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When did the Simpsons stop being good?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    ROAAAR wrote: »
    Friends is a another show that got absolutely terrible. Only the very early episodes do I find it entertaining. It's hard to see why people hold it in such high regard really. It's not the greatest writing to be fair.

    After the monkey left is when friends got ****.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 Bhopkov


    ROAAAR wrote: »
    Friends is a another show that got absolutely terrible. Only the very early episodes do I find it entertaining. It's hard to see why people hold it in such high regard really. It's not the greatest writing to be fair.

    Friends got sh1t in series 5. The first 4 series are brilliant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭6781


    In the mid to late 90s not sure what season that would be.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 Bhopkov


    New episode on now. Decided to give it a chance. It's awful so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Bhopkov wrote: »
    New episode on now. Decided to give it a chance. It's awful so far.

    Ah it wasn't that bad. Better than episode 1 anyway.

    "Well I had a mimosa for brunch two and a half years ago".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    When did it all go wrong?

    When the pope said they were Catholic. They just seemed to get lazy after that. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    Sure Conan obrien has stated himself his input was minimal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    GerB40 wrote: »
    Only Fool's and Horses doesn't count because it's the greatest sitcom of all time.

    No shut up a second and stop typing while I type. Only Fools & Horses was good for the first few seasons but when they got into the Yuppie stuff and Rodney with Cassandra it took a huge nose dive in quality and the dead horse was kicked repeatedly for another decade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    After the monkey left is when friends got ****.

    I think it went shiit after Chandler quit smoking


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Baked.noodle


    I haven't watched every episode of The Simpsons but I used to enjoy it years ago. I would have to agree it's terrible now. I think the big difference is there used to be stories which covered the entire episode, and developed the wider themes that built a somewhat believable world. When I watch it now it's mostly one liner gags and poor writing, and there isn't much story to pull you in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    I think part of the problem is that the celebrity guests are portrayed in a higly flattering light now, whereas in older episodes they were often self-deprecating.

    yeah, the older episodes didn't pander to the guests


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭mojesius


    It became crap from the Sherry Bobbins episode onwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    mojesius wrote: »
    It became crap from the Sherry Bobbins episode onwards.

    Although that is by far the worst episode (I don't mind if I never see it again) of what is an otherwise brilliant 8th season , there were loads of episodes that came after it that were classics so it wasn't the turning point imo more an example of what the show would be become.The sherry bobbins episode is like an episode form the 12th season that is stuck in the 8th season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Although that is by far the worst episode (I don't mind if I never see it again) of what is an otherwise brilliant 8th season , there were loads of episodes that came after it that were classics so it wasn't the turning point imo more an example of what the show would be become.The sherry bobbins episode is like an episode form the 12th season that is stuck in the 8th season.

    I dunno though, the ending made me nearly collapse with laughter the first time I saw it.

    "Will we ever see Sherry Bobbins again?"
    "I'm sure we will honey..." [Sherry Bobbins gets sucked into a plane engine] "...I'm sure we will"


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The crossover with Futurama was on tonight in America. I still watch most episodes out of habit and because it doesn't take long. Tonight was a perfect example of just how banal it's gotten. There's nothing offensively bad in it, it's just nothing. The 20 minutes absolutely flies by with one or two obvious nods or references. I don't recall breaking into a smile at all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium




    "Top of the line in utility sports, unexplained fires are a matter for the courts"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    I dunno though, the ending made me nearly collapse with laughter the first time I saw it.

    "Will we ever see Sherry Bobbins again?"
    "I'm sure we will honey..." [Sherry Bobbins gets sucked into a plane engine] "...I'm sure we will"

    That was a great joke but the rest of it was medicore in my opinion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 Bhopkov


    The sherry bobbins episode was when they began making it completely unrealistic. Flying with an umbrella is just ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Bhopkov wrote: »
    The sherry bobbins episode was when they began making it completely unrealistic. Flying with an umbrella is just ridiculous.

    So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    I think I would be correct in saying that the ratio of good to bad episode in the Simpsons catelougue is not beyond 1 good to 1 bad, the last 5 seasons seem like complete muck, its more than likely that you could be looking at a show with only 40% of its stuff classed as good


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Cake Man


    Whenever people refer to an episode by it's name/title (e.g. The Principle and the Pauper), I usually always have to wiki/google it but even just a quote or a few word summary of a scene from the ep and I know exactly what ep it is. I can't be the only one that thinks like this!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,421 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Been watching the Mr Plow episode on Sky. It really was an amazing show. So utterly depressing to see what it's become :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    I always went along with the general consensus that it's golden era was anywhere around seasons 4-10.

