Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Beechwoodspark · 14-03-2019 10:39pm

MFPM wrote: »

So we should do the same with all parents - if junior acts up you're going to jail?

Diff rules for foreign nationals

Beechwoodspark · 14-03-2019 10:39pm

Omackeral wrote: »

No listen, you can hold that view if you want. Not having a go at you. I personally disagree with it. If it went to a vote, I wouldn't back it. However, just because I disagree with it doesn't mean now that I think you're mates with someone else I'm disagreeing with... which is what some other very tolerant person on this thread does it would seem.

Havnt a notion what you are on about

GinAndBitter · 14-03-2019 10:42pm

Dante7 wrote: »

I'm calling bull**** on the narrative that is being put forward about the Nigerian lad getting a hiding in the carwash. A wrapped wrench was used in the attack. That seems targetted and planned and not a random racist attack. He said he was called a monkey. I don't buy that. That is not the language that would be used in an attack like this. I suspect that there is a bit more going on here.

I noticed how the word "alleged" wasn't used once in the article.

Omackeral · 14-03-2019 10:42pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Havnt a notion what you are on about

That's ok, you don't seem to be the brightest bulb on the ceiling anyway. What I'm trying to say is that it's possible to be in agreement on some things and not on others. It's in relation to the poster MPFM saying that you and I are mates because he/she thinks we're on ''the same side''.

Beechwoodspark · 14-03-2019 10:43pm

Omackeral wrote: »

That's ok, you don't seem to be the brightest bulb on the ceiling anyway. What I'm trying to say is that it's possible to be in agreement on some things and not on others. It's in relation to the poster MPFM saying that you and I are mates because he/she thinks we're on ''the same side''.

I’m not on anyone’s side

Omackeral · 14-03-2019 10:44pm

Just to be crystal clear. I fcuking despise racists more than anything but out-and-out apologists are a very close second.

Auntie Semite · 14-03-2019 10:49pm

Dante7 wrote: »

I'm calling bull**** on the narrative that is being put forward about the Nigerian lad getting a hiding in the carwash. A wrapped wrench was used in the attack. That seems targetted and planned and not a random racist attack. He said he was called a monkey. I don't buy that. That is not the language that would be used in an attack like this. I suspect that there is a bit more going on here.

It was a great coincidence there just happened to be a racist attack at the same time as the African gangs went viral thats all I'll say.

I don't of course think for one second that we have our own Jussie Smollet.

mynamejeff · 14-03-2019 10:54pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

What are you suggesting here?

at the start of this thread it was suggested by multiple persons that this young person was a member of a family which was involved in organised crime in finglas in some way

that would suggest to me that this innocent young darling child may not be quite so innocent which would not be surprised .

however at the end of the day these groups of African boys rampaging around the city should be handled head on before we pass the point of no return

Dante7 · 14-03-2019 10:58pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I was a great coincidence there just happened to be a racist attack at the same time as the African gangs went viral thats all I'll say.

I don't of course think for one second that we have our own Jussie Smollet.

"He called me a monkey".
No he didn't. You made that up. That is not the language of a Dublin racist. That is the language of someone trying to pretend that it was a racist attack.

GinAndBitter · 14-03-2019 11:02pm

Dante7 wrote: »

"He called me a monkey".
No he didn't. You made that up. That is not the language of a Dublin racist. That is the language of someone trying to pretend that it was a racist attack.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here Dante, that's a word I've heard used more than a few times against black people in Dublin. It's very possible it was used in this incident.

Dante7 · 14-03-2019 11:15pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I have to respectfully disagree with you here Dante, that's a word I've heard used more than a few times against black people in Dublin. It's very possible it was used in this incident.

No problem and fair enough. I just have never heard that particular form of racist slur being used in Dublin. I have never, ever heard a Dublin person call a black person a monkey.

GinAndBitter · 14-03-2019 11:24pm

Dante7 wrote: »

No problem and fair enough. I just have never heard that particular form of racist slur being used in Dublin. I have never, ever heard a Dublin person call a black person a monkey.

Regardless of that anyway, the indo were only too happy to go with the racist angle, for a fella who is "lucky to be alive" he doesn't look too bad, did someone say a wrench was used? I'd expect to be seeing head and face injuries.

SporadicMan · 14-03-2019 11:34pm

Is African immigration really worth it for Ireland?

