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    #7472
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Cheapest milk powder I can find.
    50% skim.
    19% pr.
    21% fats.
    Opinions?


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    #7473
    visatorro
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭visatorro


    https://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/pyon-heatwave-adlib-milk-warmer-feeder/23903821

    Has anyone one got anything similar to this ad-lib way of feeding.? Any opinions?


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    #7474
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    visatorro wrote: »
    https://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/pyon-heatwave-adlib-milk-warmer-feeder/23903821

    Has anyone one got anything similar to this ad-lib way of feeding.? Any opinions?

    Ad-lib milk?
    Better have plenty rehydration salts available...
    They’d want to be around 4-6 weeks old before I’d chance it.


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    #7475
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Used to feed adlib years ago. Milk coming from a barrel in to a container in a water bath to heat it up. Used to mix milkshake acidifier into the milk, it would be brought up cold from the bulk tank and the barrel feeding the heating unit had a gentle agitator on a timer to keep milk from separating any bit. Calves did well. Would have 5 or 6 lines out to teats that needed cleaning every day. Would have to keep a good eye on the calves. Hardly remember it myself we would have been heading over quota when that was used and had limo and simmental stock bulls as well. Feckers used to be massive but then I was young enough as well. The horns used to come later than the fr and remember they wouldn't fit in the dehorning crate


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    #7476
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    This exact topic is being covered at IGA Dairy conference next Wednesday.

    How did the conference go? Any info on this subject? On another note enquired on the milk shuttle from urban and would suit here with calves in a couple of sheds but the cost of them is big. Grant for milk trolley type equipment is max 4 hundred and something from the formulas on the site, the max Grant is only available on the auto calf feeders


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    #7477
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    visatorro wrote: »
    https://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/pyon-heatwave-adlib-milk-warmer-feeder/23903821

    Has anyone one got anything similar to this ad-lib way of feeding.? Any opinions?

    I don't know anything about that particular model but I've been feeding ad lib wheole milk (plus acidifer) with automatic calf feeders all my life.
    Super job, once you know a few tricks. It takes a lot of the stress out of calf rearing and contrary to perception, you never get nutritional scour barring poor management such as wet cold housing etc. It's a pleasure to check the calves in the morning and to have them ignore you.
    Keep the milk lukewarm warm, too hot and it'll block the pipes. 5mm pipes are best with non return valves and bayonet type nipples. All available from coop- mullinahone supply.
    Wash every second day, usuallt about 20-30 minutes.
    Always use 2 leads and nipples per pen. This is key, and often omitted/ unknown, as it greatly reduces the bullying and training of calves as a drinking calf will attract other calves to drink.
    Provide fresh water and feed.
    They'll drink 8-10 litres a day, but they'll grow mad and it's the cheapest weight you'll put on an animal. Great for good quality calves especially in a good price year. Not so sure about jex bulls this year !
    You'd want to be taking replacement heifers off it after 3-4 weeks and putting them on 2ad and then 1ad for cost and to get them eating.

    That model has a flaw in that it doesn't supply a milk churn/reservoir as part of the setup. A milk reservoir without a circulation / agitation won't work for whole milk due to separation and a calf getting a feed of cream!
    A conplete second hand stainless steel / fibreglass model will cost about €800 and is a far superior job. Power calf feeders near liscarroll would be worth a try or you'd see them in done deal but you'd want to know the one you'd be getting and where you'd get parts etc.


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    #7478
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Lepto and IBR vaccinations done on anything over 12 months here today and fluke and worm done as well. I'll probably have to do a second round of fluke dosing next month as there were higher than expected fluke levels showing up last year after a single fluke and worm dose. I must try to organising TB testing a few weeks earlier next year and go back to Fasinex.


