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Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

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  • #1052
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Edgware wrote: »
    How stupid are the Palestinians? They will march up to the fence, act up until Israel responds and a few get killed. ( not any of the Hamas leadership though)
    Poor leaderships on both sides canonly see force as a means of solving the problem

    tbh i'd suggest that they aren't stupid at all. they know israel doesn't need any excuse to go on a rampage. they likely know that the world, slowly but surely, is waking up to israel's behaviour, so they help israel dig a bigger hole for itself.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #1053
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    end of the road wrote: »
    tbh i'd suggest that they aren't stupid at all. they know israel doesn't need any excuse to go on a rampage. they likely know that the world, slowly but surely, is waking up to israel's behaviour, so they help israel dig a bigger hole for itself.

    I'd like to confidently state that this may well be the most ill thought out and ridiculous post ever to appear on Boards.

    So, the Palestinians KNOW that at some point "the world will wake up" and somehow punish Israel ? (Like those poor sods haven't suffered enough).

    And instead of sitting back safely and going "our day will come lads" - they attack heavily armed IDF commandos ?

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #1054
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    So, the Palestinians KNOW that at some point "the world will wake up" and somehow punish Israel ? (Like those poor sods haven't suffered enough).

    yes, i think they may believe that. and they aren't wrong, the world is slowly waking up to israel's behaviour.

    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    And instead of sitting back safely and going "our day will come lads" - they attack heavily armed IDF commandos ?

    they simply protest, or throw a few rocks yes . because they know the IDF don't need any excuse to mow them down. ultimately, israel digs it's own hole and is quick to respond to anything a palestinian does with high force. either way, the palestinians have nothing to lose but long term, possibly something to gain.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #1055
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    And whilst the ride has been mildly amusing but fun - the ignore club beckons......


  • #1056
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Do be people not understand the difference between Hamas and the Palestinian population. Do people not understand the difference between Netanhyu and the IDF to the general Israeli population.


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  • #1057
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes, i think they may believe that. and they aren't wrong, the world is slowly waking up to israel's behaviour.

    they simply protest, or throw a few rocks yes . because they know the IDF don't need any excuse to mow them down. ultimately, israel digs it's own hole and is quick to respond to anything a palestinian does with high force. either way, the palestinians have nothing to lose but long term, possibly something to gain.

    It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks about Israel.
    They have been doing the same thing since they existed and nothing happened.
    The US will continue to use its veto and nothing will change.
    The UN is in desperate need of restructuring IMO


  • #1058
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Kind of hard for them to wake up when they own the US politicians ( Rothschilds etc).


  • #1059
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks about Israel.
    They have been doing the same thing since they existed and nothing happened.
    The US will continue to use its veto and nothing will change.
    The UN is in desperate need of restructuring IMO


    things will change. the boycott movement is growing. israel will be put back in it's box, it's a case of when and not if, and the US veto, which only effects the UN, won't help them. the game is up. the UN most certainly needs some sort of re-structuring and the US veto should be removed. nobody should be able to single handidly veto UN action. if that means the US leaves, as unfortunate as that may be, it's a case of so be it.
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Kind of hard for them to wake up when they own the US politicians ( Rothschilds etc).


    the US can only do so much. they can "own" the US politicians all they like but the US isn't the rest of the world. they can try smear campaigns and the usual hasbara nonsense but that is no longer working.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #1060
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    end of the road wrote: »
    things will change. the boycott movement is growing. israel will be put back in it's box, it's a case of when and not if, and the US veto, which only effects the UN, won't help them. the game is up.

    I hope you're right.
    However, they are getting billions of free dollars from the US government and rich Jewish donors.
    They are also in an unholy alliance with the Saudis (the Saudis don't like to talk about that for obvious reasons) against the Iranians.


  • #1061
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    end of the road wrote: »
    Jamsiek wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks about Israel.
    They have been doing the same thing since they existed and nothing happened.
    The US will continue to use its veto and nothing will change.
    The UN is in desperate need of restructuring IMO


    things will change. the boycott movement is growing. israel will be put back in it's box, it's a case of when and not if, and the US veto, which only effects the UN, won't help them. the game is up. the UN most certainly needs some sort of re-structuring and the US veto should be removed. nobody should be able to single handidly veto UN action. if that means the US leaves, as unfortunate as that may be, it's a case of so be it.
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Kind of hard for them to wake up when they own the US politicians ( Rothschilds etc).


    the US can only do so much. they can "own" the US politicians all they like but the US isn't the rest of the world. they can try smear campaigns and the usual hasbara nonsense but that is no longer working.
    Israel is a US state by another name.


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  • #1062
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Israel is a US state by another name.


    A bit of nonsense, tbh.


  • #1063
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    I hope you're right.
    However, they are getting billions of free dollars from the US government and rich Jewish donors.
    They are also in an unholy alliance with the Saudis (the Saudis don't like to talk about that for obvious reasons) against the Iranians.


    agreed, and those issues are problematic. however, people power is a good thing, and it can and does work. eventually the calls to do something will be such that even the US government won't have a choice but to actually put pressure on israel to stop it's unacceptible behaviour and go back within it's actual borders. i think i will see it in my lifetime, but it will take time.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #1064
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Israel is a US state by another name.