They seem to resent being here given the frequency of crime in their youth relative to how many there are. (Gangs of 40+ *kids*, how can you even assemble a gang that big?)

What do we actually gain from having them immigrate here? Their employment numbers are abysmal, the tension between native population and them seems to be getting higher every year.

I'm struggling to understand why this immigration is beneficial for us as a country. Shouldn't we be aiming to take high skilled immigrants only? What's in it for us to allow them to come here?

Dante7 · 14-03-2019 11:48pm

SporadicMan wrote: »

Is African immigration really worth it for Ireland?

They seem to resent being here given the frequency of crime in their youth relative to how many there are. (Gangs of 40+ *kids*, how can you even assemble a gang that big?)

What do we actually gain from having them immigrate here? Their employment numbers are abysmal, the tension between native population and them seems to be getting higher every year.

I'm struggling to understand why this immigration is beneficial for us as a country. Shouldn't we be aiming to take high skilled immigrants only? What's in it for us to allow them to come here?

Well, if you live in Foxrock or other leafy suburbs this will never effect you. It's easy to virtue signal.

Recent study has shown that economic migrants and asylum seekers benefit higher earners but have a negative effect on lower income people. They leap frog them in housing lists and other social benefits. This is a huge problem for SF and other socialist parties. Their vote base is being is getting pushed down the list in favour of migrants.

Effects · 14-03-2019 11:49pm

Dante7 wrote: »

I just have never heard that particular form of racist slur being used in Dublin. I have never, ever heard a Dublin person call a black person a monkey.

What slur do Dublin people use instead?

givyjoe · 14-03-2019 11:50pm

dav3 wrote: »

Well you should report them here.

https://www.ireport.ie/report-racist-incidents/

I've heard that on certain websites, some moderators like to throw their considerable weight around when determining what is, or isn't "racism". Even moderators not involved with a particular sub-forum.

But yes, it's shocking all the crime these days. If only we could go back to the good old days.

Now, if you'll excuse me, i'm off to report some racism online.

Perhaps you could report some racist black lads who nearly murdered an innocent white kid, if you're not too busy like.

givyjoe · 14-03-2019 11:51pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I feel sorry for you Dave.

I don't.. I wonder would his pov change if that gange ever crossed his path.

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 12:01am

SporadicMan wrote: »

Is African immigration really worth it for Ireland?

They seem to resent being here given the frequency of crime in their youth relative to how many there are. (Gangs of 40+ *kids*, how can you even assemble a gang that big?)

What do we actually gain from having them immigrate here? Their employment numbers are abysmal, the tension between native population and them seems to be getting higher every year.

I'm struggling to understand why this immigration is beneficial for us as a country. Shouldn't we be aiming to take high skilled immigrants only? What's in it for us to allow them to come here?

We gain almost nothing from it.

What it does do is perpetually suppress wages., perpetually drive up rents and property prices, divide communities, create huge pressure on public services and destroy national identity.

The real reason for mass immigration is that the EU wishes to erase nation states and create a class of consumer unit citizens. More people means more debt, more consumers, its basically a human based ponzi scheme.

People will call me a conspiracy theorist but our own Peter Sutherland 'the father of globalism' said a few years ago that "we must do our best to undermine national homogeneity"

The purpose of this will erase any national resistance to the onslaught of globalism as there will be little national solidarity from any nations as there will be a multitude of competing identities within each nation.

Many, many Irish people will enthusiastically endorse this under the guise of 'diversity' until the time comes when they are in a minority and realise they have no political (voting) power as a group and are at the mercy of groups who do not share their cultural, political or social justice interests.

Then the penny will drop but it will be too late.

_Kaiser_ · 15-03-2019 12:02am

givyjoe wrote: »

I don't.. I wonder would his pov change if that gange ever crossed his path.

Doubtful People like that (who resort to veiled legal threats because their virtue-signalling isn't validated) always value ideology over reality.

If something DID ever happen to people ike that, they'd likely find a way to blame "us" for turning the poor misunderstood souls into aggressive malcontents or something :rolleyes:

Dante7 · 15-03-2019 12:08am

Effects wrote: »

What slur do Dublin people use instead?

Well, if they were giving a hiding to a gang member who was terrorising a community they would tend to say, "Do it again and we will f*ckin kill you and burn you and your family out". They don't tend to say, "Oh, you monkey".

corner of hells · 15-03-2019 12:09am

Dante7 wrote: »

Well, if you live in Foxrock or other leafy suburbs this will never effect you. It's easy to virtue signal.

