Eir rural FTTH thread

Vegeta · 14-02-2018 7:52pm

fritzelly wrote: »

There's your problem right there

Really, I've gotten over 140mbps before using the same app beside certain 4g+ masts. I'll try the laptop and an ethernet cable now

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 7:55pm

Vegeta wrote: »

Really, I've gotten over 140mbps before using the same app beside certain 4g+ masts. I'll try the laptop and an ethernet cable now

Enough posts flying around about the wifi on the eir router and even at that speed eir wouldn't consider it a problem

Vegeta · 14-02-2018 8:00pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Enough posts flying around about the wifi on the eir router and even at that speed eir wouldn't consider it a problem

Balls, must get a new router so. I'd seen some chatter about the routers but didn't pay much attention.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 8:03pm

Vegeta wrote: »

Balls, must get a new router so. I'd seen some chatter about the routers but didn't pay much attention.

Don't automatically blame the router. Was the test done on 2.4 or 5Ghz, are there other WiFi networks nearby that could be on the same frequency? There is a lot to investigate before you go spending more money.

Vegeta · 14-02-2018 8:07pm

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Don't automatically blame the router. Was the test done on 2.4 or 5Ghz, are there other WiFi networks nearby that could be on the same frequency? There is a lot to investigate before you go spending more money.

2.4Ghz, no other networks nearby

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 8:09pm

Vegeta wrote: »

2.4Ghz, no other networks nearby

What phone is it?

Vegeta · 14-02-2018 8:11pm

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

What phone is it?

One Plus 3T

Vegeta · 14-02-2018 8:15pm

So I just checked with an iPad Pro and it's doing close to the 150 and 30. So my phone is the problem I guess

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 8:18pm

Vegeta wrote: »

So I just checked with an iPad Pro and it's doing close to the 150 and 30. So my phone is the problem I guess

Not necessarily the phone but any speed tests on it are not a reliable indication of your real download speed
3T should easily be able to get more than that but as mentioned above - the router, other interference/factors etc

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 8:19pm

Vegeta wrote: »

One Plus 3T

Firstly confirm that you are getting close to 150Mb on a wired connection. Then try the 5Ghz although the range will not be as good as 2.4. I would also consider setting a fixed channel for both 2.4 and 5Ghz in the router.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 8:27pm

Vegeta what firmware version is the router running? If you go to the login page and click on "Status Information" it should be listed there.

Vegeta · 14-02-2018 8:44pm

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Vegeta what firmware version is the router running? If you go to the login page and click on "Status Information" it should be listed there.

I'll be afk for the next 2 hrs but will check asap

Marlow · 14-02-2018 8:56pm

Vegeta wrote: »

Really, I've gotten over 140mbps before using the same app beside certain 4g+ masts. I'll try the laptop and an ethernet cable now

a) the Eir router is the worst c*** ever manufactured. Vodafone uses it too. I've got one here, that has never been turned on and serves only as a door stop.

b) you getting 140 Mbit/s of 4G is an entire different radio (in your cellphone), than your wireless card (in your cellphone). You can't take that as a comparison.

It doesn't matter, if your phone is able to produce enough data to run a 140 Mbit/s speedtest when the limiting factor is a crap wifi connection. To then compare it to a test on 4G is like saying: I'm wondering, why my car isn't as fast in reverse, as it can go forward ? ..... different gears, man.

Having said all that: Speedtests to test the line should ALWAYS be done with a computer wired to the router with a cable. Introducing other culprits is never going to give you any usable result.

/M

The Cush · 14-02-2018 10:15pm

According to a proposed update to the NGA IPM Open-eir are to add FTTH Drop Length Indicator and the availability of FTTH infrastructure for premises which qualify for FTTH on a NGA Line Enquiry (NLE) Order.

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 10:18pm

Think I understand that...maybe

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 10:29pm

The Cush wrote: »

According to a proposed update to the NGA IPM Open-eir are to add FTTH Drop Length Indicator and the availability of FTTH infrastructure for premises which qualify for FTTH on a NGA Line Enquiry (NLE) Order.

I wonder how they are ascertaining those distances. Would it be from satellite or aerial data do you think?

Gboyd · 14-02-2018 10:40pm

I just want to check something with you guys. On the attached picture you can see my house (and garage 🤷*♂️) with the envelope and the blue icon for FTTH. This is currently showing as Winter 2018.

However, literally across the road there is the icon for a fibre cabinet which is now dark green and showing as fibre services in the roll out phase.

Now there currently isn’t any broadband services from this exchange at all, so the introduction of FTTC would still be a dramatic improvement.

But am I correct in saying that given my properties proximity to the fibre cabinet there’s no chance I’ll be getting FTTH?

The Cush · 14-02-2018 10:40pm

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I wonder how they are ascertaining those distances. Would it be from satellite or aerial data do you think?