    A bit of nonsense, tbh.
    Propped up by the highly influential political Jewish lobby in the US. Look at all the differences between Democrats and Republicans and even during this time of all times the one thing which unites them more than any other issue is Israel. That tells you all you need to know. Mainstream US politicians are in the back pocket of this lobby.


  • #1065
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Edgware wrote: »
    How stupid are the Palestinians? They will march up to the fence, act up until Israel responds and a few get killed. ( not any of the Hamas leadership though)
    Poor leaderships on both sides canonly see force as a means of solving the problem

    You're confusing Hamas with Palestinian.
    They were right to protest the Israeli regime.
    Imagine Irish protesters being killed and a Canadian doctor helping the injured being shot by the British and some bright spark saying 'Sure they're all IRA anyway'?

    I'd be very surprised is Mosad had operatives infiltrating organisations around the world, using fake passports and the like, everywhere but their own doorstep.

    Protecting the oil in the Golan heights for Jewish freedom is it?


  • #1066
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Some more big news on the BDS front, Airbnb says it will stop listing places in West Bank settlements. The practical effect is of course minimal, but it's another important blow against the normalisation of the West Bank settlements


  • #1067
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    dublincelt wrote: »
    To the lovers of the state of Israel on here, a question.

    What threat did Abu Thurayeh pose to result in him being shot dead by an Israeli sniper? Abu Thurayeh, a double leg amputee. For the audacity to wave a Palestinian flag?

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    To be fair, I think Darwin got him.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #1068
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Airbnb says it will stop listing places in West Bank settlements.

    I'm sure that was a thriving market.


  • #1069
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I'd like to confidently state that this may well be the most ill thought out and ridiculous post ever to appear on Boards.

    So, the Palestinians KNOW that at some point "the world will wake up" and somehow punish Israel ? (Like those poor sods haven't suffered enough).

    And instead of sitting back safely and going "our day will come lads" - they attack heavily armed IDF commandos ?

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Hey it worked for our lads in 1916. Pearce the clown, wrote of the great "blood sacrafice"

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #1070
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    end of the road wrote: »
    tbh i'd suggest that they aren't stupid at all. they know israel doesn't need any excuse to go on a rampage. they likely know that the world, slowly but surely, is waking up to israel's behaviour, so they help israel dig a bigger hole for itself.

    the world has been "waking up" to Israel's behaviour for 50+ years now.


  • #1071
    VeryTerry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭VeryTerry


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'm sure that was a thriving market.

    You would be surprised. Tons of yanks flocking to their homeland every week in that part of the world.


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  • #1072
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'm sure that was a thriving market.
    Well duh

    The practical effect is of course minimal


    It's hardly the point though


  • #1073
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Feisar wrote: »
    Hey it worked for our lads in 1916. Pearce the clown, wrote of the great "blood sacrafice"


    To be fair, it didn't exactly work out on those parts of the island where the nationalists weren't in a majority, which is now the issue with various parts of Palestine.


  • #1074
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Some more big news on the BDS front, Airbnb says it will stop listing places in West Bank settlements. The practical effect is of course minimal, but it's another important blow against the normalisation of the West Bank settlements


    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46269704

    Yep. It's why they're terrified of BDS - apart from any financial penalty, it begs the question "why?". It took 30-40 years to get the anti-apartheid movement going but hopefully with the internet etc things will be quicker this time round.


  • #1075
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    BDS has been around over 13 years now and has had a negligible impact, especially when you have people like this as one of its leaders, it does not look like its going to make much of a difference.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/watch-drunk-irish-woman-arrested-air-india


  • #1076
    Raging_Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    markodaly wrote: »
    BDS has been around over 13 years now and has had a negligible impact, especially when you have people like this as one of its leaders, it does not look like its going to make much of a difference.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/watch-drunk-irish-woman-arrested-air-india

    That's priceless. She's all for fighting racism and sticking up for minority rights until they refuse to give her more wine.


  • #1077
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    markodaly wrote: »
    BDS has been around over 13 years now and has had a negligible impact, especially when you have people like this as one of its leaders, it does not look like its going to make much of a difference.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/watch-drunk-irish-woman-arrested-air-india

    movements like this generally take time to build and grow and become effective. 13 years is quite a short time frame to expect huge results. the movement does seem to be having an effect though, which is all that ultimately matters.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #1078
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    BDS has been around over 13 years now and has had a negligible impact, especially when you have people like this as one of its leaders, it does not look like its going to make much of a difference.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/watch-drunk-irish-woman-arrested-air-india


    As already stated, it takes time, and is actually on a faster track than the anti-apartheid campaign.



    And a movement is rarely defined by one of its members.


    Why are you hostile to a non-violent form of dissent and protest?


  • #1079
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »

    And a movement is rarely defined by one of its members.

    I'll quote this back to you in time when it does not suit your argument.
    Why are you hostile to a non-violent form of dissent and protest?

    Hostile? I am merely ambivalent about it. Does one have a right to be ambivalent about a movement?