    Until a few months ago I rewatched seasons 7-10 and felt it hadn't really stood the test of time too well and paled in comparison to SouthPark.

    Then recently over Christmas Channel 4 started showing the much older episodes and I can safely say that the Simpsons stopped being good right around the death of Dr Marvin Monroe in season 7 and the golden era was seasons 2-6 imho.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭obriendj


    K4t wrote: »
    I always went along with the general consensus that it's golden era was anywhere around seasons 4-10.

    Until a few months ago I rewatched seasons 7-10 and felt it hadn't really stood the test of time too well and paled in comparison to SouthPark.

    Then recently over Christmas Channel 4 started showing the much older episodes and I can safely say that the Simpsons stopped being good right around the death of Dr Marvin Monroe in season 7 and the golden era was seasons 2-6 imho.

    Troy McClure: "What popular Simpson's characters have died in the past year?",

    Troy McClure: "If you said Bleeding Gums Murphy and doctor Marvin Monroe you are wrong, they were never popular."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Always felt Troy Mclure was slightly overrated tbh. Preferred the subtle humour which many of the other characters exhibited.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    It fell off right around the time Matt Groening began to put his focus on Futurama, which has gone on to be absolutely brilliant in it's own right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Sometime during Season 9. Hate when people say "Yeah but it's still way better than most things on TV. Nope, no it's not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    Season 7 was the last great season, every episode is worth watching. Season 8 had some good episodes but some awful ones too. That's where it started to get shaky and go downhill.

    To answer the original question, it stopped being good in 1996. The bad episodes of The Simpsons far outweigh the good ones.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    When Phil Hartman died.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭valoren


    You know how people moan about the Late Late Show, how it is nothing compared to the earlier ground breaking show that it was under Gaybo and his team? Had it ended when Gaybo left then it would be heralded as a fantastic show. However, it has trudged on through the years and is a shadow of the show it once was. The only reason for it's continuing is simply that it is a serious cash cow for RTE. The very same reason the Simpsons lurches through season after season on Fox.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    When Phil Hartman died.

    Joe Rogan got really emotional talking about his wife murdering him on a podcast called The Nerdist a while back since they were both on that NewsRadio sitcom together (class podcast by the way), Phil Hartman was absolutely hilarious. Still love this sketch...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    When did it all go wrong?

    Round about when it stopped making the sensitive jokes and started giving more airtime to Lisa's stupid ****ing moral dilemma episodes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,115 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Round about when it stopped making the sensitive jokes and started giving more airtime to Lisa's stupid ****ing moral dilemma episodes.

    No that's not it - it was when Homer became "Jerkass Homer".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16 Earlgreyhot


    After the episode where Homer went to New York to collect his car it became absolute sh1t.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭KungPao


    valoren wrote: »
    You know how people moan about the Late Late Show, how it is nothing compared to the earlier ground breaking show that it was under Gaybo and his team? Had it ended when Gaybo left then it would be heralded as a fantastic show. However, it has trudged on through the years and is a shadow of the show it once was. The only reason for it's continuing is simply that it is a serious cash cow for RTE. The very same reason the Simpsons lurches through season after season on Fox.
    In fairness to Tubs et al, during Gaybo's time at the LLS, Ireland was incredibly backward and under the thumb of the church. I mean, they used to have long debates about condoms and sex and stuff, and you'd have priests and ultra conservative biddies and aul lads getting red-faced with anger as they spewed their nonsense.

    Thankfully Ireland is a little more open these days, so we don't need 'ground breaking' debates about whether divorce and contraception is against God's will and will rip apart our society!

    Back on point. I suppose around season 9 it started showing signs of it being a little iffy. But it's hard to pinpoint, of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    MBB is saucy seaside postcard / tabloid humour that many British and Irish seem to like, hence the ratings.
    Like Marmite, you either love it or hate it.

    I'd maintain the argument that people who watch MBB are morons.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    you guys are so wrong I am watching season 14 on dvd and its very funny and the latest episode from season 26 The Man to came to Dinner was hilarious also pulling in 10 million viewers

    But American Dad is my #1 show


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    you guys are so wrong I am watching season 14 on dvd and its very funny and the latest episode from season 26 The Man to came to Dinner was hilarious also pulling in 10 million viewers

    But American Dad is my #1 show

    Cant-tell-if-serious-.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    People complain about shows like How I Met Your Mother, Friends, and now the Big Bang Theory because they went on a few seasons too long. However, what's happening with the Simpsons is farcical. It's just populated with stupid story-lines and pointless celebrity cameos and the characters are completely unrelatable unlike how they once were.

