Where do we go from here?

Munsterlad102 · 17-01-2021 10:23pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Said the dude looking for a CF semi-auto rifle.:P:P
No, we just point out that it is EXTREMELY difficult to own ,x,y,z...Which it is, and that it is a rigorous process, which it is, and that technically said you "could lose this with no compensation" if this legislation is enacted..which is true, were itto come up. Plus, its the owner of the channel whether he wants to go there or not,not us.

Got me there Grizz

maybe not tell them about being able to lose it without any compensation, we don’t want to be giving them any ideas. Probably best not to be shouting the fact that we can own ARs from the rooftops, but if we’re asked we would have to be honest.

Feisar · 17-01-2021 10:23pm

Cass wrote: »

Exactly.

In the UK and in most EU countries they can shoot at targets outside a range. Our own Minster said he never intended to outlaw such practices, but never done anything to change it. Maybe we can through lobbying and letter writing. I believe, but will check, its only an SI prohibiting it and so can be changed without the need for an amendment, or repeal of a section, to the Act.

Excellent idea btw.

I’m mad to get lobbying for reloading at home but plinking is so much more important in the grand scheme of things.

tudderone · 17-01-2021 10:25pm

Cass wrote: »

Getting older too. Not sure of the reasons but the younger generation don't have the same interest whether its lack of exposure or genuine disinterest, but it can be changed, the mentality.

I'd disagree for the reasons above. The keep quiet approach is not working in the long term, and we're dying slower, but dying none the less.

I find this with most past times or hobbies now. A mate of mine has a lovely workshop, all sorts of machinery, lathe, mills, power hacksaw, welding equipment, big place with plenty of room. He cannot get his kids interested in learning how to use it, they would rather sit around the warm of the house playing x-box or surfing the web.

Another friend is into astronomy, has all the gear, cannot get the kids into it or to even try it, rather be on bookface etc.

Same for lads into shooting, the kids just don't want to know, rather play call of duty or whatever online.

It must be a generational thing.

tudderone · 17-01-2021 10:27pm

Feisar wrote: »

I’m mad to get lobbying for reloading at home but plinking is so much more important in the grand scheme of things.

Even ranges have clamped down on it. We used to set up clay pigeons or plastic waterbottles on the backstop and shoot them with the rifles, but the club doesn't allow it anymore.

Cass · 17-01-2021 10:28pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They won't even LOOK at the site they hate it that much,which is the problem. Hence they keep pumping out mis and inaccurate information.

There is nothing i can do about that so i'll not worry about it. i'll hope they at least look in, but if they chose not to then as said, so be it, disappointing, but so be it.

Yeah, this is the thing tho. How many YT vids are there on or from Irish lads and their channels that produce current up to date clips?

I honestly don't know, but we have to start somewhere. Get some videos, even old ones, from current YT channels and we'll build from there.

And this is one ting that would help immensely here on boards is. Can it be modified to use audio questions and replies? Which would be a need for such as well as being helpful for longer posts?

Not sure if it can be done on the forum as that is beyond my technical understanding and ability (only admins/site owners can make such changes if its even possible as he forum is no longer the same format as it was 10 years ago).

For now we can set up question here and have them read out (like a phone in section, except YT) or directly onto the YT channel ( as this is not about the volume of traffic on Boards, but the sport the forum represents).

We can then look into setting up a Boards YT channel (or other platform provider) where we can create videos, provide a platform for lads to upload their videos, use it to advertise other channels and eventually do direct Q&A/AMA sessions.

That will be down the road and require a ton of work, but its something we can work on.

Grizzly 45 · 17-01-2021 10:30pm

Cass wrote: »

Exactly.

In the UK and in most EU countries they can shoot at targets outside a range. Our own Minster said he never intended to outlaw such practices, but never done anything to change it. Maybe we can through lobbying and letter writing. I believe, but will check, its only an SI prohibiting it and so can be changed without the need for an amendment, or repeal of a section, to the Act.

Excellent idea btw.

