

I didn't realise that Pete Taylor owned that gym. We feed the swans there twice a week, there's really fancy cars parked outside sometimes. Now I know why !

05-06-2018 1:48pm

PandaPoo wrote: »

I didn't realise that Pete Taylor owned that gym. We feed the swans there twice a week, there's really fancy cars parked outside sometimes. Now I know why !

Runs it.
He owns the white Mustang thats usually parked outside.

Gadgetman496 · 05-06-2018 1:48pm

PandaPoo wrote: »

I didn't realise that Pete Taylor owned that gym. We feed the swans there twice a week, there's really fancy cars parked outside sometimes. Now I know why !

He doesn't own it, he runs it. Bray Town Council own it.

pablo128 · 05-06-2018 1:50pm

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

He doesn't own it, he runs it.

I would say his contract might be terminated. The building is council owned, isn't it?

Kimbot · 05-06-2018 1:51pm

weisses wrote: »

Are Muslims being blamed yet ? .... Just checking

MOD Enough of that now!

tomofson · 05-06-2018 1:51pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I would say his contract might be terminated. The building is council owned, isn't it?

I'd imagine thats the last of his worries after today, I dont think you would be seeing too much of him around that gym in the future anyway.

05-06-2018 1:53pm

tomofson wrote: »

I'd imagine thats the last of his worries after today, I dont think you would be seeing too much of him around that gym in the future anyway.

Or any gym if he wants to avoid criminals.

Sponge25 · 05-06-2018 2:04pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

FYP

I grew up in Bray and i've never noticed this apart from a few areas like any other big town.

djPSB · 05-06-2018 2:04pm

The incidents in the past few weeks here have to be seriously concerning.

The Philippines student killed in Dublin.

Another young girl killed and left in a farmhouse.

18 year old murdered in Meath.

The boxing club shootings.

If this was happening in any other country, you wouldn't go near it.

torres9kop · 05-06-2018 2:07pm

3 places in Ireland to avoid and you should be alright. Limerick Bray and north inner city Dublin

allthedoyles · 05-06-2018 2:07pm

djPSB wrote: »

The incidents in the past few weeks here have to be seriously concerning.

The Philippines student killed in Dublin.

Another young girl killed and left in a farmhouse.

18 year old murdered in Meath.

The boxing club shootings.

If this was happening in any other country, you wouldn't go near it.

Thanks............we have our holidays booked in a nearby hotel end of June

Adamocovic · 05-06-2018 2:07pm

So let me get this straight.

-Boxing Gym in Bray has been training members of MTK boxing agency for free
-MTK apparently has links with the Kinahan cartel
-It was an MTK event in the Regency when there was the shooting at the weigh-in a couple of years back
-An associated of the Kinahan cartel was shot and killed during that shooting
-Now there is a shooting in the Gym in Bray.

Think it's safe to say it's gang related.
I know it sounds harsh but the article linked earlier shows Peter Taylor didn't care about the risk involved, saying he'll train who he wants to. He surely must have been aware of previous incidents and the risks involved. I feel worse for Katie.

As a boxing fan I absolutely hate the association with gangs that it seems to have.

The Talking Bread · 05-06-2018 2:09pm

djPSB wrote: »

The incidents in the past few weeks here have to be seriously concerning.

The Philippines student killed in Dublin.

Another young girl killed and left in a farmhouse.

18 year old murdered in Meath.

The boxing club shootings.

If this was happening in any other country, you wouldn't go near it.

Nonsense talk

Dr Brown · 05-06-2018 2:09pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

Thanks............we have our holidays booked in a nearby hotel end of June

Sure its all part of living in sh1thole country some might say.

tomofson · 05-06-2018 2:11pm

djPSB wrote: »

The incidents in the past few weeks here have to be seriously concerning.

The Philippines student killed in Dublin.

Another young girl killed and left in a farmhouse.

18 year old murdered in Meath.

The boxing club shootings.

If this was happening in any other country, you wouldn't go near it.

It happens in every single country on the planet though, if you didn't go near any country where crimes like this happen you wouldn't do as much as leave your village.

The Talking Bread · 05-06-2018 2:12pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

allthedoyles wrote: »

Thanks............we have our holidays booked in a nearby hotel end of June

Sure its all part of living in sh1thole country some might say.

Ireland is not a sh*thole

Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

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