Shooting at Bray Boxing Club, 1 killed, 2 seriously injured...

http://www.thejournal.ie/bray-shooting-2-4053140-Jun2018/

Three men have been taken to hospital in a "serious condition" following an early morning shooting at Bray Boxing Club, one of them "critical".

The shooter(s) reportedly fled in a silver/white van with "British number plates".

Newstalk are discussing it as gangland-related.

White lighting

Pete Taylor one of the three shot. One man dead. I wonder has this any connection to Petes relationship with the extremely controversial boxing gym/team MKM

GM228

White lighting wrote: »

Pete Taylor one of the three shot. One man dead. I wonder has this any connection to Petes relationship with the extremely controversial boxing gym/team MKM

Remember this

https://independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-can-train-who-i-want-says-pete-taylor-after-kinahan-boxer-link-revealed-35983399.html

"I can train who I want"....

Beechwoodspark

English reg van apparently

DellyBelly

Boxing seems to attract the scummiest of people. Even though I'd have a passing interest in would never attend a fight night in Ireland.

DellyBelly

DellyBelly wrote: »

Boxing seems to attract the scummiest of people. Even though I'd have a passing interest in would never attend a fight night in Ireland.

It’s an awful thing for all the decent people involved in boxing who wouldn’t want any part of this. Katie Taylor and her mother have been deeply hurt by the actions of her father versus the Christian values and principles he allegedly held. Seems by the looks of things he mixed with some unsavoury people. Very distressing for Katie and her family, and for all in boxing who are disciplined athletes in it for the sport and want nothing of this in their lives.

Omackeral

Gangland thread here too if you’re interested.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057832446/1

JohnnyFlash

Boxing seems to attract travellers, criminals, and league of Ireland supporters.

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

Gangland thread here too if you’re interested.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057832446/1

I didn't know there was a gangland thread already when I made this thread. Maybe this one is unnecessary then, if the mods want to do something about that.

josip

Was Pete Taylor a target this morning, a bystander or intervened because it was one of his guys getting shot?

Donald Trump

DellyBelly wrote: »

Bray Boxing seems to attract the scummiest of people.

FYP

seamus

The Taylors were very quiet about the reason why Katie dropped Pete as her coach.

I wonder did she see him getting involved with a certain type of crowd and decide that she didn't need that distraction.

In terms of boxing "attracting" scum, I think it's more of a correlation thing than causation. Boxing as a sport is relatively cheap, and is popular in working-class areas as a place for troubled kids to get out their anger and learn some self-control. Your chances of "success" in boxing are also considerably better than something like soccer.
In middle and upper-class areas, fighting other people for sport is considered low-brow, so they pay to see poor people beat eachother up rather than get involved themselves.

Of course nothing is a magic bullet and a kid who starts boxing to try and turn his troubled life around, is probably just going to be a troubled kid who's good at boxing. And he knows other troubled kids, and probably has family who are similar. And so a hotbox of criminality builds up around the boxing club. Even if it's not the main trainers getting involved, there are people using and hanging around the club who are involved in criminal activity.

The description of a white van with UK reg plates suggest it was probably a traveller gang who carried out this shooting.

My sympathies with Katie Taylor who seems like a genuine person, and regardless of anything her Dad may or may not have done I'm sure she's climbing the walls right now.

WinnyThePoo

He that got a teenager pregnant. I don't know about gangland

josip

RTE have said that a 57 year old was injured which would match Pete Taylor's age.
The 30 year old has died.


https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2018/0605/968211-bray/

sbsquarepants

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Boxing seems to attract travellers, criminals, and league of Ireland supporters.

All best avoided:D

nowaynever

Donald Trump wrote: »

FYP

Ah, you live there then?

steddyeddy

seamus wrote: »

The Taylors were very quiet about the reason why Katie dropped Pete as her coach.

I wonder did she see him getting involved with a certain type of crowd and decide that she didn't need that distraction.

