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Breaking - explosions at Brussels Airport **Mod warning in post 1**

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  • #1502
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,864 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Simple solution, electronic tagging/gps tracking and/or house arrest. Let Technology do the work. It mightn't prevent everything, but it would help the intelligence agencies focus their work better and mean having to concentrate less on every potential jihadist.

    And if the PC brigade complain they can bugger off. These jihadists are exploiting liberal European values to the max. Yes the rest of us should benefit from liberal values, but not potential terrorists. Unfortunately the Euro liberals refuse to distinguish between normal law abiding citizens and jihadists intent on mass murder. To the Euro Liberals, we are all the same.

    Would you be in favour of this for our home grown ones too? Any suspected republican terrorists or sympathiser?


  • #1503
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Lets try the "5 Whys" technique to identify root cause here.

    http://www.isixsigma.com/tools-templates/cause-effect/determine-root-cause-5-whys/



    A lot of informed and opinionated people on this forum. Who wants to try the "5 Whys"?

    Problem Statement: Islamic jihadists are bombing civilian targets in Europe.

    Why #1:
    Because the book tells them they should
    Why #2
    Because Mohammed did
    Why #2
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did

    and so forth for as many whys as you like


  • #1504
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    What I notice every time with these terrorists and Brussels and Paris being two obvious examples is the atrocious background they have. They spend their entire young lives in and out of prison for usually armed robbery offences. These guys are just total outcasts who have decided that crime is their only career. They go to prison and get 'radicalised' whatever that means. It means as Elvis sang in 'In the ghetto' that they grow up to be an angry young man someday. Prison is often the perfect incubator for this. Religion has nothing to do with how these angry robbers got to where they were. Meanwhile, some deranged 'religious' tyrant who also is a major drug dealer over in Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan has James Bond villain style world domination and/or Mad Max warlord anarchy ideas in his head and this is the only place where these angry young men back in Europe have a future that involves getting revenge on their home country they have grown to hate while furthering the chaos the grand villain wants to create.


  • #1505
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Because the book tells them they should
    Why #2
    Because Mohammed did
    Why #2
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did

    and so forth for as many whys as you like

    If it was that simple why aren't they all at it?


  • #1506
    shnaek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭shnaek


    inforfun wrote: »
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeSyYHgWsAAccjZ.jpg

    Ibi El Bakraoui

    October 2010: Sentenced to prison for 9 years (armed robbery, shooting at police with a kalshnikov)

    2014: Despite advice against it, released early......

    June 2015: Arrested at the Turkish- Syrian border > Turkey sent him on the plane to The Netherlands with a note that he is a ISIS supporter.

    Later in 2015: released because Belgium had no proff he did indeed have ties to ISIS (right.. because who doesnt go on a holiday to Syria in 2015???)

    March 22 2016: We know what he did.


    And the people responsible will look very surprised, very worried and **** all will change.

    That's the European justice that has them quaking in their boots. Ha! Now we've shown them.


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  • #1507
    Corcaigh84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Corcaigh84


    <snip>removed video</snip>

    Apologies if already posted - long video but a lot of interesting points made here regarding integration, ideologies etc.

    banned


  • #1508
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Because the book tells them they should
    Why #2
    Because Mohammed did
    Why #2
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did
    Because Mohammed did

    and so forth for as many whys as you like

    I see. I think you'll need to try harder for this to work. Above shows a shallow appreciation of the root cause.

    Only 5 Whys required.


  • #1509
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    thefloss wrote: »

    Apologies if already posted - long video but a lot of interesting points made here regarding integration, ideologies etc.

    I think that you posted the wrong video - that one has Stefan molyneux in it.


  • #1510
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Nodin wrote: »
    If it was that simple why aren't they all at it?

    I got this..I've heard the sound bite enough times


    "Because islam is perfect and we shouldn't blame the religion but the individual"


  • #1511
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    They're going to have to do something about the conditions in Brussels and Paris and many other cities that are causing this degree of radicalisation though.

