The Angelus on RTE

The_Banker · 05-03-2015 3:32pm

while we are getting rid of the angelus can we also get rid of all the bloody crosses off our mountains?

I doubt any of um have planning permission.

SpaceTime · 05-03-2015 3:36pm

They're probably technically classified as wind turbines thus are exempt.

jonasjones · 05-03-2015 4:05pm

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not my tradition and should not be forced on you by a broadcaster. If you want to observe a religious event at 12:00 and 18:00 then that's your own business.
People complain about smoking and drinking restrictions are Nanny state but this is worse in my opinion.

Big difference. Smoking and drinking have implications on health. As long as taxes are used to fund hospitals and other health services when you drink/smoke it has an indirect impact on other people in the form of taxes. Second hand smoking has potential direct impact on other peoples' health. The Angelus really doesn't impact anyone in any meaningful way. The Angelus is avoidable, the effects of drink and smoking are generally not.

I don't have strong feelings for or against the Angelus but, as with many things online, I sense this is an argument for the sake of an argument...

Zen65 · 05-03-2015 6:03pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

They're probably technically classified as wind turbines thus are exempt.

Wind turbines are not exempt from Planning Permission!

K4t · 05-03-2015 6:55pm

hallo dare wrote: »

I don't mind it, sure it's doing no harm for all of 60 seconds.
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Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I actually don't mind it. It's a bit quirky almost like a tradition at this stage.

jimgoose wrote: »

It's quaint and quirky, and does no harm. Leave it, I say.

As convincing and compelling as these arguments may be. . . . .it still does not make it right for the angelus to be broadcast on national television.

If the angelus is going to remain then there should also be a minute for all other religions; Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc. But of course many Irish Catholics and others don't actually believe in freedom of religion, merely freedom of their own religion.

murpho999 · 05-03-2015 7:07pm

jonasjones wrote: »

Big difference. Smoking and drinking have implications on health. As long as taxes are used to fund hospitals and other health services when you drink/smoke it has an indirect impact on other people in the form of taxes. Second hand smoking has potential direct impact on other peoples' health. The Angelus really doesn't impact anyone in any meaningful way. The Angelus is avoidable, the effects of drink and smoking are generally not.

I don't have strong feelings for or against the Angelus but, as with many things online, I sense this is an argument for the sake of an argument...

Just because something is avoidable, does not make it right or that it should happen.

OldRio · 05-03-2015 7:14pm

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If the angelus is going to remain then there should also be a minute for all other religions; Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc. But of course many Irish Catholics and others don't actually believe in freedom of religion, merely freedom of their own religion.[/QUOTE]

But why? I wouldn't expect the Angelus in any other country.

todders · 05-03-2015 7:18pm

ted1 wrote: »

Is it supposed to be a secular state?

If they remove it, How will the full the extra minute before the six one news ?

Basic grammar lessons?

wendell borton · 05-03-2015 7:46pm

I don't consider myself a catholic but also don't think it should go. Yes there's lots of other religions now but this country has been Christian for over a thousand years which has deeply influenced the culture of this country for better or worse.

K4t · 05-03-2015 8:17pm

wendell borton wrote: »

I don't consider myself a catholic but also don't think it should go. Yes there's lots of other religions now but this country has been Christian for over a thousand years which has deeply influenced the culture of this country for better or worse.

I hope you don't consider yourself a believer in secularism either.

To Elland Back · 05-03-2015 8:26pm

BMJD wrote: »

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!

Nothing but feckin repeats on RTE

05-03-2015 8:30pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

..........even when one spouse is abusive as divorce is a 'sin'.

Watch the anti-Catholic brigade are rolling into town!!

The_Valeyard · 05-03-2015 8:31pm

BMJD wrote: »

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

Bong

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!

No, I am not. I was told there are 18 Bongs!!! You are short a few bongs and ripping people off!!!!

catallus · 05-03-2015 8:37pm

OldRio wrote: »

But why? I wouldn't expect the Angelus in any other country.

With the marvellous modern God-given miracles of portable music players one can delight in the Angelus anyplace in the whole of creation at the time of one's choosing.

mikom · 05-03-2015 8:40pm

catallus wrote: »

With the marvellous modern God-given miracles of portable music players one can delight in the Angelus anyplace in the whole of creation at the time of one's choosing.

A hand bell has been around for ages.......

catallus · 05-03-2015 8:43pm

mikom wrote: »

A hand bell has been around for ages.......

Ha! You think just anyone can bang out an Angelus?

Ah, sweet innocence

I bet you couldn't do one!

K4t · 05-03-2015 9:00pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

Watch the anti-Catholic brigade are rolling into town!!

