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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Just trying to figure out, if he has walked away from the potential new job with the partner law firm does he still get to keep the $20k finders fee for the Sandpiper case & the 20% share at the end?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Just trying to figure out, if he has walked away from the potential new job with the partner law firm does he still get to keep the $20k finders fee for the Sandpiper case & the 20% share at the end?


    He would yeah.

    What's his plan now though? I think the last episode would have been better if he was caught up with Mike and all those other gangsters. They gave him an offer to get involved which he initially turns down but later changes his mind when given a choice between going straight or being slippy jimmy again.

    Instead he is left with nowhere to go. Obviously something will happen with Mike but I think it would have been nice to tie everything up with them beginning to work together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Just trying to figure out, if he has walked away from the potential new job with the partner law firm does he still get to keep the $20k finders fee for the Sandpiper case & the 20% share at the end?

    He sold the case to HHM who then decided to pair with the new company. That company were then planning to hire him, nothing to do with his deal from HHM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    bren2001 wrote: »
    He sold the case to HHM who then decided to pair with the new company. That company were then planning to hire him, nothing to do with his deal from HHM.

    Yeah that's what I understood alright, thanks for confirming. If that's the case, does that mean that in the BB timeline he's potentially still waiting for a multimillion dollar payout? Cases like the Sandpiper one can take many years to settle, can't they? Or does something go awry? Can't wait for next season!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I understood alright, thanks for confirming. If that's the case, does that mean that in the BB timeline he's potentially still waiting for a multimillion dollar payout? Cases like the Sandpiper one can take many years to settle, can't they? Or does something go awry? Can't wait for next season!

    Its 20% of legal fees....don't think it would be multimillion....maybe a few hundred thousand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I understood alright, thanks for confirming. If that's the case, does that mean that in the BB timeline he's potentially still waiting for a multimillion dollar payout? Cases like the Sandpiper one can take many years to settle, can't they? Or does something go awry? Can't wait for next season!

    Those cases can take several years to settle but not that long. As Chuck said, the clients still have to be alive so I assume it is settled by the time BB comes around. He might get 20% or there might be a twist in that, we will have to wait till season 2 to find that one out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    He is not longer Saint Jimmy and in a world where Chuck is God sitting in judgement. As it stands Belize is merely a word used to stand in for B when tired of Bingo.
    The episode proved this is a man who has grown tired of short-order cons, and being a Good Guy. He still has a few wills to tank, maybe a body or two to drop all by himself before we see Saul (who never was that bad at all *).


    * although I'm getting tired of bring Hewl sandwiches, and wish Saul would just own up and be a man about the whole waiting around forever thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 936 ✭✭✭JaseBelleVie


    And thus was born a legend. The King is Dead, Long Live the King.

    Jimmy McGill is now dead and buried. Saul Goodman has now risen. And is there a better rock riff than "Smoke On The Water"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    And thus was born a legend. The King is Dead, Long Live the King.

    Jimmy McGill is now dead and buried. Saul Goodman has now risen. And is there a better rock riff than "Smoke On The Water"?

    Yes..."Crosstown Traffic"
    "Hellhound On My Trail"
    "Road To Nowhere". (keyboards but apt).
    ......to name but three


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Really good final episode.The weight of trying to be a decent guy when he really is as crooked as the day is long has finally been lifted from his shoulders.Saul finally seems happy now.

    It'll be interesting to see will any of the characters apart from Mike be back for the second season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,047 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    need more


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I thought his transformation into "Saul" at the last minute was too sudden. I was curious how Chuck or HMMG would **** him over one last time to turn him over to the darkside. I was let down.

    A decent TV show with a few very good episodes. People saying it is better than Breaking Bad last week are really overreaching.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    :confused:

    He is Saul now, that was the whole point of the last episode.

    i obviously meant his business, obviously


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Ah, I was disappointed in that finale.

    Last episode, Chuck shit all over him and made him out to be a worthless lawyer. He then revisits his old life and found it to be a fun, but ultimately empty existence. He gets the call that could finally propell him to success, thus proving Chuck wrong and he doesn't take it?? Why??

