Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

Il Fascista · 27-11-2018 6:20pm

batgoat wrote: »

Refugees are not an invading force. The US have signed up to conventions on refugees so they are very much so not recognised and have a right to seek asylum. They are not supposed to be tear gassed.

The asylum seeker narrative is one that only popped up since Trump was elected, it was an argument rarely made previously because most of these people aren't even trying to apply for asylum because they know they'd get rejected. It was even reported by MSNBC:

hatrickpatrick · 27-11-2018 6:30pm

I don't support anti-immigration politicians, but as a matter of national sovereignty a country should have the absolute right to entirely close its border and accept absolutely no entry whatsoever from non-citizens if it so chooses. This narrative has turned into a "we don't have total autonomy over our own border" from the Democratic side and I find that whole angle of argument highly disturbing.

I wouldn't support such a move myself, but the idea that a democratic country doesn't have full autonomy over its own land is f*cked up in the extreme.

Danzy · 27-11-2018 7:55pm

That is a very selective reading.

I think it is a reading that died in 2008 with the financial crash.

The free market approach was severely damaged in the eyes of too many, dressing it up as s solidarity or internationalism doesn't change what it is in effect.

Billy86 · 06-12-2018 12:43am

Isn't it strange how little news coverage this has been getting since................... oooh, about exactly November 7th, 2018?

mammajamma · 06-12-2018 12:51am

Billy86 wrote: »

Isn't it strange how little news coverage this has been getting since................... oooh, about exactly November 7th, 2018?

Its easy to think that, and there is always a political angle, on absolutely everything.

The thing is, it is a real and tangible problem that did come to fruition. And as lauded at the time, has every indication of growing.

So whats worse? A politically-angled, serious, issue that receives attention for a limited time, or a serious issue that isn't reported upon?

As usual these days, mass media is lagging behind public opinion. More and more are paying attention to these things, even as the issues are swept under the carpet.

Cant outrun inevitability. This stuff is going to come to a head, IMO it will be THE issue of this century, obviously intertwined with global warming. We are just at the beginning.

Outlaw Pete · 06-12-2018 2:24am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Either way, it doesn't justify firing tear gas at kids.

Oh give the sanctimony a rest.

Dozens of people were shot and killed for throwing rocks at the border patrol during Obama's tenure, many of them were teenagers. Where were all the bleeding heart liberals then?

From 2013:

Why is U.S. Border Patrol Shooting Rock-Throwing Teenagers?

Sixteen-year old Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez was walking near the U.S.-Mexico border in Nogales, Sonora, Mexico to meet his brother for a late-night snack when he was fatally shot by U.S. Border Patrol agents. An autopsy later showed the body of the teenager had been riddled with 10 bullets that had entered his back and head.

Mexican officials also said it seemed there were two agents who shot at least 14 times. More than a year later, the U.S. government has yet to issue a public explanation of what happened, or to release stationary video footage, except to allege that he was part of a group throwing rocks at Border Patrol agents who were up on a hill, behind the 60-foot tall border fence.

This week, the ACLU of New Mexico Regional Center for Border Rights is joining an ACLU delegation and participating as a civil society member in a review of the U.S. record on human rights under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, in Geneva, Switzerland.

A chief concern presented to the U.N. Human Rights Committee has been the rash of lethal use-of-force incidents at the border, including the death of Elena Rodriguez. Since January 2010, at least 28 civilians have died following an encounter with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)personnel; 27 died as the result of use of force.

These deaths include numerous cases of individuals being shot in the back, across international borders, and in response to alleged rock throwing. One-third of the deaths are of U.S. citizens and one-third of minors, including three boys aged 15, 16 and 17, who were fatally shot while standing on the Mexican side of the border.