I find these kind of comments intriguing, and somewhat scary; they imply that there is something wrong or strange about being anti-Catholic and anti-all of the horrible beliefs it promotes. Now you will say, not all Catholics believe everything written in the Bible, and that is fine. And I have nothing against a person's right to hold religious belief(s), it's a free country thank God. But while I could understand the sentiment you express being expressed if perhaps there was a minute silence in support of Atheism before the RTE news, to find it on a thread about the angelus, where the Catholic brigade's beliefs are enforced on others by the state, is baffling, but I suppose not all that surprising.

catallus · 05-03-2015 9:04pm

K4t wrote: »

I find..........they imply that there is something wrong or strange about being anti-Catholic and anti-all of the horrible beliefs it promotes...

There is something wrong and strange about holding such despicable attitudes!

suicide_circus · 05-03-2015 9:33pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No, I am not. I was told there are 18 Bongs!!!

My kinda party

miss tickle · 05-03-2015 11:30pm

K4t wrote: »

As convincing and compelling as these arguments may be. . . . .it still does not make it right for the angelus to be broadcast on national television.

If the angelus is going to remain then there should also be a minute for all other religions; Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc. But of course many Irish Catholics and others don't actually believe in freedom of religion, merely freedom of their own religion.

Do we have to lose all our traditions. I don't watch RTE anymore, but I remember the angelus being a minute of quiet reflection. Anyone watching RTE at that time can take a moment of quiet reflection if they so wish, or change channel.

conorh91 · 05-03-2015 11:40pm

It's one minute of reflection.

The anti-Angelus brigade might have had a point when it was explicitly Catholic, but it's now evolved.

I love the one that features the man on the trawler. Very meditative. Good for a bit of the oul mindfulness.

jimgoose · 05-03-2015 11:42pm

conorh91 wrote: »

It's one minute of reflection.

The anti-Angelus brigade might have had a point when it was explicitly Catholic, but it's now evolved.

I love the one that features the man on the trawler. Very meditative. Good for a bit of the oul mindfulness.

"You might be a priest hi, but they're keeping my prayer on file - in a file cyaaabinet!"

Letree · 05-03-2015 11:45pm

Its not a minute of quiet reflection it is a minute of pure racket.

CJ Haughey · 05-03-2015 11:47pm

Alot of old couples do a bit of riding during it, in on the ding and out on the dong.

JupiterKid · 05-03-2015 11:55pm

It's incredible to think that the Angelus is still broadcast on RTE in the year 2015. Back in the 90s I thought its days were (rightly) numbered. How wrong I was.

The Golden Miller · 06-03-2015 12:20am

The Angelus is fine by me if it continues to annoy this crowd who spend most of their day looking for any excuse to bash the Catholic Church, and who look down their nose at an older generation, many of whom hold their faith dear to them, as if they are more enlightened or "see through the church". So keep it rolling at 18 hundred hours if it continues to p!ss these people off

06-03-2015 12:25am

What about that Christmas Eh ? I cant go into work for 2 weeks during this time.

crockholm · 06-03-2015 12:49am

I could have more respect for the people behind the anti-Irish sentiment in past Magazines like "Punch",at least they were quite open about their prejudices, whereas,"The Guardian" being "The Guardian" have to resort to more subtle and less obvious ways of keeping the anti-Irish and anti-popery torches lit.

KKkitty · 06-03-2015 12:53am

Leave it be. It's the only minute I can stare into space during the day.

The Golden Miller · 06-03-2015 12:53am

It must annoy the anti-Catholic brigade, that they are infact Catholics themselves. I don't particularly give a toss about religion, and am non-practicing, but I was still christened, so am still a Catholic at the end of the day whether I like it or not. Just like 95% of this country. It's only a minute at 6 anyway, so who cares? Get out more if that's all you have to worry about. As long as this country is predominantly Catholic, there will always be some Catholic tradition in it whether people like it or not

mg1982 · 06-03-2015 3:07am

The Golden Miller wrote: »

It must annoy the anti-Catholic brigade, that they are infact Catholics themselves. I don't particularly give a toss about religion, and am non-practicing, but I was still christened, so am still a Catholic at the end of the day whether I like it or not. Just like 95% of this country. It's only a minute at 6 anyway, so who cares? Get out more if that's all you have to worry about. As long as this country is predominantly Catholic, there will always be some Catholic tradition in it whether people like it or not

Actually its more like 80 percent who were raised catholic, and if you take into account practicing its 35 or 40 percent in this country. I say myself get the damn thing off the air, we are the only country in europe who plays the angelus on the national broadcaster along with malta or someone. If people want to get there rosary beads out at 6 every evening then go ahead but get it off RTE.

Jamsiek · 06-03-2015 7:29am

RobertKK wrote: »

18 bongs.
Three sets of three
Then one set of six.

We only had one bong in our house, I don't smoke as much anymore

TwoShedsJackson · 06-03-2015 7:59am

They should have a minute of someone repeating 'lumping people who don't think like you into a 'brigade' is one of the laziest debating tactics known' again and again.