It is. Virtually any town or country in the US actually has a "designated shooting area" Some bit of wasteland that you can go away and plink away at whatever, with whatever you fancy or can legally own. It's usually next to the town dump for some reason.

Europe it's still formal enough. you still have to shoot on a range or your safe private property or your shooting let. Yet I cant understand that if you have a disused silage clamp or a sand pit on your property, why that can't be used by the owner or his guests?

Feisar · 17-01-2021 10:33pm

I got the 18 month old a Nerf gun, start ‘em early!

riffmongous · 17-01-2021 10:34pm

Europe is the way to go, the US is poison at the moment and it's got almost nothing in common with the Irish experience anyway. Look to the central European countries which have very high gun ownership rates and more importantly imo, an actual broad culture of hunting and shooting where the people don't all come off as trumpist gun nuts or the remains of the gentry, there's enough of a base that you get people from different walks of life into it, including lefties :rolleyes:

If you want to build that base more information on how to actually get involved is key. A few years ago if you didn't know anyone who does it already it was almost impossible to find anything locally, just a handful of decrepit websites. Then focus as much on the outdoor/nature/technical aspects as the shooting at the start as it's far more socially acceptable at the moment and just as interesting.

Cass · 17-01-2021 10:36pm

Feisar wrote: »

I’m mad to get lobbying for reloading at home

Another good point and something for the entire community to get behind.

but plinking is so much more important in the grand scheme of things.

Whatever the plan it needs to have an instant attraction. Reloading is boring, to me, and i know i'd rather be shooting so imagine what someone with a short attention span might think (i know you're not referring to just reloading). Its like snooker. I like playing it, but hate watching it on TV.

Even people i know that were unsure, against or neutral on shooting said they enjoyed it after trying it. Some stayed with their original opinion afterwards but some changed their minds and a very small few actually took up the sport. You cannot beat trigger time, as you said.

Cass · 17-01-2021 10:36pm

tudderone wrote: »

It must be a generational thing.

My young lad went through this and still is. He got his training license and was shooting for a short while then he discovered girls, and later on cars. I went through it but came back to the sport in my mid/late twenties. However i'd been at it since i was old enough to stand, my young lad really only came shooting because i dragged him along or asked him. IOW the immediate interest was never really there, so we'll see if he comes back to it.

I've found trying to "force" their interest has the opposite effect so i'll let him come bck to it if and when he is ready. Its for this reason i think starting younger is better, as was said by someone earlier.

Cass · 17-01-2021 10:39pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yet I cant understand that if you have a disused silage clamp or a sand pit on your property, why that can't be used by the owner or his guests?

It'll be a fight and a struggle all because of SI622/2011 which outlined what a range is and what is necessary. Meaning no more "overnight" plinking set-ups.

I doubt we'll get it repealed as its necessary for anyone building a range, but perhaps it can be amended to allow for zeroing, and we can go from there.

Grizzly 45 · 17-01-2021 10:39pm

tudderone wrote: »

Even ranges have clamped down on it. We used to set up clay pigeons or plastic waterbottles on the backstop and shoot them with the rifles, but the club doesn't allow it anymore.

Considering the utter mess you see that some of the lazy fokers leave behind from some of their "targets" and don't even bother to haul out their rubbish off the backstops...Are you surprised?
And this would be one thing thrown back at us Re the County plinking ranges... Pollution and rubbish not being removed to the point of this becoming a virtual fly tip. Not to mind the dreaded LEAD deposits and Noise that will upset the snowflakes. We have to sort those two points out before approaching any PTB re this.

Cass · 17-01-2021 10:46pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And this would be one thing thrown back at us Re the County plinking ranges...

When i suggested county plinking range i meant full time ranges, just on a small scale. So they'd have an RCO, ROs, members, etc. So none of the problems with "overnight" set ups.

They can be kept to rimfire for the start, but they must be legit ranges so that they can be "protected" under section 2(4)(d) and encourage youngsters.

