Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

A bit harsh imo considering this is only a school team with a lot of young lads a few under sixteen with them
It was a big defeat but all merciful hammering is a bit much
Now fair enough those words could be more correlated to a senior team defeat or for example even take a junior teamrepresenting cork if they played a munster game for example And were destroyed with more experienced players now those words would be fair enough

This is school and you must remember declan Dalton huge huge loss to Youghal but I think while they will struggle in the harty cup they will still show spirt etc

Also you said during the week Darragh Guiney was injured for charville no he was not as he actually played Wednesday in the harty cup


A good game today to look towards
I don't mind who wins in one way I'd like nemo for Stephen o brien but then McCarthy is with haven and I'm huge fan for what haven done cork football and there parish is credit cork football

Also even though he's kerry man I have total total respect and admiration for tomas o se and would like him win cork county title
One of the great real greats football that you can only admire irrespective of what county your from

Who ever looses it won't imo take anything away from mccarthy coaching or o brien as both imo have done well with there teams
Tough game to call probably nemo I'd say over loosing two years ago
Could be a draw
Blarney got to munster c final last year and in young shine have excellent hurler among others.

Yes epic during the week if I'd choose I would slightly went for nemo but before the game I said could be a draw.
I'm sure you can read it here.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

AND..........it looks like John Fogarty and Tony Leen in the Examiner weren't at the game at all yesterday. Fogarty says " Nemo snuffed out their supply into the full forward line and David Niblock was at the forefront of them turning that area of the field in their favour" ( I think a lad by the name of Dineen was his direct opponent but sure I could be wrong there.
Tony Leen quoting Nemo manager Stephen O Brien says " Niblock and Alan O Donovan dug in deep and played a world of ball"

Yes I know those quotes are a trifle selective to suit a particular slant, and we all see things differently but it defies logic to suggest that Dineen is an intercounty midfielder and to continue shouting it from the rooftops week after week.
He went into the clouds just once yesterday and caught a skyscraper over several heads, but lost the ball on landing.

Did someone say GRATE. Infuriate is a better adjective.

You don't rate dinnen I do fair enough it's called a different of opinion
If I think he played great I'm entitled to say that
Up others make up there mind
You think certain players are great when imo no where near it but your entitled to your opinion
I don't loose sleep over your opinion as your entitled to it i don't see why you should over mine
For a poster that continually says you don't rate my opinion which is your right week in week out you seem extremely interested in every opinion i give.
You should be more interested imo in cork gaa than just what I post.
I think dinnen should get game time for cork to see is he up to it as in fairness loads others who are just my opinion of course are no where near inter county midfield got numerous chances last few years

Dinnen played a challenge in meath two years ago in skyrne was outstanding yet yet got only one half
Since then never got any game
What I'm saying is he deserves a chance
Yes he may not be inrecount standard but he deserves a chance at least like others got to judge him

thinkstoomuch1

N20 wrote: »

It does sometimes seem you're more interested in being right, and having the first word and the last word on everything, than the result itself.

It does grate on people

Just saying

No its just my style of posting and I'm hugely passionate about gaa as only ever post on gaa
You're reasonable poster I'm sure you would say it's seems just few here just few in gaa threads have more interest in confronting my style posts than the post itself
And like before when one poster zooms in others then choose to join which in turn unfairly becomes a wtich hunt on one poster
Many others here mention in there posts there correct
The only reason I do it i suppose is just try to say was bit logic what said before
Numerous posters here and even media reported stuff where they say as I said before
An example George hook today said stuff regards irish rubgy team and he mentioned as he said a few weeks ago In relation to he said issues with ireland and earls was never centre
He made point wasn't George telling anyone so he was correct more of what he said were issues clear see week ago yet no body wanted hear them so much he was accused of ranting when he wasn't
He imo was doing honest assement
And yesterday unfortunately he was correct and for that he gets no joy he said he wanted to be wrong but point is sometimes hype goes in to over drive and anyone refuses get caught up in it is wrongly seen as the enemy with in
Unfortunately here at times imo i can relate to that
I'm not getting in to tit tat or separate debate in ssome may want to bring thread off topic but my only interest is cork gaa and anything that relates it to so I will not be responding to such in future
It always seems to be just a few usal posters have a problem no one else does.

