The prom (COVID closed 31 March 2020, reopened 18 May)

CruelSummer · 30-05-2020 10:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are making it sound like the guards came into an estate to break up a game of five aside on the green.

A drunk teen got arrested (presumably for his own safety)
and a bunch of others started abusing guards doing their jobs. There are no excuses for that.
The videos sound like so much teenage drama.

I agree, their behaviour is absolutely shocking. I feel so sorry for the Gardai, they got such abuse. I’m not excusing anything at all re their behaviour. It’s awful.
I’m just making the point that if we as a society leave youths with zero to do, there will be repercussions. Those youths have nothing to prepare for, probably encourages them to drink more, this will impact on all our safety. And ruin areas like the prom for the summer too.

PCeeeee · 30-05-2020 10:36pm

CruelSummer wrote: »

I agree, their behaviour is absolutely shocking. I feel so sorry for the Gardai, they got such abuse. I’m not excusing anything at all re their behaviour. It’s awful.
I’m just making the point that if we as a society leave youths with zero to do, there will be repercussions. Those youths have nothing to prepare for, probably encourages them to drink more, this will impact on all our safety. And ruin areas like the prom for the summer too.

Stop

CruelSummer · 30-05-2020 10:47pm

PCeeeee wrote: »

Stop

No, if you want to ignore the problem I’m afraid it won’t go away.

at1withmyself · 30-05-2020 10:49pm

CruelSummer wrote: »

No, if you want to ignore the problem I’m afraid it won’t go away.

What's that - bad parenting? Your probably right it won't go away.

30-05-2020 11:28pm

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m just making the point that if we as a society leave youths with zero to do, there will be repercussions. Those youths have nothing to prepare for, probably encourages them to drink more, this will impact on all our safety. And ruin areas like the prom for the summer too.

Ok, I'll bite. Go ahead, outline your solution that will allow the young uns out without restrictions, allow for social distancing to prevent the spread of covid, not lead to a second wave and is logical, realistic and achievable.

Unless, of course, your posts are just a general moan with no purpose to them other than to pointlessly complain. But I'm sure I'm wrong about that.

I look forward to reading your proposal

_Whimsical_ · 31-05-2020 12:20am

God that's really appalling.
Those guards are endangering themselves by intervening at the best of times not to mention right now when they might catch covid. Who knows if they go home to someone vulnerable.

We really need to stop telling these kids that they're going through hell and enduring something unthinkable by staying in. They have no frame of reference, they believe it. To listen to all this stuff about it affecting their mental health and them being denied social outings you would forgiven for thinking they'd been sent to the WW trenches when in reality they've been asked to sit on their arses with phones and a peer group experiencing the exact same thing as them.

Kids break a leg, get glandular fever, ME, get cancer and end up stuck at home for weeks or months on the end and they don't lose the plot. That's isolation, watching the world go on without you.
What's happening now is a holiday.

Mrs OBumble · 31-05-2020 12:22am

CruelSummer wrote: »

Younger children are isolated, anxious and lonely.
Older children/youths have zero structure in their lives currently- no sports, school, exams, part time work, shops, nothing. Parents might not be coping with this situation well at all.
I’m not surprised to see the scenes on Salthill, there will be more trouble if we keep on our stupid nonsensical trajectory.

There are scenes like this in shop st most weekends outside of lockdown. The kids are just acting out what they've seen older ones do.

31-05-2020 12:31am

CruelSummer wrote: »

There will be more trouble like this if something isn’t done. These young people have had no school, no structure, no sport, no part time job options, no shops, nothing. It’s going to boil over soon and maybe then people will realise locking people up for months on end - while all other countries used the new data coming through - was a monumental disaster by our authorities.

What a load of absolute nonsense, a crowd of gobsh*te teens out causing trouble because of the terrible “hardship” of spending a few weeks at home. Their idiot parents are no better.

It’s laughable how a few people keep making out staying at home is akin to being the trenches in WW1. A good few in the video could do with actual locking up too, in a cell not the completely not locked up they are now.

