Leinster schools league/cup 2015/2016 senior&junior

rugbyguru9

Discussion thread on schools league/cup junior and senior level.


Does anyone know the league tables yet?
and fixtures?

rugbyguru9

group a

Wesley
pres
cbc
st gerards
kings hospital
newbridge

group b

kilkenny
st andrews
cus
roscrea
gonzaga
castlekock

The Lost Sheep

May as well have all schools discussion in same thread like past few seasons... Edit title to provincial discussion.. mods?

Leinster should win provincial schools u18 series this season after not winning for first time in a decade last September...

rugbyguru9

any predictions to what the tables will look like by the end

FrannoFan

rugbyguru9 wrote: »

any predictions to what the tables will look like by the end

In the juniors imagine gonzaga, newbridge, castleknock will be strong. Roscrea an unknown entity.

The Lost Sheep

15. Michael Silvester (Clongowes Wood College S.J.)
14. Thomas O'Callaghan (C.B.C. Monkstown)
13. James Hickey (St. Michael's College)
12. Tommy O'Brien (Blackrock College)
11. Ted O'Donoghue (Terenure College)
10. Harry Byrne (St. Michael's College)
9. Patrick Patterson (Blackrock College)
1. Eoghan Clarke (C.B.C. Monkstown)
2. Conor Gleeson (Gonzaga College S.J.)
3. Evin Coyle (Gonzaga College S.J.)
4. Aaron Browne (Cistercian College, Roscrea)
5. Charles Ryan (Blackrock College)
6. Caelan Doris (Blackrock College) Captain
7. Jack Dignam (Terenure College)
8. Andrew Murphy (Blackrock College)
Replacements
16. Daniel Power (St. Gerrard's School)
17. Cathal Duff (Clongowes Wood College S.J.)
18. Carl Keogh (Castleknock College)
19. Patrick Ryan (Newbridge College)
20. William Fay (C.B.C. Monkstown)
21. Hugh O'Sullivan (Belvedere College S.J.)
22. Tim Murphy (Newbridge College)
23. Daithí Murphy (Newbridge College)

Munster U18 Schools
15. Marcus Browne (St Munchins College)
14. Paul Buckley (PBC Cork)
13. Daniel Hurley (Cresent College)
12. Pa Ryan (Ard Scoil Ris)
11. Sean French (PBC Cork)
10. Peter Sylvester (PBC Cork)
9. Aaron Rice (St Munchins College)
1. James French (Bandon Grammar)
2. Diarmuid Barron (Rockwell College)
3. Ciaran McHugh (CBC Cork)
4. Sean English (Castletroy College)
5. Ronan Coffey (Ard Scoil Ris) Captain
6. Charlie Carmody (St Munchins College)
7. Ian Brown (Ard Scoil Ris)
8. Fergus hennessy (CBC Cork)
Replacements
16. Johnny Williams (Glenstal Abbey)
17. Luke Masters (CBC Cork)
18. Mark Bromell (Castletroy College)
19. Conor O'Flynn (PBC Cork)
20. John Blake (Cresent College Comprehensive)
21. Steven Atkinson (Castletroy College)
22. Tim Murphy (CBC Cork)
23. Daithí Murphy (CBC Cork)

Connacht league starts in about 2 weeks. Think I may be doing some coaching in school in galway this year....
Leinster league a week later.

FrannoFan

Castleknock beat michaels today 31-17 I'm sure michaels were missing a couple of players with Leinster U18 while Castleknock were missing one with the same team. Not sure how many 19's michaels have.

Interesting result all the same.

Any other schools results?

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

Castleknock beat michaels today 31-17 I'm sure michaels were missing a couple of players with Leinster U18 schools while Castleknock were missing one with the same team. Not sure how many 19's michaels have.

Interesting result all the same.

Any other schools results?

fyp

Interesting result but as you say both sides missing players...
Belvedere were up in Belfast today. haven't seen a result..
Gerards beat Newbridge during the week 17-15

OceanSixteen

What are your predictions for the Senior Cup?

