General Star Trek thread

Rawr · 06-06-2021 9:50am

breezy1985 wrote: »

I havnt seen it in a while but I thought the damage was more electromagnetic.

As for DS9 it really bugged me how old those fleets were even in some of the most important battles in Starfleets history they are just throwing old Mirandas at the Dominion

Kind of agree, but also throwing Mirandas at the Jem Hadar kind of illustrated the desperation of Starfleet at that stage. They were pressing any ship with a working warp drive into the fight, and even kit-bashing old Excelsiors into Curry-class fighter carriers. It's very reminiscent of the Yesterday's Enterprise Klingon War, were Picard secretly shares the dire state of Starfleet, and that even the older Enterprise C would be used for the fight.

It also underlines a thick-headed management of a the fleet that even after Wolf 359, Starfleet Command only sort of started building warships, and then dropped things like the Defiant project before long. It feels like things like the Norway Class and the Sovereign Class were developed *just in time* and only because the Dominion was identified as a real threat.

pixelburp · 06-06-2021 9:58am

breezy1985 wrote: »

I havnt seen it in a while but I thought the damage was more electromagnetic.

As for DS9 it really bugged me how old those fleets were even in some of the most important battles in Starfleets history they are just throwing old Mirandas at the Dominion

To be cynical it was probably a cannon fodder approach, assuming the budget excuse isn't trotted out. Mirandas can take a beating and may have been used to soften up the enemy front lines before the heavy hitters came out. In the fringe systems they may have also been closer to the battle, given the show ponies were more likely to be stationed in key systems than at Backwater IV in the WhoCares system.

As to their age, In the real world, you have the US army still using b52 bombers despite nearing 80 years old; while when the Nazis invaded, France - despite technically having more numbers and tougher tanks - was bulked out with old ww1 vehicles (there was more to it than that but that's a segue). Even in a post scarcity utopia modernisation is probably a touchy subject. And politically delicate of Starfleet are seen to be replacing all those Mirandas with flashy new warships.

Evade · 06-06-2021 10:46am

There's other things to consider with all the older ships in Dominion War fleets. They could have been fighting alongside the ships that would have replaced them if the war hadn't broken out (Akiras for Mirandas for example) or they were reactivated mothballed ships (the US Navy maintains older ships they can reactivate if they need to) or some of both. Then again Geordi could have been directly quoting Starfleet regulations when he told Scotty "just because something is old doesn't mean you throw it away."

But the Miranda in Endgame is a lot more questionable they should have been the first ones to be deactivated in the post war wind down.

B-52s are 69 years old, almost 80 would make them WWII aircraft. The bulk of German tanks during the invasion of France were Panzer Is and IIs both less than a decade old by that time.

pixelburp · 06-06-2021 11:16am

Evade wrote: »

But the Miranda in Endgame is a lot more questionable they should have been the first ones to be deactivated in the post war wind down.

B-52s are 69 years old, almost 80 would make them WWII aircraft. The bulk of German tanks during the invasion of France were Panzer Is and IIs both less than a decade old by that time.

That's still an incredible lifespan for something that was first deployed in the 1950s during the cold war. Be like biplanes in Vietnam

It doesn't necessarily fit with the image of the US as the most advanced army. IIRC they're still using old spyplanes too. My point was simply that seemingly tired old machines of war can still serve a purpose, even if far past their natural life. Not so much the French army example but like I said, that is a huge segue you can get sucked into. Better top down tactics and an air-force worth a damn and ww2 would have been a lot shorter

In any case I never got the sense the Federation were that smart or far thinking when it came to military matters. Makes sense really they'd be always a little off kilter to the rest of the galaxy.

Evade · 06-06-2021 11:41am

pixelburp wrote: »

That's still an incredible lifespan for something that was first deployed in the 1950s during the cold war. Be like biplanes in Vietnam It doesn't necessarily fit with the image of the US as the most advanced army. IIRC they're still using old spyplanes too. My point was simply that seemingly tired old machines of war can still serve a purpose, even if far past their natural life.

