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The 11 "beautiful" girls on The Saturday Night Show Last Night.

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    #392
    AndreaCollins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭AndreaCollins


    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    So you "consider" them to be facts... therefore they're not facts.

    Saying countless obese women have the pick of any men is just a lie, simples.

    But you tell yourself it's the case in order to push your agenda.



    You are lambasting me for stating an opinion that I consider to be a fact, because "it's not a fact" and just an opinion. Then you go on to give your opinion and state it as a fact. Do you see the irony here?


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    #393
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    Here we go with the "poor me" women angle. Women are always victims.
    Deliberate misinterpretation. Nowhere did I even slightly imply that. All I said was: there is the possibility that the men are just going out with them because they fancy them, not because evil fat women are demanding to have slim partners... which is what he and you keep saying.


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    #394
    dharma200
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    regardless of their weight or aesthetic I just can't see why these women are sitting around in that picture, huddled in a group , with all their clothes off...
    The owner of the modelling agency states "We're all on a journey and we all deserve to look beautiful on that journey." This comment in itself alludes to the process of becoming.. a process which the beauty industry takes full advantage off at both ends of the spectrum. The journey, ultimately I can see that we are all on is to our own demise.. however this kind of thing is telling us our journey should be to aspire to have people look at us? To sell stuff.. and that for women this is some sort of achievement?? fat or not the whole lot of it is a load of shote.. these women are led to believe they are being empowered by taking their clothes off for commercial ventures?? More and more women are not falling for this anyway.. th whole thing is still feeding into the male gaze and the commercialisation of women as an object with which to sell stuff. The weight for me isn't even the issue, the fact in the photo they are sitting around naked, on the floor in a large group purely for no other reason than using their (large or otherwise) bodies to sell something is the fcuking problem.


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    #395
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    You are lambasting me for stating an opinion that I consider to be a fact, because "it's not a fact" and just an opinion. Then you go on to give your opinion and state it as a fact. Do you see the irony here?
    It's not an "opinion" that there aren't countless obese women with the pick of men they want to be with.
    This is a popular lie peddled as part of an axe to grind.


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    #396
    DoYouEvenLift
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    And instead of taking it that those guys fancy these women whom they are with and whom nobody put a gun to their heads to be with (you may not relate to those guys but that's irrelevant) it's "women demanding to be with a slimmer man", even though you have no idea of the backgrounds to their relationships.
    These men having a particular taste in women isn't their own minds, it's horrible women (women are evil and deserve to be hated - that's what some people think here, they can deny it all they like) manipulating them.


    I'm simply posting evidence of the hypergamy I mentioned earlier lol. How the couples came to be is irrelevant to me as I'm of the opinion that none of this " fat is beautiful xoxo" bullsh!t is necessary since we all know we all have preferences when it comes to attraction and fat women are obviously some men's preferences, just not all

    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    Out of interest where did u come across those pics?


    The **** bank


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    bb1234567
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    Agree, but it's hilarious the way it's supposed to be some sort of honour/compliment to obese women if they get a fuq from a drunken guy opting for the last resort due to needing a shag.

    Well its better than no sex at all I guesss...Im sure most obese men who never get laid would take a ride from a hot drunk girl just because she needed a shag..


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    AndreaCollins
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    It's not an "opinion" that there aren't countless obese women with the pick of men they want to be with.
    This is a popular lie peddled as part of an axe to grind.



    So it's a fact that 20 stone women can't go online and get dates with attractive guys then?


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    Shakespeare's Sister
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    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    I'm simply posting evidence of the hypergamy I mentioned earlier lol. How the couples came to be is irrelevant to me as I'm of the opinion that none of this " fat is beautiful xoxo" bullsh!t is necessary since we all know we all have preferences when it comes to attraction and fat women are obviously some men's preferences, just not all
    Hypergamy is marrying or whatever "above your station". If the guys genuinely fancy the women despite being obese, then the women are not marrying above their station, therefore the second sentence above is irrelevant to hypergamy.


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    #400
    How Soon Is Now
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    I know for a fact that most big women will not get any man they want because i have one or two friends who are big girls and they find it very very hard.

    Basically if a girl is that big and she gets loads of attention it could be either shes getting attention from men who are into women her size or she is incredibly easy going and good to be around. Yes men actually like women for reasons other then there looks.......

    Also theres no ****ing way id sleep with just anyone not all men are like that some of us have our standards :pac:


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    Shakespeare's Sister
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    So it's a fact that 20 stone women can't go online and get dates with attractive guys then?
    It's a fact that there aren't reams and reams of them, yes.