Were CNN, NBC, NY Times, SNL, The Daily Show etc etc all on Obama's back, night after night, when this was going on? Were they fcuk. In fact, in the above article I just linked to, Obama isn't even mentioned! Yet today when someone bad happens at the border the liberal media (worldwide) act like Trump personally sanctioned it. Can you imagine Time magazine photoshopping one of those dead teenagers onto their cover with Obama hovering over them holding a gun, with the caption 'Welcome to America'? Course not. Would never have happened but yet it's seemingly perfectly fine to photoshop a crying little girl on to it with Trump hovering her suggesting he was happy to see her in despair.

In one of Obama's last addresses to the nation he cited the fact that children were being mistreated at the border ("ripping children from their parent's arms" he called it) and also suggested that he'd support deporting any immigrant who had illegally crossed the border in the last five years. All things which liberals, and the liberal media, have tried to pretend weren't uttered by the man, and to be fair..... they've been largely successful in doing so. Credit were credit's due. Propaganda works.

Hell, even Obama himself has been acting like he didn't make similar decisions to Trump when he was POTUS and either he's hoping everyone has a short memory or he just knows that liberals won't call him on it. Maybe a bit of both. Here's a good example of it:

But yet, despite these self righteous remarks, guess who it was that also sent troops to the border:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDwt5UNV_4

That's just one example. In this clip you'll see many remarks (with regards to immigration) being made by Bill Clinton and Barack which Trump has been lambasted for saying in recent times... quite often by these very individuals, ironically enough.

So enough with using every single damn negative thing that happens in the States as yet another opportunity to berate Trump. Just be honest and say you hate him because of his political views and not because he has "gassed kids", or "committed treason" or "sided with the Russians" or whatever the hell it is today that has you all up in arms.

Trust me, if he does something which is disgraceful or contemptible, I'll be just as critical as anyone else, but so far, I really don't see him doing all that much wrong, or at least nothing remotely close to what he would need to have done in the last two years to have warranted the non stop whinging from the liberal media which we've witnessed.

Captain Obvious · 06-12-2018 9:07am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh give the sanctimony a rest.

Only if you give your agenda a rest.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Dozens of people were shot and killed for throwing rocks at the border patrol during Obama's tenure, many of them were teenagers. Where were all the bleeding heart liberals then?

From 2013:

Were CNN, NBC, NY Times, SNL, The Daily Show etc etc all on Obama's back, night after night, when this was going on? Were they fcuk. In fact, in the above article I just linked to, Obama isn't even mentioned! Yet today when someone bad happens at the border the liberal media (worldwide) act like Trump personally sanctioned it. Can you imagine Time magazine photoshopping one of those dead teenagers onto their cover with Obama hovering over them holding a gun, with the caption 'Welcome to America'? Course not. Would never have happen but yet it's seemingly perfectly fine to photoshop a crying little girl on to it with Trump.

In fact in one of Obama's last addresses to the nation he cited the fact that children were being mistreated at the border ("ripping children from their parent's arms" he called it) and also suggested that he support deporting any immigrant who had illegally crossed the border in the last five years. All things which liberals, and the liberal media, have tried to pretend weren't uttered by the man, and to be fair, they've been largely successful in doing so. Credit were credit's due. Propaganda works.

Hell, even Obama himself has been acting like he didn't make similar decisions to Trump when he was POTUS and either he's hoping everyone has a short memory or he just knows the liberals won't call him on it (maybe a bit of both). Here's a good example of it:

But yet, despite these self righteous remarks, guess who it was that also sent troops to the border:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDwt5UNV_4

That's just one example. In this clip you'll see many remarks (with regards to immigration) being made by Bill Clinton and Barack which Trump has been lambasted for saying in recent times... quite often by these very individuals, ironically enough.

So enough with using every single damn negative thing that happens in the States as yet another opportunity to berate Trump. Just be honest and say you hate him because of his political views and not because he has "gassed kids", or "committed treason" or "sided with the Russians" or whatever the hell it is today that has you all up in arms.

So you think they were justified in tear gassing kids?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Trust me, if he does something which is disgraceful or contemptible, I'll be just as critical as everyone else, but so far, I really don't see him doing all that much wrong, or at least nothing remotely close to what he would need to have done in the last two years to have warranted the non stop whinging from the liberal media.