B-52s, U-2s, and Mirandas seem to be the embodiment of "if it isn't broken, don't try to fix it."

pixelburp wrote: »

Not so much the French army example but like I said, that is a huge segue you can get sucked into. Better top down tactics and an air-force worth a damn and ww2 would have been a lot shorter .

Or thinking the Germans wouldn't have the audacity to do the exact same thing as last time and take a short cut through Belgium. Maybe General Melchett from Blackadder was right after all.

pixelburp wrote: »

In any case I never got the sense the Federation were that smart or far thinking when it came to military matters. Makes sense really they'd be always a little off kilter to the rest of the galaxy.

Yeah, it never seemed to be a priority despite how many times they got into major and minor conflicts.

pixelburp · 06-06-2021 7:37pm

Evade wrote: »

Or thinking the Germans wouldn't have the audacity to do the exact same thing as last time and take a short cut through Belgium. Maybe General Melchett from Blackadder was right after all.

For sure, but once in France, bureaucracy and a terrible air-force ensured they could never push back the response. IIRC the Luftwaffe were borderline uncontested, even though the few modern french planes were superior. Not that the British forces were any better help, but the few times either force abandoned their trench doctrine they seemed to win decisively.

Shít! I did it again, sorry all. I find the Battle of France fascinating because while it only lasted a month, and snark persists towards french cowardice in their surrendering, the reality was a deeply complex situation of bad management and too-late reaction from technically superior forces.

Evade wrote: »

Yeah, it never seemed to be a priority despite how many times they got into major and minor conflicts.

I suppose, why would it? It'd be a very tough needle to thread; an ostensibly peaceful coalition of planets, prioritising exploration and non-interference but being also ready to pound any enemy that encroaches. Not sure how any structure maintains that balance. And excessive armament might be seen as provocation too, from the Klingon and Romulan POV (like how British and France actively stymied Poland from modernising itself to be ready for inevitable German invasion, blocking delivery of spitfires and the like... Ah shoot. Damnit Pixelburp :pac:

Evade · 06-06-2021 9:17pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I suppose, why would it? It'd be a very tough needle to thread; an ostensibly peaceful coalition of planets, prioritising exploration and non-interference but being also ready to pound any enemy that encroaches. Not sure how any structure maintains that balance. And excessive armament might be seen as provocation too, from the Klingon and Romulan POV

If we were to draw parallels to real life the Federation would be a neutral nation. But that doesn't mean not fighting it means being able to adequately defend your own nation without relying on others. There are people in Starfleet who recognise the Federation isn't able to defend itself, like Admiral Boone in the Pegasus or Captain Maxwell in the Wounded, but because they're the bad guy of the week they go about it the wrong way. Where they should be going about it by rules lawyering the treaties like a certain island nation forbidden by law from a standing military or operating aircraft carriers lest they try to take over half the planet again. They have a modern military, technically the fourth largest navy, ships that can launch aircraft, including fighters, they just call them a self defence force and helicopter destroyers. It's not the first time said island nation skirted naval limitations either.

There's a Star Trek reviewer I watch, SFDebris, who has an interesting idea about the pre Wolf-359 Federation in one of his many videos. It basically boils down to the Federation having an attitude of peace at any cost. Peace-ish with the Romulans - allow them a technological edge by treaty. Peace with the Cardassians - a really weird redraw of the border at the expense of our citizens and turning a blind eye to what was supposed to be a genocide if you don't ignore the stated numbers. Then the Borg attacked and they tried to build a warship escort vessel but then when the threat wasn't as immediate they shelved the idea.

Cookie_Monster · 07-06-2021 11:58am

AMKC wrote: »

What would you love to see done if TNG and DS9 are ever digitally remastered? Me I would like to see more variety in ships so in TNG I would love to see some Ambassadir class ships meeting Enterprise sometimes and maybe in season seven they could put in an Intrepid class ship. In DS9 I would love to see more variety of ships in the big battles like some Ambassador class ships some Intrepid class ships and some Soverign class ships as well.
What you do or love to see?

Give ships shields in the dominion war. For.some reason they had none and obvious got destroyed rather easily as a result

AMKC · 07-06-2021 5:08pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Give ships shields in the dominion war. For.some reason they had none and obvious got destroyed rather easily as a result

Yes good point. I would say do that was down to budget and time constraints as if they show the ships shields it will take longer and the battle would have to be longer. It would be cool if they did do but they might have to lengthen the length of the episodes and add in a whole new part to the episode as well.

