Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Orizio · 14-10-2015 12:16PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Who would you think would be cork best hope aside from midelton to win it
A good post

Rochestown are the best hope by far. Midleton are perennial underachievers at this grade, and despite having one of the most talented squads in the competition they can't be relied upon to get out of the groups. A joke in the sideline as well.

Orizio · 14-10-2015 12:18PM

Pretty sure Guiney is out injured for Charleville as well.

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-10-2015 03:04PM

CBC ist win harty cup, decided go this game instead as ist time in competition they needed support.
All players mentioned last night preview were good Robbie flynn winning a lot of ball and is serious talent as was corkery and Downey and two glen boys looked good.
Hennesy and think was Moloney from midelton centre back was good.
Full back was Crowley I think and showed good solid full back play.

Any other reports of the matches
Hear ard scoil won handy no surprise.
Rochestown won well , but ag hopefully come from that group also.
Thurles the champions won but it sounds it was close v colmans so colmans could still do well as loosing by three points shows there were competitive

Charville lost apparently by two points also.
Cork schools bar Hamilton it seems were competitive but two wins isn't bad cork cork even though a third would have been nice but a long way to go yet.
Anyone with news of the other matches?

Orizio · 14-10-2015 03:05PM

CBC 0-16 Clonmel 0-8.
Thurles 1-22 Colmans 2-16.
Templemore 0-20 Charleville 1-15.
Hamilton 0-9 ASR 4-22.
Rochestown 3-23 A.G. 1-14.

Orizio · 14-10-2015 03:05PM

CBC 0-16 Clonmel 0-8.
Thurles 1-22 Colmans 2-16.
Templemore 0-20 Charleville 1-15.
Hamilton 0-9 ASR 4-22.
Rochestown 3-23 A.G. 1-14.

Mehapoy · 14-10-2015 05:16PM

Orizio wrote: »

CBC 0-16 Clonmel 0-8.
Thurles 1-22 Colmans 2-16.
Templemore 0-20 Charleville 1-15.
Hamilton 0-9 ASR 4-22.
Rochestown 3-23 A.G. 1-14.

Nenagh hammered Doon CBS, 3-20 to 1-11 approx

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-10-2015 06:15PM

On reflection the harty cup today would seem to show that cork teams are still strong and I think considering Hamilton lost lot key players and are in ard scoil group, and midelton beaten by them last year should be focused and qualify this time.
The key is beating ard scoil to get good quater final draw but coaching is the worry like Orizio said.

Colmans won't have as tough as game as meeting thurles and nenagh and doon there capable of beating on there day.

CBC have one win and when you have only three games their group you have a realistic chances going though and st flannans would be beatable, but Castletroy have a few limerick lads but aren't unbeatable.
In any team you need a strong centre spine and as I said earlier in my post Crowley at full back was outstanding, Moloney centre back with hennesy, Downey midfield, and flynn half forward line with the young corkery full forward they have a strong core to there team.
Maloney and Crowley I hadn't really seen much of before but they should be watched by cork minor selectors in the other harty cup games as looked very good today particularly winning high ball and were strong hurlers.

In the other group there's four cork teams so two won't go through but we need two to qualify as Rochestown should, Youghal won't and charville or ag Mhuire will probably be a key game as will the games with them and Templemore the main danger to cork getting two team through

I think Rochestown and midelton will go through definitely from there groups with old Christian also
That's three cork teams which would be okay.
Hopefully colmans and one of charville and ag will make it four or five teams
Christ ri and spioraid niamh won in the b competition today.
A few years ago cork team were being destroyed in the harty cup but two years ago saw an improvement with last year further progress, so sustainable consistently progress is key with going further this year and imo cork winning a harty cup is essential.

I wouldn't fear anyone in the Munster draw next year at minor that's made next week as cork can't meet same team twice same route bar final and I would hope cork get limerick as limerick management isn't imo inspiring and Cork have limerick at home

Clare and waterford aren't exactly anything great imo and tippeary will be dangerous again.
I think this year cork will get to munster final as shambles draw changed but also we don't need luck but just no bad luck with injuries
Cork should be very strong this year and under sixteen and seventeen team are very promising.
Once you keep doing the work it eventually pays off and the minors will do it this year.