It should be wide open in my eyes, Blackrock & Belvedere should be the favourites, while St Michaels also have a strong enough team. I would consider St Marys as the dark horses and maybe Roscrea too although Tynan is one of the only players returning from last year

ken76

Belvos to loose I reckon

FrannoFan

ken76 wrote: »

Belvos to loose I reckon

The 6th and 5th years both made jct finals, not massively represented in age grades. I'd imagine they have a number of players who made the final back.

Bridge93

Won't claim to know too much of what'll go on this year but I would've thought Blackrock picking from 3 consecutive winning junior cup teams will start the year as favourites?

FrannoFan

Whoever wins the league or makes the league final will be there or thereabouts as well. Newbridge and Roscrea you would imagine. maybe Gonzaga, gerrards, monkstown or Castleknock depending on the crop of players. more a wait and see with the league but whoever comes through it will challenge.

OceanSixteen

St Michaels host Belvo this saturday, both will be missing players but should be an interesting game

rugbyguru9

Predictions for the first senior league matches?

FrannoFan

Leinster U20's

15. Jack Power (UCD RFC)
14. Matt Byrne (Terenure College RFC)
13. Conor O'Brien (Clontarf FC)
12. James O'Brien (Newbridge College)
11. Hugo Keenan (UCD RFC)
10. Matthew Gilsenan (UCD RFC)
9. Rowan Osbourne (Clongowes Wood College S.J.)
1. James Bollard (Dublin University FC)
2. John Molony (Clongowes Wood College S.J.)
3. Adam Coyne (Naas RFC)
4. Michael Melia (Terenure College RFC)
5. James Ryan (St. Michael's College) Captain
6. Will Connors (UCD RFC)
7. David Aspil (St Mary's College RFC)
8. Max Deegan (Lansdowne FC)

Replacements

16. James Brennan (UCD RFC)
17. Vakh Abdaladze (Clontarf FC)
18. Greg McGrath (Lansdowne FC)
19. Rob Lalor ((Terenure College RFC)
20. Greg Jones (UCD RFC)
21. Nick Peters (Gonzaga College)
22. Tommy Whittle (Dublin University FC)
23. Terry Kennedy (St Mary's College RFC)

Assume the lads with schools after their name just don't have clubs yet. Couldn't be still in school and playing 20's

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

Leinster U20's

15. Jack Power (UCD RFC)
14. Matt Byrne (Terenure College RFC)
13. Conor O'Brien (Clontarf FC)
12. James O'Brien (Newbridge College)
11. Hugo Keenan (UCD RFC)
10. Matthew Gilsenan (UCD RFC)
9. Rowan Osbourne (Clongowes Wood College S.J.)
1. James Bollard (Dublin University FC)
2. John Molony (Clongowes Wood College S.J.)
3. Adam Coyne (Naas RFC)
4. Michael Melia (Terenure College RFC)
5. James Ryan (St. Michael's College) Captain
6. Will Connors (UCD RFC)
7. David Aspil (St Mary's College RFC)
8. Max Deegan (Lansdowne FC)

Replacements

16. James Brennan (UCD RFC)
17. Vakh Abdaladze (Clontarf FC)
18. Greg McGrath (Lansdowne FC)
19. Rob Lalor ((Terenure College RFC)
20. Greg Jones (UCD RFC)
21. Nick Peters (Gonzaga College)
22. Tommy Whittle (Dublin University FC)
23. Terry Kennedy (St Mary's College RFC)

Assume the lads with schools after their name just don't have clubs yet. Couldn't be still in school and playing 20's

Already posted squad in 20s thread.... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057466490
They are out of school as the provinces have it as requirement I think, bar some cases, that guys are out of school to play 20s.
If they are out of school they will have found clubs but they just may not be listed there yet
Highly doubt guys are still looking for clubs at this stage if good enough to be playing 20s interpros

FrannoFan

Any results from around the schools?