Looks like desktop exercise using eircode and infrastructure coordinates

FTH_Length_Ind
Provides an indication only of the distance from the coordinates of the Eircode to the nearest open eir infrastructure or public road

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 10:41pm

If your house has the house icon on it then it is FTTH, where its FTTC then its just a big green shaded area covering multiple houses
But both could be available...

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 10:44pm

What does a D sign mean on a phone pole anyone know?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 10:45pm

Gboyd wrote: »

I just want to check something with you guys. On the attached picture you can see my house (and garage ðŸ€·*♂️) with the envelope and the blue icon for FTTH. This is currently showing as Winter 2018.

However, literally across the road there is the icon for a fibre cabinet which is now dark green and showing as fibre services in the roll out phase.

Now there currently isn’t any broadband services from this exchange at all, so the introduction of FTTC would still be a dramatic improvement.

But am I correct in saying that given my properties proximity to the fibre cabinet there’s no chance I’ll be getting FTTH?

There is a chance that they will just do FTTH for everyone from the exchange. If they install eVDSL then you would likely only be able to avail of it.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 10:45pm

fritzelly wrote: »

What does a D sign mean on a phone pole anyone know?

Defective - due for replacement.

The Cush · 14-02-2018 10:45pm

fritzelly wrote: »

What does a D sign mean on a phone pole anyone know?

Defective, for replacement.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 10:48pm

fritzelly wrote: »

If your house has the house icon on it then it is FTTH, where its FTTC then its just a big green shaded area covering multiple houses
But both could be available...

That is not strictly true. The blue dot means:

Approximately 90-95% of the homes marked on the map will receive fibre broadband speeds of up to 1000Mb/s. Approximately 5-10% will receive fibre broadband speeds of up to 100Mb/s. Blue means services are planned for this premise. Green means services are now available to order.

A home with a blue dot can still be serviced by FTTC or eVDSL.

Marlow · 14-02-2018 10:56pm

The Cush wrote: »

According to a proposed update to the NGA IPM Open-eir are to add FTTH Drop Length Indicator and the availability of FTTH infrastructure for premises which qualify for FTTH on a NGA Line Enquiry (NLE) Order.

That drop point information has been in the prequal data that OpenEIR passes to the operators for quite a while. It gives an idea of what sort of installation we're talking about ... or just how much can go wrong.

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

That is not strictly true. The blue dot means:

A home with a blue dot can still be serviced by FTTC or eVDSL.

Aye. There are definatly areas currently marked with blue dots, that are earmarked for VDSL deployment coming "go live". Not necessarily, what people wanted to hear, but that's how it is.

The good news though is, that OpenEIR is trialing 35b .. as in supervectoring ... so we will probably see at least some increased speeds nearer to the cabinets. Probably later this year.

/M

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 10:57pm

Ohh I was told wrong then, was told if you have the house icon then its FTTH or planned for
Makes it confusing looking at the map where some houses have the house icon and then next to them none have an icon but in the green area. I imagine many look at it and think they are getting FTTH
But as an afterthought does that not mean FTTH is still planned but not yet available while FTTC might be currently available. Seems a lot of work to mark out individual houses like that when they won't be getting FTTH

Marlow · 14-02-2018 11:01pm

fritzelly wrote: »

But as an afterthought does that not mean FTTH is still planned but not yet available while FTTC might be currently available. Seems a lot of work to mark out individual houses like that when they won't be getting FTTH

FTTC was actually available up to 2km from the exchange in most areas and was installed on order previous to the FTTH rollout.

You can also still order it, if you're within coverage, even though you're earmarked for FTTH.

The map only shows the sort of acceptable rollout, after FTTH has been build out. (green).

Funnily enough, I've seen areas, where there are a few (green) FTTH earmarked houses within the FTTC coverage. Looks like, that there was no way of bringing copper to these places, so they just had to enable them for FTTH. But they then skipped houses before and after these, that had no issues getting copper lines.

/M

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 11:05pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Ohh I was told wrong then, was told if you have the house icon then its FTTH or planned for
Makes it confusing looking at the map where some houses have the house icon and then next to them none have an icon but in the green area. I imagine many look at it and think they are getting FTTH
But as an afterthought does that not mean FTTH is still planned but not yet available while FTTC might be currently available. Seems a lot of work to mark out individual houses like that when they won't be getting FTTH

It probably does confuse people but the explanation is there if you click the "i" bedside the home icon on the map.

In Gboyd's case neither FTTH nor FTTC are currently available. You would come across it more with the late 2018 exchanges that may never have been upgraded from ADSL. The premises are marked as they are part of the 300k contract with the Government.

The Cush · 14-02-2018 11:07pm

Marlow wrote: »

That drop point information has been in the prequal data that OpenEIR passes to the operators for quite a while.