Recent study has shown that economic migrants and asylum seekers benefit higher earners but have a negative effect on lower income people. They leap frog them in housing lists and other social benefits. This is a huge problem for SF and other socialist parties. Their vote base is being is getting pushed down the list in favour of migrants.

Where can I read that study ?

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 12:11am

Dante7 wrote: »

Well, if you live in Foxrock or other leafy suburbs this will never effect you. It's easy to virtue signal.

Recent study has shown that economic migrants and asylum seekers benefit higher earners but have a negative effect on lower income people. They leap frog them in housing lists and other social benefits. This is a huge problem for SF and other socialist parties. Their vote base is being is getting pushed down the list in favour of migrants.

Ultimately no one in Ireland will be able to escape. Its too small a country.

Simon Coveney, a few years ago said that every town in Ireland will be diverse and any trip to any medium sized Irish town will confirm this.
There will be no 'white flight' in Ireland as there will be nowhere to avoid the inevitable.

Its true that migrants benefit higher earners, or to be precise 'the Capitalist Class' and 'the property Class'

Look at the likes of People Before Profit and The Social Democrats and Sinn Fein.

They all advocate for more immigration (no upper limit according to SF) and 'Houses for all'

What does this mean? Endless profits for the property and Capitalist class.

Are these parties Socialist as they claim to be?

Are they f*ck

Follow the money.

Dante7 · 15-03-2019 12:13am

corner of hells wrote: »

Where can I read that study ?

On your phone, if you care to search.

corner of hells · 15-03-2019 12:16am

Dante7 wrote: »

On your phone, if you care to search.

I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

Effects · 15-03-2019 12:17am

Dante7 wrote: »

On your phone, if you care to search.

Why search when you could just provide your source?
There's lots of studies out there. Make it easy.

Dante7 · 15-03-2019 12:27am

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

Ah, so you and the other user, "Effects" are engaging in Sealioning. You want to send me off on an internet odyssey to retrieve information that you already know exists. When I come back with these facts, you will just ignore them and move the goalposts again, and ask for more stats.

Can you please provide me with the facts that prove that asylum seekers and economic migrants do not leap frog the indigenous population on housing lists. I'll wait.

GinAndBitter · 15-03-2019 12:28am

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

"The meeting on Monday was attended by Minister of State for Integration David Stanton, who on Wednesday said local people were “extremely positive and supportive” of the project, which is likely to see the town become one of 10 that will take in a Syrian family. A private house will be identified and fitted out before the family moves in.

Mr Stanton said there had “absolutely not” been any protests or negative developments as a result of a Syrian family, the al-Fakirs, recently moving to Dunshaughlin, Co Meath, as part of the project.

“We were overwhelmed by the welcome and outpouring of love that we encountered on our arrival, and since,” Zuhair al-Fakir said.

The project is part of the Government’s commitment to resettle 4,000 Syrians from UN refugee camps. The Department of Justice said there would be a “stringent vetting process” before families were invited to Ireland."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/protest-galvanises-plan-to-invite-syrian-family-to-lismore-1.3816858%3fmode=amp

completedit · 15-03-2019 12:34am

I hate to agree with the naysayers, I remember being 17 and going into town and loving the diversity but it’s gonna end in disaster. The Polish and whoever else are economic migrants close to home, it’s a different type of migration, for the Africans it’s a different dynamic completely.

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 12:34am

Dante7 wrote: »

Ah, so you and the other user, "Effects" are engaging in Sealioning. You want to send me off on an internet odyssey to retrieve information that you already know exists. When I come back with these facts, you will just ignore them and move the goalposts again, and ask for more stats.

Can you please provide me with the facts that prove that asylum seekers and economic migrants do not leap frog the indigenous population on housing lists. I'll wait.

The Irish Refugee Initiative.

Signed in 2017
The Irish Refugee Sponsorship Initiative is part of The Global Refugee Sponsorship Initiative which is .. " a joint initiative led by the Government of Canada; the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) , the Open Society Foundations; the Giustra Foundation; and the University of Ottawa " ... [link]

It was announced in September 2016 following the UN Summit for Refugees and Migrants 2016, and officially launched in December 2016 in Ottawa, Canada.