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

Any results from around the schools?

very few games considering interpros still on. Belvedere beat Michaels this morning 29-0
Connacht league starts this week. May be refereeing a few games.... will be interesting to see standard

rugbyguru9

Group A

Newbridge v Kings Hospital
ST Gerards v CBC
Wesley collage v Pres

Group B

Castleknock V Gonzaga
Roscrea v CUS
Kilkenny v Andrews

Predictions?

rugby2345

rugbyguru9 wrote: »

Group A

Newbridge v Kings Hospital
ST Gerards v CBC
Wesley collage v Pres

Group B

Castleknock V Gonzaga
Roscrea v CUS
Kilkenny v Andrews

Predictions?

Newbridge should have too much for KH
Gerard's 5th years won league at junior level and monkstown 6th years won the same the year before could be good game
Haven't a clue what pres or wesley are like this year
Castleknock
Roscrea
Kilkenny are fairly strong this year but hear good things about Andrews backline

unce09f

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/schools-decision-is-hard-to-fathom-31597849.html

Ireland u18 schools/clubs teams disbanded, forming two national u18 sides with both sections combined.

The Lost Sheep

unce09f wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/schools-decision-is-hard-to-fathom-31597849.html

Ireland u18 schools/clubs teams disbanded, forming two national u18 sides with both sections combined.

Despite Tonys OTT hysterical complaints I don't see how this is a bad decision.

Anyone been at any games yet? Leagues up and running in Connacht/Limerick and Leinster as well as all the friendlies...

unce09f

Blackrock JCT looking very strong again. It's early but wouldn't shock me if they won it all again.

SCT will be Rock or Roscrea with Belvo 3rd and the rest on the outside looking in.

unce09f

IRFU trying to wrest control and influence of provinces.
If it was upto the IRFU they'd do away with the provincial ties that every young player naturally has growing up.

Provincial loyalty and identity one of the most important aspects of Irish rugby.

The Lost Sheep

unce09f wrote: »

IRFU trying to wrest control and influence of provinces.
If it was upto the IRFU they'd do away with the provincial ties that every young player naturally has growing up.

Provincial loyalty and identity one of the most important aspects of Irish rugby.

:pac:....:rolleyes:
The IRFU are the direct bosses/leaders of provinces. What is implying the provincial ties are being lessened....

unce09f

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:pac:....:rolleyes:
The IRFU are the direct bosses/leaders of provinces. What is implying the provincial ties are being lessened....

If you had any clue what was going on behind the scenes you'd know exactly what I was talking about.
Widely known Nucifora et al. dislike the provincial ties players have from a young age. Makes it difficult for them to "manage" talent coming through at each province.

unce09f

Senior league results:
Newbridge College 15, Wesley College 3;
Presentation College Bray 7, CBC Monkstown 40;
The Kings Hospital 8, St Gerards School 15;
CUS 22, Kilkenny College 51;
Gonzaga College 19, Cistercian College Roscrea 13;
St Andrews College 18, Castleknock College 6;

Junior league results:
CBC Monkstown 11, Presentation College Bray 13;
St Gerards School 27, The Kings Hospital 8;
Wesley College 0, Newbridge College 45;
Castleknock College 25, Kilkenny College 7;
CUS 0, Cistercian College Roscrea 58;
Gonzaga College 58, St Andrews College 0;

Aussie_Bloke

Any Senior schools results over the last few weeks ?. favorites ect ?

mistdub

unce09f wrote: »

If you had any clue what was going on behind the scenes you'd know exactly what I was talking about.
Widely known Nucifora et al. dislike the provincial ties players have from a young age. Makes it difficult for them to "manage" talent coming through at each province.

Bit late to this but there is merit in their argument. Players seem to switch pretty seemlessly between super rugby franchises in NZ with little provincial loyalty )(

mistdub

unce09f wrote: »

If you had any clue what was going on behind the scenes you'd know exactly what I was talking about.
Widely known Nucifora et al. dislike the provincial ties players have from a young age. Makes it difficult for them to "manage" talent coming through at each province.