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    How Soon Is Now
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    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    I'm simply posting evidence of the hypergamy I mentioned earlier lol. How the couples came to be is irrelevant to me as I'm of the opinion that none of this " fat is beautiful xoxo" bullsh!t is necessary since we all know we all have preferences when it comes to attraction and fat women are obviously some men's preferences, just not all





    The **** bank

    You think shes good looking ? Not being smart just curious.


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    #403
    DoYouEvenLift
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    Hypergamy is marrying or whatever "above your station". If the guys genuinely fancy the women despite being obese, then the women are not marrying above their station, therefore the second sentence above is irrelevant to hypergamy.

    I can only judge on physical appearance from pics, and from physical appearance that is hypergamy.

    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    You think shes good looking ? Not being smart just curious.

    Lol god no, I was joking. Found them from an old article I read way back

    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    I know for a fact that most big women will not get any man they want because i have one or two friends who are big girls and they find it very very hard.

    Basically if a girl is that big and she gets loads of attention it could be either shes getting attention from men who are into women her size or she is incredibly easy going and good to be around. Yes men actually like women for reasons other then there looks.......

    Also theres no ****ing way id sleep with just anyone not all men are like that some of us have our standards :pac:

    There's a simple solution for them: either accept their weight and appearance and whatever men will have them or else lose the weight and get a better appearance to open up a wider pool of dating options who may or may not be better than those they'd have to settle for if they kept the weight. Taking the first option is fine, as long as they don't start these pathetic campaigns like the one in OP to attempt to change what other men find attractive just because they don't want to change themselves.


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    Shakespeare's Sister
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Well its better than no sex at all I guesss
    Yeh but people talk about it in the "Fat bitches can get any fella they want grrrrr!" argument as if a drunken shag as a last-resort is akin to having undying love declared to them.
    The stuff about guys who are virtually male models regularly having obese women on their arm is such a massive, pathetic lie.


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    #405
    AndreaCollins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭AndreaCollins


    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    It's a fact that there aren't reams and reams of them, yes.


    I respect your opinion on that being a fact. I disagree. We can leave it there as neither of us are going to budge.


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    #406
    How Soon Is Now
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    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    I can only judge on physical appearance from pics, and from physical appearance that is hypergamy.




    Lol no

    :p Grand i just wanted to know because ive seen where those pics originally came from lets just say theres worse then that....


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    #407
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    I respect your opinion on that being a fact. I disagree. We can leave it there as neither of us are going to budge.
    Why do you want to kid yourself that lots and lots of obese women getting dates from hot guys is a reality? What is the purpose of convincing yourself of that? :confused:


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    AndreaCollins
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    Yeh but people talk about it in the "Fat bitches can get any fella they want grrrrr!" argument as if a drunken shag as a last-resort is akin to having undying love declared to them.
    The stuff about guys who are virtually male models regularly having obese women on their arm is such a massive, pathetic lie.



    Male models obviously have tons of choice and if they have hot slim girls as options, they are not going to choose the whale over the hot girl. Fairly obvious.

    The average guy who is alright looking has much less in terms of options compared to the models, and these are the guys you will see with the 20+ stone women from time to time.

    You are set in your opinion on this and that's fair enough. I'm not going to respond to this particular topic to you anymore but i encourage you to keep a lookout for obese women and their boyfriends to see my point proven in real life.


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    AndreaCollins
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    Why do you want to kid yourself that lots and lots of obese women getting dates from hot guys is a reality? What is the purpose of convincing yourself of that? :confused:


    If you really want to be enlightened on this topic, PM me and we can set up an online profile of an obese woman on a dating site and see how many dates she gets. This is the only way we can settle this it seems. If you are not interested in this, then please end this line of discussion and move on.


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    #410
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    Male models obviously have tons of choice and if they have hot slim girls as options, they are not going to choose the whale over the hot girl. Fairly obvious.
    It certainly is.
    The average guy who is alright looking has much less in terms of options compared to the models, and these are the guys you will see with the 20+ stone women from time to time.
    "From time to time", yes. Very different to it being the regular occurrence that you said it was a few posts back.
    i encourage you to keep a lookout for obese women and their boyfriends to see my point proven in real life.
    And I'll see fuq all evidence of it.
    But when it does happen, it may just be the guy's choice rather than, as you very angrily suggested, it being a feminist conspiracy.


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    #411
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    So men overall are more openminded than women overall when it comes to the looks of those whom they go out with (drunken, last-resort shags don't count) - seems that way for sure. But... why do so many people feverishly look for someone to blame and get angry towards for this?
    If the guys are going to go out with women who are fat/aren't good-looking (the bitches!) then that's those guys' decision - nobody's forcing them to do it. And I really doubt guys are being programmed into doing this by feminism - hilarious though when it gets suggested that that's what it is.


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    DoYouEvenLift
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    If you really want to be enlightened on this topic, PM me and we can set up an online profile of an obese woman on a dating site and see how many dates she gets. This is the only way we can settle this it seems. If you are not interested in this, then please end this line of discussion and move on.