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    #7479
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,222 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Lepto and IBR vaccinations done on anything over 12 months here today and fluke and worm done as well. I'll probably have to do a second round of fluke dosing next month as there were higher than expected fluke levels showing up last year after a single fluke and worm dose. I must try to organising TB testing a few weeks earlier next year and go back to Fasinex.
    Did the sucklers today with animec, I think it was called. Does for fluke worms and lice in the one injection. Normally dosing them ends up a major ordeal. This was handy enough


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    #7480
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Did the sucklers today with animec?, I think it was called. Does for fluke worms and lice in the one injection. Normally dosing them ends up a major ordeal. This was handy enough

    We would normally do the cows with Fasinex but we just had the first of them dried off when we got notified of a herd test over Christmas. So we had to use shorter acting dry cow tubes than we were recommended to use and couldn't use Fasinex because the Dept wouldn't give permission as the cows would be on the farm for too long if we had a reactor.

    3 tests a year now for the next couple of years at best.


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    #7481
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    We would normally do the cows with Fasinex but we just had the first of them dried off when we got notified of a herd test over Christmas. So we had to use shorter acting dry cow tubes than we were recommended to use and couldn't use Fasinex because the Dept wouldn't give permission as the cows would be on the farm for too long if we had a reactor.

    3 tests a year now for the next couple of years at best.

    Would you be in a high population of wildlife area or is it just in the herd/area?


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    #7482
    Millionaire only not
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    1373 wrote: »
    We put in new dm scrapers , if yours are anything like ours you can get use to plenty of problems . We have had seals leak at 13 months, not covered under 12 months warranty. Pipes leak at joiners , grub screws loose and leaking . Fixed the small problems ourself as call outs were shockingly expensive . €400 to replace a ram seal


    That’s daylight robbery should be highlighted more extravagant prices !
    Never tell u that when sales man calls !


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    #7483
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Would you be in a high population of wildlife area or is it just in the herd/area?

    We were upgraded to a high risk area sometime after August as I was told my next test was the end of February. A neighbour went down with one reactor and we were suddenly classified as high risk.

    We're the exact same risk with the last 3 or 4 years unless the Dept do something about the massive reservoir of TB in badger setts in the area. It's a dairy area so little stock coming in and any that have come in, bulls mainly, have all tested clear.

    They are starting TB vaccination in the east of the county and claim that this will break the cycle of transmission. They still cull badgers in high risk areas, except in July, August and September. Now, I'm by no means the smartest man in any room but allowing young badgers be reared in infected setts doesn't seem to be the best idea anybody has ever had. Even if the vaccination works (it doesn't, it's only effective in 60% of vaccinations), the high level of infection in the setts will easily overcome the immune response. That's immunology 101.

    So we will remain a high risk area until those setts are closed up. There is absolutely no possibility of the Dept meeting their target of eradication of TB in 2030 until the badger setts are at the very least disinfected like all housing that cattle spend their time in has to be disinfected to prevent transmission of TB from the housing.

    It's not like there's a lower risk of TB transmission from cow to cow than badger to badger, badger to badger transmission is hugely more prevalent than cow to cow transmission:rolleyes:
    https://twitter.com/bovinetb/status/1213726594277265409?s=20


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    #7484
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Folks you may want to check any chlorine based detergents you might have in stocks as some won't have a PCS number this year and can't be used.
    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/chlorine-cross-compliance-issues-519223


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    #7485
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Two days milk down the drain...
    Feckin bracelet fell off.


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    #7486
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,222 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    Two days milk down the drain...
    Feckin bracelet fell off.

    A lot to be said for red spray


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    #7487
    dar31
    Registered Users Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭dar31


    whelan2 wrote: »
    A lot to be said for red spray
    Red tail tape one on ankle and one on tail at eye level


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    #7488
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    dar31 wrote: »
    Red tail tape one on ankle and one on tail at eye level
    Always do spray and both ankles, needs to be fool proof, boss spends half his time on the phone!.