What a great job the authorities in Ireland have done in keeping the virus under control, not letting it run wild and kill many thousands which you are in favour of.

JoeA3 · 31-05-2020 12:38am

Nothing that happened there today is anything to do with the current situation. A bunch of spoiled self entitled stupid kids doing stupid stuff when the sun shines. In other news, water is wet and the Titanic sank. These same kids were probably crying last week about the “stress” of their leaving cert in limbo.

I honestly don’t know how the Gardai involved there retained their composure. What an appalling job our limp wristed Government have handed them.

CruelSummer · 31-05-2020 7:29am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ok, I'll bite. Go ahead, outline your solution that will allow the young uns out without restrictions, allow for social distancing to prevent the spread of covid, not lead to a second wave and is logical, realistic and achievable.

Unless, of course, your posts are just a general moan with no purpose to them other than to pointlessly complain. But I'm sure I'm wrong about that.

I look forward to reading your proposal

1. The virus has a death rate is 0.4% in people who are symptomatic, according to the latest information from the CDC. And only 0.25% in the wider population of the US as they estimate approx 35% of people are asymptomatic.
I do not think the current restrictions are proportionate to this threat. And to the poster saying I’m in favour of ‘killing thousands’, I supported the lockdown initially as we needed to understand what was coming. The government have failed miserably at re-opening the country and it’s going to do huge damage to our international reputation,
Young people should be back out, playing sports, going to camps, mixing. Getting on with their lives.
Did you know there is statistically more of a chance of a child getting hit by lightning than getting a serious infection of Covid?
2. Anyone under 55 who doesn’t have known risk factors should do the same as the death rate for such people is very low.
3. Vulnerable groups should be shielded/social distance and protect themselves as best then can subject to their own situation.
4. There is no evidence of a second wave anywhere currently, the virus is dying out at the same rate statistically in all European countries, regardless of restrictions taken. Many European countries have their barbers open, restaurants and shops using face masks and other precautions. They don’t have 5 and then 20km restrictions imposed on their population.
5. The real issue in Ireland and other western countries were in nursing homes, this does not warrant us all destroying our economy and way of life indefinitely.
6. Covid is currently all but eliminated in the community in Ireland. There should be very effective testing and testing systems in place now, after 8 weeks to get it set up. This would go a long way to eradication here in Ireland.
7. Schools should absolutely open in late August/ September as normal, using hygiene measures, testing and tracing, clamping down on children who are sick being sent in.
If we choose a social distancing, PPE route, we will permanently damage our children’s development and our education system. Children have been out of education since March, this alone will present a huge number of issues to teachers and schools. Time to get back to our lives.

gordongekko · 31-05-2020 7:41am

CruelSummer wrote: »

1. The virus has a death rate is 0.4% in people who are symptomatic, according to the latest information from the CDC. And only 0.25% in the wider population of the US as they estimate approx 35% of people are asymptomatic.
I do not think the current restrictions are proportionate to this threat. And to the poster saying I’m in favour of ‘killing thousands’, I supported the lockdown initially as we needed to understand what was coming. The government have failed miserably at re-opening the country and it’s going to do huge damage to our international reputation,
Young people should be back out, playing sports, going to camps, mixing. Getting on with their lives.
Did you know there is statistically more of a chance of a child getting hit by lightning than getting a serious infection of Covid?
2. Anyone under 55 who doesn’t have known risk factors should do the same as the death rate for such people is very low.
3. Vulnerable groups should be shielded/social distance and protect themselves as best then can subject to their own situation.
4. There is no evidence of a second wave anywhere currently, the virus is dying out at the same rate statistically in all European countries, regardless of restrictions taken. Many European countries have their barbers open, restaurants and shops using face masks and other precautions. They don’t have 5 and then 20km restrictions imposed on their population.
5. The real issue in Ireland and other western countries were in nursing homes, this does not warrant us all destroying our economy and way of life indefinitely.
6. Covid is currently all but eliminated in the community in Ireland. There should be very effective testing and testing systems in place now, after 8 weeks to get it set up. This would go a long way to eradication here in Ireland.
7. Schools should absolutely open in late August/ September as normal, using hygiene measures, testing and tracing, clamping down on children who are sick being sent in.
If we choose a social distancing, PPE route, we will permanently damage our children’s development and our education system. Children have been out of education since March, this alone will present a huge number of issues to teachers and schools. Time to get back to our lives.