Feisar · 17-01-2021 10:56pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Considering the utter mess you see that some of the lazy fokers leave behind from some of their "targets" and don't even bother to haul out their rubbish off the backstops...Are you surprised?
And this would be one thing thrown back at us Re the County plinking ranges... Pollution and rubbish not being removed to the point of this becoming a virtual fly tip. Not to mind the dreaded LEAD deposits and Noise that will upset the snowflakes. We have to sort those two points out before approaching any PTB re this.

We used to go to an old disused quarry, it became obvious other lads had never heard of “leave no trace”. No shooting signs up there now.

meathstevie · 17-01-2021 10:59pm

Grolschevik wrote: »

I don't shoot, but I'd like to.
Not owning property to bolt a safe to is my main issue. Renter.
I'm a long-time lurker here, and I've learned a lot.
I'm fully supportive of you guys and I'm far, far more left than the European average.
Just thought I'd mention it.

I think most if not all in the shooting community will give not give a fiddlers about your political orientation.

I’m quite sure we’re a very varied bunch when it comes to that anyway; personally I’d consider myself neither left nor right as some of my opinions would be classed as right and others as left.

By virtue of the standards of conduct that are expected by law to be able to possess a firearm in this country I reckon we’re a fairly safe bunch to hang around with....

civdef · 17-01-2021 10:59pm

Driving around the most common reminder I see of shooters is holes in road signs, which is still happening.

Annoys the hell out of me, imagine what impression it gives to a non-shooter.

Feisar · 17-01-2021 11:03pm

civdef wrote: »

Driving around the most common reminder I see of shooters is holes in road signs, which is still happening.

Annoys the hell out of me, imagine what impression it gives to a non-shooter.

I’d say a lot of non shooters wouldn’t realise how scary that is and see it more as an act of vandalism. However that’s a criminal issue and not a shooting sports one.

meathstevie · 17-01-2021 11:14pm

12gauge dave wrote: »

With no shooting or practice ranges around there is nowhere for us gun owners without land to shoot on.

You try a bit of lamping and your public enemy number one in the village farmers spreading rumours and being accused of all sorts and guards ringing you the next day.

I haven't shot the gun in years and Id have no problem handing back in at this stage.

Safe places to shoot where owners can hop in the car and go let some lead off for half an hour is what is needed. Classes for youngsters could be given then and it would grow.

Thats my 2 cents as a young gun owner for the last 9 years.

No offence intended but I actually find quite the opposite happens with farmers. Most are very happy to have you around their yard and fields at the most ridiculous times of the night. I’ve been told to park at the yard or in the main gate more so than I’ve been told I couldn’t call around anymore.

You could have been quite unfortunately been blamed for the behaviour of others.

Feisar · 17-01-2021 11:18pm

Cass wrote: »

When i suggested county plinking range i meant full time ranges, just on a small scale. So they'd have an RCO, ROs, members, etc. So none of the problems with "overnight" set ups.

They can be kept to rimfire for the start, but they must be legit ranges so that they can be "protected" under section 2(4)(d) and encourage youngsters.

How much land does one need for a 22 range? Plus insurance etc it’d be costly enough I’d say.

Cass · 17-01-2021 11:25pm

civdef wrote: »

Driving around the most common reminder I see of shooters is holes in road signs, which is still happening.

Annoys the hell out of me, imagine what impression it gives to a non-shooter.

Kevlar signs.

I get your point and it pisses me off too. Never actually seen the point of it tbh, but anyway. Unfortunately you cannot cure all ills, but we can educate and try eliminate things like this while distancing ourselves from such acts by denouncing them here and elsewhere.

Feisar · 17-01-2021 11:38pm

Cass wrote: »

My young lad went through this and still is. He got his training license and was shooting for a short while then he discovered girls, and later on cars. I went through it but came back to the sport in my mid/late twenties. However i'd been at it since i was old enough to stand, my young lad really only came shooting because i dragged him along or asked him. IOW the immediate interest was never really there, so we'll see if he comes back to it.