    I really didn't understand his motivations at all by the end of the episode.


  • Registered Users Posts: 49 RobbieHawkins


    Any guesses on when season 2 will begin?

    Also Ernesto reminds me of a young Gustavo


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Ah, I was disappointed in that finale.

    Last episode, Chuck shit all over him and made him out to be a worthless lawyer. He then revisits his old life and found it to be a fun, but ultimately empty existence. He gets the call that could finally propell him to success, thus proving Chuck wrong and he doesn't take it?? Why??

    I really didn't understand his motivations at all by the end of the episode.


    He finally realized at the end of the episode that he is really just a shyster and that is his true calling in life is to be both a conman and a lawyer.He can now have a fun life with a purpose also by setting up his own practice and living by his own rules.

    If he stayed at a reputable firm the stuffiness of it would get to him and he wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to do something dodgy.He's finally realized as well that Chuck was right all along about him and there is no point trying to prove him wrong as he would be living a lie if he did that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    ^ did I just leave the bones of a million quid behind because I wanted to be a good guy. Only to be shafted by my holier-than-thou brother who even my scumbag best pal from the gutter could see through.

    Last million I leave without a loving owner.


    His logic is undefeatable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    He finally realized at the end of the episode that he is really just a shyster and that is his true calling in life is to be both a conman and a lawyer.He can now have a fun life with a purpose also by setting up his own practice and living by his own rules.

    If he stayed at a reputable firm the stuffiness of it would get to him and he wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to do something dodgy.He's finally realized as well that Chuck was right all along about him and there is no point trying to prove him wrong as he would be living a lie if he did that.

    But the fact he was so stung by Chuck's belittlement last week, even having brought his firm such a valuable class action suit, doesn't really tally with what he was chasing this whole season - validation that he was actually a damn good lawyer. I'm just not sure why, when eventually given the chance to show Chuck how wrong he was about him, he threw it away to become Slippin' Saul.

    It was just a complete 360 from the character he's been painted as this whole season and it felt rushed and confused at the end. I'm still looking forward to seeing his transformation in season two, but I still feel this episode didn't explain his motivation well enough right at the very end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    I really enjoyed this first season, there were a few mediocre episodes but I watched them all in two sittings, looking forward to season 2..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Bowlardo


    I really enjoyed the first series...i presume there will be five seasons? Fairly interesting where did this could go


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    But the fact he was so stung by Chuck's belittlement last week, even having brought his firm such a valuable class action suit, doesn't really tally with what he was chasing this whole season - validation that he was actually a damn good lawyer. I'm just not sure why, when eventually given the chance to show Chuck how wrong he was about him, he threw it away to become Slippin' Saul.

    It was just a complete 360 from the character he's been painted as this whole season and it felt rushed and confused at the end. I'm still looking forward to seeing his transformation in season two, but I still feel this episode didn't explain his motivation well enough right at the very end.


    But he proves in the future that he is a very good lawyer just not a very straight laced one.There is no pointing proving Chuck to be wrong because the truth is Chuck was 100% correct about him and he would only be taking the job to prove something that isn't actually true.

    The character he was trying to be all along was a lie so the u turn he has now done is where he should have been all along. He tried to be good as it is human nature to try and be good and keep in with our family but the pretence has been wearing him down and not worth it anymore, as he not going to gain anything from keeping in Chucks good books as Chuck has him worked out.


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    Bowlardo wrote: »
    I really enjoyed the first series...i presume there will be five seasons? Fairly interesting where did this could go

    I wouldn't presume that at this stage! Entirely dependent on its popularity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    But he proves in the future that he is a very good lawyer just not a very straight laced one.There is no pointing proving Chuck to be wrong because the truth is Chuck was 100% correct about him and he would only be taking the job to prove something that isn't actually true.