Justin Credible Darts · 07-06-2021 7:23pm

Why did the federation ships not have cloaking devices,
surely a lot of patrol ships would have been saved, this ridiculous notion they had none cos of the romulans goes out the window when they were allies with the romulans against the dominion

Evade · 07-06-2021 8:39pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Why did the federation ships not have cloaking devices,
surely a lot of patrol ships would have been saved, this ridiculous notion they had none cos of the romulans goes out the window when they were allies with the romulans against the dominion

At that stage of the war letting ships already equipped cloaks with crews used to operating them cover that duty might have been more efficient.

ilovesmybrick · 07-06-2021 10:05pm

Just finished my first rewatch of Picard since it came out, spread over 2/3 days. I mostly enjoyed it when it came out, with some glaring (copy and paste) issues, but it really works so much better as a binge than a weekly show.All the hand wavey future stuff nonsense kind of fades into the background when watched as a whole. Except for the magic tool. That was too much. Still annoyed at the copy and paste fleet, and they kind of wasted the cube, but overall it was a pleasant rewatch.

Edit: Also, get rid of the stupid copy-paste fleets, make it a more realistic dozen or so ships (like we all said at the time), no need for stupid magic hand tool. Almost half my problems solved for the series, and all in one episode!

breezy1985 · 07-06-2021 10:27pm

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

Just finished my first rewatch of Picard since it came out, spread over 2/3 days. I mostly enjoyed it when it came out, with some glaring (copy and paste) issues, but it really works so much better as a binge than a weekly show.All the hand wavey future stuff nonsense kind of fades into the background when watched as a whole. Except for the magic tool. That was too much. Still annoyed at the copy and paste fleet, and they kind of wasted the cube, but overall it was a pleasant rewatch.

Edit: Also, get rid of the stupid copy-paste fleets, make it a more realistic dozen or so ships (like we all said at the time), no need for stupid magic hand tool. Almost half my problems solved for the series, and all in one episode!

I can even get over the weird tool but Trek really needs to stop the big Michael Bay style endings. The whole thing could have been the exact same with a few ships (well lit ships we can actually see)

Evade · 08-06-2021 1:01am

breezy1985 wrote: »

I can even get over the weird tool but Trek really needs to stop the big Michael Bay style endings. The whole thing could have been the exact same with a few ships (well lit ships we can actually see)

100%. Oh on a warbird, la Sirena, and Riker coming in on the Titan would have been much better, if a little STVI-ish. Dropping the robot gods nonsense would have been a huge improvement too.

Bobtheman · 09-06-2021 8:15am

G-Money wrote: »

I just finished watching The Visitor again. Words fail me. I don't think I've ever watched any TV show, film or anything else that affects me as much as that episode does. It's a beautifully crafted piece of work that choked me up and had tears rolling down my face several times. Simply stunning.

What show is that?

Rawr · 09-06-2021 8:38am

Bobtheman wrote: »

What show is that?

DS9.
An elderly Jake Sisko is telling the story of how he spent his life trying to save his father. You'd need a heart of stone not to be moved at least a little by that episode. If you haven't watched it before, do it now. "The Visitor" is DS9, and possibly Trek, at it's very best.

knucklehead6 · 09-06-2021 8:42am

Bobtheman wrote: »

What show is that?

DS9. The one where Sisko disappears and Jake gets old.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Visitor_(episode)

pixelburp · 09-06-2021 9:04am

DS9 had the best character writing in Trek, hands down. So its solo adventures were nearly always Trek at its peak; Jake Sisko was a bit of a drip at times, but an infinitely better written and constructed character than Wesley ever was. It was also nice to watch a TV show where its father/teenage-son dynamic wasn't built on conflict or drama; they both loved and supported each other, even if they sometimes had different perspectives on topics.