Bit late to this but there is merit in their argument. Players seem to switch pretty seemlessly between super rugby franchises in NZ with little provincial loyalty (maa nonu had played for the canes, landers and blues since 2012) it allows them to get their best players playing 1st xv rugby and therefore develop quicker. Look at olding in Ulster for instance, it would be massively beneficial for Connacht and not too detrimental to ulster if he moved to Connacht and played week in week out. I imagine if we spread out our talent like this it might hurt the stronger provinces short term but long term the provinces and national side would play a higher standard of rugby and develop more depth as the balances spread of talent would open younger players to more experience and lessen the need for clubs like Connacht to sign foreign players. I completely understand the arguments against this aswell and am not sure how I would feel as a Leinster fan if for instance madigan went to Connacht, but this is just the logical argument as to why weakened provincial liyalty may be a good thing

The Lost Sheep

Aussie_Bloke wrote: »

Any Senior schools results over the last few weeks ?. favorites ect ?

Blackrock beaten Terenure, SA touring side which beat Roscrea

Garbally top of the pile in Connacht - 4from 4 in league
Glenstal going well in Limerick league....

Ed The Equalizer

mistdub wrote: »

Bit late to this but there is merit in their argument. Players seem to switch pretty seemlessly between super rugby franchises in NZ with little provincial loyalty (maa nonu had played for the canes, landers and blues since 2012) it allows them to get their best players playing 1st xv rugby and therefore develop quicker. Look at olding in Ulster for instance, it would be massively beneficial for Connacht and not too detrimental to ulster if he moved to Connacht and played week in week out. I imagine if we spread out our talent like this it might hurt the stronger provinces short term but long term the provinces and national side would play a higher standard of rugby and develop more depth as the balances spread of talent would open younger players to more experience and lessen the need for clubs like Connacht to sign foreign players. I completely understand the arguments against this aswell and am not sure how I would feel as a Leinster fan if for instance madigan went to Connacht, but this is just the logical argument as to why weakened provincial liyalty may be a good thing

What you've outlined is quite possibly the biggest potential improvement Irish rugby could make.

Aussie_Bloke

So who are the favorites this year in the senior cup? I hear Rock and Belvo are strong but some other schools are in with a shout. Any big results?

FrannoFan

mistdub wrote: »

Bit late to this but there is merit in their argument. Players seem to switch pretty seemlessly between super rugby franchises in NZ with little provincial loyalty (maa nonu had played for the canes, landers and blues since 2012) it allows them to get their best players playing 1st xv rugby and therefore develop quicker. Look at olding in Ulster for instance, it would be massively beneficial for Connacht and not too detrimental to ulster if he moved to Connacht and played week in week out. I imagine if we spread out our talent like this it might hurt the stronger provinces short term but long term the provinces and national side would play a higher standard of rugby and develop more depth as the balances spread of talent would open younger players to more experience and lessen the need for clubs like Connacht to sign foreign players. I completely understand the arguments against this aswell and am not sure how I would feel as a Leinster fan if for instance madigan went to Connacht, but this is just the logical argument as to why weakened provincial liyalty may be a good thing

might be the wrong thread for this chat but The provincial loyalty is a double edged sword. It allows us to keep SOb, Heaslip and lure back Sexton but then it hinders movement of fringe players.
I reckon we get high quality players for cheaper than there market value due to this loyalty. I reckon Murphy, Reid or lower down ranks like Ryan/van Der Flyer are on a fraction what the french club has to pay for a similar quality cover.
I would be in favour of player movement in principle but the benefit of the loyalty enables us to fend off competition from abroad

Ricardo Rodriquez

Anyone have any thoughts on how this new 20 month rule will affect certain schools this year and in years to come?

Hagz

Newstalk are about to discuss whether you need to play for a fee paying school to make in Leinster. Might be of interest to some.

Ricardo Rodriquez

Redemptionz, you've nailed it on the head; Blackrock should be the worst hit, but they're not. They have already started recruiting at a younger age and are already bypassing this new rule. The 20 month rule will actually stand to benefit Blackrock and the couple of other elite schools in Leinster. The smaller schools can't afford to offer 3 or 4 year scholarships and will no doubt suffer as a result.