    The character he was trying to be all along was a lie so the u turn he has now done is where he should have been all along. He tried to be good as it is human nature to try and be good and keep in with our family but the pretence has been wearing him down and not worth it anymore, as he not going to gain anything from keeping in Chucks good books as Chuck has him worked out.

    I guess there's a parallel there with Walt's journey in BB - trying to be the good family guy, but letting the dark side eventually take over.

    I still think the journey felt way too rushed here, though!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    It was a lil underwhelming, but pretty crystal clear Saul was born and also why. Yes he wanted to be a successful lawyer, but between Chuck last week and his old mate this week he decided he wanted to do it his own way, using his lawyer skills and his slipping jimmy skills! The little rub of Marco's ring as he walked towards a straight laced life, and boom! Saul is born.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I guess there's a parallel there with Walt's journey in BB - trying to be the good family guy, but letting the dark side eventually take over.

    I still think the journey felt way too rushed here, though!

    I don't see how it was way too rushed. It was gradually done over the entire series. He starts his life as Slippin' Jimmy who is jailed and almost put down as a sex offender. Chuck steps in and saves him in more way than one. From that point on, Jimmy feels like he is proving himself to Chuck. He gets his law degree, starts to build a reputable business all to impress his brother. Episode 9 showed him that this was never going to happen, he would never earn Chucks approval and that kills him. He goes back home for a few days and has some fun. Its there he realises that he was living his life the way other people wanted him too and not the way that makes him happy. Saul was reborn in Chicago, not in the final scene.


  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Brendan Filone


    As far as the episode, if this was a new show that would be a meh finale but being that we know what he becomes, it was great. He's officially Saul now....the show is about Saul's birth basically....not sure what there is to complain about.

    Oh and he's still wearing the ring in his first appearance in "Breaking Bad":

    ring_zpso5ppido3.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    As far as the episode, if this was a new show that would be a meh finale but being that we know what he becomes, it was great. He's officially Saul now....the show is about Saul's birth basically....not sure what there is to complain about.

    Oh and he's still wearing the ring in his first appearance in "Breaking Bad":

    ....you'd make an easy mark:cool:. He has a drawer full of signet rings / passports/ Rolex / and a handbag for the lady. If the original was ever worth a few bob, it's long pawned.

    MEMO: Never buy second hand jewellery at funeral of known con artist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A little bit underwhelming as a series finale. But as a whole, the first series was pretty excellent.
    They handled the death of the fat guy badly though. They signaled his heart attack from the word go. It would have been much better if he had just died, without all the signifying lead up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Disappointing ending to a great first season, thought
    the death of Marco
    was very cheesy.
    Had low expectations coming in but was hugely impressed, much better first season than BB. Really looking forward to season 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    Good episode, disappointing as a finale. Did I hear Jimmy correctly in the bingo hall - his ex wife (Kim?) cheated on him with Chuck?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Thought quality-wise it was a huge stepdown from the the momentum it gained in the last few episodes but more than enough in the first series to say it will hit similar heights to BB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Agree with those who say slightly underwhelming for a season finale.

    I wonder what happens with the Sand Piper case eventually? We can safely assume Saul never gets rich of it.

    Enjoyed the coin scam.

    Why he would turn down the chance of a partnership is a little bewildering to me. Okay, so he regrets not keeping the money, but why on earth turn down such a position as a result? Its not like he has a readymade mob family, with better pay, to work for right now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    I really enjoyed it. He could have gone in and done the sensible thing, but then doing the sensible and good thing has given him zilch. He still ended up getting screwed over. I think the journey back to slippin Jimmy was a little reminder of what he can be like, after the last few EPs showing him all nice and good. Best of all he let Mike in on his ambitions! Sets it all up nicely I think :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    noodler wrote: »
    Why he would turn down the chance of a partnership is a little bewildering to me. Okay, so he regrets not keeping the money, but why on earth turn down such a position as a result? Its not like he has a readymade mob family, with better pay, to work for right now?

    Because deep down Jimmy's little more than a scam artist and he knows it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Because deep down Jimmy's little more than a scam artist and he knows it.