We'll need a twitter style fact check warnings for your nonsense posts.

CruelSummer · 31-05-2020 7:51am

gordongekko wrote: »

We'll need a twitter style fact check warnings for your nonsense posts.

Just check the CDC website, it’s all there under their ‘planning scenarios’ section.

Whereisgalway · 31-05-2020 8:16am

gordongekko wrote: »

We'll need a twitter style fact check warnings for your nonsense posts.

Not prom related should be in the general chat section

Seamai · 31-05-2020 8:20am

Whereisgalway wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hannahlxmx/status/1266795763050438659?s=09

Police brutality in Galway!

Taking drinking teenagers away isn’t brutality go back to pretending to care about the environment

Police brutality, don't make me laugh. What a fúcking a*hole, policing here is amongst the softest in Europe (often too soft). I've seen heavy handed police behaviour in Italy, Czechia, Hungary and France. Gardaí are pussycats by comparison.

at1withmyself · 31-05-2020 9:02am

CruelSummer wrote: »

1. The virus has a death rate is 0.4% in people who are symptomatic, according to the latest information from the CDC. And only 0.25% in the wider population of the US as they estimate approx 35% of people are asymptomatic.
I do not think the current restrictions are proportionate to this threat. And to the poster saying I’m in favour of ‘killing thousands’, I supported the lockdown initially as we needed to understand what was coming. The government have failed miserably at re-opening the country and it’s going to do huge damage to our international reputation,
Young people should be back out, playing sports, going to camps, mixing. Getting on with their lives.
Did you know there is statistically more of a chance of a child getting hit by lightning than getting a serious infection of Covid?
2. Anyone under 55 who doesn’t have known risk factors should do the same as the death rate for such people is very low.
3. Vulnerable groups should be shielded/social distance and protect themselves as best then can subject to their own situation.
4. There is no evidence of a second wave anywhere currently, the virus is dying out at the same rate statistically in all European countries, regardless of restrictions taken. Many European countries have their barbers open, restaurants and shops using face masks and other precautions. They don’t have 5 and then 20km restrictions imposed on their population.
5. The real issue in Ireland and other western countries were in nursing homes, this does not warrant us all destroying our economy and way of life indefinitely.
6. Covid is currently all but eliminated in the community in Ireland. There should be very effective testing and testing systems in place now, after 8 weeks to get it set up. This would go a long way to eradication here in Ireland.
7. Schools should absolutely open in late August/ September as normal, using hygiene measures, testing and tracing, clamping down on children who are sick being sent in.
If we choose a social distancing, PPE route, we will permanently damage our children’s development and our education system. Children have been out of education since March, this alone will present a huge number of issues to teachers and schools. Time to get back to our lives.

Sorry I'm confused now! Should we open our country like other European countries with this ppe in place for barbers etc.. but we do this and we'll permanently damage our children's development with these measures?

Is your solution to just turn off all restrictions immediately and see what happens? And if the second wave comes then what is your proposal because if you think the economy is taking a hit now then you'll not like what a second round could do.

As for other countries, some have opened a bit quicker and some have not, in Ireland next Monday all going well there will be stories of more businesses opening up and economy improving. We did not have as severe a lock down as other countries so we have a different way to come out of it, you can't compare us to other countries that had severe lock downs were citizens couldn't leave there house.

39steps · 31-05-2020 9:15am

NUU Galway has decided a Health Fact Checker for Covid-19, have a look and post questions to them:.

https://ihealthfacts.ie/

tinofapples · 31-05-2020 10:04am

Seamai wrote: »

Police brutality, don't make me laugh. What a fúcking a*hole, policing here is amongst the softest in Europe (often too soft). I've seen heavy handed police behaviour in Italy, Czechia, Hungary and France. Gardaí are pussycats comparison.