I know what you're saying about poaching players from other schools. This needs to stop, but this new 20 month rule is not the way forward. If you listened to Trevor Brennan on Newstalk there he talked a lot of sense. One of his main points was that the way to address the problem is to improve the coaching and facilities the smaller schools. The answer isn't to turn around to a boy of 16 and say- "no sorry but you can't play rugby at senior cup level because you didn't pay a fortune to be here 20 months before hand".

Again I stress- this new rule is completely elitist and needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

Ricardo Rodriquez

Redemptionz, you've nailed it on the head; Blackrock should be the worst hit, but they're not. They have already started recruiting at a younger age and are already bypassing this new rule. The 20 month rule will actually stand to benefit Blackrock and the couple of other elite schools in Leinster. The smaller schools can't afford to offer 3 or 4 year scholarships and will no doubt suffer as a result.


I know what you're saying about poaching players from other schools. This needs to stop, but this new 20 month rule is not the way forward. If you listened to Trevor Hogan the coaching and facilities the smaller schools. The answer isn't to turn around to a boy of 16 and say- "no sorry but you can't play rugby at senior cup level because you didn't pay a fortune to be here 20 months before hand

Again I stress- this new rule is completely elitist and needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

bradders90

Ricardo Rodriquez wrote: »

Redemptionz, you've nailed it on the head; Blackrock should be the worst hit, but they're not. They have already started recruiting at a younger age and are already bypassing this new rule. The 20 month rule will actually stand to benefit Blackrock and the couple of other elite schools in Leinster. The smaller schools can't afford to offer 3 or 4 year scholarships and will no doubt suffer as a result.


I know what you're saying about poaching players from other schools. This needs to stop, but this new 20 month rule is not the way forward. If you listened to Trevor Brennan on Newstalk there he talked a lot of sense. One of his main points was that the way to address the problem is to improve the coaching and facilities the smaller schools. The answer isn't to turn around to a boy of 16 and say- "no sorry but you can't play rugby at senior cup level because you didn't pay a fortune to be here 20 months before hand".

Again I stress- this new rule is completely elitist and needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

I personally think people need to accept scholarships as a fact of life. No one is going to be happy bar complete banning of scholarships and that cannot happen so.

The Lost Sheep

Ricardo Rodriquez wrote: »

Anyone have any thoughts on how this new 20 month rule will affect certain schools this year and in years to come?

Its a great rule. Should have been brought in years ago in all provinces....

Ricardo Rodriquez wrote: »

Redemptionz, you've nailed it on the head; Blackrock should be the worst hit, but they're not. They have already started recruiting at a younger age and are already bypassing this new rule. The 20 month rule will actually stand to benefit Blackrock and the couple of other elite schools in Leinster. The smaller schools can't afford to offer 3 or 4 year scholarships and will no doubt suffer as a result.

I know what you're saying about poaching players from other schools. This needs to stop, but this new 20 month rule is not the way forward. If you listened to Trevor Brennan on Newstalk there he talked a lot of sense. One of his main points was that the way to address the problem is to improve the coaching and facilities the smaller schools. The answer isn't to turn around to a boy of 16 and say- "no sorry but you can't play rugby at senior cup level because you didn't pay a fortune to be here 20 months before hand".

Again I stress- this new rule is completely elitist and needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

Of course Blackrock and others have started "recruiting" at a younger age. They'll(All schools) now will look at players who are under 15s who stand out in u16 regional Shane Horgan Cup and by 20 months up those kids may have 2 more years playing schools cup.
It isn't just about improving the smaller schools its about improving the coaching and facilities in the clubs

bradders90 wrote: »

I personally think people need to accept scholarships as a fact of life. No one is going to be happy bar complete banning of scholarships and that cannot happen so.

Something has to be done. Schools with the biggest chequebook shouldn't be at an advantage over others and something needs to be done around that

RobbieRuns

I have to say that it is a great rule and should help the schools throughout the country who would have lost talented young players to the bigger schools. I am glad that it has come in.