Ireland signed up to the initiative through Minister for Justice Charles Flanagan and David Stanton, Minister of State for Immigration .

Only 4 Other Countries have enrolled in the programme so far .. Argentina , New zealand , the UK and its founder Canada .

As part of our membership , Ireland has agreed that in addition to our existing intake of refugees and asylum seekers (through the refugee protection programme and asylum system) , a new system would be established which will be led by the private sector , various NGOs and Lobbiests .

Under the new system , private organisations or sponsors apply to the government to bring in migrants/refugees from various migrant camps in Europe , Africa or the Middle East . The arrivals bypass the asylum process and are given direct housing , employment and schooling by their sponsors .

Statistics from the Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner show that between 20/11/2000 and 31/12/2016 , there were 76,547 asylum applications processed in Ireland making Ireland one the highest intakers of asylum seekers per head of population of any country in the EU .

Edit: that reply was meant for someone else.

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 12:39am

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/news/joint-statement-regional-support-organisations-welcome-official-launch-by-minister-stanton-of-community-sponsorship/7002

quote

'The supports include meeting people at the airport; providing a warm welcome and cultural orientation; providing housing; furniture; supporting access to medical and social services; English language tuition; and support towards employment and self-sufficiency. Such initiatives not only provide a real future for the refugees themselves but also have proven to bring communities closer together'

They do not languish on housing lists, they go directly into housing.

corner of hells · 15-03-2019 12:40am

Dante7 wrote: »

Ah, so you and the other user, "Effects" are engaging in Sealioning. You want to send me off on an internet odyssey to retrieve information that you already know exists. When I come back with these facts, you will just ignore them and move the goalposts again, and ask for more stats.

Can you please provide me with the facts that prove that asylum seekers and economic migrants do not leap frog the indigenous population on housing lists. I'll wait.

You need to calm down , I'm not trying to wind you up.

Effects · 15-03-2019 1:28am

Dante7 wrote: »

Can you please provide me with the facts that prove that asylum seekers and economic migrants do not leap frog the indigenous population on housing lists. I'll wait.

I haven't made that claim. Why do I need to show proof for something I haven't expressed as either fact or opinion. Sounds like you're just digging a bigger hole for yourself while trying to throw muck at other people.

VeryTerry · 15-03-2019 1:42am

givyjoe wrote: »

Perhaps you could report some racist black lads who nearly murdered an innocent white kid, if you're not too busy like.

When did that happen?

SporadicMan · 15-03-2019 1:45am

When you see the reaction from most of the country when you even try and discuss the level of immigration we have from Africa, you can start to understand why we've been at England's mercy for most of our history.

There really is not even a 1% of self preservation left in our society.

kittensmittens · 15-03-2019 1:45am

VeryTerry wrote: »

When did that happen?

You're not in the slightest bit funny mate...thats a 14yr kid lying in a hospital bed in a bad way.

D1ck comment tbh

VeryTerry · 15-03-2019 1:47am

kittensmittens wrote: »

You're not in the slightest bit funny mate...thats a 14yr kid lying in a hospital bed in a bad way.

D1ck comment tbh

Excuse me?

The mother of the victim has identified 4 alleged attackers. Two are black and two are white. The comment I responded to suggested it was a racist attack by blacks on a white kid. So it's either a different case or he's full of ****.

Calm down and read the facts.

kittensmittens · 15-03-2019 1:55am

VeryTerry wrote: »

Excuse me?

The mother of the victim has identified 4 alleged attackers. Two are black and two are white. The comment I responded to suggest it was a racist attack by blacks on a white kid.

Calm down and read the facts.

Excuse you? No I dont think I shall. Your passive aggressiveness washes over me completely.
You know full well that there are more than 4 involved. If you dont, then you should.
But what my comment was in reference to, and you full well know, is that smart alek reply you made to givyjoe....

I didnt happen eh?? I mean, as per your response to givyjoe...
Should be totally ashamed of yourself

An edit to match your edit
Your edit makes you come off even worse

VeryTerry · 15-03-2019 2:00am

kittensmittens wrote: »

I didnt happen eh??

What does that mean?

hatrickpatrick · 15-03-2019 2:29am

This country needs more prisons, tougher sentences, electronic GPS monitoring if convicted scum bags to quickly tie them to incidents like this, and a general “scumbags are not welcome on our streets” attitude. For far too long, being a violent scumbag has resulted in almost nonexistent consequences until those wcunbas “graduate“ to organized crime and murder. It has to change. Every individual involved in this attack should be looking at a jail sentence lasting for something in the vicinity of a decade of their lives.