I've found trying to "force" their interest has the opposite effect so i'll let him come bck to it if and when he is ready. Its for this reason i think starting younger is better, as was said by someone earlier.

I’m one of four. I loved my Dad’s CZ 452 or Brno as it was known as as far back as I can remember. My sister would go for the odd shot here and there but the two other lads had zero interest.
Looking back at it now it must have been a pain in the hole having me in tow out after pheasants.

Cass · 17-01-2021 11:43pm

Feisar wrote: »

How much land does one need for a 22 range? Plus insurance etc it’d be costly enough I’d say.

Approx 2000 mtrs long by 1000 mtrs wide for the shooting area, for rimfire and some pistol calibers. Other caliber require more and it also depends on the ranges hence why i suggest starting short with 50mtr ranges.

So that works out to a ax of 500 acres. Buying such land is improbably and damn near impossible. Planning permission is needed as well as backstops, club house, etc. You also have to factor in cost of a range fee/license, etc.

So there is significant cost and like all things shooting it comes at the start in one big lump rather than little bit over time.

However renting land could be an option. It'll still require the license fees, building costs, etc. but can be done on a "prepay membership" basis.

I'd hope other ranges would offer help and i know of three or so that have told me they would offer help in the form of fund raising and man hours if needed.

You could look to an enclosed range, indoor, but that carries a host of other issues (sound proofing, ventilation, etc) while at the same time eliminating danger areas. So smaller area but more in terms of building costs.

Won't be easy at all, but is doable.

Cass · 17-01-2021 11:46pm

Feisar wrote: »

Looking back at it now it must have been a pain in the hole having me in tow out after pheasants.

Just reminded me of the Richard Pryor sketch about hunting with his Father.

Strong language warning. (skip to 4:15 for the deer hunting bit)

https://vimeo.com/33965191

Feisar · 17-01-2021 11:57pm

Cass wrote: »

Just reminded me of the Richard Pryor sketch about hunting with his Father.

Strong language warning. (skip to 4:15 for the deer hunting bit)

https://vimeo.com/33965191

The funniest man that ever was.

riffmongous · 18-01-2021 12:02am

Do any of the universities have clubs?

Feisar · 18-01-2021 12:05am

riffmongous wrote: »

Do any of the universities have clubs?

UCD, DCU, Trinity do as far as I know.

johnboy1298 · 18-01-2021 12:19am

Cass wrote: »

First off, and i must stress, this is NOT a political thread nor debate. The Off Topic thread is the place for that.

This is an opinion and suggestion thread.

With the seemingly never-ending and increased "attacks" on all shooting sports, not just here at home, but globally are we on the loosing end of a very long battle or is there hope for the sport?

Between gun bans, mag bans, social media bans on free speech of hunting, the lead ban, and of course public opinion is the sport looking at a slow death of a thousand cuts?

If so what can we do to try stop it and even turn it around.

If not then what can be done to increase the population of the shooting community and finally shed ourselves of the "secrecy" our sport is sometimes forced to implement.

I'd say the biggest thing you could do to further the image of shooting in Ireland is to ban fox hunting with dogs.. I have no problem with shooting birds, deer or foxes for that matter etc but seeing a group of dogs go after a fox is, to me at least, unnecessary. It's something that tarnishes the whole of gun sports as it is cruel and there is no way of explaining the need for it that doesn't sound ridiculous to anyone who doesn't do it. I love the outdoors and often thought about trying shooting but I'd never want to be involved with anyone associated with hunting foxes.

Feisar · 18-01-2021 12:27am

johnboy1298 wrote: »

I'd say the biggest thing you could do to further the image of shooting in Ireland is to ban fox hunting with dogs.. I have no problem with shooting birds, deer or foxes for that matter etc but seeing a group of dogs go after a fox is, to me at least, unnecessary. It's something that tarnishes the whole of gun sports as it is cruel and there is no way of explaining the need for it that doesn't sound ridiculous to anyone who doesn't do it. I love the outdoors and often thought about trying shooting but I'd never want to be involved with anyone associated with hunting foxes.