Well that's just a reflection of your own moral compass.

Dannyriver · 06-12-2018 1:18pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh give the sanctimony a rest.

Dozens of people were shot and killed for throwing rocks at the border patrol during Obama's tenure, many of them were teenagers. Where were all the bleeding heart liberals then?

From 2013:

Were CNN, NBC, NY Times, SNL, The Daily Show etc etc all on Obama's back, night after night, when this was going on? Were they fcuk. In fact, in the above article I just linked to, Obama isn't even mentioned! Yet today when someone bad happens at the border the liberal media (worldwide) act like Trump personally sanctioned it. Can you imagine Time magazine photoshopping one of those dead teenagers onto their cover with Obama hovering over them holding a gun, with the caption 'Welcome to America'? Course not. Would never have happened but yet it's seemingly perfectly fine to photoshop a crying little girl on to it with Trump hovering her suggesting he was happy to see her in despair.

In one of Obama's last addresses to the nation he cited the fact that children were being mistreated at the border ("ripping children from their parent's arms" he called it) and also suggested that he'd support deporting any immigrant who had illegally crossed the border in the last five years. All things which liberals, and the liberal media, have tried to pretend weren't uttered by the man, and to be fair..... they've been largely successful in doing so. Credit were credit's due. Propaganda works.

Hell, even Obama himself has been acting like he didn't make similar decisions to Trump when he was POTUS and either he's hoping everyone has a short memory or he just knows that liberals won't call him on it. Maybe a bit of both. Here's a good example of it:

But yet, despite these self righteous remarks, guess who it was that also sent troops to the border:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDwt5UNV_4

That's just one example. In this clip you'll see many remarks (with regards to immigration) being made by Bill Clinton and Barack which Trump has been lambasted for saying in recent times... quite often by these very individuals, ironically enough.

So enough with using every single damn negative thing that happens in the States as yet another opportunity to berate Trump. Just be honest and say you hate him because of his political views and not because he has "gassed kids", or "committed treason" or "sided with the Russians" or whatever the hell it is today that has you all up in arms.

Trust me, if he does something which is disgraceful or contemptible, I'll be just as critical as anyone else, but so far, I really don't see him doing all that much wrong, or at least nothing remotely close to what he would need to have done in the last two years to have warranted the non stop whinging from the liberal media which we've witnessed.

What aspects of his leadership/policy/attitudes/would you berate now that you've addressed the fact that 'gassing kids' 'treason' and 'siding with the Russians' is ok with you?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 06-12-2018 3:09pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Trust me, if he does something which is disgraceful or contemptible, I'll be just as critical as anyone else, but so far, I really don't see him doing all that much wrong, or at least nothing remotely close to what he would need to have done in the last two years to have warranted the non stop whinging from the liberal media which we've witnessed.

I suppose open appeals to racial hatred and peddling of dog whistle conspiracies weren't enough to irk Pete.

TeaBagMania · 06-12-2018 5:37pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So you think they were justified in tear gassing kids?

Maybe if their parents used better judgement than bringing their kids with them to invade a country they wouldn't have been in the line of fire.

Blame the parents not the US for defending its borders

Billy86 · 06-12-2018 5:42pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Maybe if their parents used better judgement than bringing their kids with them to invade a country they wouldn't have been in the line of fire.

Blame the parents not the US for defending its borders

What is your opinion on the US citizens and their children who have been were ripped away from them, and who they might never see again given how many of those children have 'gone missing' in care?

TeaBagMania · 06-12-2018 5:47pm

Billy, i don't understand your question, US citizens had their kids taken? if so, when and where

Wibbs · 06-12-2018 5:51pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I suppose open appeals to racial hatred and peddling of dog whistle conspiracies weren't enough to irk Pete.