The talk on football seen is peadar healy is going in with James mccarthy which I rate mccarthy going in and mick slocum is going in as selector.
There's so many names going around though at least fifteen names I heard mentioned the last ten weeks it's hard to know what will happen and what's true.
It's nearly easier to pick the lotto numbers at this stage.

The story of the day is Rochestown powering on but more so old Christian in normally rubgy school showing signs old guard changing when hurling now focus there and imo both can compete just like rubgy and hurling at ard scoil.
The impressive thing in cbc is the attuide to change and be competitive and they have panel of lads from real hurling places like eirns own a good representation, midelton, sars, St finbarrs, Blackrock and Douglas have hurlers there and Ballincollig and cloughduv, with north cork even having representation there.
I thought they would need a year to find there feet but today win gives them a huge chance of qualifying now.
Midelton cbs and ag Mhuire take midleton and glen hurlers etc and Douglas and Blackrock go to Rochestown but it's good to see other club men from these club doing well at cbc to spread the talent around.

One mention also, I heard that Michael cahalane ex Hamilton and Cork senior hurler is with Hamilton coaching them.
An absolutely brilliant young man that unfortunately own career was ended but it's great he's back involved in hurling in other ways. Hamilton are in a tough group but they will never give up and donughe is a good coach but Hamilton have always been about its community in hurling and after winning sunday county final, jack meade two points in that game was also involved coaching Hamilton school, shows the real ethos there and while they will struggle this year, they will be back no doubt.

Rochestown and ard scoil and Thurles will be favourites to win it outright but midelton should be challenging also hopefully.

Charville play dripsey in another county final sunday and for cork hurling i hope it's charville as they have better chance in next year higher grade and indeed there players will improve at a higher level and with Fitzgibbon and dennehy and possibly casey have cork hurlers at various grades with Danny flynn from this year intermediate cork team.
I admire dripsey and there collection unity from town land around six parishes or so and have ex cork senior hurler mark sullivan played v tipp league at centre forward under Denis Walsh and these lads are huge under dogs, but there i hear well up for Sunday and aren't going to make up the number and I think a tight ptich will suit them and I think this won't be the walk over some expect and charville have to earn it but the loss last year will create hunger in them, good coach Peter finn have them well coached and once the intensity is up, there pace and having more scoring hurlers will win in the end but this will imo be close.
I hope charville win it as there are fine team and even though minors lost county final, they have good young hurlers coming up and it would be huge boost if they won and would be good for cork club hurling if they win.

CORKDOUBLE · 14-10-2015 08:26PM

TTM just 2 things you speak well of James McCarthy he works with the Rebel Og West ..I know people who don't with respects to him rate him at all....also the Dripsey v. Charleville county final is on sunday week the 25th...you mention a number of the Charleville players and I must say I think Darren Casey should make Cork teams in the future along with Fitzgibbon and Dennehy ...we were well beaten but I liked the huge work etic of Casey for the Cork u21s this year.

leaf123 · 14-10-2015 09:26PM

I was at the Rochestown and AG game . The AG were sticking with rochestown for the first half but in the second half rochestown blew them away.Rochestown played a 2 man full forward line of Powter and another Douglas man... They caused wreck .Aherne did a lot of work around mid field but lack support . Gunning was kept very quiet. From what I saw today Rochestown are real contenders

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-10-2015 10:26PM

Anybody please can clarify the colmans thurles results as posted earlier and according to twitter it was thurles won but I was looking on munster gaa site to see the next fixtures which don't seem unlike previous times to be up yet and it's down as a draw.
If it's a draw that is a superb result for colmans and will really give them a huge chance of getting out the group and would deserve it after being unlucky last year.
Crowley is doing good coaching there as he always does.
It would be great for cork if colmans once a school power house became strong again with the glen reviving city structure in senior club also.

Leaf, what was the tactics like from ag?
Did they counter a sweeper with a sweeper as it would be poor management if they played orthodox when as I posted last night Rochestown would play a sweeper as everyone knows they play a sweeper with Kingston rotating or power etc

Last year I and other had concerns ag tactics wise didn't evolve in games particularly the doon game.
You would hope the tactics are better.
Great to hear how aherne played well.
How did sullivan, sheehan, Hanafin play etc

Who stood out for Rochestown
I presume john sullivan was good.