    Brussels genuinely has some serious problems. I've lived there and it's not just people excusing the behaviour there's something very seriously wrong with how people are integrated and there are very socially deprived communities that sink into the abyss.

    I know there's an overarching islamic extremism aspect to this, but there is a lot in common with the 'disenfranchised' youth in the US who go in and decide to take out their angst with a machine gun on their school or something.

    We need to find out what the hell is going on here and deal with it as it's starting to get way out of hand.

    All I see is a lot of hand wringing and promises of solidarity and drawing pictures on pavements. It needs to be backed up with real social work and intervention in communities.

    I can almost guarantee you what will happen is there'll be a lot of talk for months, the security will be increased, there'll be police on the streets with machine guns but in a few months time it'll all be back to complacency again and nothing fundamental will have been done to tackle radicalisation and its root causes.

    This isn't even about left wing and right wing politics or anything else. A very dangerous organisation has tapped the disaffected youth of ethnic minority communities and is using them as brainwashed zombie bombs. That's fundamentally what it comes down to.

    Fixing and preventing that issue is going to take serious interventions and it's a lot more than just arming the police to walk up and down with scary looking guns for a show of force. I'm not even sure what good some of that does as it mostly just frightens normal people going about their day to day business. These guys are suicidal and will just blow themselves up.


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  • #1512
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Would you be in favour of this for our home grown ones too? Any suspected republican terrorists or sympathiser?

    Anyone prepared to inflict mass casualties in civilian areas or part of a network with a strong intent to do so. We know that many if not most of the terrorist networks in Europe want to do that. Its only a matter of time before the next one.

    Republicans are not on the same scale as Islamic State. Nice try to muddy the water though. If we all listened to people like you long enough, we'd almost feel sorry for IS in the end. And with each new atrocity IS win more sympathisers, apologists and "useful idiots".


  • #1513
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    I would also argue that if someone's actually found to be intent on being a suicide bomber or mass murderer that maybe they should just look at mental health legislation too.

    It's not purely political or religious behaviour, some of these people must be mentally ill to do what they're doing.

    I mean, in a democracy if you want to campaign strongly against something, you are completely free to do that and there are lots of valid outlets.

    If you want to go in and shoot up a comic newspaper or blow up an airport because you think society's slighted you somehow, you really need to be in a padded cell. For your own and everyone else's safety.

    There's a fairly reasonable argument for actually looking at it from that point of view too.

    It's very likely that IS is specifically targeting individuals who already have a lot of physiological issues going on.


  • #1514
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I see. I think you'll need to try harder for this to work. Above shows a shallow appreciation of the root cause.

    Only 5 Whys required.

    You tell us. I'm sure its going to be along the lines of westerners interfering in the middle east? 9/11 happened before Iraq by the way. Its not like terrorism started in 2003. Its been going on for decades and centuries now. With the invention of modern explosives and AK47s however its never been easier for a radicalised person to kill numerous people at the drop of a hat.

    Ultimately religion is the main cause.


  • #1515
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,864 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Anyone prepared to inflict mass casualties in civilian areas or part of a network with a strong intent to do so. We know that many if not most of the terrorist networks in Europe want to do that. Its only a matter of time before the next one.

    Republicans are not on the same scale as Islamic State. Nice try to muddy the water though. If we all listened to people like you long enough, we'd almost feel sorry for IS in the end. And with each new atrocity IS win more sympathisers, apologists and "useful idiots".

    So not all terrorists and their supporters, just the ones you don't like?

    Fwiw I am no sympathiser or apologist for IS, Personally I think anyone caught (planning attacks or supporting/helping ( should be locked away, tortured for every shred of info they have and then a bullet to the back of the head and their bodied burned and ashes dumped in a waste fill.


  • #1516
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    You tell us. I'm sure its going to be along the lines of westerners interfering in the middle east? 9/11 happened before Iraq by the way. Its not like terrorism started in 2003. Its been going on for decades and centuries now. With the invention of modern explosives and AK47s however its never been easier for a radicalised person to kill numerous people at the drop of a hat.