Rawr · 09-06-2021 9:39am

pixelburp wrote: »

DS9 had the best character writing in Trek, hands down. So its solo adventures were nearly always Trek at its peak; Jake Sisko was a bit of a drip at times, but an infinitely better written and constructed character than Wesley ever was. It was also nice to watch a TV show where its father/teenage-son dynamic wasn't built on conflict or drama; they both loved and supported each other, even if they sometimes had different perspectives on topics.

Also Jake's antics with Nog gave the Station a proper community feel to it. They seemed like real kids, doing what real kids would do if stuck on a space station.

pixelburp · 09-06-2021 10:32am

Rawr wrote: »

Also Jake's antics with Nog gave the Station a proper community feel to it. They seemed like real kids, doing what real kids would do if stuck on a space station.

Writing for children is often a make-or-break with any production; it's incredibly difficult to get that sense of authentic young people, sounding and behaving like actual children. Stranger Things nailed it pretty well, whereas TNG was just fantastically awful; a child genius isn't impossible, but neither the writers nor actor could get a grasp on the character.

TheValeyard · 09-06-2021 1:03pm

Suppose DS9 also had real life family dramas. Whole thing felt more natural.

breezy1985 · 09-06-2021 8:35pm

pixelburp wrote: »

DS9 had the best character writing in Trek, hands down. So its solo adventures were nearly always Trek at its peak; Jake Sisko was a bit of a drip at times, but an infinitely better written and constructed character than Wesley ever was. It was also nice to watch a TV show where its father/teenage-son dynamic wasn't built on conflict or drama; they both loved and supported each other, even if they sometimes had different perspectives on topics.

Brooks was very clear when taking the role that it would be a loving and supportive relationship. Something got to do with not wanting to be like the stereotype black fathers common in TV at the time

Rawr · 09-06-2021 10:39pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Brooks was very clear when taking the role that it would be a loving and supportive relationship. Something got to do with not wanting to be like the stereotype black fathers common in TV at the time

And to his credit, the Siskos are probably one of the more believable and heart-warming Father / Son relationships I've seen on television.

Kind of interesting that the most believable family dynamic I've seen on TV kicked off with the mother being killed by Cyborg monsters, peaked with a story about time-travel, and finished with the dad becoming a Space-God....

Makes you think....

AMKC · 09-06-2021 10:50pm

Rawr wrote: »

DS9.
An elderly Jake Sisko is telling the story of how he spent his life trying to save his father. You'd need a heart of stone not to be moved at least a little by that episode. If you haven't watched it before, do it now. "The Visitor" is DS9, and possibly Trek, at it's very best.

"All good things"part two when they are showing the characters time on the station always moves me but at the same time I think it could have been better like Quarks is terrible.

AMKC · 10-06-2021 9:38am

https://www.facebook.com/groups/TrekVerse/permalink/1439829726382968/?sfnsn=mo

Evade · 13-06-2021 10:52pm

https://www.thetrekcollective.com/2021/06/heritage-auctions-offer-up-stunning.html?m=1

Lots of Star Trek establishing shot matte paintings up for auction soon. I'd love one of these but I doubt they'll be in my price range.

Justin Credible Darts · 13-06-2021 11:27pm

Evade wrote: »

https://www.thetrekcollective.com/2021/06/heritage-auctions-offer-up-stunning.html?m=1

Lots of Star Trek establishing shot matte paintings up for auction soon. I'd love one of these but I doubt they'll be in my price range.

been using those for a while now for some wallpaper backgrounds

10 of the first 11 images here are those paintings in the backgrounds

https://gazomg-trek-art.blogspot.com/search/label/RANDOM%20%231

Justin Credible Darts · 13-06-2021 11:43pm

oddly they left out the main Klingon one, plus my favorite of them all the Cardassian one that never appeared on screen

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 7:51am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Brooks was very clear when taking the role that it would be a loving and supportive relationship. Something got to do with not wanting to be like the stereotype black fathers common in TV at the time

I didn’t know that.

What other TV shows at the time had this stereotype that he wanted to avoid?

Rawr wrote: »

And to his credit, the Siskos are probably one of the more believable and heart-warming Father / Son relationships I've seen on television.

Kind of interesting that the most believable family dynamic I've seen on TV kicked off with the mother being killed by Cyborg monsters, peaked with a story about time-travel, and finished with the dad becoming a Space-God....