As Pete notes propaganda works. Look, Trump is a puffed up boor, but as far as policies towards the rest of the world go, the only difference between him and Obama and previous professional politicians is they had far better PR and more public restraint. They kissed the right babies and smiled the good smile. Obama rode into the White House on the colour of his skin and got a fair bit of leeway for it too*. He also came across as very personable. I mean this was a lacklustre senator who scoops the big prize and FFS gets a Nobel Peace Prize, before he had done a damn thing. He was also cool and the gang with increasing the use of drones with their "collateral damage" included.

In the end there's little practical downrange diff between the current guy and the last and the next will be more of the same.

*this is not to deny the very real grassroots genuine need and support and nay relief for that, especially considering the parlous state of race politics in that country. He got elected on hope.

Captain Obvious · 06-12-2018 5:52pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Maybe if their parents used better judgement than bringing their kids with them to invade a country they wouldn't have been in the line of fire.

Blame the parents not the US for defending its borders

No. If someone hurts a child I blame the person who hurts the child.

Wibbs · 06-12-2018 5:54pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No. If someone hurts a child I blame the person who hurts the child.

So take a scenario where a kid has a bomb strapped to him or her and marches towards an army checkpoint and gets shot. That's the soldier's fault?

TeaBagMania · 06-12-2018 6:02pm

Agreed Wibbs, its almost like these parents brought their kids to what they knew was going to become a war zone then use them as a shield, because no one would ever hurt a child
yep parents to blame

On a separate note, check out google maps, the Texas border is closer to Mexico City than Tijuana, why did they travel three times farther than they had too?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 06-12-2018 6:03pm

Central America is the world's toilet and you couldn't blame anyone for wanting to leave.

But you can't go about it in this manner, it's ludicrous behaviour. The law applies to everyone.

Those shoving children in front of border guards should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Vile.

Captain Obvious · 06-12-2018 6:56pm

Wibbs wrote: »

So take a scenario where a kid has a bomb strapped to him or her and marches towards an army checkpoint and gets shot. That's the soldier's fault?

No Wibbs, I think I'd give him a pass there because he's unfortunately been placed in the position that he has to choose between the childs life and the victims of the bomb. You might call that the exception to the rule. Completely irrelevant to what we are discussing of course but seeing as how it's otherwise indefensible I understand why you needed to go to such an extreme.

batgoat · 06-12-2018 7:30pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Central America is the world's toilet and you couldn't blame anyone for wanting to leave.

But you can't go about it in this manner, it's ludicrous behaviour. The law applies to everyone.

Those shoving children in front of border guards should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Vile.

But pepper spraying the children doesn't seem to count or what? Or taking children away from their parents and putting them in camps?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 06-12-2018 7:32pm

Wibbs wrote: »

As Pete notes propaganda works. Look, Trump is a puffed up boor, but as far as policies towards the rest of the world go, the only difference between him and Obama and previous professional politicians is they had far better PR and more public restraint. They kissed the right babies and smiled the good smile. Obama rode into the White House on the colour of his skin and got a fair bit of leeway for it too*. He also came across as very personable. I mean this was a lacklustre senator who scoops the big prize and FFS gets a Nobel Peace Prize, before he had done a damn thing. He was also cool and the gang with increasing the use of drones with their "collateral damage" included.

In the end there's little practical downrange diff between the current guy and the last and the next will be more of the same.

*this is not to deny the very real grassroots genuine need and support and nay relief for that, especially considering the parlous state of race politics in that country. He got elected on hope.

I would actually agree with much of that. But I still think Trump is utterly toxic. His entire movement is fascistic and running on hatred.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 06-12-2018 7:33pm

It's funny to hear people describe Mexico as a safe country.

uptothetop · 06-12-2018 7:47pm

That is crazy! Why their own government won't do something about that? That's unbelievable! And what is worst, if US, Mexico, etc will do anything about that, like let these people into their own territory, there will be plenty and plenty more of these "immigrants". Look what Angie Merkel did. She brought as many immigrants as she could, mostly to France. Then she gave up, she quit, she is gone, that is not her problem anymore. Then these immigrants made president of France, Macron quit. Now the whole country is destabilized. France's own head of country cowardly gave up the seat and is gone just like Angie. isn't that wired?

fxotoole · 06-12-2018 7:52pm

mammajamma wrote: »

This is just kerrraaazy!