In terms of boxing "attracting" scum, I think it's more of a correlation thing than causation. Boxing as a sport is relatively cheap, and is popular in working-class areas as a place for troubled kids to get out their anger and learn some self-control. Your chances of "success" in boxing are also considerably better than something like soccer.
In middle and upper-class areas, fighting other people for sport is considered low-brow, so they pay to see poor people beat eachother up rather than get involved themselves.

Of course nothing is a magic bullet and a kid who starts boxing to try and turn his troubled life around, is probably just going to be a troubled kid who's good at boxing. And he knows other troubled kids, and probably has family who are similar. And so a hotbox of criminality builds up around the boxing club. Even if it's not the main trainers getting involved, there are people using and hanging around the club who are involved in criminal activity.

The description of a white van with UK reg plates suggest it was probably a traveller gang who carried out this shooting.

My sympathies with Katie Taylor who seems like a genuine person, and regardless of anything her Dad may or may not have done I'm sure she's climbing the walls right now.

Ask Katie's mother why and you'll get the real answer. I don't think it's Pete's company as much as his behavior that's the problem.

Donald Trump

nowaynever wrote: »

Ah, you live there then?

My advisors are torn between me keeping my nukes for strategic purposes in case Kim Jong Jong Un needs a straightener, or just going ahead and nuking Bray at the behest of the Irish government (and UN)

murpho999

Donald Trump wrote: »

FYP

Stupid comment, this is gangland crap, nothing to do with Bray.

Donald Trump

murpho999 wrote: »

Stupid comment, this is gangland crap, nothing to do with Bray.

And what has it to do with boxing as a sport?

Or League of Ireland supporters? - None of whom would be let darken the door of any remotely respectable club :pac:

murpho999

Donald Trump wrote: »

And what has it to do with boxing as a sport?

Or League of Ireland supporters? - None of whom would be let darken the door of any remotely respectable club :pac:

There are alleged connections between Pete Taylor, who is now confirmed as shot and members of the Kinahan family that he coached there.

No need to spread crap about a whole town.

This is to do with one individual and the choices he made.

P.Walnuts

seamus wrote: »

The description of a white van with UK reg plates suggest it was probably a traveller gang who carried out this shooting.

Ffs

You do know, this may come as a surprise, that anyone can buy a white van?

dbas

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Ffs

You do know, this may come as a surprise, that anyone can buy a white van?

I've one to sell. Northern plates. Need gone very fast.

GM228

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Ffs

You do know, this may come as a surprise, that anyone can buy a white van?

Or rather steal one which is what usually happens for a shooting.

Skobey_brady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Boxing seems to attract travellers, criminals, and league of Ireland supporters.

In defence of travellers, they genuinely love the sport and in my opinion the best travellers are the ones who are into boxing

Donald Trump

murpho999 wrote: »

There are alleged connections between Pete Taylor, who is now confirmed as shot and members of the Kinahan family that he coached there.

No need to spread crap about a whole town.

This is to do with one individual and the choices he made.

First up, it's called a joke.

(That sentence could refer to the content of my post, or the town itself)


Second, even if you autistically took it literally, it not say anything bad about the town, only that it attracted certain categories. I did not say that all, many, or any of the people in that town were belonging to those categories.





I also didn't say that they weren't though :pac:

tomofson

Either related to the Hutch kinahan feud or traveller feud, your guess is as good as mine at this stage.

Most likely Hutch kinahan, didn't the hutches use vans like that in a previous high profiled attack.

Someone mentioned a name on journal.ie regarding the deceased, name doesn't ring any bells regarding organized crime.

Omackeral

Skobey_brady wrote: »

In defence of travellers, they genuinely love the sport and in my opinion the best travellers are the ones who are into boxing

They’ve represented this country at the Olympic Games also, that’s only to be commended.

Another Hutch hit (obvious by the fact the target wasn’t the one who was killed).

RacoonQueen

tomofson wrote: »

Either related to the Hutch kinahan feud or traveller feud, your guess is as good as mine at this stage.