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    #7489
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    whelan2 wrote: »
    A lot to be said for red spray

    Tail paint is alot better job, just daub it over the udder stays on for a good week, spray is dodgey enough, started tying two ai gloves to their legs aswell, pretty foolproof


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    #7490
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Tail paint is alot better job, just daub it over the udder stays on for a good week, spray is dodgey enough, started tying two ai gloves to their legs aswell, pretty foolproof

    separating them from rest of herd and milking last is the only job


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    #7491
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    whelan2 wrote: »
    A lot to be said for red spray

    I suspect that the cow may not have lost the bracelet...it’s been nearly 2mts since a cow had mastitis, and would be easy to forget/overlook. Never had a bracelet lost before.
    First thing Mon morning is buy some spray paint.
    No insurance will cover antibiotics in the tank here..


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    #7492
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Red tape on tail and spray paint for antibiotics, green tape on tail and angle strap on the side of 3 teat cow's and blue tape on tail of high scc. Big board on wall with info written on it as well in those colours, red for keep out, green for three teat, blue for scc and black for general info


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    #7493
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Glenmore estates pulling the pin milking after one year dairying and a fortune spent on sheds and robots is a odd one


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    #7494
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Culls a good trade in carnew today. Few big cows making 1.50 kg


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    #7495
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭straight


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Glenmore estates pulling the pin milking after one year dairying and a fortune spent on sheds and robots is a odd one

    A fortune is right. 20 robots or something was it


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    #7496
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Culls a good trade in carnew today. Few big cows making 1.50 kg

    Sold a couple out of the yard for a euro a kg. Could have pushed for more but a regular buyer who has often taken a few cows that need a bit of tlc


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    #7497
    Injuryprone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    I suspect that the cow may not have lost the bracelet...it’s been nearly 2mts since a cow had mastitis, and would be easy to forget/overlook. Never had a bracelet lost before.
    First thing Mon morning is buy some spray paint.
    No insurance will cover antibiotics in the tank here..

    The thing with spray paint is that it can't be immediately removed when she's going back into the tank. Can get a bit confusing if you've alot sprayed especially in the spring.

    I use ordinary electric tape around each leg. I've yet to have one fall off. Tried the tail tape last year and it didn't seem as strong and a few of them split and fell off. You could always use 2 bracelets if that's what you're used to.


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    #7498
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,209 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    straight wrote: »
    A fortune is right. 20 robots or something was it

    It'd be nothing to them though. They're involved in the poultry litter business and digestate and gas production and so on.
    Was there people complaining of the farm being a dumping ground for the stuff coming from across the border and especially with water quality in the estuary?


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    #7499
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Say my name wrote: »
    It'd be nothing to them though. They're involved in the poultry litter business and digestate and gas production and so on.
    Was there people complaining of the farm being a dumping ground for the stuff coming from across the border and especially with water quality in the estuary?

    A farm that size would easily facilitate a 2.5mw plant


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    #7500
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,209 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    A farm that size would easily facilitate a 2.5mw plant

    I think there's already a plant of some sort on it?

    From reports the locals had a committee set up against odours from animal manures used on farm and after the new owners moved in there was opposition to ditch clearances and tree felling.

    It looks to me with all that's being going on since the farm changed ownership that the new owners were never serious about having it run as a dairy farm but just wanted to make the farm as machinery friendly as possible and just have the land bank for their business and to grow the maize or rye and take the digestate.

    You'd have to wonder if the farm took in poultry waste then about botulism.


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    #7501
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,182 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Say my name wrote: »
    I think there's already a plant of some sort on it?

    From reports the locals had a committee set up against odours from animal manures used on farm and after the new owners moved in there was opposition to ditch clearances and tree felling.

    It looks to me with all that's being going on since the farm changed ownership that the new owners were never serious about having it run as a dairy farm but just wanted to make the farm as machinery friendly as possible and just have the land bank for their business and to grow the maize or rye and take the digestate.

    You'd have to wonder if the farm took in poultry waste then about botulism.
    From memory after reading an article last year when cattle died due to botulism poisoning, tillage farmers can take in poultry waste but it has to be ploughed in immediately and cannot be spread on ground adjacent to livestock.


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