    Ultimately religion is the main cause.

    Give it go. Seriously, it will get you thinking if nothing else. This can be a very effective technique.

    http://www.isixsigma.com/tools-templates/cause-effect/determine-root-cause-5-whys/

    Problem Statement: Islamic jihadists are bombing civilian targets in Europe.

    Why #1:


  • #1517
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Why #1: because they are victims

    Why #2: because they are victims
    Why #3: because they are victims
    Why #4: because they are victims
    Why #5: because they are victims

    How'd I do this round?


  • #1518
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Why are the government using armed gardai (which are badly needed for fighting crime in other parts of the city) for the airport security when we have highly trained army units that could do the job?:confused:


  • #1519
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Turkey deported this guy twice and warned Belgium and the Netherlands he was a threat.

    Maybe he was working as a spy for these countries?


  • #1520
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Why ...............

    Would you care to answer the question I asked earlier?


  • #1521
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Why are the government using armed gardai (which are badly needed for fighting crime in other parts of the city) for the airport security when we have highly trained army units that could do the job?:confused:


    Which parts?


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  • #1522
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Nodin wrote: »
    Would you care to answer the question I asked earlier?

    I did Nodin, I quoted you and all, have a look


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99167400&postcount=1510


  • #1523
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,747 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I was also amazed the event at Pearse Street Garda station never made headlines last week where Somalian man walked into the station threw a bag and said he was ISIS supporter.

    PC gone 180

    EVENFLOW



  • #1524
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Why #1: because they are victims

    Why #2: because they are victims
    Why #3: because they are victims
    Why #4: because they are victims
    Why #5: because they are victims

    How'd I do this round?

    Very badly. You clearly don't want to know root cause.


  • #1525
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Very badly. You clearly don't want to know root cause.

    And you clearly "know" the root cause!

    Share your profound knowledge with us, don't leave us in suspense


  • #1526
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    And you clearly "know" the root cause!

    Share your profound knowledge with us, don't leave us in suspense

    I have no idea.

    But it's interesting you aren't prepared to try it.


  • #1527
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I have no idea.

    But it's interesting you aren't prepared to try it.
    You don't know the right answer, but you know all the answers which are wrong!

    interesting

    Also, I have tried x2

    you have tries x 0


    it's interesting you aren't prepared to try!!


  • #1528
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    You don't know the right answer, but you know all the answers which are wrong!

    interesting


    You have the highest number of posts in this thread. I guess that makes you the SME.

    Yet you are afraid to try a simple technique.

    You have not tried it twice - you failed both attempts or do not understand how it works.

    The example will help. The answer of the previous why becomes the subject for the new why.

    http://www.isixsigma.com/tools-templates/cause-effect/determine-root-cause-5-whys/

    I was hoping a few informed posters would try the technique and we could compare the root causes.


  • #1529
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,275 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    eug87 wrote: »
    pretty good point from the guardian comments section.

    "Lets all stop talking about hashtags, flowers and gestures; they're lovely, but these attacks are becoming so common, that there's not a Twitter 'thing' that you do, and Facebook has safety checks and the flag for profile pictures.

    This situation is not something that should be normalised.

    How many more attacks will it take for everyone to actually do something tangible about it?"

    Why would anyone view posts on Twitter or Facebook about an incident as 'normalising' it?

    The only thing it normalises is the fact that people use Twitter and Facebook

    You wouldn't say that a book of condolences normalises events. People show up, write some fawning message about how they feel and then get on with their lives. Just like they do on Twitter.


  • #1530
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    LOL, now the number of my posts in a thread are the root cause of bombs in Brussels

    give me strength


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  • #1531
    Alexis Sanchez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Alexis Sanchez


    Nodin wrote: »
    If it was that simple why aren't they all at it?

    The same reasons why every Irish male in Northern Ireland didn't join the IRA. Most of them support a United Ireland, they're just not motivated enough to take up arms and kill people for it.

    You're the only one offering a simplistic view to this. The poster is just pointing the motive behind ISIS.


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