  • #1080
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    I'll quote this back to you in time when it does not suit your argument.



    Hostile? I am merely ambivalent about it. Does one have a right to be ambivalent about a movement?




    You sound rather more than ambivalent here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108646571&postcount=6


    Why are you "ambivalent" about it?


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  • #1081
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You sound rather more than ambivalent here

    BDS has a number of loons in their ranks. Seeing as you did not run to Simone O'Broin's defense, I presume you concede that point.
    Why are you "ambivalent" about it?

    Because I am.


  • #1082
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    BDS has a number of loons in their ranks. Seeing as you did not run to Simone O'Broin's defense, I presume you concede that point.

    I've no idea about their "loon" count. This person obviously has issues.

    markodaly wrote: »
    Because I am.




    Why? Surely you can articulate your position?


  • #1083
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »

    Why? Surely you can articulate your position?

    A leopard never changes its spot N

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  • #1084
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    A leopard never changes its spot N


    Why can't you explain yourself?


  • #1085
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why can't you explain yourself?

    I'm having a late breakfast.


  • #1086
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    I'm having a late breakfast.


    I'm sure. Why can't you just explain yourself?


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  • #1087
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I'm sure. Why can't you just explain yourself?

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  • #1088
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    ..................




    You made a statement, I'm asking you to explain it. That's how discussion works. Why are you "ambivalent" about a non-violent movement?


  • #1089
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    https:// m. youtube . com /watch?v=QfU_icJ7C1M

    An interesting watch.


  • #1090
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Congressman Peter King (R-NY) pressuring FF to withdraw its support for the bill banning Irish trade with the Israeli settlements. King spoke to Niall Collins TD about it but so far failed to change his mind.

    There are also reports that the notorious Israel Anti Boycott Act, which would impose fines and up to 20 years (!) in prison for supporting a boycott of Israel, may pass Congress during the lameduck session (between the just finished midterms and the new Congress meeting in January).


  • #1091
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Ozymandius2011 wrote: »
    Congressman Peter King (R-NY) pressuring FF to withdraw its support for the bill banning Irish trade with the Israeli settlements. King spoke to Niall Collins TD about it but so far failed to change his mind.

    There are also reports that the notorious Israel Anti Boycott Act, which would impose fines and up to 20 years (!) in prison for supporting a boycott of Israel, may pass Congress during the lameduck session (between the just finished midterms and the new Congress meeting in January).

    Delighted hope it passes!


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  • #1092
    ZeroThreat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Ozymandius2011 wrote: »
    Congressman Peter King (R-NY) pressuring FF to withdraw its support for the bill banning Irish trade with the Israeli settlements. King spoke to Niall Collins TD about it but so far failed to change his mind.

    There are also reports that the notorious Israel Anti Boycott Act, which would impose fines and up to 20 years (!) in prison for supporting a boycott of Israel, may pass Congress during the lameduck session (between the just finished midterms and the new Congress meeting in January).

    hmmm I wonder if they'll start to try non-Americans in absentia and use overt threats or misuse of interpol (ala the Russians) to have people extradited to US/Israel?


  • #1093
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Delighted hope it passes!

    You support paranoia being enshrined into law by a legislature? The pro-Israeli lobby gets ever more weird..........


  • #1094
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    hmmm I wonder if they'll start to try non-Americans in absentia and use overt threats or misuse of interpol (ala the Russians) to have people extradited to US/Israel?

    wouldn't surprise me tbh. the good news however is that it won't work and the boycott will continue, it will grow, and it will succeed. no matter how long it takes, the aims will ultimately be achieved.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #1095
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    hmmm I wonder if they'll start to try non-Americans in absentia and use overt threats or misuse of interpol (ala the Russians) to have people extradited to US/Israel?
    I would point out that anti BDS laws in Arizona were struck down on First Amendment Grounds. We'll see how this stands up.


  • #1096
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    It's been a year of steady progress. You can see why the israeli state is getting nervous

    https://bdsmovement.net/news/18-highlights-bds-impact-2018


  • #1097
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Odhinn wrote: »
    It's been a year of steady progress. You can see why the israeli state is getting nervous

    https://bdsmovement.net/news/18-highlights-bds-impact-2018

    Are there any websites with information on the BDS program. Products, companies etc that should be boycotted?


  • #1098
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Are there any websites with information on the BDS program. Products, companies etc that should be boycotted?


    Here

    https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott


    Also if you're on facebook "jewish voice for peace" and BDS ireland have updates as regards dissuading artists, sporting events etc as they come up.

    https://www.facebook.com/JewishVoiceforPeace/

    https://www.facebook.com/BDS-Ireland-950652591660509/


  • #1099
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I’ve always said… let Israel open up gaza and give back the lands in the West Bank. When all hell breaks loose from there. They will be able to once and for all wipe them off the face of the earth.


  • #1100
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    mad muffin wrote: »
    They will be able to once and for all wipe them off the face of the earth.
    Explain?


  • #1101
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Nixonbot wrote: »
    Explain?

    You know what I’m talking about. They want them all gone. Every single one of them. They can’t dtand the sight of them.


    A blood fued that goes back to the time Moses.


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