I've heard mention of it over the last few days but only read into it tonight. According to different sources there are between 4 and 15 thousand people marching toward the border of the united states, with more joining in each day.

This particular caravan is from Honduras in the main, but already there are apparently several other copy-cat caravans starting from Salvador and other places too.

Looking at videos of the marching lines it just seems apocalyptic. Whats going to happen here, and more importantly, whats the knock-on effect going forward? Is there going to be violence at the border and people killed en masse (already many clashes along other countries borders)?

Why are they walking through several safe countries if they just want to escape so-called immediate oppression?

If the united states lets them in, surely that's the signal for the whole of central and south America to just walk in and set up shop. What signal will that send about Europe, if any?

This is going to end really badly. Its so out of control, I don't even have a suggestion as to how to fix it.

Does anyone else see this ending in a good way?

Not having your intelligence services constantly interfering in soveirgn countries affairs would be a start

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 06-12-2018 7:52pm

uptothetop wrote: »

That is crazy! Why their own government won't do something about that? That's unbelievable! And what is worst, if US, Mexico, etc will do anything about that, like let these people into their own territory, there will be plenty and plenty more of these "immigrants". Look what Angie Merkel did. She brought as many immigrants as she could, mostly to France. Then she gave up, she quit, she is gone, that is not her problem anymore. Then these immigrants made president of France, Macron quit. Now the whole country is destabilized. France's own head of country cowardly gave up the seat and is gone just like Angie. isn't that wired?

The only thing that's wired is you, with the drivel you're spouting.

Nermal · 06-12-2018 8:48pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No. If someone hurts a child I blame the person who hurts the child.

Pedophrasty.

https://medium.com/incerto/pedophrasty-bigoteering-and-other-modern-scams-c84bd70a29e8

Billy86 · 06-12-2018 9:14pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Billy, i don't understand your question, US citizens had their kids taken? if so, when and where

What is your opinion on the Trump administration kidnapping children not just from migrants, but from US citizens? And what is your opinion on these children of US citizens (along with over one and a half thousand children of migrants) just mysteriously "going missing"?

Captain Obvious · 06-12-2018 9:21pm

Nermal wrote: »

Pedophrasty.

https://medium.com/incerto/pedophrasty-bigoteering-and-other-modern-scams-c84bd70a29e8

Nah, basic humanity.

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 3:04am

Billy86 wrote: »

What is your opinion on the Trump administration kidnapping children not just from migrants, but from US citizens? And what is your opinion on these children of US citizens (along with over one and a half thousand children of migrants) just mysteriously "going missing"?

Looks like Fake News and the CNN = Communist News Network

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 3:28am

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Looks like Fake News and the CNN = Communist News Network

So you're fine with children of US citizens being kidnapped, drugged, tortured and "going missing" but don't have the courage to just come out and say it. To be honest, this is exactly what I expected you to reply with as it's a standard practice for cultists to jam their fingers in their ears and pretend not to hear what is inconvenient - the admission admitting they "might have" taken children of US citizens are direct quotes from them, and the link to that is not even from CNN.

Here are some more links for you to pretend not to have seen:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-family-separation-us-citizen-child-separated-2018-7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/us-immigration-family-separations-doj-us-citizens

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 5:26am

Total BS from a typical libtard, you should seriously consider moving to commifornia
Maybe you could save all the kids from CNN

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 5:49am

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Total BS from a typical libtard, you should seriously consider moving to commifornia
Maybe you could save all the kids from CNN

Again, the multiple links stating it are direct quotes and not even from CNN, but you feel free carry on wilfully ignoring reality in order to prove your loyalty. In no way is it the exact expected reaction from a member of a cult of personality.