Agreed, what happened to having a bit of respect for the law so that when they say disperse you disperse especially kids or teens. Way too soft policing here in Ireland, look at the Guards patrolling the roads everyday, constant no tax/nct/insurance, banned drivers. Lock these little pups up for a night, give them water and bread , f##kers, kids learn their behaviour mostly from their parents. With regards the p##ck shouting "fam" and "feds" , this is the future of Ireland. That lad should be grateful for the opportunities this country will present him as opposed to the land of his parents/grandparents.

Wombatman · 31-05-2020 10:37am

Some parents in this county are an absolute disgrace from a parenting perspective. Some are far too self obsessed to put any effort into parenting. They see schools as baby sitting services and expect the gardaí to do the baby sitting now that schools are out.

In an ideal world the parents of any kid outside 5km or participating in underage drinking, in this instance, should be heavily fined.

Such a disheartening sense of entitlement, selfishness and disrespect coming from those kids. I have little doubt where they get is from.

Immature kids are going to be Immature kids, but the parents ought to know better.

LuasSimon · 31-05-2020 10:59am

Towns and villages all over Ireland have been struggling with law and order for a number of years and sadly it’s getting worse . Lack of diligent garda , soft on crime politicians , out of touch judges all contributing to a nastier ireland .

Lots of PC travellers rights , new Irish rights etc also have played a major part , most of them live near RTÉ in Dublin but Galway City has a number of these cloud cuckoo land types as well .

Whereisgalway · 31-05-2020 12:54pm

Surely this deserves a thread of its own

Homelander · 31-05-2020 1:57pm

"Police brutality", amazing.

flazio · 31-05-2020 3:34pm

I'd love to know what you were all like when you were their ages. How many posters here, on either side of the debate, are actually parents themselves?

owlbethere · 31-05-2020 4:20pm

flazio wrote: »

I'd love to know what you were all like when you were their ages. How many posters here, on either side of the debate, are actually parents themselves?

In all fairness we didn't have a pandemic with a new infectious disease at their age. We didn't have to live with restrictions to contain a virus at that age.

We now have a global pandemic with a novel coronavirus and meeting in large groups is advised against.

Many of these youngsters want to meet their friends but they only want to meet them under their own conditions and form large groups. What's wrong with a meet up in a back yard for now?

Also when will the Irish get a grip on safety in the sun? I saw the videos yesterday and they must have been recorded late in the afternoon about 4 or 5 in the evening.
Sitting out in the mid day sun - again more sh1te that's advised against. In mainland Europe and Australia when they have sun and heat like that, they don't sit in it. They manage the days to get stuff done in the mornings and evenings avoiding the mid day sun and heat.

Homelander · 31-05-2020 4:25pm

flazio wrote: »

I'd love to know what you were all like when you were their ages. How many posters here, on either side of the debate, are actually parents themselves?

I think while people are disapproving of the social gatherings, the real issue is the unbelievably poor attitudes of many of the teenagers and their complete lack of respect for Gardai in this case.

I can understand some teenagers not caring about social distancing and just wanting to have a good time with their friends in the sun.

"Ah, they're just teenagers" doesn't really cut it when talking about assaulting and verbally abusing Gardai when asked to move on.

Mrs OBumble · 31-05-2020 8:13pm

Homelander wrote: »

I think while people are disapproving of the social gatherings, the real issue is the unbelievably poor attitudes of many of the teenagers and their complete lack of respect for Gardai in this case.

I can understand some teenagers not caring about social distancing and just wanting to have a good time with their friends in the sun.

"Ah, they're just teenagers" doesn't really cut it when talking about assaulting and verbally abusing Gardai when asked to move on.

Do you remember the "who's a sexy garda" video from a few years back? This is just a slightly younger version.

Respect for the law and authority is not a big factor in Irish culture. That's why many of the pandemic responses here have been presented as recommendations not requirements.

flazio · 31-05-2020 8:18pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you remember the "who's a sexy garda" video from a few years back? This is just a slightly younger version.