Hurleratheart · 14-10-2015 10:49PM

I was at rochestown game they have a lot to do if they want to go one step farther

While they dominated for spells there finishing was poor something like 15/16 wides and just not watching short puck outs
Quick frees etc

They had hardly no time together before this match so I would hope for big imprvement

Colaiste are team of future but overwhelmed by bigger team today

Taught Kirwan inconsistent with frees

Disapointed with some of older lads today Tsught o Donovan done very we ll on gunning O Brien scored 1 5 from play some lovely scores disapointed with Cormack jand coughlan for Colaiste to who was replaced
There was mention of those lads not fully fit
Busteed has lovely touch
Id say Colaiste will improve next few matches but prob building for next year

Tsught o Sullivan and Murphy in and out of game to and expect better decision making from the older rochestown lads Cashman very good Rochestown have a pile of work to do to get it right

zetecescort · 14-10-2015 10:53PM

Mourneabbey won the replay of the Ladies football final tonight, 3-9 to 0-9. Munster final v Ballymacarbry on Saturday in Mallow at 4. Junior final of Bantry v Templemore also in Mallow at 2

N20 · 15-10-2015 10:39AM

Looks like Christians should come out of their group now most likely with Castletroy unless Clonmel can rally, and unless CBC/ Castletroy trip themselves up.
Flannans dont seem to have made any progress.

Looking at the ASR team they aren't the force they were - although still impressive. Interesting Peter Casey playing in midfield ( or named there) i woukd have thought he would have been closer to goal. Next round V Midleton is the big one. Ronan Dwane will surely have been in Mallow yest. Midletons first game out they will have had time under their belt to prepare and a chance to lay down a marker. They need a good campaign. They need to turn around their Harty fortunes. Its seriously time a Cork team won Harty and Its either Midleton or Rochestown in my opinion.

Im sorry I didn't get to Charleville Templemore game, what a pity Charleville didnt hold on for victory. Given the long season for the Tipp hurlers and footballers I expect this will have disrupted their early Harty preparations and both Templemore and Thurles will improve as competition goes on.

Hah (hurleratheart!!!) I think your harsh on Rochestown. They showed some lovely flashes of skill yesterday - as did AG. There was a lot of clever ball played into forwards and like last year they remain a strong physical team. Despite best efforts of Evan Sheehan Rochestown even though they did look rusty pulled away handy in the end. Sheehan is a lovely wristy striker of the ball, and Busteed has a great eye for goal although I see examiner credited Sheehan with goal I thought it was Busteed. I was surprised Rochestown went so defensive early in second half, and they lost their shape a few times, but Cashman was very solid at centre back. Powter took a bit of punishment from O Sullivan I was surprised he got away with persistent fouling. General consensus was both teams will improve and AG are definitely looking to next year/year after. Crunch game against Templemore next day out, if they don't win there, their chance is likely gone.

There is more in Rochestown they need their big guns up and running. Senior players Eoghan O Brien got 1-5 from play yesterday some lovely scores as did Cormack and Powter. Cormack was unlucky not to goal straight after the AG goal, the keeper deflecting over. Goalie for Rochestown also pulled off a great save from an Evan Sheehan free.

Good crowd in Mayfield yesterday, a good Glen contingent Id say still celebrating and why not.

Only 2 wins for Cork teams but with exception of Hammies, looks like Charleville and Colmans ran out of steam or were pipped. Both could still be in the shake up but a first round loss can be difficult to recover from. Youghal and Midleton yet to play and will be out next round on 4th I think. Limerick have 2 wins in the bag ASR will definitely progress most likely with Castletroy but Doon seems to have stalled. DLS are clearly Waterfords hope but surely Midleton will stand up and fight in that group.

Munster GAA usually put up league tables if they do Ill post them here. Still early days and always the prospect of an upset but next round will separate the men from the boys. Some more great games ahead.

Mitchelstowns great win in B as well yest caught my eye, great to see it.

Tide needs to turn this year for Cork underage hurling

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 12:14PM

N20 wrote: »

Looks like Christians should come out of their group now most likely with Castletroy unless Clonmel can rally, and unless CBC/ Castletroy trip themselves up.
Flannans dont seem to have made any progress.

Looking at the ASR team they aren't the force they were - although still impressive. Interesting Peter Casey playing in midfield ( or named there) i woukd have thought he would have been closer to goal. Next round V Midleton is the big one. Ronan Dwane will surely have been in Mallow yest. Midletons first game out they will have had time under their belt to prepare and a chance to lay down a marker. They need a good campaign. They need to turn around their Harty fortunes. Its seriously time a Cork team won Harty and Its either Midleton or Rochestown in my opinion.