Captain Obvious · 07-12-2018 10:43am

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Total BS from a typical libtard, you should seriously consider moving to commifornia
Maybe you could save all the kids from CNN

The sad thing is about 35% of people in the US seem to think like this. It's a real indictment on their education system.

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 2:48pm

Yes, to have doubt and not blindly believe everything you see or read, guess that makes us all right wing wacko's

A picture speaks a thousand words. If a news organization posts a picture of a boarder agent taking a child from their mothers arms, how do you really know whats happening without being there?
Maybe the mothers back is tired and needs a break, maybe the mother needs to attend to another child, maybe the border agent is taking the child to get medical attention, or food, or how the libtards like to portray it... boarder guard rips child from crying mothers arms to sell on the black market.

Captain Obvious · 07-12-2018 3:32pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Yes, to have doubt and not blindly believe everything you see or read, guess that makes us all right wing wacko's

A picture speaks a thousand words. If a news organization posts a picture of a boarder agent taking a child from their mothers arms, how do you really know whats happening without being there?
Maybe the mothers back is tired and needs a break, maybe the mother needs to attend to another child, maybe the border agent is taking the child to get medical attention, or food, or how the libtards like to portray it... boarder guard rips child from crying mothers arms to sell on the black market.

If you are going to call someone some kind of "tard" you should probably be able to spell simple words like "border". You might even have a point if we only had one picture to go by but that would be very much understating the evidence.

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 3:56pm

yes because you cant make a similar fake news story with more than one picture

sry bout my gramr mistakes, its ma merican edumacation and allz. hope you can find it your hart to furgive me

Captain Obvious · 07-12-2018 5:22pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

yes because you cant make a similar fake news story with more than one picture

sry bout my gramr mistakes, its ma merican edumacation and allz. hope you can find it your hart to furgive me

Pictures, witnesses and court cases.

jmayo · 07-12-2018 5:57pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

They shouldn't be bringing their kids? That's just an idiotic argument. Should they leave them behind in the country they are fleeing from? ...

Well your fellow pro migrant folks seem to pedal the line that it is too dangerous for women and kids when it comes to African, Middle Easterner and Asian young men entering Europe. :rolleyes:

They are supposedly paving the way are they not and the women and children are left at home to be brought over later.
Why aren't the ones in Central America doing likewise ?

Or are they saying that the threat to women and children is much worse in Central And South America than say from ISIS, al-al-Shabab, Boko Haram, Jama'at Nusrat al Islam, Ansar al-Islam, etc, etc ?

Maybe if I search through your posts I might find that argument ??

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 6:09pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Yes, to have doubt and not blindly believe everything you see or read, guess that makes us all right wing wacko's

Doubt over what? You appear you be trying to claim that the media made that report out of thin air and pretended it came from the federal government, despite the federal government never complaining about it because... well because the report came from the federal government themselves.

Like I said, you're willfully denying reality when it is inconvenient, in order to prove your loyalty. That is what happens in cults, and the fact that it is now the default position of Trump supporters on most things related to him, and by you here, shows why Trumpism is about as textbook a cult as one could hope to find.

I never expected you to engage in the facts, and I doubt anyone else did either. I would ask you to draw a line in the sand as to what would actually make you turn against Trump, but the fact is way too many times (including on AH) when Trump then does cross that line, I'm good as definite you would pretend you never said it, even when it was pointed out to you that you did. If drugged and tortured children, including those of US citizens as per the government themselves, "going missing" due to his decisions won't test your devotion to The Leader, then nothing will.

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 6:21pm

facts, what facts? A couple of news articles?
Trump has done more good for this country than both those previous idiots combined (Odumbazz and Clinton)

Edit - hope i didnt make any spelling mistakes

super_furry · 07-12-2018 6:22pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Total BS from a typical libtard, you should seriously consider moving to commifornia
Maybe you could save all the kids from CNN

Libtard? Commifornia?

This is a parody account, right?

