Eir rural FTTH thread

Johnboy1951

Peppa Cig wrote: »

Any indications on % of installs via existing duct vs. Overhead?

Looks like we have 1/2 hydro pipe for copper line. Don't think it would carry FTTH line as well?

Would you not be replacing the copper line so it would not be 'as well' but 'instead of'.
I doubt it would be usable in any case.

Peppa Cig

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Would you not be replacing the copper line so it would not be 'as well' but 'instead of'.
I doubt it would be usable in any case.

Copper line feeding landline telephone.

New FTTH cable does not feed landline telephone.

I would be happy to use the existing copper cable to pull through new fibre cable and loose copper/landline. Rather than unsightly overhead FTTH to gable cable.

All calls will be over wi fi soon anyways.

Eir already started with Eir Mobile
https://www.eir.ie/wificalling/

Eir landlines should follow soon and totally eliminate need for old copper

Johnboy1951

You can get a telephone service (VOIP) over the FTTH connection.

Tweaky

Peppa Cig wrote: »

Copper line feeding landline telephone.

New FTTH cable does not feed landline telephone.

I would be happy to use the existing copper cable to pull through new fibre cable and loose copper/landline. Rather than unsightly overhead FTTH to gable cable.

All calls will be over wi fi soon anyways.

Eir already started with Eir Mobile
https://www.eir.ie/wificalling/

Eir landlines should follow soon and totally eliminate need for old copper

According to sales last week - VOIP on fibre another couple of months away
I am in the same boat have 100m of 37mm ducting from the pole into my house at the moment. I'm hoping that they can use the duct as there is plenty of room in it for another cable but there is no fish line to pull it through. Does anyone know if the KN guys have the long duct snakes to do these type of installs ?

Ninkel

Tweaky wrote: »

According to sales last week - VOIP on fibre another couple of months away
I am in the same boat have 100m of 37mm ducting from the pole into my house at the moment. I'm hoping that they can use the duct as there is plenty of room in it for another cable but there is no fish line to pull it through. Does anyone know if the KN guys have the long duct snakes to do these type of installs ?

As far as I know they use the Cobra fish wire reels and can go greater than 100 metres. They already use them on the roadway ducts going from Eir pole to pole.
It would be well worth checking the ducting yourself well in advance. The Cobra reels can be rented for about 40 Euro per day from Tool rental companies. You might find a couple of surprise blockages depending on age of your installation etc. I decided to check my ducting and discovered a couple of tight spots/ blockages. I used 100 metres of 1/2 inch hydrodare pipe -- a lot less than 40 Euro --- avoided daily charge of Cobra renting and took a few days to sort out the blockages.
The Hydrodare will now also act as a fish wire (pipe) to pull in the fibre cable. Diameter of Fibre a lot less than the pipe so will result in easy installation and not hold up or delay your installation when they arrive.

Grumpypants

Just rang to cancel my phone landline and they offered a pay as you go option. Basically, they leave the line active incase you ever need it for an alarm or panic button but if you make 0 calls it costs you €0.

That knocked €20 off my bill so I added TV + 1 multiroom box for 15 instead. Was paying Sky €30 for just one box so pretty happy with that.

I now have 1gb, 55 TV channels with free Eir Sports, 1 multi room box, mobile with 15gb of data and 1gb of roaming data in the EU. It is €95 for 6 months then goes to €135.

It is hard to argue with that. 2 years ago I was paying Vodafone €40 for 1mb Broadband, €60 for 3gb Mobile data bill, with Sky then getting €30 for TV.

Peppa Cig

Ninkel wrote: »

As far as I know they use the Cobra fish wire reels and can go greater than 100 metres. They already use them on the roadway ducts going from Eir pole to pole.
It would be well worth checking the ducting yourself well in advance. The Cobra reels can be rented for about 40 Euro per day from Tool rental companies. You might find a couple of surprise blockages depending on age of your installation etc. I decided to check my ducting and discovered a couple of tight spots/ blockages. I used 100 metres of 1/2 inch hydrodare pipe -- a lot less than 40 Euro --- avoided daily charge of Cobra renting and took a few days to sort out the blockages.
The Hydrodare will now also act as a fish wire (pipe) to pull in the fibre cable. Diameter of Fibre a lot less than the pipe so will result in easy installation and not hold up or delay your installation when they arrive.

How did you check and sort your ducting blockages?

Are you saying you installed a new hydro duct?

Thanks

Ninkel

Peppa Cig wrote: »

How did you check and sort your ducting blockages?