According to their proposal document

Expected to be available with the April 2018 release.

fritzelly · 14-02-2018 11:07pm

I would read "Blue means services are planned for this premise" as meaning FTTH is planned but not yet but you can probably still get FTTC

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 11:08pm

fritzelly wrote: »

I would read "Blue means services are planned for this premise" as meaning FTTH is planned but not yet but you can probably still get FTTC

You are wrong.

Gboyd · 14-02-2018 11:25pm

It does state the following in the rollout map:-

New exchanges/cabinets will be added as the fibre rollout progresses.

I didn’t make it clear before but there’s no cabinet there at the moment.

So surely they must plan to service a good few of the nearby properties by FTTC or why else would they add a cabinet? Or are there other valid reasons why a cabinet would be installed but all nearby properties be serviced via FTTH?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 11:27pm

Gboyd wrote: »

It does state the following in the rollout map:-

New exchanges/cabinets will be added as the fibre rollout progresses.

I didn’t make it clear before but there’s no cabinet there at the moment.

So surely they must plan to service a good few of the nearby properties by FTTC or why else would they add a cabinet? Or are there other valid reasons why a cabinet would be installed but all nearby properties be serviced via FTTH?

There would be no point installing a cabinet then servicing nearby homes with FTTH. Have you seen any signs of work near the proposed cabinet location?

Gboyd · 14-02-2018 11:28pm

I’m actually not bothered which I receive between FTTC or FTTH, just as long as I get one of them.

I’m just very confused by the map and what their intentions are for my house.

Gboyd · 14-02-2018 11:29pm

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

There would be no point installing a cabinet then servicing nearby homes with FTTH. Have you seen any signs of work near the proposed cabinet location?

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. No signs yet, I’ll try and take a walk round the back so I can see properly behind all the trees.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 11:33pm

Gboyd wrote: »

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. No signs yet, I’ll try and take a walk round the back so I can see properly behind all the trees.

It is kind of hard guessing without knowing the area. Can you post or PM me the exchange name if you don't mind?

Marlow · 14-02-2018 11:33pm

The Cush wrote: »

According to their proposal document

Already getting those on NLEs at least since January.

/M

Gboyd · 14-02-2018 11:41pm

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

It is kind of hard guessing without knowing the area. Can you post or PM me the exchange name if you don't mind?

It’s the Timahoe exchange (TOE1_E01)/area.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-02-2018 11:55pm

Gboyd wrote: »

It’s the Timahoe exchange (TOE1_E01)/area.

I just checked with a contact there. The DSLAM has been installed in the exchange so you should be live within 2 to 5 months for FTTC. The exchange is just across the road from that green dot. It is a small beige building with a brown door on Streetview.

Marlow · 15-02-2018 12:31am

The Cush wrote: »

According to a proposed update to the NGA IPM Open-eir are to add FTTH Drop Length Indicator and the availability of FTTH infrastructure for premises which qualify for FTTH on a NGA Line Enquiry (NLE) Order.

Just double-checked. The drop point data has been introduced in the CLI data file in December. And any NLEs that I've seen from January and onwards have it.

/M

Gboyd · 15-02-2018 12:38am

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I just checked with a contact there. The DSLAM has been installed in the exchange so you should be live within 2 to 5 months for FTTC. The exchange is just across the road from that green dot. It is a small beige building with a brown door on Streetview.

Thanks so much for the information, that’s excellent news.

So it’s literally next door to me based on your description

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-02-2018 12:44am

Gboyd wrote: »

Thanks so much for the information, that’s excellent news.

So it’s literally next door to me based on your description

Yeah just to your left. You can't get much closer!

Gboyd · 15-02-2018 12:48am

The house is a new build (house in street view was knocked) so looks like I’m going to have to get a phone line installed, I had hoped to avoid that with the FTTH :-(

Another thing to look into but I guess I can forget about my 1gbit set up now haha

Marlow · 15-02-2018 1:08am

Gboyd wrote: »

The house is a new build (house in street view was knocked) so looks like I’m going to have to get a phone line installed, I had hoped to avoid that with the FTTH :-(

Another thing to look into but I guess I can forget about my 1gbit set up now haha

There's good news though. OpenEIR have been testing supervectoring, so there is a chance, that while you may start at 100 Mbit/s .... by the end of the year, that line will be capable of 200 Mbit/s with the right router.

/M

fritzelly · 15-02-2018 1:41am

Marlow wrote: »

There's good news though. OpenEIR have been testing supervectoring, so there is a chance, that while you may start at 100 Mbit/s .... by the end of the year, that line will be capable of 200 Mbit/s with the right router.

/M

This confuses me, why continue with old tech and not continue with upgrading everyone to fibre to the home?

Eir rural FTTH thread

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