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Leinster schools league/cup 2015/2016 senior&junior

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    #1202
    RedemptionZ
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Considering what he did against Blackrock and Roscrea his size isn't really a problem

    Once he starts coming across backrows that are 6'4 115kg + it'll be a significant barrier. I don't know his exact height or weight but he looks like he'd very likely come against centres that are bigger than him.

    Had a great cup campaign but in the same sense that people say size isn't enough at the pro game, neither is pure ability. You need to be a certain size to play backrow.


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    #1203
    D14Rugby
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Once he starts coming across backrows that are 6'4 115kg + it'll be a significant barrier. I don't know his exact height or weight but he looks like he'd very likely come against centres that are bigger than him.

    Had a great cup campaign but in the same sense that people say size isn't enough at the pro game, neither is pure ability. You need to be a certain size to play backrow.

    Just gonna point out JVDF isnt exactly massive in comparison to most international 7's. Its not how big you are its how you use it


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    #1204
    gazump123
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    Alan Tynan is on the bench tomorrow for a Munster u19 development side playing a South African touring team. Also has Milne moved to the Munster set up too?


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    #1205
    brokenhooker
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    gazump123 wrote: »
    Alan Tynan is on the bench tomorrow for a Munster u19 development side playing a South African touring team. Also has Milne moved to the Munster set up too?

    it would appear so. Although I thought you had to play for your schools province upto u18 level.


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    #1206
    brokenhooker
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    Donn O Sullivan ‏@DonnOSullivan 11h11 hours ago
    Also.... Did I miss the memo on the fact that the U/20 rugby inter pros are no more? To be replaced by development squad games. Hmmm
    Seems like Nucifora is ending the under-20 interpros.


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    #1207
    Tarf1234
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    Seems like Nucifora is ending the under-20 interpros.

    Has this been officially announced? Not sure how I'd feel on about them going. Can see positives and negatives.


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    #1208
    brokenhooker
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Has this been officially announced? Not sure how I'd feel on about them going. Can see positives and negatives.

    No. Care to share these positives and negatives?

    Because i'm not sure what positives there are.

    I's another step toward Nucifora trying to dilute provincial loyalties and ties.


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    #1209
    Tarf1234
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    No. Care to share these positives and negatives?

    Because i'm not sure what positives there are.

    I's another step toward Nucifora trying to dilute provincial loyalties and ties.

    Just think if it is development squads it doesn't cut out those players who are slightly over age and would probably increase the standard. More an issue with the rigidity of age deadlines then the inter pro's themselves. I presume the development squad would still be roughly at the age of under 20/21. Under 20s is very early to basically cut off someone's career in rugby if they don't make inter pro's as an age in my opinion.


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    #1210
    brokenhooker
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Just think if it is development squads it doesn't cut out those players who are slightly over age and would probably increase the standard. More an issue with the rigidity of age deadlines then the inter pro's themselves. I presume the development squad would still be roughly at the age of under 20/21. Under 20s is very early to basically cut off someone's career in rugby if they don't make inter pro's as an age in my opinion.

    Oh no it would still be u20 development squads, but instead of having 4 provinces there would be no provincial ties and players from different provinces would play together. It is after all an exercise to identify players for Ireland u20.

    I think the likely scenario would be 2 u20 development squads made up of players from all 4 provinces. Probably 60 players total with a breakdown along something like this: 5 Connacht, 12 Ulster, 18 Munster, 25 Leinster.

    How that would work in regards to players training together over the summer I'm not sure. Seems like a bad idea to me, Nucifora really trying to dilute importance of provinces and where you are from. Trying to get the best 60 players playing as opposed to the best 15 from each province.


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    #1211
    Tarf1234
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    Oh no it would still be u20 development squads, but instead of having 4 provinces there would be no provincial ties and players from different provinces would play together. It is after all an exercise to identify players for Ireland u20.

    I think the likely scenario would be 2 u20 development squads made up of players from all 4 provinces. Probably 60 players total with a breakdown along something like this: 5 Connacht, 12 Ulster, 18 Munster, 25 Leinster.

    How that would work in regards to players training together over the summer I'm not sure. Seems like a bad idea to me, Nucifora really trying to dilute importance of provinces and where you are from. Trying to get the best 60 players playing as opposed to the best 15 from each province.

    Ah ok, hadn't seen anything on it before this and presumed differently. Seems like an odd move. Why only 2 development squads? Surely that is just significantly reducing the number of players exposed. Can't see the value in that if I'm honest.


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    #1212
    brokenhooker
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Ah ok, hadn't seen anything on it before this and presumed differently. Seems like an odd move. Why only 2 development squads? Surely that is just significantly reducing the number of players exposed. Can't see the value in that if I'm honest.

    have heard it could be 2 or 3.
    players to train over summer with sub-academy then squads will be chosen.


    want to focus development on elite group of players.