Makes you think....

DS9 is best of the Trek shows after the Original.

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 7:52am

I just happened upon a website called Hero Collector.

They are like DeAgostini - monthly magazine with part of a model kit in each or a die cast model. You can build the Doc Brown DeLoren, collect Batman chess pieces, etc.

They have very nice Star Trek die cast ship collections and I nearly subscribed to a few just now. Lucky I checked the FAQ section for that size of the ships and then realised the price of the subscriptions.

Yikes!!!

breezy1985 · 14-06-2021 9:54am

Need a Username wrote: »

I didn’t know that.

What other TV shows at the time had this stereotype that he wanted to avoid?

.

I don't know I was too young. Drunk, absentee or emotionally unavailable I assume

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 10:17am

breezy1985 wrote: »

I don't know I was too young. Drunk, absentee or emotionally unavailable I assume

Too drunk when you read about it to remember or too drunk in the time period when the show was on to remember other shows?

pixelburp · 14-06-2021 10:23am

Presumably, it was much like our own stories of yore, where the only "fathers and sons" tales told were those of drunken, abusive fathers within the tragedy of the "Povery Trap".

Evade · 14-06-2021 10:54am

I think absenteeism was the main issue he was trying to avoid which is slightly ironic giving the end of DS9.

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 11:20am

pixelburp wrote: »

Presumably, it was much like our own stories of yore, where the only "fathers and sons" tales told were those of drunken, abusive fathers within the tragedy of the "Povery Trap".

QUOTE=Evade;117417284]I think absenteeism was the main issue he was trying to avoid which is slightly ironic giving the end of DS9.[/QUOTE]

Those are common enough father types on TV though - for white people too.

I was just curious becasue I cannot recall any shows from the time other than Fresh Prince (was that years before though??) and Uncle Phil was a positive father figure.

pixelburp · 14-06-2021 11:29am

That's missing the point: if the only time a demographic appears in a story is for a plot that amounts to "isn't it awful & tragic being X?", it marginalises and stereotypes. It's more pronounced and obvious to demonstrate with gay characters: fadó there were basically two ways gay people were allowed in scripts: either as the sassy, bitchy wingman to a female lead in a comedy, or someone dying of AIDs or suffering for being gay.

Hence why Stamets and Culber were heralded as such important figures: their orientation wasn't part of their being there in the plot. Their tragedy wasn't about whether they were gay. So same with Sisko: he was just a black man in charge, where his race wasn't part of the story (bar I think that one story where he was playing that writer in the past)

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 12:02pm

pixelburp wrote: »

That's missing the point: if the only time a demographic appears in a story is for a plot that amounts to "isn't it awful & tragic being X?", it marginalises and stereotypes. It's more pronounced and obvious to demonstrate with gay characters: fadó there were basically two ways gay people were allowed in scripts: either as the sassy, bitchy wingman to a female lead in a comedy, or someone dying of AIDs or suffering for being gay.

Hence why Stamets and Culber were heralded as such important figures: their orientation wasn't part of their being there in the plot. Their tragedy wasn't about whether they were gay. So same with Sisko: he was just a black man in charge, where his race wasn't part of the story (bar I think that one story where he was playing that writer in the past)

No I get the point - I was just wanting a reminder of what shows were on at the time that stereotyped black fathers, etc.

That episode was call Far Beyond the Stars I think and was one of the best. There was another episode where race was a part of the story - the episode where the Los Vegas holo program for some reason took on a story that would result in the permanent death of Vic Fontaine. Sisko didn’t know any to participate in it because of the time period.

Yes Staments and Culper’s relationship is not made to stand out for being gay. It is just normal. Funny though that it took Trek that long to bring in such characters - being gay on TV doesn’t even raise wyebrows anymore.

Or does it?

Justin Credible Darts · 14-06-2021 12:50pm

Need a Username wrote: »

Funny though that it took Trek that long to bring in such characters - being gay on TV doesn’t even raise wyebrows anymore.

Or does it?

In Trek it never mattered,
No one cared if stamets etc were/ are gay.