Are you saying you installed a new hydro duct?

Thanks

I have an existing 37mm standard duct with existing Eir telephone cable for my phone. It was installed about 35 years ago. This duct will also take the Fibre.
If the duct is in fairly good condition you can push in the 1/2 inch hydrodare or Cobra Fish wire reel. I have access at the house end and roadway end of the duct. This meant I could also work blockage test from both ends.
If there is a blockage will notice it while pushing in the hydrodare or Cobra. Mark the pipe or cobra with tape and pull back the pipe or cobra and measure the distance to the blockage. Luckily I knew the run of the duct and easily found the blockages and repaired them. One of the blockages was a collapsed pipe and easily fixed. The other was a badly installed butt joint and had been pushed out of alignment -- straightened up and worked fine.

Tweaky

Ninkel wrote: »

I have an existing 37mm standard duct with existing Eir telephone cable for my phone. It was installed about 35 years ago. This duct will also take the Fibre.
If the duct is in fairly good condition you can push in the 1/2 inch hydrodare or Cobra Fish wire reel. I have access at the house end and roadway end of the duct. This meant I could also work blockage test from both ends.
If there is a blockage will notice it while pushing in the hydrodare or Cobra. Mark the pipe or cobra with tape and pull back the pipe or cobra and measure the distance to the blockage. Luckily I knew the run of the duct and easily found the blockages and repaired them. One of the blockages was a collapsed pipe and easily fixed. The other was a badly installed butt joint and had been pushed out of alignment -- straightened up and worked fine.

Great idea - My duct is only 8 years old so hoping it will be pretty clear - will get some at the weekend and try it out
This would be suitable I assume https://www.coopsuperstores.ie/Farming/Farm-Hardware--Equipment/Water-Piping--Accessories/12normal-Gauge-Polythene-Piping-150m-Roll-0831207

Is it easy enough to push through when clear ??

Peppa Cig

Ninkel wrote: »

I have an existing 37mm standard duct with existing Eir telephone cable for my phone. It was installed about 35 years ago. This duct will also take the Fibre.
If the duct is in fairly good condition you can push in the 1/2 inch hydrodare or Cobra Fish wire reel. I have access at the house end and roadway end of the duct. This meant I could also work blockage test from both ends.
If there is a blockage will notice it while pushing in the hydrodare or Cobra. Mark the pipe or cobra with tape and pull back the pipe or cobra and measure the distance to the blockage. Luckily I knew the run of the duct and easily found the blockages and repaired them. One of the blockages was a collapsed pipe and easily fixed. The other was a badly installed butt joint and had been pushed out of alignment -- straightened up and worked fine.

Thanks for detailed response

I should have installed bigger duct at time of build. I think just 1/2 hydro in situ which may make it difficult to fish / pull through new FTTH cable

Ninkel

Tweaky wrote: »

Great idea - My duct is only 8 years old so hoping it will be pretty clear - will get some at the weekend and try it out
This would be suitable I assume https://www.coopsuperstores.ie/Farming/Farm-Hardware--Equipment/Water-Piping--Accessories/12normal-Gauge-Polythene-Piping-150m-Roll-0831207

Is it easy enough to push through when clear ??

Yes, that's the pipe I used and also bought it from the local Co-Op.
I was concerned at the age of my duct and was surprised at how easy it was to push through. At one end I pushed it in over 40 metres. (The cobra reel would be quite a bit easier.) I knew that the run of my duct was quite straight to start with. If there are any sharp or right angled bends you would have some difficulty.
A good direct run of duct is also better to ensure the bending radius of the fibre is not effected.

Johnboy1951

Tweaky wrote: »

According to sales last week - VOIP on fibre another couple of months away

A VOIP service is available from hundreds of different providers.
You can choose one whose rates and services suits your needs.

You would need to port your phone number to a different provider or else get a new number.

I am in the same boat have 100m of 37mm ducting from the pole into my house at the moment. I'm hoping that they can use the duct as there is plenty of room in it for another cable but there is no fish line to pull it through. Does anyone know if the KN guys have the long duct snakes to do these type of installs ?

Gwynston

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

A VOIP service is available from hundreds of different providers.
You can choose one whose rates and services suits your needs.

You would need to port your phone number to a different provider or else get a new number.

When moving to VOIP - do you need new handsets, or just some adaptor between the phone's connector and the network router? Do the VOIP providers supply that?

The Cush

Analogue phone socket on the modem.