    Thats a bit too broad strokes generalistic to be an answer for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    noodler wrote: »

    Why he would turn down the chance of a partnership is a little bewildering to me. Okay, so he regrets not keeping the money, but why on earth turn down such a position as a result? Its not like he has a readymade mob family, with better pay, to work for right now?

    Because he has no interest whatsoever in such a position deep down. He enjoys the shady lifestyle and his trip back home reminded him of that. I think he also believes that he can make more money in the long run being dodgy, at least thats what I took from his reference to the 1.6 million he could have taken with Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Because deep down Jimmy's little more than a scam artist and he knows it.
    noodler wrote: »
    Thats a bit too broad strokes generalistic to be an answer for me.

    He's 'Slippin' Jimmy' and always will be. To me that was the point of the last episode. He easily returns to his previous scamming lifestyle, because that's who he is. He's not a partner in a legitimate law firm, he's a chancer.

    A chancer that's going to now use the law as a method for his scams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Because he has no interest whatsoever in such a position deep down. He enjoys the shady lifestyle and his trip back home reminded him of that. I think he also believes that he can make more money in the long run being dodgy, at least thats what I took from his reference to the 1.6 million he could have taken with Mike.

    But 'Deep down' he worked his ass off to get a degree, pass the bar, work in elder law, discover the class action suit etc - Very difficult to argue he has no interest in the position deep down.

    We are supposed to believe that Chuck's betrayal has pushed him over the edge but it seems confusing that he has a chance of everything he worked so hard for with the rival firm and is bottling it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Tony EH wrote: »
    He's 'Slippin' Jimmy' and always will be. To me that was the point of the last episode. He easily returns to his previous scamming lifestyle, because that's who he is. He's not a partner in a legitimate law firm, he's a chancer.

    A chancer that's going to now use the law as a method for his scams.

    I wish people would stop quoting the bitter ramblings of Chuck and using "cos he's Slippin Jimmy' as a catch-all explanation!

    Chuck's motivations for saying it were bitter and twisted.

    It would be as easy to say that he is a reformed character whose betrayal by his brother ultimately knocked him back into a a shady life.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    I don't get why people are having such difficulty understanding the path he took.

    First, yes, the slipping Jimmy, not just cos of Chuck, but cos of who he is. We have seen it from the word go. He's hardly straight laced! This last episode just nailed it home, his lil week with Marco reliving the GOOD TIMES!

    Secondly, he is not throwing all that hard work away. He is merely combining it with his other lifestyle. We all know he goes on to be Saul, so he utilizes the law stuff and ties it in with his shady side.

    Finally, it's like he has walked away from a billion dollar fee the way some of you are reacting. He had a possible job with this other firm, there was still loads of work ahead of him to even get the job, brown nosing, etc. It was not a done deal.

    I didn't think it could be any clearer and much more obvious. Were we all watching the same 10 episodes?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    noodler wrote: »
    I wish people would stop quoting the bitter ramblings of Chuck and using "cos he's Slippin Jimmy' as a catch-all explanation!

    Chuck's motivations for saying it were bitter and twisted.

    It would be as easy to see that he is a reformed character whose betrayal by his brother ultimately knocked him back into a a shady life.

    But, it's not "the bitter ramblings of Chuck", it's the script and the character. Jimmy McGill is a scammer. A scammer who tried to break into something other than being a small time scammer, but a scammer nonetheless.

    His old folks home schtick wasn't entered into out of the goodness of his heart, it was a get rich quick scam, where he stood to benefit greatly.

    Chucks betrayal simply greased the wheels for Jimmy to, ahem, slip back into his old ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    noodler wrote: »
    But 'Deep down' he worked his ass off to get a degree, pass the bar, work in elder law, discover the class action suit etc - Very difficult to argue he has no interest in the position deep down.