The issue with some is when it is done for ridiculous woke reasons to a character like seven for example., not sure if its done for simply attention purposes

It would not bother me if she was bisexual but it bugged me that she is now bi when she was clearly cast as straight in her entire time in voyager.

Evade · 14-06-2021 1:09pm

Need a Username wrote: »

There was another episode where race was a part of the story - the episode where the Los Vegas holo program for some reason took on a story that would result in the permanent death of Vic Fontaine. Sisko didn’t know any to participate in it because of the time period.

I hate that aspect of that episode. Sisko being so bent out of shape for a situation that happened 350+ years before he was born was just bad. The only good thing about it was everyone else pointing out how dumb it was.

Need a Username wrote: »

Yes Staments and Culper’s relationship is not made to stand out for being gay. It is just normal. Funny though that it took Trek that long to bring in such characters - being gay on TV doesn’t even raise wyebrows anymore.

Or does it?

If it's character who happens to be gay, no one really cares. Stamets and Culber are shockingly good examples of this considering how bad the rest of STD is. If it's a character for whom everything revolves around being gay that's just bad and reminds me of something Elton John said about Ellen a few years ago "Shut up already. We know you’re gay. Be funny."

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 1:20pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

In Trek it never mattered,
No one cared if stamets etc were/ are gay.

The issue with some is when it is done for ridiculous woke reasons to a character like seven for example., not sure if its done for simply attention purposes

It would not bother me if she was bisexual but it bugged me that she is now bi when she was clearly cast as straight in her entire time in voyager.

It has always matter though. They never had a gay character. There was even that fuss that Lt. Hawk was supposed to be as gay in First Contact. The only time Trek ever entered those waters was in DS9 when Dax encountered a former Trill lover who was now a female like her herself. They used the fact that Trill were not supposed to continue passed relationships as being why the kids was taboo.

TNG never did it, nor Voyager or Enterprise.

So in fact Stamets and Culper are a big deal for Trek.

I lost interest in Voyager before the last two seasons. I have no recollection of Seven ever having a sexual or romantic relationship. The Seven I remember didn’t understand emotions, etc and kind of cyborg Spock so the Seven in Picard came as a complete surprise. And I’m no expert in this but if she was previously portray as straight and is now lesbian then isn’t that bisexual?

I have no issue with it but the way they did it was stupid. Just shoved in there at the end when they had every intention of a second season where a relationship could been shown to happen.

AMKC · 14-06-2021 1:27pm

Need a Username wrote: »

I just happened upon a website called Hero Collector.

They are like DeAgostini - monthly magazine with part of a model kit in each or a die cast model. You can build the Doc Brown DeLoren, collect Batman chess pieces, etc.

They have very nice Star Trek die cast ship collections and I nearly subscribed to a few just now. Lucky I checked the FAQ section for that size of the ships and then realised the price of the subscriptions.

Yikes!!!

That is Eaglemoss who make them Diecast ships. There is big ones and small ones you can buy. They are not cheap but are really well done.
They also do the Delorean and lots of other franchises as well like Battlestar Galactica Batman etc. I wish they would do B5 put I gues

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 1:43pm

AMKC wrote: »

That is Eaglemoss who make them Diecast ships. There is big ones and small ones you can buy. They are not cheap but are really well done.
They also do the Delorean and lots of other franchises as well like Battlestar Galactica Batman etc. I wish they would do B5 put I gues

Not cheap is right.

One of the Star Trek Universe Collection is $40 each month.

The ships loom lovely.

Babylon 5 would be great.

I found the site because they made a deal with Amazon for the ships from The Expanse.

Justin Credible Darts · 14-06-2021 1:50pm

Need a Username wrote: »

And I’m no expert in this but if she was previously portray as straight and is now lesbian then isn’t that bisexual?

I have no issue with it but the way they did it was stupid. Just shoved in there at the end when they had every intention of a second season where a relationship could been shown to happen.

I did not use the word lesbian though, I clearly stated bi..

