The Angelus on RTE

Kermit.de.frog

Was reading an article on the upcoming marriage equality referendum in the Guardian newspaper - biased on that issue of course - but came across this line:

This is, after all, a country where the national broadcaster, RTE, still broadcasts the Angelus twice a day.

I actually don't mind it. It's a bit quirky almost like a tradition at this stage and I don't see the harm in it. Also it gives the chance to flick over to the BBC for the headlines there before switching back.

Keep it I say.

murpho999

No, it has had its day and has no place in the national broadcaster of what is supposed to be a secular state.

ted1

murpho999 wrote: »

No, it has had its day and has no place in the national broadcaster of what is supposed to be a secular state.

Is it supposed to be a secular state?

If they remove it, How will the full the extra minute before the six one news ?

hallo dare

I don't mind it, sure it's doing no harm for all of 60 seconds.

Plus, we wouldn't be able to call the news 6 1 if we got rid of it.

cml387

ted1 wrote: »

Is it supposed to be a secular state?

If they remove it, How will the full the extra minute before the six one news ?

How about a kitten playing with a ball of wool. Or a potter's wheel.

Trent Houseboat

Aural poison. I have to mute the TV when it comes on.

jimgoose

It's quaint and quirky, and does no harm. Leave it, I say. We don't really need another minute of Dobbo and the Series T-X. :pac:

Valetta

murpho999 wrote: »

No, it has had its day and has no place in the national broadcaster of what is supposed to be a secular state.

When did this become official policy?

kylith

The only good that the Angelus ever did is serve as my 'dinner's ready' alarm when I was a child. But since that was broadcast from a church I see no reason why the Angelus should be played by our national broadcaster.

Soups123

murpho999 wrote: »

No, it has had its day and has no place in the national broadcaster of what is supposed to be a secular state.

You shouldnt have to give up all your traditions because you are a secular state.

I'm all for keeping it for nostalgias sake

mikom

Same difference.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94YvrgIbJA8

looksee

Play the angelus but defuse it with pics of kittens and dolphins?

It used to annoy me but its now got to the stage of being like religious buildings around the place, interesting pieces of architecture that the cities would be poorer without.

Alf Veedersane

I find a lot of the ads on de telly more annoying than the Angelus.

jayo26

I'm not in anyway religious but I think it would be a disgrace to get rid of it. My mother acknowledges it every evening as did my grand mother and she use to say her rosary before bed every night as they do but who has any right to say we should take away a very tradition of our state going back decades even if we don't acknowledged it I'm sure there is alot of folk like my mother and other members of our family that use the moment for whatever they do. I know our country is multi cultural these days and I have nothing against that I have plenty of friends from different religions but if we went over to certain countries that have strong beliefs and traditions we would be expected to respect them and in some cases I you don't they are serious consequences. I'm not saying we should be like that but we should respect traditions of our country that our former generations fought hard to build.

murpho999

Soups123 wrote: »

You shouldnt have to give up all your traditions because you are a secular state.

I'm all for keeping it for nostalgias sake

It's not my tradition and should not be forced on you by a broadcaster. If you want to observe a religious event at 12:00 and 18:00 then that's your own business.
People complain about smoking and drinking restrictions are Nanny state but this is worse in my opinion.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyEmiIp6U8

Shenshen

I don't watch RTE all that often, so I don't really care what they play for fillers.
German TV used to have several-minute-long clips of kittens, and walrusses, to play whenever they needed to fill a gap. Whatever suits.

StewartGriffin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Keep it I say.

Who is getting rid of it? Or are you just reacting to the Guardian article?

Kermit.de.frog

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not my tradition and should not be forced on you by a broadcaster.

It's not forced on you. You can watch something else. Nanny statism would be taking it away, not keeping it imo.

murpho999

Valetta wrote: »

When did this become official policy?

The church is separate from the state and that makes a state secular.

Cuban Pete

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's not forced on you. You can watch something else. Nanny statism would be taking it away, not keeping it imo.

Okay then, how about adding the Adhan? Since you can just change it when it comes on, it shouldn't bother you, right?

_Brian

Dont watch live TV anymore so didn't realise it was still on..
No logical reason it should be there anymore..