    Even Matt Groening has wanted the show cancelled for ages

    http://dailycurrant.com/2013/09/29/simpsons-creator-thinks-show-should-end/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    thelad95 wrote: »
    People complain about shows like How I Met Your Mother, Friends, and now the Big Bang Theory because they went on a few seasons too long. However, what's happening with the Simpsons is farcical. It's just populated with stupid story-lines and pointless celebrity cameos and the characters are completely unrelatable unlike how they once were.

    Even Matt Groening has wanted the show cancelled for ages

    http://dailycurrant.com/2013/09/29/simpsons-creator-thinks-show-should-end/

    That is the best indictment of the show you could ask for, it's so unapologetically honest about the whole fiasco. I liked this quote:

    "I did see the episode where it was in the '90s, and Homer fronts this Nirvana-type band. God, those were awful. I hope someone got fired over that."

    Sums it up pretty well. He's also right about Family Guy. I hadn't realised MacFarlane was tired of that show, but he really should be. I remember loving Family Guy because it was so completely anarchic, the weird plot/gags approach that South Park skewered so well actually worked brilliantly in that it had its own off-beat rhythm and could catch you off guard every couple of minutes. The cheap animation kind of lent itself to that as well. Once after a major operation I was watching it and had to turn the TV off because the laughter was so painful and I was quite literally at risk of splitting my side. No fear of that now. Both shows are gone to **** and the cross over episode (which I haven't watched) is a symptom of the complacency of them both.

    Futurama was funny right to the end (I didn't like the Bender's big Score etc etc ones, or the Lord of the Rings thing, but the Comedy Central episodes were fantastic because they were able to do things Fox wouldn't). But I'm just glad it ended. Otherwise...well, we know what happens otherwise don't we?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    I seem to recall reading something about the producers wanting to break Lassie's record as the longest running series in TV history. Hopefully they'll put it out of its misery after that happens.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2 Skid Marks


    I still enjoy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    I seem to recall reading something about the producers wanting to break Lassie's record as the longest running series in TV history. Hopefully they'll put it out of its misery after that happens.

    Just like they did to Lassie.


    The one that mauled Timmy is now in doggy hell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    With me i will watch and i do love The Simpson's from season's 1-8 and with family guy 1-3

    after those seasons they just stopped being funny,


    i was talking to a bunch of college students 10 years younger than me, and they were insisting that they found seasons after season 8 "very funny" and "the best ever" they insisted some of the episodes that i knew from earlier seasons weren't funny at all, so we figured it is the episodes you grew up with that you will remember as being "the best" or "the funniest ever"

    i almost started to believe them (and i was believing my sense of humour had just matured beyond cartoons now i am a grown up) and felt kind of sad about it, until recently one of the channels was showing the first two season's of Family guy again and once again i was literally laughing out loud at the gags, and the jokes,

    The character's just had some kind of substance to them (e.g. stewie trying to kill Lois, or the man in the white coat episode) after season 3 i felt they lost the best part's of the character of Stewie (and Peter too, they made him creepy and pervy) they were endearing and then instead just made them into assholes. the exact same way The Simpsons lost the whole Lisa tries to be different from her family but ultimately ends up just like them, or Homer, instead of being a lovable goofball, ends up a character you'd like to hit in the head with a golf ball!

    my daughter (5) now is watching the old seasons (1-8) of The Simpson's on dvd and she genuinely bursts out laughing at them, she turned around to us the other day and said "i didn't know The Simpson's was supposed to be funny" while she will watch the newer episodes (after we vet them because the old ones were much better at making the "adult" content go over their heads, where the new episodes have it more "in your face") she much prefers the older episodes so it really mustn't be an age thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭icarus86


    Even Matt Groening has wanted the show cancelled for ages

    http://dailycurrant.com/2013/09/29/simpsons-creator-thinks-show-should-end/[/QUOTE]

    The daily currant is one of those satire newspaper websites, hardly a great source :) In saying that though, the show is long past its sell by date.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    icarus86 wrote: »
    Even Matt Groening has wanted the show cancelled for ages

    http://dailycurrant.com/2013/09/29/simpsons-creator-thinks-show-should-end/

    The daily currant is one of those satire newspaper websites, hardly a great source :) In saying that though, the show is long past its sell by date.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    Haha, I wouldn't be surprised if Groening did feel like this though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭icarus86


    Oh I agree. Pretty much every story has been done for them at this stage so even the writers must struggle to come up with quality stuff, knowing it will probably be ridiculed and compared to earlier stuff.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sky 1 now. Absolute classic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Look at the writers back in the golden age (pre-1998). Some of these guys were actually geniuses (genii?), and if not that then really, really, really above averagely intelligent.

    The writers that came after them? Not so much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Baron Kurtz


    Right after Neddy lost his sh/t at Homer and told him to "Stop it! Breath through your damn mouth!!"


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