One issue that it may have an effect on is schools with boarding facilities. This is already a dying way of life in Ireland. Not every parent can afford to send kids to boarding school for the full five years but may have intended to do so for the last two (Leaving Cert) years, this could be for academic as well as sport reasons. Places like Roscrea that would have some players from the west who are good at rugby as well as GAA might go there to concentrate on rugby and also getting a good leaving cert, the likes of Gavin Duffy and Ciaran Gaffney spring to mind, only went in LC years. Some schools will be affected more than others and boarding schools especially

The Lost Sheep

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I have to say that it is a great rule and should help the schools throughout the country who would have lost talented young players to the bigger schools. I am glad that it has come in.

One issue that it may have an effect on is schools with boarding facilities. This is already a dying way of life in Ireland. Not every parent can afford to send kids to boarding school for the full five years but may have intended to do so for the last two (Leaving Cert) years, this could be for academic as well as sport reasons. Places like Roscrea that would have some players from the west who are good at rugby as well as GAA might go there to concentrate on rugby and also getting a good leaving cert, the likes of Gavin Duffy and Ciaran Gaffney spring to mind, only went in LC years. Some schools will be affected more than others and boarding schools especially

It should help the clubs more than other schools IMO. It may have an effect on boarding schools but is that really an issue?

Glenstal and Castletroy play in Limerick Senior City Cup final Friday.... Any other games coming up???

RobbieRuns

It is an issue to boarding schools and to their survival, they are a dying concept tho !

its_phil

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It may have an effect on boarding schools but is that really an issue?

Yeah it is. You're cutting the legs from underneath a lot of kids who go to the school for 5th and 6th year for education purposes and are then told you can't play rugby here because a committee in Dublin made a decision. That decision wasn't made for the sake of the clubs either.

You don't survive boarding school without sport, whether it is hurling or rugby.

The Lost Sheep

its_phil wrote: »

Yeah it is. You're cutting the legs from underneath a lot of kids who go to the school for 5th and 6th year for education purposes and are then told you can't play rugby here because a committee in Dublin made a decision. That decision wasn't made for the sake of the clubs either.

You don't survive boarding school without sport, whether it is hurling or rugby.

And kids will still be able to play sport. No legs are being cut from underneath here. Shouldn't be bothered post this considering your gra for Cist Roscrea and all that but this committee decision is to help all areas of the sport and to stop schools using financial means to win schools age grade competitions

its_phil

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

And kids will still be able to play sport. No legs are being cut from underneath here. Shouldn't be bothered post this considering your gra for Cist Roscrea and all that but this committee decision is to help all areas of the sport and to stop schools using financial means to win schools age grade competitions

Shouldn't consider any of your posts considering your "gra" for clubs in that case. Actually you know what anyone who has an opinion on a team they support stop posting, your "Gra" for your team is getting in the way. Such a lazy dismissal.

Tell me what sport a kid coming from the Bish to Roscrea who's played rugby his whole life is supposed to take up when he joins in 5th year? I know four lads who did that in my year and year above, and I'll tell you they weren't joining Roscrea to win cups. They also played Connacht club cup rugby, Tiernan O'Halloran even played for Connemara when he was in Leinster schools team. Connemara, Ballina, Wegians and Buccs were all represented and the school had no problem letting the players leave to play.

So tell me why do these lads deserve to have their legs cut from underneath them now?

FrannoFan

The rule was done with good intentions but it is flawed. for every scholarship/poach of a player there is an unquantifiable number just changing for a myriad of reasons.(an school with 100 in a year can have 20/30 in and out per year throughout the school) I don't think stopping all these children from playing was the plan.
schools can apply for a dispensation. i don't know how that would work either but at least every player movement can be taken on its merits.

it won't stop the problem anyway. A particularly big south dublin boys school known for rugby has taken two in from kings hospital, another from castleknock and another from CUS into third year. The problem remains but it just goes back earlier.

The Lost Sheep

its_phil wrote: »

Shouldn't consider any of your posts considering your "gra" for clubs in that case. Actually you know what anyone who has an opinion on a team they support stop posting, your "Gra" for your team is getting in the way. Such a lazy dismissal.