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    #1213
    Tarf1234
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    have heard it could be 2 or 3.
    players to train over summer with sub-academy then squads will be chosen.


    want to focus development on elite group of players.

    I'm all for examining the way we operate and how we organise every level but reducing to 2 or 3 teams seems a bit short sighted to me. Surely we have enough quality to maintain 4 teams


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    #1214
    RuPi
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    Complete Squad breakdown:

    Prop: Eoghan Clarke (CBC Monkstown / Leinster)
    Prop: Evin Coyle (Gonzaga / Leinster)
    Prop: Cathal Duff (Clongowes / Leinster)
    Prop: Michael Milne (Roscrea / Munster)- ex Leinster youth
    Prop: Tom O'Toole (Campbell College / Ulster)
    Prop: Callum Reid (RBAI / Ulster)
    Prop: Paul Mullan (Armagh RFC / Ulster)
    Prop: Fergus O'Brien (Whitgift School / Exiles)
    Hooker: Tadgh McCarthy (Bantry RFC / Munster)
    Hooker: Diarmuid Barron (Rockwell College / Munster)
    Hooker: Ronan Kelleher (St. Michael's College / Leinster)
    Hooker: Stephen McLaughlin (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Hooker: Alexander Clarke (Ballymena Academy / Ulster)
    Lock: Charlie Ryan (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Lock: Aaron Browne (Roscrea / Leinster)
    Lock: Jack Dunne (St.Michael's College / Leinster)
    Lock: Ronan Coffey (Ard Scoil Ris / Munster)
    Lock: John McCusker (Rainey Old Boys / Ulster)
    Lock: Matthew Dalton (Belfast Royal Academy / Ulster)
    Lock: David Robb (Galwegians / Connacht)
    Backrow: Caelan Doris (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Backrow: Richard Dunne (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Backrow: Sean Masterson (Portlaoise RFC/Leinster) - will probably move to Connacht but stranger things have happened
    Backrow: JJ O'Dea (Navan / Leinster)
    Backrow: Andrew Murphy (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Backrow: Jack Daly (Castleisland / Munster)
    Backrow: Jack O'Sullivan (PBC / Munster)
    Backrow: Jonjo Fanning (Bugbrooke RFC / Exiles)
    Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan (Belvedere College / Leinster)
    Scrumhalf: Jonathon Stewart (Wallace High School / Ulster)
    Scrumhalf: Rhys O'Donnell (RBAI / Ulster)
    Scrumhalf: Alex Crocker (Henley College / Exiles)
    Outhalf: David Hawkshaw (Belvedere College / Leinster)
    Outhalf: Conor Dean (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Outhalf: Peter Sylvester (PBC / Munster)
    Outhalf: Bruce Houston (Ballymena Academy / Ulster)
    Outhalf: James Newey (Christ College Brecon / Exiles)
    Centre: Tommy O'Brien (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Centre: Liam Turner (Blackrock College / Leinster)
    Centre: David McCarthy (Skibbereen RFC / Munster)
    Centre: James Hume (RBAI / Ulster)
    Cory Reid (Buccaneers & Marist College / Connacht)
    Wing: Conor Philips (Crescent College / Munster)
    Wing: Thomas O'Callaghan (CBC Monkstown / Leinster)
    Wing: Ollie Brown (Harpenden RFC / Exiles)
    Fullback: Michael Sylvester (Clongowes Wood College / Leinster)
    Fullback: Sam Dardis (Terenure / Leinster)
    Fullback: Daniel Hurley (Cresent CC / Munster)
    Fullback: Conor Wharton (Oaklands College / Exiles)

    Is there many lads from Leinster and Munster who didn't play Inter pros in September? Hawkshaw is obviously one, Bruce Houston was only in the Ulster 17's, so that is encouraging that both those 10's will be eligible next year.


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    #1215
    brokenhooker
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    RuPi wrote: »
    Is there many lads from Leinster and Munster who didn't play Inter pros in September? Hawkshaw is obviously one, Bruce Houston was only in the Ulster 17's, so that is encouraging that both those 10's will be eligible next year.

    1. Sam Dardis(u17)
    2. Michael Milne(u17)
    3. Liam Turner(u17)
    4. David Hawkshaw(u17)
    5. Conor Phillips(u17)
    6. Stephen McLaughlin(unsure)
    7. Richard Dunne(didn't make leinster squad)
    8. Jack Dunne(didn't play in interpros but involved in wider squad)
    9. Ronan Kelleher(injury)
    10. Rhys O'Donnell(unsure)
    11. Conor Dean(injury)
    12. Bruce Houston(u17)

    I've also heard Charlie Ryan is u17 too.


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    #1216
    brokenhooker
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    OceanSixteen wrote: »
    O'Sullivan is being used as a fullback AFAIK

    then they only brought 1 scrumhalf with the A team.