Im sorry I didn't get to Charleville Templemore game, what a pity Charleville didnt hold on for victory. Given the long season for the Tipp hurlers and footballers I expect this will have disrupted their early Harty preparations and both Templemore and Thurles will improve as competition goes on.

Hah (hurleratheart!!!) I think your harsh on Rochestown. They showed some lovely flashes of skill yesterday - as did AG. There was a lot of clever ball played into forwards and like last year they remain a strong physical team. Despite best efforts of Evan Sheehan Rochestown even though they did look rusty pulled away handy in the end. Sheehan is a lovely wristy striker of the ball, and Busteed has a great eye for goal although I see examiner credited Sheehan with goal I thought it was Busteed. I was surprised Rochestown went so defensive early in second half, and they lost their shape a few times, but Cashman was very solid at centre back. Powter took a bit of punishment from O Sullivan I was surprised he got away with persistent fouling. General consensus was both teams will improve and AG are definitely looking to next year/year after. Crunch game against Templemore next day out, if they don't win there, their chance is likely gone.

There is more in Rochestown they need their big guns up and running. Senior players Eoghan O Brien got 1-5 from play yesterday some lovely scores as did Cormack and Powter. Cormack was unlucky not to goal straight after the AG goal, the keeper deflecting over. Goalie for Rochestown also pulled off a great save from an Evan Sheehan free.

Good crowd in Mayfield yesterday, a good Glen contingent Id say still celebrating and why not.

Only 2 wins for Cork teams but with exception of Hammies, looks like Charleville and Colmans ran out of steam or were pipped. Both could still be in the shake up but a first round loss can be difficult to recover from. Youghal and Midleton yet to play and will be out next round on 4th I think. Limerick have 2 wins in the bag ASR will definitely progress most likely with Castletroy but Doon seems to have stalled. DLS are clearly Waterfords hope but surely Midleton will stand up and fight in that group.

Munster GAA usually put up league tables if they do Ill post them here. Still early days and always the prospect of an upset but next round will separate the men from the boys. Some more great games ahead.

Mitchelstowns great win in B as well yest caught my eye, great to see it.

Tide needs to turn this year for Cork underage hurling

The worry is Ronan dwayne tactics nous with midelton as have no doubt absoultey no doubt midelton can handle pressure and lads every bit as talented as the ard scoil lads but crucially absoultey crucially the key is Paul flangan clare hurler Fergal lyons and outstanding niall moran compliment outstanding panel with great management

I would say this ard scoil team is definitely stronger than last year and i mentioned Moriarty clare in post preview other limerick thread and he was outstanding yesterday
Ard scoil problem is picking best fifteen they have a serious team and unlucky loose epic dean Ryan cup final two years ago

Great report on Rochestown game
They will be strong again and are well coached
Ag are looking to the future but again concerns over selection seems same last year

Ronan dwayne is outstanding club club man and goes countless games and is great have school any team however as smidelton last year playing lads out position, Carrig twill he's tactics in all ireland intermediate final he's tactical nous is a concern and while he's good to be with a team i hope some one else doing tactics as have no doubt niall moran will have plan a plan b and plan c if even not a plan d

Mtichrlstown I done report there munster c win last year v blarney and coached by Anthony Nash I flagged them as making huge huge progress and am not surprised as lost senior Callaghan cup last Friday to ag by just six points

They have outstanding half back line of lorchan finn mahony and coughlan
James keating and mark keane are forwards from cork development squads and bsllygiblin George pendle is a fine hurler also
There progressing with games against top teams
James keating is still eligible for two more years at under eighteen level and is a fine hurler and he's played three games recently two for school one for club and is in great form

The key with mtichrlstown like Rochestown last year and Hamilton who had aidan o dounughe and Crowley starting the work there and colmans now have Crowley, with midelton having Collins and Peter Dowling in previous dean Ryan teams and before butler with charville is good coaching to be involved

Hamilton have lost Crowley but o donughe is good coach
Cbc have the outstanding donal o mahony who played with fran ferris and would have i think won a harty cup himself as a player and likely be involved under coaching of the great canon Michael o brien rip
He i think was in Dublin for a bit so coached school all over but doing huge work in cbc