Soups123

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not my tradition and should not be forced on you by a broadcaster. If you want to observe a religious event at 12:00 and 18:00 then that's your own business.
People complain about smoking and drinking restrictions are Nanny state but this is worse in my opinion.

But its not forced like every other station you choose what you watch or take notice off. Its a programme choice like everything esle.

If they forced you to watch it so that you could see the news then it would be forced.

kylith

jayo26 wrote: »

I'm not in anyway religious but I think it would be a disgrace to get rid of it. My mother acknowledges it every evening as did my grand mother and she use to say her rosary before bed every night as they do but who has any right to say we should take away a very tradition of our state going back decades even if we don't acknowledged it I'm sure there is alot of folk like my mother and other members of our family that use the moment for whatever they do. I know our country is multi cultural these days and I have nothing against that I have plenty of friends from different religions but if we went over to certain countries that have strong beliefs and traditions we would be expected to respect them and in some cases I you don't they are serious consequences. I'm not saying we should be like that but we should respect traditions of our country that our former generations fought hard to build.

Your mum and gran would hardly have been unable to pray if the Angelus wasn't broadcast though.


The thing about the Angelus in a multicultural state is this: Everyone has to pay their TV licence, regardless of religious affiliation. The TV licence funds RTE. RTE is using the money of non-Christians to broadcast a Christian call to prayer. This is unfair; the Muslim community would have just as much right to demand that their calls to prayer also be broadcast as they fund RTE too. Therefore unless we want the state broadcaster to broadcast the call to prayer of every religion present in the country in the name of equality the only fair thing to do is to remove it.

They could broadcast 60 seconds of silence or relaxing music as a Time of Reflection instead.

Kermit.de.frog

Cuban Pete wrote: »

Okay then, how about adding the Adhan? Since you can just change it when it comes on, it shouldn't bother you, right?

Why would it bother me? If there is an audience for it by all means. Doesn't take much effort to change the channel.

mikom

jayo26 wrote: »

but who has any right to say we should take away a very tradition of our state going back decades even if we don't acknowledged it I'm sure there is alot of folk like my mother and other members of our family that use the moment for whatever they do. I know our country is multi cultural these days and I have nothing against that I have plenty of friends from different religions but if we went over to certain countries that have strong beliefs and traditions we would be expected to respect them and in some cases I you don't they are serious consequences. I'm not saying we should be like that but we should respect traditions of our country that our former generations fought hard to build.

I'm looking forward to the introduction of the 1 minute of Hare coursing footage with accompanying fiddle music to begin the 9 o'clock news.........

murpho999

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's not forced on you. You can watch something else. Nanny statism would be taking it away, not keeping it imo.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why would it bother me? If there is an audience for it by all means. Doesn't take much effort to change the channel.

Are these the best you can come up with?

Change the channel or watch something else for one minute.

Ignore the fact that a state broadcaster promoting a religion and that is not something it should be doing.
It's not something that is done in other European countries and is not right in my opinion.

The_Valeyard

*Atheist rabble force* ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!



Keep it id say, nothing wrong with a bit of tradition, and I get to catch the headlines on Newstalk before I switch over to RTE

RobertKK

I pity the desperately poor people who can only afford one TV station.

Baggy Trousers

I automatically change the channel on the radio when it comes on. I wonder do RTE Radio 1 ratings drop after 12.

cml387

Who said it was a Christian thing? It's not anymore. It's just a minute for private reflection.
If more people took a moments's reflection before posting in AH we'd all be better off.

There,I've said it.

Lenin Skynard

I like it. Kinda for nostalgic reasons but I'm so used to it now that when it comes on, it switches me into chillout mode.

I think it's meant to be a moment of collective reflection at the end of the working day which is a nice thing.

Kermit.de.frog

The idea it is forced on people is ridiculous. The Late Late Show is on religiously every Friday. I can't stand it and I find it offensively bad. I think it should be banned.

NIMAN

Its a slightly backward thing to still have on the TV and radio imho.

But then again if we get rid, how will those folk know its time to stare into the distance aimlessly?

Quick quiz question, without listening to it, how many 'bongs' do you think there are?

padd b1975

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Aural poison. I have to mute the TV when it comes on.