To suggest I'm more interested in being right is incorrect
If I say problems cork football for example I like last year hoped I was wrong as geuinely I get absoultey no absoultey no pleasure seeing cork being destroyed by Kildare last year and surely you will acknowledge that as I'm passionate about cork but don't accept false dawns.

thinkstoomuch1

Great news for former cork hurler Fraggie Murphy
In apparently he is joining clare in a more advanced role in coaching in hurling
He was involved with clare last year in the warm up v cork
Very good promising young coach with good philosophy on the game.

thinkstoomuch1

Hurling it look like could be cancelled next week

wackokid

TTM, I don't doubt your obsession with all things GAA but FFS once or twice is enough to give an opinion.
You are completely wrong about certain players and indeed other things too, but continue to go tit for tat and
spout schoolboy rhetoric in reply to those who oppose your ultra long-winded ráméis.
Take my advice and stick to the schoolboy games and get rid of that big mirror.
We all know you are beautiful.or is it handsome?

commonsense.

wackokid wrote: »

AND..........it looks like John Fogarty and Tony Leen in the Examiner weren't at the game at all yesterday. Fogarty says " Nemo snuffed out their supply into the full forward line and David Niblock was at the forefront of them turning that area of the field in their favour" ( I think a lad by the name of Dineen was his direct opponent but sure I could be wrong there.
Tony Leen quoting Nemo manager Stephen O Brien says " Niblock and Alan O Donovan dug in deep and played a world of ball"

Yes I know those quotes are a trifle selective to suit a particular slant, and we all see things differently but it defies logic to suggest that Dineen is an intercounty midfielder and to continue shouting it from the rooftops week after week.
He went into the clouds just once yesterday and caught a skyscraper over several heads, but lost the ball on landing.

Did someone say GRATE. Infuriate is a better adjective.

Not the only ones me thinks. There are 1 or two contributors on here who regularly comment of games they obviously weren't at. Why he bothers is beyond me.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-sport/morgan-osullivan-joins-peadar-healys-cork-management-team/1110206/
One more selectors it seems just to be added

willietherock

commonsense. wrote: »

Not the only ones me thinks. There are 1 or two contributors on here who regularly comment of games they obviously weren't at. Why he bothers is beyond me.

Someone one here was commenting on last wks county hurling final at the same time it was going on. You'd swear from there posts they were at it.

CORKDOUBLE

Peader Healy is to be fair putting together a very good backroom team ..i am sure he knows that hes not yet a senior intercounty manager ...but unlike Cuthbert he seems to know what is required at the top level as regards appointments hes made ...Morgan O Sullivan is a seargent in the gardai and this year had Healy and Terry O Neill in his backroom in Castletownbere ...he was there manager when they won the county title in 2012 he came back this year and led thenm to a semi final in the county playing above themselves ....

CORKDOUBLE

Lads love him or hate him TTM is a mine of information in all things Cork GAA ...no journalist has his knowledge ...i too might not agree all the time with him ...but the bottom line for me is hes a brillant read !!

moycullen14

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Lads love him or hate him TTM is a mine of information in all things Cork GAA ...no journalist has his knowledge ...i too might not agree all the time with him ...but the bottom line for me is hes a brillant read !!

Fair play to you if you can read it. I find it impossible. The lack of punctuation, typos and sheer length of the posts make them unreadable for me. Pity as he seems to have a lot of useful information.

Not being a grammar fascist but surely the point of posting is that people will, well, read your posts. A bit more effort on readability would be great.

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Peader Healy is to be fair putting together a very good backroom team ..i am sure he knows that hes not yet a senior intercounty manager ...but unlike Cuthbert he seems to know what is required at the top level as regards appointments hes made ...Morgan O Sullivan is a seargent in the gardai and this year had Healy and Terry O Neill in his backroom in Castletownbere ...he was there manager when they won the county title in 2012 he came back this year and led thenm to a semi final in the county playing above themselves ....

O sullivan is a good addition with proven club expirence and is hugely postive addition to cork
It's a good back room team and hopefully the last selector be good
Gene o Driscoll I would think would be excellent as he's record is good and he'd bring in expirence from before and a link from the under twenty one set up that would be good
So far healy has a fine back room team imo

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

Someone one here was commenting on last wks county hurling final at the same time it was going on. You'd swear from there posts they were at it.

