Greystones school - gender neutral uniforms to be introduced.

happydan wrote: »

this time next year perhaps there will be a discussion around how absurd it is that my dog,
who identifies as gender neutral by the way ( based on its behavior and my super modern progressive attitude) , still has to go in the streets and I have to pick up after him / her / it , when theres a perfectly good gender neutral species neutral jacks down the road. its on the way ... lots of dog owners seem to have blurred lines around animals versus humans already, you know the ones ... act like they gave birth to the thing rather than bought it.

Seen a lovely documentary on Vice where parents are giving their kids hormone blockers and it's being celebrated and backed up by pseudo doctors with their pseudo Science. The kid in the video doesn't look older than 8. What's the average intelligence of an eight year old, second class in primary school learning the alphabet?

Is what world is this not child abuse?

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Nah. Its despicable that people try to force the idea that trans children dont exist.

I have no doubt they do. But sometimes children also decide that they are the opposite gender and commit to it but it’s just a phase. So as a parent, I’d give the child the freedom to explore that without putting any label on them. I wouldn’t want them to feel like they had to stick to that path if they eventually realised they were happy with their biological sex.

happydan wrote: »

this time next year perhaps there will be a discussion around how absurd it is that my dog,
who identifies as gender neutral by the way ( based on its behavior and my super modern progressive attitude) , still has to go in the streets and I have to pick up after him / her / it , when theres a perfectly good gender neutral species neutral jacks down the road. its on the way ... lots of dog owners seem to have blurred lines around animals versus humans already, you know the ones ... act like they gave birth to the thing rather than bought it.

peddlelies wrote: »

Seen a lovely documentary on Vice where parents are giving their kids hormone blockers and it's being celebrated and backed up by pseudo doctors with their pseudo Science. The kid in the video doesn't look older than 8. What's the average intelligence of an eight year old, second class in primary school learning the alphabet?

Is what world is this not child abuse?

I see we're still going with the slippery slope.

is_that_so wrote: »

They get presents from them, that's really not hard to process at all and it suits everyone to keep it that way for as long as possible.

Jesus gives presents????????

MrFresh wrote: »

I see we're still going with the slippery slope.

There's a reason why you need to hold a child's hand while crossing a busy street or to help them add 2 and 2 together during their homework exercises.

If you think it's an extreme view that very young pre pubescent kids just past being toddlers don't exactly have the rational thinking needed to make decisions that will effect the rest of their lives then perhaps you should take a look at yourself.

Like most things in the US, trends make their way here. The activists in this thread will say "sure it's only bathrooms" but they know exactly what they're hoping for.

It will happen of course, be-mist the cries of "How dare you" and the "Slippery slope" jargon for simply questioning the logic behind such pseudo idiocy.

weldoninhio wrote: »

When I was a kid we played football on the street, anyone could play. When I wasn't good enough at soccer (I switched from GAA at around 14/15), i practiced on my own, spending hours drilling a ball against a kerb to get used to controlling it on both feet, chest, head etc, practiced how to curl the ball and how to dribble it and then I started getting my game regularly.

Seems like kids today are taught, if at first you don't get everything handed to you on a plate, give up. Or make up jazzy name for not being good enough and start a movement so that you can be "equal".

Actually, that’s not it. There not being a competitive element can allow children to develop their skills playing against other children which is more useful than practicing alone. A friend of mine coaches a children’s football team and is trying to implement this. Other countries who produce better footballers (some with small populations like us) focus on skills rather than competition in primary school children. In a country where the levels of overweight people are rising, including children, shouldn’t we be encouraging more children to take part in sports rather than discouraging them? I’m not anti-competition. There’s a lot of benefits to it. But I think you’re being a tad short-sighted here.

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

a little kid deciding to wear a skirt a couple of times is a decision that's going to impact the rest of their lives? seriously? there's a big leap from Timmy is wearing a skirt to school cos he likes it to Timmy is now Tina.
The decision to wear a skirt does not mean Timmy has to/will/will want to have a sex change. In most cases it'll be a phase, he'll be happy at the time and morto on his 21st when there's a picture up on the wall of the local GAA club.
A skirt is just a skirt, it doesn't have magical powers. Millions of kids go round dressed as Elsa / Spiderman all year round nobody is worried they'll start freezing people/leaping off buildings as a consequence.

I don't disagree with any of that. I was talking about medical intervention specifically.

On the broader topic, I think the age spectrum in primary schools is too young to be introducing things like sex and gender and whatever else to Children. As a parent I wouldn't be thrilled with it.

Out of this discussion for now.

weldoninhio wrote: »

When I was a kid we played football on the street, anyone could play.

Competitively?

peddlelies wrote: »

There's a reason why you need to hold a child's hand while crossing a busy street or to help them add 2 and 2 together during their homework exercises.

If you think it's an extreme view that very young pre pubescent kids just past being toddlers don't exactly have the rational thinking needed to make decisions that will effect the rest of their lives then perhaps you should take a look at yourself.

Like most things in the US, trends make their way here. The activists in this thread will say "sure it's only bathrooms" but they know exactly what they're hoping for.

It will happen of course, be-mist the cries of "How dare you" and the "Slippery slope" jargon for simply questioning the logic behind such pseudo idiocy.

So you think a kid wearing a skirt or using the same restroom as a girl will be a decision that effects the rest of their lives? Can you connect those dots a little?