Sam Quentin · 15-03-2019 2:49am

I take it that 100s if not 1000s of these asbos have been issued in the last few years!?
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/children_and_young_offenders/anti_social_behaviour_by_children.html

not yet · 15-03-2019 7:10am

Effects wrote: »

What slur do Dublin people use instead?

Yore ma

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-03-2019 8:26am

MFPM wrote: »

So we should do the same with all parents - if junior acts up you're going to jail?

There should be some sort of punishment

Withhold child benefit. Move them down the housing list. The problem is any punishment punishes the poor more.

But something should be done, it's a parents responsibility to make sure their child isn't acting like a scumbag and causing harm.

Effects · 15-03-2019 10:41am

not yet wrote: »

Yore ma

I don’t think so, I’ve never heard of someone in Dublin use yore ma in place of “monkey”, or any other similarly disgusting slur.

GinAndBitter · 15-03-2019 2:12pm

Effects wrote: »

I don’t think so, I’ve never heard of someone in Dublin use yore ma in place of “monkey”, or any other similarly disgusting slur.

So what have you heard used instead of monkey? Seeing as you asked that very question of a poster on the previous page of the thread.

The Satanist · 15-03-2019 3:04pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTW56yTjnVY

The mother of the young lad that got attacked just posted this on her Facebook, apparently some of the scum that attacked her son are in this video.

K32 is the eircode for Balbriggan, maybe the Ashbourne attackers came from there after all, since there's a direct bus.

Also, I've had to power wash my ears after that.

Kivaro · 15-03-2019 3:26pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/news/joint-statement-regional-support-organisations-welcome-official-launch-by-minister-stanton-of-community-sponsorship/7002

quote

'The supports include meeting people at the airport; providing a warm welcome and cultural orientation; providing housing; furniture; supporting access to medical and social services; English language tuition; and support towards employment and self-sufficiency. Such initiatives not only provide a real future for the refugees themselves but also have proven to bring communities closer together'

They do not languish on housing lists, they go directly into housing.

I don't think the bit in bold is working.

MrFresh · 15-03-2019 3:42pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I don't think the bit in bold is working.

Why not?

Blueshoe · 15-03-2019 8:35pm

MFPM wrote: »

Nothing, they just have some humanity, not sure what you could find difficult with that.

Gullible more like. Too many chancers would use the opportunity as an easy route into Europe.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-03-2019 5:36am

My worry is we are headed for a place like Sweden is in....i.e trouble.

It's a numbers game (unless you believe we are somehow attracting a higher calibre of aylsum seeker/migrant). If someone can tell me what we are doing better that avoids the trouble that every other western country on the continent is experiencing i'd love to hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4

My main concern, and I have said it over and over in relation to Irish scumbaggery, is that we don't have a proper functioning police force or a justice system. Other countries do and they are struggling to cope. It does not get better from here if you look at the experience on the continent.

I don't believe for a second this country could cope.

Going on other European experience especially Paris and many many other cities I think we have problems coming very soon and this thread is pretty sad really because it is only the start and there won't be an end.

Maybe i'm totally wrong and I hope I am but I don't think so...

Giveaway · 16-03-2019 8:11am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My worry is we are headed for a place like Sweden is in....i.e trouble.

It's a numbers game (unless you believe we are somehow attracting a higher calibre of aylsum seeker/migrant). If someone can tell me what we are doing better that avoids the trouble that every other western country on the continent is experiencing i'd love to hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4

My main concern, and I have said it over and over in relation to Irish scumbaggery, is that we don't have a proper functioning police force or a justice system. Other countries do and they are struggling to cope. It does not get better from here if you look at the experience on the continent.

I don't believe for a second this country could cope.

Going on other European experience especially Paris and many many other cities I think we have problems coming very soon and this thread is pretty sad really because it is only the start and there won't be an end.

Maybe i'm totally wrong and I hope I am but I don't think so...

The Irish people have a history for sorting things out despite the governing authority. The current justice system will be forced to up its game or it will be replaced. The justice system replacing it won,t be mindless vigilantism either
Edit with the current commitment to europe a continental style criminal justice system based on the code napolean would have merit, especialy a judge directing the investigation of serious crime

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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