Just to clarify the senior game was started at three fifteen indeed my last post prior match three minutes before then
Half time i posted
After match then as did at least three others


You will find many others do like was and it's common practice with gaa media tweet results game etc during games
I wasn't posting all during the games
Also some my posts as I said before are not all done one go parts done then added various times then posted as a whole
It's ironic when people question length my posts at time seem forget it takes time so natural to see post, start submitting reply and saving in draft outside here then posting as all

Also for the very logical reason time takes me do some long posts if was simply reply post in link by time post be done link would likely be refreshed
Posts half time full were quite short
As regularly seen or other threads common get poster opinions while at games half time etc or shortly after

N20

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Just to clarify the senior game was started at three fifteen indeed my last post prior match three minutes before then
Half time i posted
After match then as did at least three others


You will find many others do like was and it's common practice with gaa media tweet results game etc during games
I wasn't posting all during the games
Also some my posts as I said before are not all done one go parts done then added various times then posted as a whole
It's ironic when people question length my posts at time seem forget it takes time so natural to see post, start submitting reply and saving in draft outside here then posting as all

Also for the very logical reason time takes me do some long posts if was simply reply post in link by time post be done link would likely be refreshed
Posts half time full were quite short
As regularly seen or other threads common get poster opinions while at games half time etc or shortly after

This is all a bit ridiculous - no one is asking you to justify or explain the timings of your posts

Just post like everyone one else.

You dont have to comment on or endorse everyone elses posts

I agree you are very informed in some aspects of Cork/Limerick GAA but the high moral gound can be a lonely place, and you tend to beat some of your arguments to death.

pLease dont come back claining to be a prophet :-(

thinkstoomuch1

N20 wrote: »

This is all a bit ridiculous - no one is asking you to justify or explain the timings of your posts

Just post like everyone one else.

You dont have to comment on or endorse everyone elses posts

I agree you are very informed in some aspects of Cork/Limerick GAA but the high moral gound can be a lonely place, and you tend to beat some of your arguments to death.

pLease dont come back claining to be a prophet :-(

To be fair look at the previous posts it was raised as a question
It seems you can't win in say nothing your not defending or providing clarity
When you do respond it's questionable also
The issue was raised so it's reasonable to expect a response nothing more nothing less
I only gave one response to it.


Anyway in gaa matters which is my only interest what you make of limerick draw in who would they rather cork or tipp
Would it be fair to say limerick would prefer cork

thinkstoomuch1

The talk is kissane will do minor and senior
If this is true it's good for cork

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/blending-young-guns-with-veterans-of-2010-will-be-key-for-new-cork-boss/1109010/

willietherock

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Just to clarify the senior game was started at three fifteen indeed my last post prior match three minutes before then
Half time i posted
After match then as did at least three others


You will find many others do like was and it's common practice with gaa media tweet results game etc during games
I wasn't posting all during the games
Also some my posts as I said before are not all done one go parts done then added various times then posted as a whole
It's ironic when people question length my posts at time seem forget it takes time so natural to see post, start submitting reply and saving in draft outside here then posting as all

Also for the very logical reason time takes me do some long posts if was simply reply post in link by time post be done link would likely be refreshed
Posts half time full were quite short
As regularly seen or other threads common get poster opinions while at games half time etc or shortly after

Ive no issue with your posts, other than the over the top stuff about the wimmons football/ underplaying the importance of Cads to the hurlers.

I picked up on 1 comment you made wrt to Cian McCarthy/Brian Moylan and thought it couldn't be made by someone at the match. C Mc caused absolute havoc when switched in full and if the Glen had lost the management team would have slaughtered. Adding that to the timing of your posts I concluded you weren't at the match. A wrong presumption on my behalf.

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

Ive no issue with your posts, other than the over the top stuff about the wimmons football/ underplaying the importance of Cads to the hurlers.

I picked up on 1 comment you made wrt to Cian McCarthy/Brian Moylan and thought it couldn't be made by someone at the match. C Mc caused absolute havoc when switched in full and if the Glen had lost the management team would have slaughtered. Adding that to the timing of your posts I concluded you weren't at the match. A wrong presumption on my behalf.

