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Leinster schools league/cup 2015/2016 senior&junior

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    #1232
    DV3
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    considering we rarely if ever beat England, let alone keep it close at this level.
    I would say it's not a bad result as we were playing away in the teams first game together, against a more physically developed english team who have played several games together already.

    Too many handling errors and turnovers though that's for sure.

    They did far better than in previous years granted, but still, better doesn't always equate to good. Was probably being a tad harsh considering the time they've had together as a team, but regardless I certainly wasn't impressed by the rugby played today.

    Here's hoping with a bit more time they'll gel as a team, as they certainly have some promising individuals.


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    #1233
    brokenhooker
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    DV3 wrote: »
    They did far better than in previous years granted, but still, better doesn't always equate to good. Was probably being a tad harsh considering the time they've had together as a team, but regardless I certainly wasn't impressed by the rugby played today.

    Here's hoping with a bit more time they'll gel as a team, as they certainly have some promising individuals.

    underage international teams rarely play well as a team... mostly all about individual performances and moments of magic.


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    #1234
    Tyler Durdenn
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    gazump123 wrote: »
    Alan Tynan is on the bench tomorrow for a Munster u19 development side playing a South African touring team. Also has Milne moved to the Munster set up too?


    Any word on how this game went?


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    #1235
    mistdub
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    Starting u18 team:

    1. Callum Reid(Ulster)
    2. Ronan Kelleherv
    3. Tom O'Toole(Ulster)
    4. Matthew Dalton(Ulster)
    5. Charlie Ryan(Leinster)
    6. Ronan Coffey(Munster)
    7. Richard Dunne(Leinster)
    8. Caelan Doris(Leinster)
    9. Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
    10. Conor Dean(Leinster)
    11. Daniel Hurley(Munster)
    12. James Newey(Exile)
    13. James Hume(Ulster)
    14. Conor Wharton(Exile)
    15. Hugh O'Sullivan(Leinster)

    Kearney and Hawkshaw of belvedere outclassed their blackrock counterparts in the cup yet they both start and Kearney isn't even in the squad. Am I missing something?


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    #1236
    The Lost Sheep
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    mistdub wrote: »
    Kearney and Hawkshaw of belvedere outclassed their blackrock counterparts in the cup yet they both start and Kearney isn't even in the squad. Am I missing something?
    Hawkshaw is only an under 17. And cup performances are simply one small part of selection process. They don't simply deserve to be ahead because of that...


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    #1237
    mistdub
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Hawkshaw is only an under 17. And cup performances are simply one small part of selection process. They don't simply deserve to be ahead because of that...

    Well I really hope size isn't an important part of the selection process (as has been mentioned with Kearney). If underage setups are truly focused on developing talented rugby players and not just winning games they should be less focused on size and more so on raw ability. Kids playing at u18 are nowhere near fully grown physically so if youre aiming for long term 'development' size shouldn't come into it much at all, and unfortunately from what I have seen it does


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    #1238
    Hagz
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    mistdub wrote: »
    Well I really hope size isn't an important part of the selection process (as has been mentioned with Kearney). If underage setups are truly focused on developing talented rugby players and not just winning games they should be less focused on size and more so on raw ability. Kids playing at u18 are nowhere near fully grown physically so if youre aiming for long term 'development' size shouldn't come into it much at all, and unfortunately from what I have seen it does

    Where are you seeing size come into it?


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    #1239
    D14Rugby
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Hawkshaw is only an under 17. And cup performances are simply one small part of selection process. They don't simply deserve to be ahead because of that...

    If you're good enough you're old enough. How else would you pick players other than on match form? Unless the two Blackrock lads completely outclassed the two Belvo guys in screening and training then there's no reason for them to be starting over them.


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    #1240
    RugbyRugby2016
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    If you're good enough you're old enough. How else would you pick players other than on match form? Unless the two Blackrock lads completely outclassed the two Belvo guys in screening and training then there's no reason for them to be starting over them.

    Maybe the coaches liked what they saw from Dean when he played Ireland u18 last year....

    Might simply be they went with experience at 10 and size at 7 (which is understandable based on the fact that they were going up against a physically bigger English pack).

    Anyway I doubt it's some grand conspiracy against selecting players from a universally lauded belvedere team. Those two will get their chance soon enough


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    #1241
    brokenhooker
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    Ireland u18 side who lost to France u18 over the weekend: 23-10.