I didn't see any reports in the Examiner today bar the Christans game in the others had no teams but just got a mention
The echo usually does good reports credit due for all the harty cup games

Charville I posted Tuesday night I think had Paddy loughlin involved and he is still eligible and I mentioned jack Barry and pj herr as good hurlers and no surprise they mere mentioned in the paper as having good games

Cork school hurling is good at the moment with limerick with cork strong and tippeary
There's imo clare and waterford that are below these three teams at under age currently
The draw tonight for the hurling senior and I would fear no one bar maybe clare
Tipp don't worry me as there in deep transition and I expect them to fall back
Limerick while I rate Cahill apparently he's appointment was not ratified smoothly and there's lots in limerick not happy with it so I wouldn't rule out a rocky road ahead for Limerick as lot talk of things aren't good and limerick leader said lot club were not happy with Cahill getting in
Waterford yes we're okay last year and they made good progress absoultey but they are not as good as there being made out to be yet
As limerick proved the second year will tell a lot
I'm sure no one correctly so fears cork but Cork have no reason to fear anyone in munster but the truth is munster hurling is so far off kk it's not even funny

In football we have a draw with no football management in place
What an absolute joke
Management will be key if we have any chance of beating kerry
Kerry are hurting after the all ireland final so have no doubt cork won't catch kerry cold next year and only way we can beat them is only if good manager and team is in place
There's been a lot of names linked to the job
Apparently Steve Staunton declan kidney Jose mourinho and if Wales loose sunday Warren gatland such has been the long list of names linked to it

Probably Steve Staunton will get it as he fits the bill an outstanding former player with great service but a poor coaching record
I hear he's the front runner but expect a twist in this story.

Orizio · 15-10-2015 12:17PM

Anyone have the Rochestown team?

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 12:17PM

N20 wrote: »

Looks like Christians should come out of their group now most likely with Castletroy unless Clonmel can rally, and unless CBC/ Castletroy trip themselves up.
Flannans dont seem to have made any progress.

Looking at the ASR team they aren't the force they were - although still impressive. Interesting Peter Casey playing in midfield ( or named there) i woukd have thought he would have been closer to goal. Next round V Midleton is the big one. Ronan Dwane will surely have been in Mallow yest. Midletons first game out they will have had time under their belt to prepare and a chance to lay down a marker. They need a good campaign. They need to turn around their Harty fortunes. Its seriously time a Cork team won Harty and Its either Midleton or Rochestown in my opinion.

Im sorry I didn't get to Charleville Templemore game, what a pity Charleville didnt hold on for victory. Given the long season for the Tipp hurlers and footballers I expect this will have disrupted their early Harty preparations and both Templemore and Thurles will improve as competition goes on.

Hah (hurleratheart!!!) I think your harsh on Rochestown. They showed some lovely flashes of skill yesterday - as did AG. There was a lot of clever ball played into forwards and like last year they remain a strong physical team. Despite best efforts of Evan Sheehan Rochestown even though they did look rusty pulled away handy in the end. Sheehan is a lovely wristy striker of the ball, and Busteed has a great eye for goal although I see examiner credited Sheehan with goal I thought it was Busteed. I was surprised Rochestown went so defensive early in second half, and they lost their shape a few times, but Cashman was very solid at centre back. Powter took a bit of punishment from O Sullivan I was surprised he got away with persistent fouling. General consensus was both teams will improve and AG are definitely looking to next year/year after. Crunch game against Templemore next day out, if they don't win there, their chance is likely gone.

There is more in Rochestown they need their big guns up and running. Senior players Eoghan O Brien got 1-5 from play yesterday some lovely scores as did Cormack and Powter. Cormack was unlucky not to goal straight after the AG goal, the keeper deflecting over. Goalie for Rochestown also pulled off a great save from an Evan Sheehan free.

Good crowd in Mayfield yesterday, a good Glen contingent Id say still celebrating and why not.

Only 2 wins for Cork teams but with exception of Hammies, looks like Charleville and Colmans ran out of steam or were pipped. Both could still be in the shake up but a first round loss can be difficult to recover from. Youghal and Midleton yet to play and will be out next round on 4th I think. Limerick have 2 wins in the bag ASR will definitely progress most likely with Castletroy but Doon seems to have stalled. DLS are clearly Waterfords hope but surely Midleton will stand up and fight in that group.