Most likely Hutch kinahan, didn't the hutches use vans like that in a previous high profiled attack.

Someone mentioned a name on journal.ie regarding the deceased, name doesn't ring any bells regarding organized crime.

Deceased rumoured to be innocent and got caught in the crossfire. I have not idea how reliable that information is.

murpho999

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Deceased rumoured to be innocent and got caught in the crossfire. I have not idea how reliable that information is.

That's what I'm hearing too.

A guy who was there for "boxercise"just opened the door and was shot.

That's why I never agree with people saying that it's ok for "scumbags to obliterate each other". Too many people innocent people are being caught up in it.
Imagine the trauma of bystanders there this morning if any.

tomofson

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Deceased rumoured to be innocent and got caught in the crossfire. I have not idea how reliable that information is.

Wouldn't surprise me, its looking like this may be some sort of personal grudge more so than organized crime related.

seamus

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Ffs

You do know, this may come as a surprise, that anyone can buy a white van?

Sure. But we're talking about a gangland shooting, something which traveller gangs have been heavily involved in, in the past. And a white van might be nothing exceptional, but yellow-plated white vans are a frequent sight on halting sites. And a boxing club being the target...well travellers are heavily involved in boxing.

Just putting two and two together. I may have gotten five, that's why I didn't say it was definitely a traveller gang.

Dial down the histrionics there.

hatrickpatrick

To be fair, Pete Taylor being involved with MTK people doesn't necessarily mean he was involved with Daniel Kinahan. The boxing scene in Ireland is incredibly small with very few degrees of separation between individuals, so just because person A has a mutual friend with person B, doesn't necessarily mean that A and B are actually involved with eachother.

TBH, Irish social live in general tends to be like this as well. I'd imagine for example that most people who live and grew up in Dublin probably have maybe only one or two degrees of separation between themselves and Conor McGregor - but similarly, only one or two degrees of separation between themselves and Bono.

Say what you like about people willingly choosing to train in an environment allegedly funded by criminal assets, but in my view it's extremely unfair to make the blanket assumption that everyone who has a connection to MTK is involved with the Kinahan cartel. Paddy Barnes is supposed to be an incredibly nice lad and the media are always extremely careful to make the point that he's never even been alleged to be any sort of criminal, whenever they write about MTK and Daniel Kinahan.

It's similar to all the uproar over Conor McGregor "associating with Kinahan thugs" - the people he's regularly lambasted for hanging around with, grew up together from childhood in the same relatively small community. Letting go of childhood friends is f*cking hard, and the fact that you remain friends with somebody doesn't necessarily mean that you're in any way involved in or approve of the lifestyle they have gotten involved in.

If it does turn out that Pete Taylor was targeted because of his MTK connections, in my view it's an extraordinarily unfair and despicable attack - and I mean that even more so than the usual despicableness which accompanies this feud. To suggest that everyone who has ever been associated in any way with Gerry Hutch or Daniel Kinahan - or even who has ever been associated with associates of Gerry Hutch or Daniel Kinahan - is a legitimate target in any of this, or is automatically a dodgy person, is an absolutely vile outlook IMO.

RoryMac

tomofson wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me, its looking like this may be some sort of personal grudge more so than organized crime related.

Really? What makes you think that?

I would of thought Taylor's much publicised links to Kinahan boxers was a more obvious possible cause

ronn

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Deceased rumoured to be innocent and got caught in the crossfire. I have not idea how reliable that information is.

That’s true, the chap was doing a workout before work, tragic

tomofson

RoryMac wrote: »

Really? What makes you think that?

I would of thought Taylor's much publicised links to Kinahan boxers was a more obvious possible cause

There is a separate feud simmering in the bray area and it is more of a personal grudge thing than gang related.

RoryMac

RoryMac wrote: »

Really? What makes you think that?