To be fair lads on horses with dogs has nothing to do with shooting.

Feisar · 18-01-2021 12:36am

Cass wrote: »

Approx 2000 mtrs long by 1000 mtrs wide

The way we build in this country makes that requirement a rarity.

tudderone · 18-01-2021 12:45am

johnboy1298 wrote: »

I'd say the biggest thing you could do to further the image of shooting in Ireland is to ban fox hunting with dogs.. I have no problem with shooting birds, deer or foxes for that matter etc but seeing a group of dogs go after a fox is, to me at least, unnecessary. It's something that tarnishes the whole of gun sports as it is cruel and there is no way of explaining the need for it that doesn't sound ridiculous to anyone who doesn't do it. I love the outdoors and often thought about trying shooting but I'd never want to be involved with anyone associated with hunting foxes.

Hunting has nothing to do with shooting. Its like saying banning tennis would improve the image of football

.

In fact i know of a driven shoot that hated the hunt, having 40 hounds and 2 dozen horses running amok through your cover isn't going to do the pheasants any good.

JP22 · 18-01-2021 1:51am

I have read all the posts and I believe post 3 by Cass and post 4 by Grizzly is the foundation for the way to go.

Some other thoughts are:-

For such a small country we have multiple organisations all trying to do their own thing, some good, some bad, others are lousy, some talk between each other, others hate each others guts, crazy.

Organisations must stop demeaning the Garda, especially the rank & file who are just doing their job. Yes I accept there are some issues with some Supers, but its the Minister'(s), the Justice department and various other Government Departments who should be called to task.

Yes you can take a case to court if its warranted, you win/you loose, if a win fine but to then publicly denounce them and get personal with it is looking for trouble down the road. Winning a skirmisk is not winning the war.

PR is fine but if its not actively managed and controlled, them mayhem occurs. You cannot castigate the media for airing something inaccurately if no PR present to manage what was filmed and said.

Cass · 18-01-2021 1:52am

johnboy1298 wrote: »

I'd say the biggest thing you could do to further the image of shooting in Ireland is to ban fox hunting with dogs..

Here is one of our biggest hurdles. The other sports.

I don't agree with some things but i don't argue against the lads doing it. Its this "give an inch" attitude that has us splintered and always on the back foot.

Now i'm not taking a shot at you, just explaining my own thinking. I don't see the appeal in some forms of hunting or sport. I've no real moral objection to it, i just don't see the enjoyment factor, but if i were to ignore their sport, their tradition or worse still place it on the chopping block (as though it were mine to sacrifice) then how am i any better than those opposed to all forms of hunting.

Once again it comes back to death by a thousand cuts.

We need to be able to work together which means we have to respect other variations of the sport even those we may not like or participate in. We are weaker apart. That sounds like a fortune cookie sound byte but there is truth in it. If we're divided we are more easily controlled and again little bits of our sport are slowly banned because we're a small enough community as a whole, but as parts, we're a walkover.

Cass · 18-01-2021 1:56am

Feisar wrote: »

The way we build in this country makes that requirement a rarity.

Its been a while since i read the SI so i'll look it over again, but this SI was based on current ranges and their setups. I assume, as said earlier, that such provisions would be lessened if it had higher baffles, or were enclosed, but i'd need ranges built in such ways to verify that. I know of two ranges that are built into sheer "cliff" faces. The natural baffle is over 100 feet high so the danger zone could be significantly less.

However if we need 2 square km then it'll be a rarity and probably the reason ranges are so isolated.

JP22 · 18-01-2021 1:59am

Cass wrote: »

Here is one of our biggest hurdles. The other sports.

I don't agree with some things but i don't argue against the lads doing it. Its this "give an inch" attitude that has us splintered and always on the back foot.

Now i'm not taking a shot at you, just explaining my own thinking. I don't see the appeal in some forms of hunting or sport. I've no real moral objection to it, i just don't see the enjoyment factor, but if i were to ignore their sport, their tradition or worse still place it on the chopping block (as though it were mine to sacrifice) then how am i any better than those opposed to all forms of hunting.