06-03-2015 10:29am

K4t wrote: »

I find these kind of comments intriguing, and somewhat scary; they imply that there is something wrong or strange about being anti-Catholic

Of course there is something wrong with being anti-Catholic from the perspective of a catholic person as it is an attack on Catholic people and their beliefs and pokes fun and mocks things that are important to them.

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The Angelus is fine by me if it continues to annoy this crowd who spend most of their day looking for any excuse to bash the Catholic Church

While I believe that the angelus should never be stopped on RTE for religious reasons, it is a nice bonus that it annoys the anti-Catholic brigade so much.

drumswan · 06-03-2015 10:37am

I see the pro-kiddie fiddler brigade have arrived

Mod: Banned

Shenshen · 06-03-2015 10:39am

Really? That's the level people want to debate this topic on?

"Kiddie-fiddlers" vs. "We'll keep the Angelus just to annoy all those who don't like it"?

kingchess · 06-03-2015 10:39am

CJ Haughey wrote: »

Alot of old couples do a bit of riding during it, in on the ding and out on the dong.

Very true,my 93 year old aunt and uncle used to to that once a week,She told my sister all about at the funeral- reckoned her husband would still be alive if that f.....ing ice cream van had called into the estate 5 minutes later,very bitter about it,

Eugene Norman · 06-03-2015 10:47am

murpho999 wrote: »

No, it has had its day and has no place in the national broadcaster of what is supposed to be a secular state.

It isn't supposed to be that, though. That would need a constitutional change

06-03-2015 11:03am

drumswan wrote: »

I see the pro-kiddie fiddler brigade have arrived

That really is a terrible terrible attempt at a come back. trying to tar the vast majority with the sins of the few. You would almost think no one ever abused children except priests the way some carry on.

Rabid Merlot · 06-03-2015 11:08am

It's surely on it's last legs as an institution.
Holy hour disappeared years ago.
Good Friday no drinking is apparently being abolished next year.

It takes time for these archaic traditions to die out.
Only 60 odd years ago Dev was kissing John Charles McQuaid's ring remember.

Going Strong · 06-03-2015 12:25pm

crockholm wrote: »

I could have more respect for the people behind the anti-Irish sentiment in past Magazines like "Punch",at least they were quite open about their prejudices, whereas,"The Guardian" being "The Guardian" have to resort to more subtle and less obvious ways of keeping the anti-Irish and anti-popery torches lit.

It's also depressingly obvious in the BTL comments on CiF how many gobsh*tes know very little about Ireland other than outdated and hackneyed stereotypes but it never stops them getting an airing whenever this country gets a mention.

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 12:27pm

meh.

If given the choice I would get rid of it but I dont really care, there are more pressing issues to deal with and this would have a bishop running announcing to the world how they are being persecuted and next they'll be sent to camps as usual when they arent given special treatment.

SpaceTime · 06-03-2015 12:35pm

What it comes down to is a free prime time advert worth a hell of a lot of money ahead of some of the most watched programmes in the country.

That's just RTE using public money to promote a de facto state religion. The constitution changed in the 1970s and no longer mentions the Catholic Church having a special place. So, perhaps RTE should catch up!

Tell me how · 06-03-2015 12:53pm

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not my tradition and should not be forced on you by a broadcaster. If you want to observe a religious event at 12:00 and 18:00 then that's your own business.
People complain about smoking and drinking restrictions are Nanny state but this is worse in my opinion.

This is worse than smoking or Drinking? Are you for being serious?

Is the mute/off button not working on your TV? Are you saying that throughout the day this is the only time that you hear something on television or radio which you do not like?

I detest cheesy game shows but I find if I don't watch them they don't bother me.

Tarzana2 · 06-03-2015 12:58pm

Sebastian Famous Ram wrote: »

Of course there is something wrong with being anti-Catholic from the perspective of a catholic person as it is an attack on Catholic people and their beliefs and pokes fun and mocks things that are important to them.

Why would any Catholic secure in their beliefs care? Why the tetchiness?

AndyBoBandy · 06-03-2015 1:02pm

ted1 wrote: »

If they remove it, How will the full the extra minute before the six one news ?

How about they give that minute to an up and coming moviemaker/storyteller every day and let them express their creativity.

SpaceTime · 06-03-2015 1:29pm

I'd say it comes down to RTE being terrified of rocking the boat and being stuck in a time-warp back to 1961.

conorhal · 06-03-2015 1:38pm

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Why would any Catholic secure in their beliefs care? Why the tetchiness?

One could say the same of the militant athiest crowd, no?

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 1:42pm

conorhal wrote: »

One could say the same of the militant athiest crowd, no?

Which crowd of them are the militant ones?

Jamsiek · 06-03-2015 1:44pm

Rabid Merlot wrote: »

Good Friday no drinking is apparently being abolished next year.

Hadn't heard that but it's long overdue

Rabid Merlot wrote: »

Only 60 odd years ago Dev was kissing John Charles McQuaid's ring remember.

I had to read that twice

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