    All of which he did to prove himself to Chuck as much as anything else. Note the fact he says 'he's my brother' a few times during his trip home: despite Chuck's 'betrayal' he still looks up to the guy. Plus as someone else just pointed out he's not turning his back on being a lawyer, he's simply turning his back on being a straight laced one.
    We are supposed to believe that Chuck's betrayal has pushed him over the edge but it seems confusing that he has a chance of everything he worked so hard for with the rival firm and is bottling it.

    Which there could be a number of reasons for: 1) Chucks betrayal hit him harder than some people are allowing for; 2) He thinks he can earn more money by being a dodgy lawyer. 3) Despite his hard work he never truly wanted to go down that path or 4), and I'd say the most likely: Some combination of the above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Finally, it's like he has walked away from a billion dollar fee the way some of you are reacting. He had a possible job with this other firm, there was still loads of work ahead of him to even get the job, brown nosing, etc. It was not a done deal.

    They wanted him though, he'd be working on the case he brought. There was every chance he would get it.

    What exactly is he giving it up for? He has absolutely nothing on the side apart from the Elder Law business. If there was a shady mobster on the sidelines offering 100,000 a year then I would understand the confliction but as it is, he is using throwing away 800k as justification for throwing away the job he has worked so hard for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    noodler wrote: »
    They wanted him though, he'd be working on the case he brought. There was every chance he would get it.

    What exactly is he giving it up for? He has absolutely nothing on the side apart from the Elder Law business. If there was a shady mobster on the sidelines offering 100,000 a year then I would understand the confliction but as it is, he is using throwing away 800k as justification for throwing away the job he has worked so hard for.

    He had a tip that they were interested. Kim even mentioned to turn up at the court as "it would look good", hinting it was not by any means a sealed deal. His big act as he was walking towards the door trying to make a great impression highlighting the fact that he was gonna have to put on a show and perhaps be somebody he really isn't.

    Yikes, he is not giving it up for Elder law, he is giving it up to become SAUL GOODMAN!! Jaysus! He no longer wants to be mr good guy impressing Chuck. It's **** Chuck, hello Saul. Really?!?!!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    All we need to know about Jimmy McGill is that he's not even genuine enough to trade under his own name for gods sake. He uses a Jewish name to sound more authentic!

    Jimmy is the epitome of a shyster lawyer. He's Lionel Hutz made flesh.

    I think some people are blinded by the fact that he's the star of the show and that he's a rounded character and not some mustache twirling Vaudevillian cutout.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Tony EH wrote: »
    But, it's not "the bitter ramblings of Chuck", it's the script and the character. Jimmy McGill is a scammer. A scammer who tried to break into something other than being a small time scammer, but a scammer nonetheless.

    His old folks home schtick wasn't entered into out of the goodness of his heart, it was a get rich quick scam, where he stood to benefit greatly.


    Chucks betrayal simply greased the wheels for Jimmy to, ahem, slip back into his old ways.

    He didn't scam the old folks. He may start now. He was drafting wills for pocket money. He genuinely did spot a hustle going on and worked hard to bring it down legitimately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Some of you seem to be judging him based on his exploits in BB which kind of precludes any discussion of this series!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    He didn't scam the old folks. He may start now. He was drafting wills for pocket money. He genuinely did spot a hustle going on and worked hard to bring it down legitimately.

    I'm not saying he was actually scamming the old folks, but the situation was a get rich quick scam, where he stood to benefit hugely, regardless of the consequences.

    There's obviously a softer side to Jimmy and that can be seen in some of his dealings with the OAPs.

    But, he's a dodgy a as 3 Bob note.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    Oh man................slipping Jimmy, how many more times do we have to say it. It has nothing to do with BB! Watch back the 10 episodes, there are endless clear indications of his character being flawed....wanting to CROSS THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINES! Ah jaysus I give up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Exactly.

    You don't even have to watch 'Breaking Bad' to see Jimmy McGill for what he is.

    That last episode was important. It showed that Jimmy is always one step away from what he came from and can always move (I won't say slip) back over the line.

    That last ep could have been about anything really, but it showed Jimmy for who he really is and why he becomes who he does.


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