    There are "studies" (lol) done by regular people like us on other forums already proving your points srs, could probably find some on google instead of going through the process yourselves. There were also ones done for average man vs average woman, attractive man vs attractive woman, ugly man vs ugly woman, obese man vs obese woman...and yup! They all favoured the women for most replies and messages received lol


    Online dating is hilarious for men. You have to be a legitimate male model to get consistent dates/hookups (disclaimer: by consistent I mean the ability to go on multiple dates a week, if not at least one a day). Flip the genders and average women could do this almost as easily.


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    #413
    _Whimsical_
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    It certainly is.

    "From time to time", yes. Very different to it being the regular occurrence that you said it was a few posts back.

    And I'll see fuq all evidence of it.

    I think you'll probably see plenty evidence of heavy women having boyfriends and being in happy relationships.
    Solely from my own social experience,I have not noticed the heavier girls standing out as being the ones to end up single and wishing for a boyfriend more than the slim girls. I can think of several girls who be classed as medically obese who have boyfriends who absolutely adore them. I'm talking girls of around size 18-22.


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    #414
    How Soon Is Now
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    Coming from someone whos been with big women nothing ''insane'' mind you! there is a lot of men and women out there who are into bigger women/men.

    The thing is because its looked down on and laughed at people normally dont shout it around for obvious reasons and would even go as far as not being open about being with a bigger woman/man to people they know.

    There are places online where a woman in any size bracket of overweight could go and be surrounded by men wanting her and complimenting her so its only natural these same people are going to be out there in the real world as well.


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    bb1234567
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    So men overall are more openminded than women overall when it comes to the looks of those whom they go out with (drunken, last-resort shags don't count) - seems that way for sure. But... why do so many people feverishly look for someone to blame and get angry towards for this?
    If the guys are going to go out with women who are fat/aren't good-looking (the bitches!) then that's those guys' decision - nobody's forcing them to do it. And I really doubt guys are being programmed into doing this by feminism - hilarious though when it gets suggested that that's what it is.

    Because men are still said to be the ones who are fussy and always putting women down about their looks and weight despite this...and it really pisses me off. Every girl will tell you that men ar emore shallow than women and girls care more about guys personalities than looks. lies lies


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    Shakespeare's Sister
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    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    There are "studies" (lol) done by regular people like us on other forums already proving your points srs, could probably find some on google instead of going through the process yourselves. There were also ones done for average man vs average woman, attractive man vs attractive woman, ugly man vs ugly woman, obese man vs obese woman...and yup! They all favoured the women for most replies and messages received lol


    Online dating is hilarious for men. You have to be a legitimate male model to get consistent dates/hookups (disclaimer: by consistent I mean the ability to go on multiple dates a week, if not at least one a day). Flip the genders and average women could do this almost as easily.
    Now now, you don't have to be a male model - don't be silly. A LOT of my friends are doing the online dating thing and none of the guys they're meeting are anything like male models - and my friends are fine with that too.
    Why must you keep putting women (not just some women; women in general) in a negative light? It makes you come across as... really disliking women.


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    #417
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Every girl will tell you that men ar emore shallow than women
    "Every" - really? Good to know. :)


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    DoYouEvenLift
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    Now now, you don't have to be a male model - don't be silly. A LOT of my friends are doing the online dating thing and none of the guys they're meeting are anything like male models - and my friends are fine with that too.
    Why must you keep putting women (not just some women; women in general) in a negative light? It makes you come across as... really disliking women.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/23gvy0/its_hard_being_average_my_tinder_experiment/


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    Shakespeare's Sister
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    Well a reddit discussion just proves everything! :)


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    dark crystal
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    AndreaCollins wrote: »
    Of course. This contributes to the massive ego some women have. Social media is making it worse id imagine - whales like the girls in the OP getting loads of likes and loads of desperate men hoping they can get somewhere. Not to mention the average woman who now gets daily validation when she checks her facebook or instagram or whatever (this probably doesn't apply to the mature women here). It's really men who need to wake up and stop giving their power away to women. I think feminisim is generally disempowering men and making them put women on pedestals. 23 stone women getting fawned over and having no problems dating attractive guys is quite something, but not surprising.

    What are you on about? Seriously?

    Who gives two fuqs if women get compliments on how they look on facebook or wherever? What possible business is it of yours? Defriend them and get on with your day. Average women, lol. What are you - above average? These women don't seem to be the only ones with inflated egos...

    It's women in general you seem to have a problem with, not just the 'whales' as you so eloquently put it.


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    Bipolar Joe
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    Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »
    Well a reddit discussion just proves everything! :)

    Did you even bother to read the thread?


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