Respect for the law and authority is not a big factor in Certain aspects of Irish culture. That's why many of the pandemic responses here have been presented as recommendations not requirements.

Small but in my opinion important adjustment to your post.

Homelander · 31-05-2020 8:19pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you remember the "who's a sexy garda" video from a few years back? This is just a slightly younger version.

Respect for the law and authority is not a big factor in Irish culture. That's why many of the pandemic responses here have been presented as recommendations not requirements.

Drunk people shouting "Who's a sexy Garda" is the same as a horde of young people physically assaulting Gardai and roaring abuse at them to the extent that major backup was required?

You come out with some strange points sometimes but you honestly cannot seriously be making that comparison.

31-05-2020 9:12pm

flazio wrote: »

I'd love to know what you were all like when you were their ages. How many posters here, on either side of the debate, are actually parents themselves?

Let me see? What are they around 15? Great weather at the end of May on Saturday I would have been in the cab of a tractor doing silage from early morning on one of the three family farms I spend any weekend or school holiday working on.

That is not normal behaviour can’t believe you would even attempt to try justify it with nonsense like “what were ye at when that age”.

fergiesfolly · 31-05-2020 9:14pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you remember the "who's a sexy garda" video from a few years back? This is just a slightly younger version.

Respect for the law and authority is not a big factor in Irish culture. That's why many of the pandemic responses here have been presented as recommendations not requirements.

Depends on what authority you're talking about.
If it's law and order, the large majority of this country obey the laws and respect the people enforcing it.
It's one of the reasons we have can have an unarmed police force.
What happened on Salthill was disgraceful and if I had my way the Gardai would have taken a much harder line with those kids, so fair play to them for their patience.
Maybe in time those kids will realise how fortunate they are to live in a country where you're not batton charged, pepper sprayed or worse, at the drop of a hat.

Also, you may think, as a foreigner, your outsiders point of view offers an insight to this country, it's people and cultures.
It doesn't. And often comes across as condescending and insulting.

Whereisgalway · 31-05-2020 10:19pm

The prom was stunning this morning

Whereisgalway · 02-06-2020 10:19am

They widen the bollards along the prom, leaves a load of room of cyclists either side of the road. Hopefully when normality resumes they do a proper cycle path either side and find alternatives for car parking

Storm 10 · 02-06-2020 10:55am

Lovely to see Italy getting back to a bit of normal

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/veneto/venezia/spiaggia-jesolo.html

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/lombardia/milano/duomo-milano.html

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/veneto/venezia/riva-schiavoni.html

And Spain

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/espana/canarias/santa-cruz-de-tenerife/playa-de-el-medano.html

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/espana/canarias/santa-cruz-de-tenerife/playa-los-cristianos.html

02-06-2020 11:11am

What’s the relevance of web cameras in other countries in the prom thread?

buzz11 · 02-06-2020 11:14am

Teenager apologises to Gardai for social media comments following Salthill incident

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/teenager-apologises-to-gardai-for-social-media-comments-following-salthill-incident/

Storm 10 · 02-06-2020 11:18am

Adan Easy Comedy wrote: »

What’s the relevance of web cameras in other countries in the prom thread?

Just showing there getting on with life, if this was the prom we would posters giving out about social distancing you could not line up for a coffee in Salthill without some comment here, nice to see them getting back after the terrible time they had with the virus.

Bredabe · 02-06-2020 11:27am

buzz11 wrote: »

Teenager apologises to Gardai for social media comments following Salthill incident

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/teenager-apologises-to-gardai-for-social-media-comments-following-salthill-incident/

Great to see this young person take responsibility for their behaviour, but I take issue with them saying they didnt know 'the meaning of their words'. Nothing in the video made me think he had a processing issue or was lacking understanding of english words.

Hopefully they can do something about retreaving the video.

Whereisgalway · 02-06-2020 11:41am

buzz11 wrote: »

Teenager apologises to Gardai for social media comments following Salthill incident

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/teenager-apologises-to-gardai-for-social-media-comments-following-salthill-incident/

Just a young lad, hopefully he learns and grows from this.