Munster GAA usually put up league tables if they do Ill post them here. Still early days and always the prospect of an upset but next round will separate the men from the boys. Some more great games ahead.

Mitchelstowns great win in B as well yest caught my eye, great to see it.

Tide needs to turn this year for Cork underage hurling

A great post

Orizio · 15-10-2015 03:18PM

Saich and Kingston missing from their respective schools yesterday.

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 04:11PM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/healy-is-the-dark-horse-to-be-appointed-cork-football-manager/1074139/

willietherock · 15-10-2015 04:16PM

N20 wrote: »

Mitchelstowns great win in B as well yest caught my eye, great to see it.

Tide needs to turn this year for Cork underage hurling

Anthony Nash playing a blinder there.

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 04:27PM

willietherock wrote: »

Anthony Nash playing a blinder there.

An outstanding young innovative coach that has a willingness and want and interest coaching but crucially absoultey crucially he learns and evolved as he goes
Very modern day coaching i hear.

eigrod · 15-10-2015 09:20PM

Diarmuid O' Sullivan, Pat Hartnett & Pat Ryan appointed as Kingston's selectors. Great move, but all from East Cork is a bit strange. Could do with a Glen man on there.

Denis Hurley ‏@Denis_Hurley · 2h2 hours ago
Pat Hartnett, Diarmuid O'Sullivan and Pat Ryan appointed as selectors by new Cork hurling manager Kieran Kingston

RoyalCelt · 15-10-2015 09:38PM

Cork v tipp first round next year. Can't wait!

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 10:16PM

eigrod wrote: »

Diarmuid O' Sullivan, Pat Hartnett & Pat Ryan appointed as Kingston's selectors. Great move, but all from East Cork is a bit strange. Could do with a Glen man on there.

Denis Hurley ‏@Denis_Hurley · 2h2 hours ago
Pat Hartnett, Diarmuid O'Sullivan and Pat Ryan appointed as selectors by new Cork hurling manager Kieran Kingston

I agree one of the glen should be involved

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 10:17PM

Hurling draw is cork v tipp then limerick

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 10:18PM

Tipperary in the quarter final in the hurling it's not a unbeatable draw imo as tippeary are going under transition so I wouldn't worry about it, and limerick with no game waiting in the semi in limerick should cork win.
Limerick won't be tested until then and bar clare in the league any problems they have may not come to the fore til cork play them and with rumours discontent I wouldn't be hugely worried.
The football is kerry in a munster final and tbh it's only great rivalry in name only as joe brolly said cork kerry football isn't a rivalry any more as kerry keep winning but yes media blow it up.

Pat Ryan is selector with Kingston and he's proven at least with sars and imo i wanted him with under age team cork.
The concerns I have is while sars looked good in cork tactically systems wise Sarsfields were well beaten year after year in munster and didn't get even to a munster final.
He's style with sars is old school cork imo but I will give him the benefit of the doubt but one key thing which will show is he ruthless enough is if Cian mccarthy is recalled and if so imo it shows then he's not ruthless in allowing club loyalty over county as I gave clear post before last week county final showing Cian mccarthy statics scoring wise from play and he's county final was poor so does not deserve a call up of does will Kearney or any other sars player bar course o sullivan and Daniel Kearney.
If any other sars lads are called up imo not a good sign.

What slightly worried me is in interview with echo last year he said cussen should been recalled for cork.
That imo raises my concerns over while cork club fine he's judgement senior inter county player.
Time will tell.

The rock will hopefully identify what makes full back and at very least sort that area and yes good new voice but at club unfortunately no coaching record with a club bar under sixteen who did win all ireland this year
Landers at least was with Killeagh.
I would kept landers simply as word has it was ruthless and fact wasn't everyone cup tea, just some players imo was what cork need ruthless voice but some cork panel didn't like that but Conor lehane no problem as said echo admired he's ruthless no nonense approach and anyone with problem shouldn't be playing inter county senior.

Landers as well probably didn't go down well when Cusack said he was one brought in sweeper cork and even Cusack no fan landers praised him but he's words on the Sunday game was cork kicked and screamed to be brought in to it so some players cork favour orthodox style but that's not the way forward for cork hurling.
Pat Hartnett has no senior management experience but least under twenty one county beating top rockies team and in modern coach and least more proven than the rock.