I would of thought Taylor's much publicised links to Kinahan boxers was a more obvious possible cause

Don’t pay any attention! The poster often makes ****e up.

tomofson

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Don’t pay any attention! The poster often makes ****e up.

As does yourself and most posters on boards.ie

I said what I THOUGHT, never said it was 100% fact.

ChikiChiki

Another innocent killed. If the last few weeks are anything to go by the country is fast reaching kip status.

Hector Savage

Omackeral wrote: »

They’ve represented this country at the Olympic Games also, that’s only to be commended.

Who was the lad who in 1992 held the Irish flag at the opening ceremony in Barcelona ?

I heard rumours they gave him the flag to keep his hands busy, so he wouldn't be robbing the other athletes.


Mod-Banned

tomofson

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Another innocent killed. If the last few weeks are anything to go by the country is fast reaching kip status.

What we have seen over the last few weeks some cities in america see over a weekend or even a day, luckily the murder rate in Ireland is quite low.

murpho999

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Another innocent killed. If the last few weeks are anything to go by the country is fast reaching kip status.

Really OTT comment.

Look at crime stats in other countries.

Have you seen how many stabbing deaths there have been in London last year.

Ireland is very low on crime despite what many people may think.

hatrickpatrick

tomofson wrote: »

What we have seen over the last few weeks some cities in america see over a weekend or even a day, luckily the murder rate in Ireland is quite low.

Sure, but on the other hand if society is in a state of change from good to bad, that's obviously a concern, no? The murder rate in Ireland is indeed low - and most of us would like it to stay that way, which is why any anomalous period of violence in society is concerning as a trend.

hatrickpatrick

tomofson wrote: »

There is a separate feud simmering in the bray area and it is more of a personal grudge thing than gang related.

Is that between gangland types, low level criminals, or just ordinary people who are willing to go to extreme lengths to settle personal scores?

I ask only because I still feel that it's really not an easy task in Ireland to get hold of guns, probably a lot less so in recent years since decommissioning etc, so it seems highly unlikely to me that someone without organised crime links would be able to get their hands on one, or would bother going through the hassle involved. When I see the word "gun" or "shooting" in an article about criminality in Ireland, I always assume organised rather than low level criminals are likely to be involved.

tomofson

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Is that between gangland types, low level criminals, or just ordinary people who are willing to go to extreme lengths to settle personal scores?

I ask only because I still feel that it's really not an easy task in Ireland to get hold of guns, probably a lot less so in recent years since decommissioning etc, so it seems highly unlikely to me that someone without organised crime links would be able to get their hands on one, or would bother going through the hassle involved. When I see the word "gun" or "shooting" in an article about criminality in Ireland, I always assume organised rather than low level criminals are likely to be involved.

I would assume they have gangland connections, but I don't think its related to the most sensationalized gang feud we are constantly hearing about.

ChikiChiki

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sure, but on the other hand if society is in a state of change from good to bad, that's obviously a concern, no? The murder rate in Ireland is indeed low - and most of us would like it to stay that way, which is why any anomalous period of violence in society is concerning as a trend.

You said it better than I could.

RacoonQueen

Why do people always say "it's not as bad as other countries"? What relevance has that? One senseless killing is a senseless killing too many, why do people try to justify it because we have a lower crime/murder rate than other countries.

tomofson

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Why do people always say "it's not as bad as other countries"? What relevance has that? One senseless killing is a senseless killing too many, why do people try to justify it because we have a lower crime/murder rate than other countries.

That is the way you are reading it?

I was pointing out to those hyperbole types that its not as bad as they think or are trying to make it out to be, thats all. Nobody justified it.

murpho999

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Why do people always say "it's not as bad as other countries"? What relevance has that? One senseless killing is a senseless killing too many, why do people try to justify it because we have a lower crime/murder rate than other countries.

Because people say things like the country's turning into a kip etc

ChikiChiki

murpho999 wrote: »

Because people say things like the country's turning into a kip etc

'Turning into" we are not there yet but there is a noticable transition going on looking at the overall picture, not just crime.