Once again it comes back to death by a thousand cuts.

We need to be able to work together which means we have to respect other variations of the sport even those we may not like or participate in. We are weaker apart. That sounds like a fortune cookie sound byte but there is truth in it. If we're divided we are more easily controlled and again little bits of our sport are slowly banned because we're a small enough community as a whole, but as parts, we're a walkover.

+1.

On PR, the clowns who post pictures of dozens of game taken on day one and boast that they shot so-and-so on opening day are not doing our spot/pastime any favor's either. Posting like this is fodder for those against us.

Cass · 18-01-2021 2:00am

JP22 wrote: »

PR is fine but if its not actively managed and controlled, them mayhem occurs. You cannot castigate the media for airing something inaccurately if no PR present to manage what was filmed and said.

I agree with everything you said, including the above, but would argue on the media angle.

We tried it twice. Once was a dedicated segment which was eidted to sh*t and made us look really poor. Granted the people speaking should not have been near a microphone in my opinion, but that is a row for another day.

The second was the one everyone seen on RTE. The bias by MOC was not subtle and horribly obvious. Again the man on stage done his best but not being a shooting man, and only having experience with the legal end, had to hamper his ability.

So again i agree we need better PR, or any PR, but (and i won't hold my breath) a fair shake from the media.

tudderone · 18-01-2021 3:11am

Cass wrote: »

Its been a while since i read the SI so i'll look it over again, but this SI was based on current ranges and their setups. I assume, as said earlier, that such provisions would be lessened if it had higher baffles, or were enclosed, but i'd need ranges built in such ways to verify that. I know of two ranges that are built into sheer "cliff" faces. The natural baffle is over 100 feet high so the danger zone could be significantly less.

However if we need 2 square km then it'll be a rarity and probably the reason ranges are so isolated.

Looking at our nearest neighbours again, they have 67 million people against our 6-7 million, and on an island not that much bigger than ours. Yet they have some great ranges and near major cities too. Like Diggle range near manchester, Bisley isn't that far from London, Minsterley ranges in Wales etc. The Irish civil service are great for crushing things through unneeded legislation.

Grizzly 45 · 18-01-2021 3:56am

A better solution to the ranges
40 foot instant range built in a container. Ultra deluxe models Made up in NI, beautiful bit of workmanship and capable of withstanding 50 cal rounds. The AGS have four [?] of them in Templemore and around the country I believe.A snip at about one million euros per unit:eek:
http://www.generalranges.com/

However,if we are talking just .22 and say rating to 44magnum pistol calibre in extremis. How difficult would it be to "homebrew" something like this that would pass the CRI 's muster? Mr G I know would work with us on something like this too.
A lot easier to move a 40-foot container or two than a hunk of land with backstops and berms etc if the neighbours get snotty. And alot cheaper too.

Feisar · 18-01-2021 11:05am

johnboy1298 wrote: »

I'd say the biggest thing you could do to further the image of shooting in Ireland is to ban fox hunting with dogs.. I have no problem with shooting birds, deer or foxes for that matter etc but seeing a group of dogs go after a fox is, to me at least, unnecessary. It's something that tarnishes the whole of gun sports as it is cruel and there is no way of explaining the need for it that doesn't sound ridiculous to anyone who doesn't do it. I love the outdoors and often thought about trying shooting but I'd never want to be involved with anyone associated with hunting foxes.

Sorry, this deserved a better response than the one I gave, "nothing to do with us". Yer right in that we all seem to get painted with the one brush. A lad down the range meticulously handloading to squeeze the last out of his target rifle, bloodsport.
I honestly don't know how to start shaking off the perception that a person with a gun must be doing something wrong until proven otherwise. I remember being out with my Dad when I was a little lad, back when one could shoot outside of a range. On my uncle's land minding our own business doing nothing wrong and the Gardaí rocked up! Called by a walker. Keeping in mind this was pre mobile phones so that person had to get home and then call. Anyway it was a shooting buddy of Dad's so a chat was had about the new rifle.