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 6:30pm

Damn, you guys figured me out. im actually Billy86 having an argument with one my multiple personalities

Yikes! · 07-12-2018 6:35pm

Why didn't they seek asylum in Mexico? Why didn't the 'Syrian refugees' seek refuge in the first safe country instead going all the way to Germoney?

How odd.

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 6:39pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

facts, what facts? A couple of news articles>

So you're saying Trump's federal government were lying about themselves? Either they were lying about themselves, or they admitted that children of US citizens are likely being taken, too... so which is it?

Assuming you're going to avoid answering this or try to claim 'neither' with no good reason, thanks for furthering my point about cults and the unquestioning loyalty of members to The Leader, even if it means willfully ignoring reality to do so.

Trump has done more good for this country than both those previous idiots combined (Odumbazz and Clinton)

So loyal, so loyal.

ebbsy · 07-12-2018 6:43pm

Trump is correct. Last thing a country needs is guys coming in and slaughtering kids at concerts or groping women at festivals, or mowing down people in trucks.

These are facts.

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 6:49pm

ebbsy wrote: »

Trump is correct. Last thing a country needs is guys coming in and slaughtering kids at concerts or groping women at festivals, or mowing down people in trucks.

These are facts.

What is your opinion on Trump's government also admitting they have likely been taking children from US citizens too?

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 6:54pm

ebbsy wrote: »

Trump is correct. Last thing a country needs is guys coming in and slaughtering kids at concerts or groping women at festivals, or mowing down people in trucks.

These are facts.

unfortunately its already too late for the US and it will be for Ireland too.

if you are fine with the likes of what you see in London and Paris by all means keep importing them

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 7:02pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

unfortunately its already too late for the US and it will be for Ireland too.

if you are fine with the likes of what you see in London and Paris by all means keep importing them

Reality check here, so ram your fingers in your ears as you please if it makes you feel Loyal, but the US has a higher percentage foreign born population than the UK or France... and all three of them are lower than Ireland - https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm

I see you've done exactly as predicted on my last post, and are avoiding answering the inconvenient truth that Trump's own government were the ones saying that children of US citizens have also likely been taken. So loyal... loyal and predictable.

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 7:17pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Reality check here, so ram your fingers in your ears as you please if it makes you feel Loyal, but the US has a higher percentage foreign born population than the UK or France... and all three of them are lower than Ireland - https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm

I see you've done exactly as predicted on my last post, and are avoiding answering the inconvenient truth that Trump's own government were the ones saying that children of US citizens have also likely been taken. So loyal... loyal and predictable.

that graph is highly confusing even after reading the definition but it seems like its referencing the percentage of population that have left the country in questions. i.e. 16.4% of people born in Ireland have emigrated.

i see you have still failed to prove Trumps government said any of the such

Billy86 · 07-12-2018 7:26pm

TeaBagMania wrote: »

that graph is highly confusing even after reading the definition but it seems like its referencing the percentage of population that have left the country in questions. i.e. 16.4% of people born in Ireland have emigrated.

No, it is for foreign born population.

From the link: The foreign-born population covers all people who have ever migrated from their country of birth to their current country of residence. The foreign-born population data shown here include people born abroad as nationals of their current country of residence. The difference across countries between the size of the foreign-born population and that of the foreign population depends on the rules governing the acquisition of citizenship in each country. This indicator is measured as a percentage of population.

The US is higher than both France and the UK, and Ireland is higher than all three. They even give a description:

i see you have still failed to prove Trumps government said any of the such

I have repeatedly posted it. Over and over and over. You refused to click on the links "because CNN" even though the links to it were not from CNN, because confronting the reality isn't something you seem remotely interested in. Keep proving that Loyalty, I'm sure you'll get a gold star or something at the end.

TeaBagMania · 07-12-2018 7:38pm

Than there is no way that graph is accurate, you telling me Ireland has a higher foreign born population than the UK or France? thats total BS

you posted links to news organizations, post a youtube video of trump saying the us government steals babies and sells them on the black market, or the like

Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

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