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    #1217
    brokenhooker
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    OceanSixteen wrote: »
    Belvedere lads involved with the Ireland U19s
    Tom de Jongh (Backrow)
    Conor Jennings (Outhalf/Centre)
    James McKeown (Wing)

    3 Munster lads invovled:
    Calvin Nash(Centre/Wing)
    Jack Lyons(Scrumhalf)
    Colm Hogan(Back Three)

    Jack Kelly(Fullback/Centre) & Oisin Dowling(Lock) there too.


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    #1218
    brokenhooker
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    Mick McCormack(Prop) from St. Marys there too.


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    #1219
    RugbyRugby2016
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    Mick McCormack(Prop) from St. Marys there too.

    Any idea if McGowan or Mullin are in the squad?


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    #1220
    brokenhooker
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    RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »
    Any idea if McGowan or Mullin are in the squad?
    havent heard.


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    #1221
    brokenhooker
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    Ireland u19 squad

    Prop: Peter Cooper (Belfast Harlequins RFC/Ulster)
    Prop: Dylan Murphy (CC Roscrea/Munster)
    Prop: Richie Mouatt (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    Prop: Mick McCormack (St. Marys College/Leinster)
    Hooker: Conor Maguire (Boyne RFC/Leinster)
    Hooker: Tadgh McElroy (Lansdowne FC/Leinster)
    Lock: Jack Regan (UCD RFC/Leinster)
    Lock: Oisin Dowling (St. Michael's College/Leinster)
    Lock: Gavin Coombes (Bandon Grammar/Munster)
    Backrow: Tom de Jongh (Belvedere College/Leinster)
    Backrow: Paul Boyle (Lansdowne FC/Leinster)
    Backrow: Johnny Guy (UCD RFC/Leinster)
    Backrow: John Foley (Shannon RFC/Munster)
    Backrow: Marcus Rea (Ballymena Academy/Ulster)
    Scrumhalf: Niall Saunders (Epsom College/Exile)
    Scrumhalf: Jack Lyons (Crescent College/Munster)
    Outhalf: Ciaran Frawley (Skerries RFC/Leinster)
    Outhalf: Conor Fitzgerald (Ard Scoil Ris/Munster)
    Centre: Peadar Collins (Ard Scoil Ris/Munster)
    Centre: Gavin Mullin (Blackrock College/Leinster)
    Centre: Michael McDermott (Dublin University FC/Leinster)
    Wing: James McKeown (Belvedere College/Leinster)
    Wing: Jordan Larmour (St. Andrew's College/Leinster)
    Wing: Calvin Nash (Crescent College/Munster)
    Wing: Colm Hogan (Dublin University FC/Munster)
    Fullback: Jack Kelly (St. Michael's College/Leinster)

    Leinster: 15
    Munster: 8
    Ulster: 2
    Exile: 1
    Connacht: 0


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    #1222
    brokenhooker
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    stream of Ireland u18 game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB-DbIkdp_c


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    #1223
    errlloyd
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    Will Larmour play do we reckon?


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    #1224
    brokenhooker
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Will Larmour play do we reckon?

    where? or will he?


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    #1225
    typhoony
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    no sign of the wesley out-half adam curry on any of the underage teams. he looks a serious athlete


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    #1226
    brokenhooker
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    Starting u18 team:

    1. Callum Reid(Ulster)
    2. Ronan Kelleherv
    3. Tom O'Toole(Ulster)
    4. Matthew Dalton(Ulster)
    5. Charlie Ryan(Leinster)
    6. Ronan Coffey(Munster)
    7. Richard Dunne(Leinster)
    8. Caelan Doris(Leinster)
    9. Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
    10. Conor Dean(Leinster)
    11. Daniel Hurley(Munster)
    12. James Newey(Exile)
    13. James Hume(Ulster)
    14. Conor Wharton(Exile)
    15. Hugh O'Sullivan(Leinster)


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    #1227
    gazump123
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    Try for Ronan Kelleher. Conversion from the touch line by James Hume. 7-7 at half time.


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    #1228
    errlloyd
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    brokenhooker wrote: »
    where? or will he?

    Will, looks like they've named him wing, he played outside centre this year, but more a case of Andrews putting the talent closer to the ball.


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    #1229
    brokenhooker
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Will, looks like they've named him wing, he played outside centre this year, but more a case of Andrews putting the talent closer to the ball.

    Too small for centre even at underage international level.


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    #1230
    DV3
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    Very poor performance by the 18s against England. Dominated at the breakdown and handling errors ultimately cost them the game. Finished 15-12.


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    #1231
    brokenhooker
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    DV3 wrote: »
    Very poor performance by the 18s against England. Dominated at the breakdown and handling errors ultimately cost them the game. Finished 15-12.

    considering we rarely if ever beat England, let alone keep it close at this level.
    I would say it's not a bad result as we were playing away in the teams first game together, against a more physically developed english team who have played several games together already.

    Too many handling errors and turnovers though that's for sure.


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