Grizzly 45 · 18-01-2021 12:43pm

On the fox hunting by horse&hound and shooting.
Better to fight the war in someones else's front yard than in our own living room.
Thyt have made it abundantly clear that we hunters and gun owners and fishermen are next in line in their class war.

Munsterlad102 · 18-01-2021 12:49pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

On the fox hunting by horse&hound and shooting.
Better to fight the war in someones else's front yard than in our own living room.
Thyt have made it abundantly clear that we hunters and gun owners and fishermen are next in line in their class war.

Yeah that's a really good idea, there's definitely strength in numbers and is something we should persue.

tudderone · 18-01-2021 1:29pm

Feisar wrote: »

I honestly don't know how to start shaking off the perception that a person with a gun must be doing something wrong until proven otherwise. I remember being out with my Dad when I was a little lad, back when one could shoot outside of a range. On my uncle's land minding our own business doing nothing wrong and the Gardaí rocked up! Called by a walker. Keeping in mind this was pre mobile phones so that person had to get home and then call. Anyway it was a shooting buddy of Dad's so a chat was had about the new rifle.

I'll wager that was back when the other lunatics were running amok in the North and England ? Something else that casts a very long shadow across our sport, sadly.

Feisar · 18-01-2021 2:19pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Yeah that's a really good idea, there's definitely strength in numbers and is something we should persue.

It's funny, for all the anti bloodsport noise the Hunt Ball attracts the who's who of the locality.

berettaman · 18-01-2021 3:01pm

I think this is one of the most important threads I have ever read on this forum.

There are so many tangents to this and there is loads I would like to add. There are a few incidents that stand out for me:

I was trying to source a card reader for the club to take memberships. When the provider heard it was XXX GPA he asked what we do? "hunting and conservation" We were met with refusal.:rolleyes:

I rang a politician running for a County Councillor position, she had anti's praising her for her anti blood sport stance.
I asked her was she against farmers protecting crops from crows or lambs from foxes? she said no.
I asked her was she against lads shooting a rabbit or a duck for the pot, she said no.
I asked her why she was against hunting and she said she didn't want to hear of it as a "sport.":eek:
I could go on but the biggest damage comes from our fellow sports men and women and we are constantly having to fight our own as well as those who want hunting and fishing to end.
The apathy will kill us..

tudderone · 18-01-2021 3:05pm

berettaman wrote: »

I think this is one of the most important threads I have ever read on this forum.

There are so many tangents to this and there is loads I would like to add. There are a few incidents that stand out for me:

I was trying to source a card reader for the club to take memberships. When the provider heard it was XXX GPA he asked what we do? "hunting and conservation" We were met with refusal.:rolleyes:

I rang a politician running for a County Councillor position, she had anti's praising her for her anti blood sport stance.
I asked her was she against farmers protecting crops from crows or lambs from foxes? she said no.
I asked her was she against lads shooting a rabbit or a duck for the pot, she said no.
I asked her why she was against hunting and she said she didn't want to hear of it as a "sport.":eek:
I could go on but the biggest damage comes from our fellow sports men and women and we are constantly having to fight our own as well as those who want hunting and fishing to end.
The apathy will kill us..

Isn't that discrimination ? You might have a case there ?

Feisar · 18-01-2021 3:12pm

tudderone wrote: »

Isn't that discrimination ? You might have a case there ?

It was on a thread here about paypal freezing an account due to it being used for firearms sale. The banks came up and someone mentioned it being against terms and conditions. Discrimination is fine these days as long as it's of the "right on" variety. Same with FB clamping down on hunting pages.