My fear is no actual designated coach and that's a surprise with all apparently doing bits coaching.
Imo that won't work, must be manager coach, selector working certain areas with each having defined role.
No defined roles imo not good in any set up as means everyone is blame etc things go wrong so like mayo joint management no real accountability or responsible or clear director or leadership imo when look at cork football as prime example, we had four selectors with no defined football coach
They were all doing a bit of this a bit of that.
That imo doesn't give statement of intent or organisation.

For example look at Australia rubgy clear coaching defined roles.
Coach cheika over see all coaching Larkham backs coach, scrum coach is lesdma.
So if back are awful Larkham is clearly accountable, with cheika then for not telling Larkham to up he's game and also if it perists for not rectify it.
Today there under twenty team announced there coaching structure for next year.
Structure being the key word, in there under twenty team have a head coach, two assistant coaches with defined roles as both are being groomed for senior jobs in time.
Alan gaffney hugely experience coach with ireland Australia and munster is technical advicsor coaching them as they go.

There word structure is a structure.
Cork hurling team is a manager with four selectors according to what was said tonight.
Limerick intermediate team two years ago had around five selectors with no manager and was a disaster, ask the limerick thread.

Ireland have team manager, schmidt is coach but he's role defined then ireland have backs and defence coach.

Last year mccarthy, Davis sexton sullivan all doing backs and forwards at various times.
No direction imo leads to no direction in the matches.
As last year cuthbhertt done some of the coaching with others but last year cork had a manager with selectors but no defined coach.

You need in hurling a main coach but yes certain areas of the team other parts of the back room team will coachspecial aeras but there's none main skills coach who brings it all together.
As take for example in the modern day a forward needs to be linked to defence with the sweeper role.
A coach specifically will coach a system like Kinnerk and Cian o Neill for example.
Then the rock could be defence, with Ryan a forward in there working on in the rocks case the art of tacking and positional awareness etc and in Ryan case scoring, there been shown the skills and in parts of training often you would see groups split and they working away from each other.
But always then in the top team the main coach brings them together and works on bringing the skills they learned from the others together in a system like Kinnerk done with cork, and cunningjham under jbm .
The manager over sees this etc.

I would prefer Hartnett was the main coach but I'm slightly worried by this, in no exact statement who is the actual coach but instead everyone is going a bit.
Is Kingston going to manage and coach a bit, then if so there's too many selectors imo there.
If this is so it won't work as limerick last year tried that with Ryan doing bit coaching and managing , then beary, then Clarke etc and no direction.
Cork minors for example in football have a manager, herihly with kissane coach, then selectors leary etc
Cork minor hurling has ring with next coach dwyer.
It's called structure.
I will support cork hurling with Kingston and all involved but I'm slightly worried by the back room team and lack real clarity with the roles.
Also no mention of the s and c coach, is Matthew staying on.
The Munster draw was good in cork avoided clare who will have podge Collins next year back but the coaching has to be right.
Time will tell and as soon as the panel is named it's the ist key indicator imo of this management.
Hopefully it will work but I'm not convinced yet but hopefully time will convince me.
I expected better if I'm honest.

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 10:23PM

eigrod wrote: »

Diarmuid O' Sullivan, Pat Hartnett & Pat Ryan appointed as Kingston's selectors. Great move, but all from East Cork is a bit strange. Could do with a Glen man on there.

Denis Hurley ‏@Denis_Hurley · 2h2 hours ago
Pat Hartnett, Diarmuid O'Sullivan and Pat Ryan appointed as selectors by new Cork hurling manager Kieran Kingston

I said this many times before Denis is a superb journalist
When he tweets breaking news he's always on the ball
A superb reporter and every year on year gives excellent reporting on school football and hurling games not just the big games in the limelight but a real imo grass roots journalist

wackokid · 15-10-2015 11:01PM

TTM, you are like a broken record at this stage about Cian McCarthy. FFS lay off the boy, once or twice is enough to give your opinion which may well be wrong.
He's not the only Cork player either that you constantly castigate here on a public forum which these decent lads may well read.
You do not know everything about everything so stop being a complete bore PLEASE.

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 11:10PM

wackokid wrote: »

TTM, you are like a broken record at this stage about Cian McCarthy. FFS lay off the boy, once or twice is enough to give your opinion which may well be wrong.
He's not the only Cork player either that you constantly castigate here on a public forum which these decent lads may well read.
You do not know everything about everything so stop being a complete bore PLEASE.