Fair enough wille no problem In relation to Cian mccarthy yes he got a goal but the game was over then imo and yes he had a great goal chance
It was just my opinion from play he didn't create or score a lot from play and from cork players Before I'd expect more
But that's just my opinion or perception
Yes I could be wrong.


As for women's football I was trying to mention when they deserve huge credit and they still get no where near the attention they deserve
On this thread imo they don't even get talked enough but that is people choice
But I like to talk about them.
Fair enough in the grand scheme things gaa people unfortunately don't regard cork gaa women success in only men they worried about but imo cork women in gaa are a huge component of it

In fact watching itv and indeed tv three having ex ireland and England rubgy players as pundits imo the sunday game should do the same and some one like Juliet Murphy should get a punditry role for mens game

Gary Neville

Obviously I don't know the details of discussions with John Cleary but apart from that, I'd be reasonably happy with the work of the 2 selection committees.

Again, I can't be sure of how Frank operated when he controlled the selection process but I doubt that he would have bothered to get player input - he totally disregarded the views of the 2 players when he re-appointed Gerald Mac in 2008.

IMO - the decision to get ex-players involved was a positive - time will tell. Ex players, particularly of recent vintage, have amuch better understanding of preparation of elite sportsmen than an out-of-touch elderly administrator. (not intended as ageist comment)

Progress and improvement with our board will be slow while Frank is involved but I hope that his influence is on the wane and that the more enlightened approach by the likes of Ger Lane will yield some improvement.

TTH - I'm aware of your opinions on this and I don't want a debate on this point - I'm just giving my opinion on what I've seen

thinkstoomuch1

Gary Neville wrote: »

Obviously I don't know the details of discussions with John Cleary but apart from that, I'd be reasonably happy with the work of the 2 selection committees.

Again, I can't be sure of how Frank operated when he controlled the selection process but I doubt that he would have bothered to get player input - he totally disregarded the views of the 2 players when he re-appointed Gerald Mac in 2008.

IMO - the decision to get ex-players involved was a positive - time will tell. Ex players, particularly of recent vintage, have amuch better understanding of preparation of elite sportsmen than an out-of-touch elderly administrator. (not intended as ageist comment)

Progress and improvement with our board will be slow while Frank is involved but I hope that his influence is on the wane and that the more enlightened approach by the likes of Ger Lane will yield some improvement.

TTH - I'm aware of your opinions on this and I don't want a debate on this point - I'm just giving my opinion on what I've seen

I think we agree that the management looks good and is looking ahead with confidence
In a way the draw yesterday was ideal for cork football as it allows the full management team to attend sunday game and is an ideal opportunity for players to put down a marker for cork
The selector the last one should be announced by then.
Healy has started the ground running and made good appointment

Do you think this will work Gary
Would you have any particular one in mind for the fifth selector?

So far all healy team impress me so I'm willing to put my faith in who ever comes in

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/nemo-and-haven-fail-to-fire-in-attack/1108587/
Barry o Donovan again gives another good insight into the final.
Interesting enough he picks out sean dinnen ball winning ability as he mentioned there.
He's ball winning at times I found was a joy to behold.

wackokid

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/nemo-and-haven-fail-to-fire-in-attack/1108587/
Barry o Donovan again gives another good insight into the final.
Interesting enough he picks out sean dinnen ball winning ability as he mentioned there.
He's ball winning at times I found was a joy to behold.

For SOME read ONE and for second quarter read second quarter.

thinkstoomuch1

I am extremely excited about the forthcoming football season again.
Actually I'm like a child at Xmas counting down the days till the end of January and we play mayo in cork.
It's not that I have hope more i have confidence and belief we can and will be at the very least competitive.
Mayo could be good depending who is the manager and I actually want good real tests no false dawns in this league.

I'm so excited I put together a panel imo I'd like to be tried in the waterford crystal and the league and I'd have a large one and then cut it for the championship.

Keepers
Hallorhan, price Martin
Corner backs
Flahive of Douglas if available as Cork in the future will need a full back in three years imo when cadogan or shields go, and unlike the hurling where we did not plan for a replacement for the rock while dealing with the here and now, it's important imo one eye is is on the future and flahive should be like Stephen o brien was under Morgan and joe kavanagh groomed early and they started in there late teens for cork at senior.
Flahive has played senior for Douglas so imo cork should in some not all league game play him at corner back grooming him for full back in the future.