Johnboy1951

Gwynston wrote: »

When moving to VOIP - do you need new handsets, or just some adaptor between the phone's connector and the network router? Do the VOIP providers supply that?

The Cush wrote: »

Analogue phone socket on the modem.

or where that is not provided a small Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) can be used between the ordinary phone and a RJ45 socket on the router.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_telephone_adapter

ED E

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

or where that is not provided a small Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) can be used between the ordinary phone and a RJ45 socket on the router.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_telephone_adapter

Note: Requires configuration.

plodder

Presumably you can get VOIP apps for your smart phone which just run over the house wifi, and you don't need any special adapters or clunky old analogue handsets.

ED E

Yep, though there can be a battery life cost to keeping the SIP link listening 24/7.


For the less technical a VOIP setup with deskphone can mean a big saving without any complication.

rob808

Kn on my road with yellow cables I stop and ask him how
Long I would be waiting he said it be quite awhile but happy to see them after long time waiting .

long_b

rob808 wrote: »

Kn on my road with yellow cables I stop and ask him how
Long I would be waiting he said it be quite awhile but happy to see them after long time waiting .

Nice one OP!

Gonzo

rob808 wrote: »

Kn on my road with yellow cables I stop and ask him how
Long I would be waiting he said it be quite awhile but happy to see them after long time waiting .

you should have it within 6 months, hopefully less! It all depends on how quickly they complete the stages from today's work to finishing splicing. At last your finally seeing some action which is a great sign that things are finally moving!.

rob808

They have a mini digger 3 man crew there push down yellow cables there not far from my side road just around a bend at the moment.

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

Analogue phone socket on the modem.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

or where that is not provided a small Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) can be used between the ordinary phone and a RJ45 socket on the router.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_telephone_adapter

ED E wrote: »

Note: Requires configuration.

The built in ATA in the modem/router also requires configuration.
ISPs who also provide VOIP services will likely have that configuration in place when the device is delivered to the customer, but it does need configuration.

The difficulty I see with some providers is that they lock out the user from access to those configuration settings, which means the user cannot alter their VOIP provider while using the provided device.

The alternative is to get an external (to the ISP device) ATA and put in the settings for the chosen VOIP provider.

The costs can vary greatly across providers of VOIP services so it is worth the effort to research and select one that has a service which suits your individual needs.

rob808

I wondering my road all the wiring underground the kn guy walk up to my eir manhole and look at it but they were futher down the road with the digger.I would imagine he would know distance he would have to pull the yellow cable upto the Eir manhole.Im the last house on my route they finish up and are gone for the day.

Gonzo

rob808 wrote: »

I wondering my road all the wiring underground the kn guy walk up to my eir manhole and look at it but they were futher down the road with the digger.I would imagine he would know distance he would have to pull the yellow cable upto the Eir manhole.Im the last house on my route they finish up and are gone for the day.

Hopefully you'll have a much faster development process then what I had!, it was often several months between each day of development in our area. Now that they have really speed things up since last year, hopefully they will be back tomorrow and will keep going till it's finished.

Sheogorath

Hi, have looked at the rollout map[url/] and see the fibre line is going to stop up the road from me.

It's about 600m up the road and we're the next houses, also think the line goes underground between us. Was wondering is there any way we could try to argue that it should be extended as far as us? My brother has a farm and would definitely like to have it.

The Cush

Sheogorath wrote: »

It's about 600m up the road and we're the next houses, also think the line goes underground between us. Was wondering is there any way we could try to argue that it should be extended as far as us?

Most likely not, some houses have to be left for the NBP winning contractors.

KOR101

Sheogorath wrote: »

Hi, have looked at the rollout map[url/] and see the fibre line is going to stop up the road from me.

It's about 600m up the road and we're the next houses, also think the line goes underground between us. Was wondering is there any way we could try to argue that it should be extended as far as us? My brother has a farm and would definitely like to have it.

No. I'm afraid you have to wait for the NBP which should start connections in late 2018.

Peppa Cig

Plan to run a cable from ONT to modem (25m) in advance of KN.

I assume it's Cat 6 Ethernet cable to modem from ONT?

If so which port does does Ethernet cable get plugged into on F2000?

Usually it would be phone line cable into DSL port?

But I guess FTTH is ethernet connection?

Thanks

Sheogorath

The Cush wrote: »

Most likely not, some houses have to be left for the NBP winning contractors.

KOR101 wrote: »

No. I'm afraid you have to wait for the NBP which should start connections in late 2018.

Right, guess we'll wait it out so, thanks