Homelander · 02-06-2020 11:51am

While nothing will change what was said or the behavior, I'm at least impressed that he went public with an apology. I strongly suspect his parents were behind that, probably appalled at his behavior to be honest.

02-06-2020 11:54am

Storm 10 wrote: »

Just showing there getting on with life, if this was the prom we would posters giving out about social distancing you could not line up for a coffee in Salthill without some comment here, nice to see them getting back after the terrible time they had with the virus.

Time will tell if they are making a wise decision, I'd much prefer to opt of our cautious approach for the moment.

laguacamaya · 02-06-2020 12:26pm

Went for a few beverages in Salthill at sunset last night, fearing the weather was going to break today. Sitting in the park gettin' all deep'n meaningless with an old friend...We heard a deep Connemara accent from behind "Ye might appreciate these later on, lads"...Twas a Guard, plonking 2 cans of (obviously confiscated) cider on the ground between us. He bade us good evening and walked off towards the next gathering of teenage scallywags...We just looked at each other and laughed knowingly;-)

JoeA3 · 02-06-2020 2:37pm

laguacamaya wrote: »

Went for a few beverages in Salthill at sunset last night, fearing the weather was going to break today. Sitting in the park gettin' all deep'n meaningless with an old friend...We heard a deep Connemara accent from behind "Ye might appreciate these later on, lads"...Twas a Guard, plonking 2 cans of (obviously confiscated) cider on the ground between us. He bade us good evening and walked off towards the next gathering of teenage scallywags...We just looked at each other and laughed knowingly;-)

Haha, nice one, decent of him... common sense prevails.

Reminds me of a couple of years ago, I'm outside Croke Park and I ask a random Garda to point me in the direction of the kiosk selling tickets... and he pulled 2 tickets from his pocket and hands them to me.

flazio · 02-06-2020 7:18pm

Most Guards could teach their American counterparts a thing or two.

Whereisgalway · 17-06-2020 5:34pm

How’d the car get on the rocks? Poor auld lad must have gotten an awful shock, thankfully & luckily no one was hurt

thesandeman · 17-06-2020 6:50pm

Apparently he was reversing.

Mrs OBumble · 17-06-2020 8:24pm

Whereisgalway wrote: »

How’d the car get on the rocks? Poor auld lad must have gotten an awful shock, thankfully & luckily no one was hurt

Poor auld lad or lass needs the licence taken off him/her. Imagine if a kid had been standing there.

Psychlops · 17-06-2020 8:47pm

Could have ended up way worse if the tide was in, Galway Lifeboat & Irish Coast Guard Helicopter Rescue115 from Shannon tasked to this also.

17-06-2020 10:13pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Poor auld lad or lass needs the licence taken off him/her. Imagine if a kid had been standing there.

And yet some folks have an irrational fear of bikes and prefer cars be given priority, go figure eh

Whereisgalway · 17-06-2020 10:37pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Poor auld lad or lass needs the licence taken off him/her. Imagine if a kid had been standing there.

It was accident, could have happened anyone including you, have a little empathy

Mrs OBumble · 17-06-2020 11:12pm

Whereisgalway wrote: »

It was accident, could have happened anyone including you, have a little empathy

Anyone who was reversing fast enough to get that far onto the rocks at that point lacks basic vehicle control skills. Sad if s/he had those skills but has now lost them - but the aging process affects everyone and the RSA regularly take licences off people who have become a danger to themselves and others.

And yes, car drivers have to be licenced. That licence can be be removed. Unlike bicycle drivers, who can continue no matter how incompetent. So I do feel safer around car drivers.

Rodin · 18-06-2020 12:20am

New as soon as I saw the story that it was going to be an elderly driver.
They're a scourge.

More over 65s die on the roads than any other age group.

Every driver should have passed a test and should be mandatory retesting over a certain age.

The prom (COVID closed 31 March 2020, reopened 18 May)

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