Look stop you are fast enough to call referee names etc and players
I simply only on performance question mccarthy for cork as last week a cork paper wanted him recalled and as I said many other cork lads haven't had a chance He had There you go again I was wondering how long it would take you
Show me one thing where I said bad on him
I purely rated him field play as anyone can see
And if that not acceptable with respect then you should tell everyone else with opinion many other players do same and the irony with you as you actually don't hold back when suits calling referring or journalist etc beyond the field of play
You called a referee performance pathetic but you then said actually cost he's a team the game
Imagine if he read that
He didn't cost them the game.

You in the kerry Dublin thread gave a short post that was well above and beyond anything I said in you said one team was cheaters, sledger etc and a word i would not even repeat to be honest
Seriously look at your post ist please

You should look at a post last week where you made reference to incident soccer on referees when referring are ameauteaur as well yet you think it's great sarcasm
You regualrly critse referee on the threads etc to be fair now particularly when kerry play when just my opinion of course but you Show total lack respect for what they achieve by always hinting oh was referee won them the match
No doubt they get decision but other teams in the county do also
Course you are entitled to your opinion fair enough
Understand you don't like kerry fair enough but despite winning and there management proven you critse
However players or manager with less proven records that question just cause you like them you don't want to hear it with respect

Some one on the limerick thread this evening didn't rate a player there
Many clare fans critsed Fitzgerald and still rarely gets credit in there thread yet podge Collins coming back shows no problem there

Go to them and tell them the same with respect if you tell me the same
But typical with you your fast to critse in no uncertain terms with respect
But once it's player you like you don't like it
I give opinion purely on the field of play
You don't have to read it or like it

Debate the point if you feel strongly about it and say well this player done a b or c etc
Surely you acknowledge other critsed he's performance

Damien cahalane and pa Cronin get imo unfairly critsed despite performance big games for corkand cahalane is a fine hurler but was often played out of position imo
The next time some one critsed them you say nothing
My view was simply on the field of poor county final and should not be recalled
John Cronin and Leahy never got chances and deserve a go
Nothing more nothing less
You made it perfectly clear you didn't rate Walsh as a hurler and made it clear past year and you weren't convinced with cleary for cork
Fair enough that your opinion

Many media criticism players gaa
It's called opinion
If you can't give opinion what's point these forums
I simply said mccarthy hasn't done enough to be recalled imo when Cunningham glen would for example
And it's reasonable for me to say with sars man now in charge i hope it's not picking sars players

Before you critse look at your own posts
I geuinely have lot time your views as we agree belive it or not so I have no intention reposting them
But just look at your own post before you claim moral grounds with respect please

And there's no castigate with respect
I question horgan performance from play like mccarthy this year
Other poster even question horgan for example in again I'm huge fan but my point is needs score more for cork from play
The next time you critse some one will I do the same as you do to me
I have no intention of it to be honest but my point is i give an opinion like you

And yes you are correct I may be wrong just my opinion

Also I suggest you look at the old cork thread where I huge support Cian mccarthy getting start all ireland final two years ago and said admired he's work rate hunger and tough hurling and was delighted he started the replay but since then in league and championship games he hasn't performance for cork
No need for me to repost that post but have a look if you don't belive me.
So my point is cork need to find new players as totally unfair new lads if don't get chance like others
Nobody ever though think it's unfair on others not getting chances
Mccarthy is a fine club Player that's not the question
I simply gave a view on recalling him to the cork panel as some think he should be and the panel will be announced soon
I'm sure other poster will say others cork players should not be on the panel etc as the week go on
Its called opinion.

The cork panel like every panel will need change when new management come in.
It's normal to talk about possible panel members.
I'm excited about cork hurling and while I have some concerns I like you am a huge fan of Kingston and am delighted he's the manager.

lim4ev · 15-10-2015 11:38PM

Is Kingston underage for the harty this yr and where will the tipp cork match be on now considering paircui chaoimh is flattened who's due a home fixture?

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-10-2015 11:42PM

lim4ev wrote: »

Is Kingston underage for the harty this yr and where will the tipp cork match be on now considering paircui chaoimh is flattened who's due a home fixture?

Kingston is under age for the harty this year.
A terrific player.
Probably thurles and tippeary owe cork a game then
Thurles suits cork hurling and I doubt they would want the gaelic ground when cork love thurles in may.

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