^^^^^ Diddums....

Boulevardier

I don't mind it, just as I work in a state-run institution that still has a religious picture in 1 of the corridors.

jimgoose

murpho999 wrote: »

Are these the best you can come up with?

Change the channel or watch something else for one minute.

Ignore the fact that a state broadcaster promoting a religion and that is not something it should be doing.
It's not something that is done in other European countries and is not right in my opinion.

In all fairness it's hard to say what religion exactly it actively promotes, the accompanying film these days comprising all kinds of Multicultural types gazing out office windows, working in shops, arsing around in the park, and so forth. I suppose the bells are a bit religiousy right enough, but what harm. We likes De Bells A' Shandon down here, biy.

murpho999

jimgoose wrote: »

In all fairness it's hard to say what religion exactly it actively promotes, the accompanying film these days comprising all kinds of Multicultural types gazing out office windows, working in shops, arsing around in the park, and so forth. I suppose the bells are a bit religiousy right enough, but what harm. We likes De Bells A' Shandon down here, biy.

It's broadcast with the soundtrack of a church bell, what else can it be?

NIMAN

You have to remember we live in a country where a 10ft high metal structure is allowed at the side of the road with a picture of Jesus, with the words "Jesus, I trust in you".

I pass it daily.

For me its a danger at the side of the road, someone could put their car through it easily enough.

Was any authority asked for permission before this was cemented into the ground? I doubt it very much.

Duggy747

This is my kind of Angelus

Lapin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Was reading an article on the upcoming marriage equality referendum in the Guardian newspaper.....

Is that in today's Guardian OP ?

The_Valeyard

murpho999 wrote: »

It's broadcast with the soundtrack of a church bell, what else can it be?

Bell of a synagogue

Buddhist temple

The Backwards Man

I can put up with it, it doesn't annoy me too much, don't see the need for it but it will gone in a few years anyway.

I wonder to the Guardian use the addendum 'remember this is a country where you can't buy a Panadol or a banana on a Sunday afternoon' when writing about Germany/France/Norway/Switzerland etc?

Baggy Trousers

This thread comes up a lot including but far from limited to the following;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79549198

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78422535

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52594818

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83807811

jester77

hallo dare wrote: »

Plus, we wouldn't be able to call the news 6 1 if we got rid of it.

Sure we would, just put on a few extra ads for that minute, extra revenue for RTE to pay those fat salaries.

Mesrine65

Bong...bong...bong...

The 6 o'clock daily call to weed

mikom

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I wonder to the Guardian use the addendum 'remember this is a country where you can't buy a Panadol or a banana on a Sunday afternoon' when writing about Germany/France/Norway/Switzerland etc?

Depends......... Does a Panadol or a banana relate to same sex marriage like religion does?

Eutow

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I can put up with it, it doesn't annoy me too much, don't see the need for it but it will gone in a few years anyway.

I wonder to the Guardian use the addendum 'remember this is a country where you can't buy a Panadol or a banana on a Sunday afternoon' when writing about Germany/France/Norway/Switzerland etc?

A patronising comment from the Guardian alright, but that comes from a country that has banned face-sitting and spanking.

NIMAN wrote: »

Quick quiz question, without listening to it, how many 'bongs' do you think there are?

30 bongs, about a bong every 2 seconds?

Going Strong

I'm an atheist yet always wanted to feature in The Angelus. I've spent years practising my "Staring off into the middle distance in quiet contemplation" look and everything. Don't any of you feckers deny me my dream!

NIMAN

Not 30 bongs, way too high.

belacqua_

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Was reading an article on the upcoming marriage equality referendum in the Guardian newspaper - biased on that issue of course - but came across this line:



I actually don't mind it. It's a bit quirky almost like a tradition at this stage and I don't see the harm in it. Also it gives the chance to flick over to the BBC for the headlines there before switching back.

Keep it I say.

The Guardian would be my preferred daily paper, but it's a bit rich for a British newspaper to have a go at RTE's religious programming. The BBC and its local station in Ireland have a 'thought for the day' slot every day. Songs of Praise anyone? And don't geet me started on their Christian overload each Sunday on Radio 3 & 4.