    15. Michael Sylvester (Clongowes Wood College/Leinster)
    14. Thomas O'Callaghan (CBC Monkstown/Leinster)
    13. Corey Reid (Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
    12. David McCarthy (Skibbereen RFC/Munster)
    11. Conor Phillips (Crescent Comprehensive College/Munster)
    10. Peter Sylvester (Presentation Brothers Cork/Munster)
    9. Rhys O'Donnell (RBAI/Ulster)
    1. Cathal Duff (Clongowes Wood College/Leinster)
    2. Diarmuid Barron (Rockwell College/Munster)
    3. Paul Mullan (Armagh RFC/Ulster)
    4. Jack Dunne (St. Michael's College/Leinster)
    5. JJ O'Dea (Navan RFC/Leinster)
    6. Jack O'Sullivan (Presentation Brothers Cork/Munster)
    7. Jack Daly (Castleisland RFC/Munster)
    8. Andrew Murphy (Blackrock College/Leinster) (capt).
    16. Stephen McLoughlin (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    17. Fergus O'Brien (Whitgift School/Exiles)
    18. Evin Coyle (Gonzaga College/Leinster)
    19. Aaron Browne (Cistercian College Roscrea/Leinster)
    20. Jonjo Fanning (Bugbrooke RFC/Exiles)
    21. Alex Crocker (Henley College/Exiles)
    22. Bruce Houston (Ballymena Academy/Ulster)
    23. Conor Dunne (Tullamore RFC/Leinster)
    24. Sam Dardis (Terenure College/Leinster)


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    #1242
    brokenhooker
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    Max Kearney was called up by the 5 nations side due to injury but was on holiday in Dubai so was unable to answer the call.


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    #1243
    RugbyRugby2016
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    Max Kearney was called up by the 5 nations side due to injury but was on holiday in Dubai so was unable to answer the call.

    That's unfortunate for him.

    I presume he was to be a replacement for Dunne? Think he went off with a shoulder injury (or that's what it looked like) against England.


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    #1244
    brokenhooker
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    RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »
    That's unfortunate for him.

    I presume he was to be a replacement for Dunne? Think he went off with a shoulder injury (or that's what it looked like) against England.

    yeah dunne was the injured player.

    Conor Jennings also missed out on Ireland u19 squad due to injury picked up in trial game weekend before squad was picked.


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    #1245
    DV3
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    Anyone know the result/squad from the under 18s game yesterday?


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    #1246
    brokenhooker
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    DV3 wrote: »
    Anyone know the result/squad from the under 18s game yesterday?

    i posted it above


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    #1247
    DV3
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    i posted it above

    Sorry should've been more specific, was talking about the game in England against either Italy or Scotland? Up on the Irish rugby site it was scheduled for yesterday


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    #1248
    The Lost Sheep
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    DV3 wrote: »
    Sorry should've been more specific, was talking about the game in England against either Italy or Scotland? Up on the Irish rugby site it was scheduled for yesterday
    There wasn't one yesterday. They played Scotland today and won 43-0


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    #1249
    firstshorn
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    There wasn't one yesterday. They played Scotland today and won 43-0

    Any match report on this or stand out performers?


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    #1250
    brokenhooker
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    15. Hugh O'Sullivan (Belvedere College/Leinster) moved to 9(61)
    14. Liam Turner (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    13. James Hume (RBAI/Ulster)
    12. Tommy O'Brien (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    11. Daniel Hurley (Crescent CC/Munster)
    10. David Hawkshaw (Belvedere College/Leinster)
    9. Jonathon Stewart (Wallace High School/Ulster)
    1. Eoghan Clarke (CBC Monkstown/Leinster)
    2. Alexander Clarke (Ballymena Academy/Ulster)
    3. Tom O'Toole (Campbell College/Ulster)
    4. John McCusker (Rainey Old Boys/Ulster)
    5. Charlie Ryan (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    6. Ronan Coffey (Ard Scoil Ris/Munster)
    7. Sean Masterson (Portlaoise RFC)
    8. Caelan Doris (Blackrock College/Leinster) (capt).
    16. Ronan Kelleher (St. Michael's College/Leinster) for A Clarke (45)
    17. Callum Reid (RBAI/Ulster) for E Clarke (45)
    18. Michael Milne (Cistercian College Roscrea/Munster) for O'Toole (58)
    19. Matthew Dalton (Belfast Royal Academy) for McCusker (51)
    20. David Robb (Galwegians/Connacht) for Doris (59)
    21. Conor Dean (Blackrock College/Leinster) for Stewart (61)
    22. Conor Wharton (Oaklands College/Exiles) for Hurley (63)


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    #1251
    brokenhooker
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    Ireland u19 side for tonights game:

    15. Jack Kelly (St Michael’s College/Leinster)
    14. Colm Hogan (Dublin University RFC/Munster)
    13. Gavin Mullin (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    12. Michael McDermott (Dublin University RFC/Leinster)
    11. Calvin Nash (Crescent Comprehensive College/Munster)
    10. Conor Fitzgerald (Ard Scoil Ris/Munster)
    9. Niall Saunders (Epsom College/Exile) (Vice-Captain)
    1. Richard Mouatt (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    2. Tadgh McElroy (Lansdowne RFC/Leinster)
    3. Peter Cooper (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
    4. Oisin Dowling (St Michael’s College/Leinster)
    5. Jack Regan (UCD RFC/Leinster)
    6. Marcus Rea (Ballymena Academy/Ulster) (Captain)
    7. Jonny Guy (UCD RFC/Leinster)
    8. John Foley (Shannon/Munster)
    16. Conor Maguire (Boyne RFC/Leinster)
    17. Michael McCormack (St Mary’s College/Leinster)
    18. Dylan Murphy (Cistercian College Roscrea/Munster)
    19. Gavin Coombes (Bandon Grammar School/Munster)
    20. Tom De Jongh (Belvedere College/Leinster)
    21. Jack Lyons (Crescent Comprehensive College/Munster)
    22. Ciaran Frawley (Skerries RFC/Leinster)
    23. Jordan Larmour (St Andrew’s College/Leinster)


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    #1252
    RugbyRugby2016
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    Anyone know where you can find out what the score is in the u19's game?


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    #1253
    rughug
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    RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »
    Anyone know where you can find out what the score is in the u19's game?

    France 18 Ireland 9.
    Poor game, Ireland were awful.


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    #1254
    brokenhooker
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    u18 highlights:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poHdvYapMMQ


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    #1255
    D14Rugby
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    Anybody have the squad for the Leinster Development vs. Canada game?


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    #1256
    The Lost Sheep
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Anybody have the squad for the Leinster Development vs. Canada game?
    Doubt anyone will. It was end of season/pre summer camp first meet up.
    There wasnt and wont have been team lists etc...


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    #1257
    Stevie777
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    Great win for the U18s v England in Ashbourne on Saturday afternoon (21-17).

    Ireland were 3 points down and a man down when they scored a try from the last play of the game.


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    #1258
    leinstertalk
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Anybody have the squad for the Leinster Development vs. Canada game?

    Starting team plus some of the bench.

    1. Niall McEniff(St. Marys)
    2. Ben Howlett(Newbridge)
    3. Sam Kenny(Wesley)
    4. Ronan Watters(St. Marys)
    5. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels)
    6. Donnacha Mescal(Blackrock)
    7. Rueben Pim(Kilkenny)
    8. David Jeffares(Clongowes)
    9. Elliott Ryan(Pres Bray)
    10. Dominic Henry-Hayes(Terenure)
    11. Eoin Barr(Gonzaga)
    12. Ben O'Shea(Clongowes)
    13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
    14. Jeff O'Loughlin(St. Michaels)
    15. Conor Kelly(Roscrea)
    Bench
    Ronan Hannon(Clongowes)
    Jonny Bell(Belvedere)
    Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
    Adam Corcoran(Castleknock)
    Conrad Daly(Clongowes)
    Adam Fleming(CUS)

    notable players unavailable: Charlie Ryan(Blackrock), Liam Turner(Blackrock), Harry Byrne(St. Michaels), David Hawkshaw(Belvedere), Sam Dardis(Terenure), Scott Penny(St. Michaels)


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    #1259
    The Lost Sheep
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    leinstertalk wrote: »
    Starting team plus some of the bench.

    1. Niall McEniff(St. Marys)
    2. Ben Howlett(Newbridge)
    3. Sam Kenny(Wesley)
    4. Ronan Watters(St. Marys)
    5. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels)
    6. Donnacha Mescal(Blackrock)
    7. Rueben Pim(Kilkenny)
    8. David Jeffares(Clongowes)
    9. Elliott Ryan(Pres Bray)
    10. Dominic Henry-Hayes(Terenure)
    11. Eoin Barr(Gonzaga)
    12. Ben O'Shea(Clongowes)
    13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
    14. Jeff O'Loughlin(St. Michaels)
    15. Conor Kelly(Roscrea)
    Bench
    Ronan Hannon(Clongowes)
    Jonny Bell(Belvedere)
    Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
    Adam Corcoran(Castleknock)
    Conrad Daly(Clongowes)
    Adam Fleming(CUS)

    notable players unavailable: Charlie Ryan(Blackrock), Liam Turner(Blackrock), Harry Byrne(St. Michaels), David Hawkshaw(Belvedere), Sam Dardis(Terenure), Scott Penny(St. Michaels)
    Mescal must have only moved school. Had played Leinster u18 clubs last September


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    #1260
    leinstertalk
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Mescal must have only moved school. Had played Leinster u18 clubs last September

    Fairly sure he hasn't started in Blackrock yet but will be.


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    #1261
    RugbyRugby2016
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    leinstertalk wrote: »
    Fairly sure he hasn't started in Blackrock yet but will be.

    Do you know if he is going into 6th year?


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