To me its like..."oh wait we have no lgbt character...lets just make seven bi"

Imagine if that was picard they made bi...would be the same stupidity.

nyarlothothep · 14-06-2021 1:56pm

Working through Enterprise with the emphasis on work. It's really difficult to get through each episode, also dislike the set design, so gray and dark. You'd think they'd make a starship somewhat pleasant to be in given the long journey times and claustrophobia? The season 1 episodes are hokey and the temporal cold war is just a tired idea, time travel + war = good plot? meh. However, sometimes when they have a decent or ridiculous episode, it's watchable, for example Archer, Trip and random dude get attacked by the cum monster, Trip gets pregnant etc. Enterprise makes it really obvious why Battlestar Galactica was so popular in the 00s, it was a breath of fresh air.

AMKC · 14-06-2021 2:05pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Working through Enterprise with the emphasis on work. It's really difficult to get through each episode, also dislike the set design, so gray and dark. You'd think they'd make a starship somewhat pleasant to be in given the long journey times and claustrophobia? The season 1 episodes are hokey and the temporal cold war is just a tired idea, time travel + war = good plot? meh. However, sometimes when they have a decent or ridiculous episode, it's watchable, for example Archer, Trip and random dude get attacked by the cum monster, Trip gets pregnant etc.

Awe it's not that bad. The whole idea for the ship was that was similar to submarine designs of today. This is after all Starfleets first Warp 5 ship.
I much prefer Enterprise anydsy to Discovery. At least Enterprise looks like it belongs in the Star Trek Universe Discovery is just a mish mash of designs and terrible at that. All the familiar elements are in Enterprise like a warp core a bridge nacelles and bussed collectors as well as a deflector and the design is similar but more primitive to what will come after it. Earth was just using the little resources they had to build the ship. They did not yet have unlimited resources like later on when they are in the Federation to build luxury cruisers like the Galaxy class Enterprise.

AMKC · 14-06-2021 2:07pm

Need a Username wrote: »

Not cheap is right.

One of the Star Trek Universe Collection is $40 each month.

The ships loom lovely.

Babylon 5 would be great.

I found the site because they made a deal with Amazon for the ships from The Expanse.

You can buy ships separately or wait till there is deals on and then buy then. That's all I ever done. I find the site however more awkward ir clumsy to use now than when they started it.

pixelburp · 14-06-2021 2:15pm

7of9 being Bi doesn't bother me (and if anything a nice change of pace given Bi are kinda the forgotten letter in the acronym); what bothered me was the literal last-minute inclusion of a pairing that hitherto went unshown. But that last episode of Picard was just a big 'aul hot mess top to bottom, wouldn't pick 7of9's sexuality change as especially egregious. Orientation isn't something that always happens in puberty and perhaps as she got more used to the human experience, 7of9 realised her tastes weren't confined to hetero ones. And again, if Picard had bothered showing some evidence of this before the very last scene of episode 10, it wouldn't have caused such whiplash.

Stark · 14-06-2021 2:28pm

Was she even shown to have actual feelings towards men in "Voyager"? The whole Chakotay thing had all the chemistry of a homework assignment which is probably what is was. "Doctor told me I need to explore human romantic relationships. Chakotay has indicated a willingness to participate. Therefore I will use him to gain this knowledge and experience". I guess in the alternative future they end up married, not sure how valid that is.

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 2:57pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I did not use the word lesbian though, I clearly stated bi..

To me its like..."oh wait we have no lgbt character...lets just make seven bi"

Imagine if that was picard they made bi...would be the same stupidity.

My apologies. I have no idea how I made that mistake.

Disregard that part of my post

Need a Username · 14-06-2021 3:01pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Working through Enterprise with the emphasis on work. It's really difficult to get through each episode, also dislike the set design, so gray and dark. You'd think they'd make a starship somewhat pleasant to be in given the long journey times and claustrophobia? The season 1 episodes are hokey and the temporal cold war is just a tired idea, time travel + war = good plot? meh. However, sometimes when they have a decent or ridiculous episode, it's watchable, for example Archer, Trip and random dude get attacked by the cum monster, Trip gets pregnant etc. Enterprise makes it really obvious why Battlestar Galactica was so popular in the 00s, it was a breath of fresh air.

If it is work then it isn’t fun and no point watching.

I have done it myself - been watching a show and the clock then have to ask myself what I am doing.

It was the early days of space travel. I think the ship wasn’t claustrophobic enough.

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