Cronin when fit
Galvin
Shields
Full back cadogan or shields
I'd give Stephen o donughe more game time at full also to trial out.


Half backs
Tom clancy Fermoy
Tom clancy clon
Conor dorman
Kevin o Driscoll
Sean white
James loughrey
Kevin Crowley if fit with him also being the only half back playing corner back as he's natural instinct and good defending allows him imo to play both area
Cian kiely Ballincollig
Cahalane if he goes to football would be here also.
Colin tucker o brien I'd look at also.


Midfield
Sean dinnen
Sean kiely yes has to work on parts of he game like dinnen but good coaching can help them imo.
Rory deane.
Ian maguire when fit.

Michael o laoire may or not be the answer but he certainly deserves a chance.
If Walsh went back to football he would be there but he's basic football kicking and decision making need coaching but this management has that and imo he'd improve no end.
If Walsh does rejoin imo full forward or centre forward don't suit him.
Midfield or half back imo are the only options imo for him.

Half forwards
Brian o Driscoll
Mark Collins
Paddy kelly
John o rourke
Paul kerrigan
Luke connolly has impressed me this year
Cathal Vaughan
Donnacha o connor in a deep lying forward role as the conductor to play a fast game or slow it down

Full forward line
Cork will imo under the sweeper system will only play two inside with a half forward listed as a full forward but instead playing deep with imo one sweeper playing between the full back line and half back line like a jackal in the sense turning over ball with another sweeper covering half back and midfield and imo being like an out half in rubgy or the modern day half back in American football, where he sweep but he has kick passing and vision to counter attack at pace.

So cork will imo only need two traditional full forwards

Colm o Neill
Goulding
Dan maceoin
Brian hurley
Barry o Driscoll with he also being versatile if needed imo to play half forward if needs be.
Hodnet with he also being a possible option at half forward or midfield.
Other players could play themselves in to position but these would be my core of a panel.


All these are just my opinion of who I think would be good for cork in a proper effective coherent system with a plan a and plan b.
Some which is under standable will have different views on different players and that is fair enough.

I'd have a large panel with a lot of challenge matches organised with everyone on the panel between challenge, mcgrath cup and the league getting equal number of chances to stake a claim for championship.

Alan o connor imo is a hero and will always be and he's service to cork was outstanding and he was a warrior and a leader.
However i was not for he coming back this year as I feel you need pace in the modern game and while he performed the ist day v kerry I would inclined to go with youth next year.
He had a series injury and I wish him nothing but the best in he's recovery i hope the ccb etc give him whatever support he needs in he's recovery as he deserves it.
I just feel cork need to build going forward with youth where possible.

Smith614

THE CCB have really shown 2 fingers to a lot of clubs with their shifting around of county finals a week b4 they are to be played. It is a disgrace how they are allowed do this to suit 2 senior football teams who will pull and drag each other all over Pairc ui Rinn again next Sunday. Dripsey, Charleville, Cloughduv & Dungourney should not take this carry on. It seems all clubs are equal but some are more equal than others.

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

THE CCB have really shown 2 fingers to a lot of clubs with their shifting around of county finals a week b4 they are to be played. It is a disgrace how they are allowed do this to suit 2 senior football teams who will pull and drag each other all over Pairc ui Rinn again next Sunday. Dripsey, Charleville, Cloughduv & Dungourney should not take this carry on. It seems all clubs are equal but some are more equal than others.

It's an absolutely joke I totally agree
Have Fermoy lodged an appeal

No doubt it affect players training for weeks with sunday in mind now having to change training this week as the game is brought forward
It is a joke

eigrod

moycullen14 wrote: »

Fair play to you if you can read it. I find it impossible. The lack of punctuation, typos and sheer length of the posts make them unreadable for me. Pity as he seems to have a lot of useful information.

Not being a grammar fascist but surely the point of posting is that people will, well, read your posts. A bit more effort on readability would be great.

I agree. This forum has turned in to the TTM blog and is why I rarely contribute now because it is totally and utterly dominated by 1 poster.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/watson-savours-another-ruthless-milford-triumph/1110048/

thinkstoomuch1

Minor and hurling munster draws Thursday night