Tell me what sport a kid coming from the Bish to Roscrea who's played rugby his whole life is supposed to take up when he joins in 5th year? I know four lads who did that in my year and year above, and I'll tell you they weren't joining Roscrea to win cups. They also played Connacht club cup rugby, Tiernan O'Halloran even played for Connemara when he was in Leinster schools team. Connemara, Ballina, Wegians and Buccs were all represented and the school had no problem letting the players leave to play.

So tell me why do these lads deserve to have their legs cut from underneath them now?

I have refereed in Roscrea and know of plenty who I have refereed one week in Roscrea and the next in Oughterard/Thurles/Corinthians etc. This rule is good as it means schools cant be incentivising kids to join for rugby purposes
You say they didn't join to win cups but many do year after year. Those players who join don't have their legs cut from underneath them. They are not being stopped from playing rugby. Rugby will still be available in club system. The schools system is not the be all and end all and by having a system in place that stops schools financial backing being a major role in helping win a cup then the playing field is more equal

FrannoFan wrote: »

The rule was done with good intentions but it is flawed. for every scholarship/poach of a player there is an unquantifiable number just changing for a myriad of reasons.(an school with 100 in a year can have 20/30 in and out per year throughout the school) I don't think stopping all these children from playing was the plan.
schools can apply for a dispensation. i don't know how that would work either but at least every player movement can be taken on its merits.

it won't stop the problem anyway. A particularly big south dublin boys school known for rugby has taken two in from kings hospital, another from castleknock and another from CUS into third year. The problem remains but it just goes back earlier.

The rule doesn't stop all who move from playing but stops those who are clearly moving to play schools cup. It will move earlier and earlier but blind refusal to say it happens and that this rule is bad is not good for the game.

its_phil

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You say they didn't join to win cups but many do year after year. Those players who join don't have their legs cut from underneath them. They are not being stopped from playing rugby. Rugby will still be available in club system. The schools system is not the be all and end all and by having a system in place that stops schools financial backing being a major role in helping win a cup then the playing field is more equal

It's a seven day boarding school. Rugby will be available through club system of course it is and I never said otherwise, if anything I said Roscrea has encouraged both for its Connacht players which is a considerable bulk of the school. Explain to me how it works that a player will play matches at the weekend but no training with the club side? I've done it in Gaelic Football for my local side and the resentment from some team mates of playing and no training became too much and I quit. What I'm reading from above you're saying, you can train with your school mates during the week and hold a tackle bag, but sorry no games unless it is with the club at the weekend. Think he is going to be interested in rugby for much longer?

I've done it in Gaelic Football for my local side and the resentment from some team mates of playing and no training became too much and I quit. I know plenty of lads who did the same.

Financial backing will never not be a major role in winning cups it doesn't matter what school it is. I don't like it, you don't like it but it will always be a major part.

The biggest issue that is knockable in underage rugby is the exclusivity of only playing for schools and not allowed for clubs.

The Lost Sheep

its_phil wrote: »

It's a seven day boarding school. Rugby will be available through club system of course it is and I never said otherwise, if anything I said Roscrea has encouraged both for its Connacht players which is a considerable bulk of the school. Explain to me how it works that a player will play matches at the weekend but no training with the club side? I've done it in Gaelic Football for my local side and the resentment from some team mates of playing and no training became too much and I quit. What I'm reading from above you're saying, you can train with your school mates during the week and hold a tackle bag, but sorry no games unless it is with the club at the weekend. Think he is going to be interested in rugby for much longer?

I've done it in Gaelic Football for my local side and the resentment from some team mates of playing and no training became too much and I quit. I know plenty of lads who did the same.

Financial backing will never not be a major role in winning cups it doesn't matter what school it is. I don't like it, you don't like it but it will always be a major part.

The biggest issue that is knockable in underage rugby is the exclusivity of only playing for schools and not allowed for clubs.

Players already are doing it. They Go home on a Friday, train and then play on weekend in club. You are not reading what im saying. The schools system as the be all and end all has to end. By stopping schools using financial strength and for peoples wealth to play a role in their chances of "making it" has to be decreased. This change does this.