Feisar · 18-01-2021 3:57pm

A friends husband expressed an interest in going for a shot, another friend was on to me pre Covid about getting into the sport in some capacity. As it stands I cannot legally bring them out to where I have permission and do a bit of shooting with a 22. One I can't shoot outside of a range and two it's illegal to shoot a gun one doesn't have a licence for. So IMHO that's the first thing that we'd need to tackle. Plus it'd be a small first bite. The first time they see Cass he'll be in looking for something so reasonable it'd be petty to refuse. We can go after bigger stuff later. Did I mention Cass for President!?!
Post Covid committee meeting in Gunnings

kjl412 · 18-01-2021 5:28pm

Feisar wrote: »

A friends husband expressed an interest in going for a shot, another friend was on to me pre Covid about getting into the sport in some capacity. As it stands I cannot legally bring them out to where I have permission and do a bit of shooting with a 22. One I can't shoot outside of a range and two it's illegal to shoot a gun one doesn't have a licence for. So IMHO that's the first thing that we'd need to tackle. Plus it'd be a small first bite. The first time they see Cass he'll be in looking for something so reasonable it'd be petty to refuse. We can go after bigger stuff later. Did I mention Cass for President!?!
Post Covid committee meeting in Gunnings

I think that’s a great idea I’m 21 and have lots of friends who would love to go out shooting, but if I take them out there really isn’t much excitement in it for them just to watch me. If a law was passed that any other adult could shoot under the supervision of the licensed gun owner. Even just with .22 and shotguns or something I think that would be great. Also I know at least in my family some of them think they could die just from being near a firearm, they are terrified. If the general population could see that when used responsibly firearms are safe and fun that would be great.

berettaman · 18-01-2021 5:40pm

kjl412 wrote: »

I think that’s a great idea I’m 21 and have lots of friends who would love to go out shooting, but if I take them out there really isn’t much excitement in it for them just to watch me. If a law was passed that any other adult could shoot under the supervision of the licensed gun owner. Even just with .22 and shotguns or something I think that would be great. Also I know at least in my family some of them think they could die just from being near a firearm, they are terrified. If the general population could see that when used responsibly firearms are safe and fun that would be great.

I remember talking to an NARGC youth development guy. they ran the proficiency course for Transition years. Teachers and all. It took like Islam in the desert.
The feed back was great and to see young teachers getting a buzz out of punching paper at a range for the first time was cool.

Has to be part of the solution.

Grizzly 45 · 18-01-2021 7:20pm

berettaman wrote: »

I think this is one of the most important threads I have ever read on this forum.

There are so many tangents to this and there is loads I would like to add. There are a few incidents that stand out for me:

I was trying to source a card reader for the club to take memberships. When the provider heard it was XXX GPA he asked what we do? "hunting and conservation" We were met with refusal.:rolleyes:

I rang a politician running for a County Councillor position, she had anti's praising her for her anti blood sport stance.
I asked her was she against farmers protecting crops from crows or lambs from foxes? she said no.
I asked her was she against lads shooting a rabbit or a duck for the pot, she said no.
I asked her why she was against hunting and she said she didn't want to hear of it as a "sport.":eek:
I could go on but the biggest damage comes from our fellow sports men and women and we are constantly having to fight our own as well as those who want hunting and fishing to end.
The apathy will kill us..

How quaint...A card reader.Folks have a look at REVOLUT for credit card transactions in the future.Its cyber and you can dispense entirely with machine providers and their policies.

Reckon also we will also have to see about getting political too.On our local levels.A long term infiltration of the GP by pro fieldsports people is what we should look at too.

berettaman · 18-01-2021 7:30pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

How quaint...A card reader.Folks have a look at REVOLUT for credit card transactions in the future.Its cyber and you can dispense entirely with machine providers and their policies.

Reckon also we will also have to see about getting political too.On our local levels.A long term infiltration of the GP by pro fieldsports people is what we should look at too.

Okay, showing my age, Revolut is a good shout.:p

Infiltration of GP is a must because they are driving policy and it would not take much to turn them around to see sense. 100k people hunt and fish at least and there are 3k GP members.

Also, at county council level. start there and put pro hunt and shoot people in there.

Met someone recently that thought gun ownership and hunting was illegal in Ireland. She was a teacher.

We have to step up to make sure that doesn't become the case.

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