The 11 "beautiful" girls on The Saturday Night Show Last Night.

kjl

So what did you think lads, were they stunners or what??

To anyone who didn't see the show it was 11 girls from a new plus size models agency and the girl who runs the agency was talking to Brendan. The also did a nude un-airbrushed photo to show off all their natural beauty.

Well as a male I have to say, I didn't think much of them at all. The photo reminded me of the magicians lead by Gob in Arrested Development when they had the "We demand to be taken seriously" photo. They might as well have had a sign saying "we demand to be called beautiful". The fact is they were very overweight girls who in my opinion are fooling themselves by going around calling themselves models.

They harped on about natural beauty but at the same time they were caked in make up.

Now, I do agree with their message about body shaming but there are two extremes and the have gone the opposite way.

The main girl was talking about food addiction and how her personal vice was chocolate, but at one point she weighed 24 stone, how much bloody chocolate was she eating. I feel that these girls were trying to celebrate an unhealthy lifestyle and force us to find them attractive when they are not.

The main girl also admitted to having gastric band surgery to lose the bulk of her weight which I think is a terrible unhealthy way to lose weight. She didn't say anything about exercise or proper diet.

So what did you guys thing, beautiful or delusional? Am I being too hard on them?

eviltwin

Beauty and health are two different things. Being overweight is not healthy but they weren't saying it was were they? You can be overweight and still attractive.

biko

Didn't watch it.







Hope that helps.

kingchess

any photo??

Its Only Ray Parlour

https://twitter.com/RTESatnightshow/status/523139771288526849

kjl

eviltwin wrote: »

Beauty and health are two different things. Being overweight is not healthy but they weren't saying it was were they? You can be overweight and still attractive.

I don't know if I agree with you. most of these women were obese not just overweight.

shruikan2553

While there shouldnt be any pressure for people to look like what others see as ideal, if you are considered medically overweight then you have a problem that needs to be looked it. You can be happy with how things are but if their is something that is damaging I dont see why it should be seen as ok. You can hurt your leg and not have it looked at but it doesnt mean your leg is just different and nothing is wrong with it.

I have often seen it turning around, if you are skinny there is something wrong with you and the crap about "real men like curves" you see on facebook.

hfallada

I find it weird for people to critique smokers for their unhealthy life style choice. But smoking is highly addictive and most smokers acknowledge that is an addiction that will probably kill them. But if you say something about someones weight, you are immediately cruel and inconsiderate. As he/she has a thyroid issue etc. All of which is generally BS. Anyone I know who is overweight has an extremely poor diet and doesnt exercise. Which is due to them

Its ridiculous how in Ireland and most countries how we never talk about the obesity problem. Which costs the tax payer money in medical bills. We have no problem talking about how bad smoking is. But you never see anyone in the Government talking about how fat Ireland is

eviltwin

kjl wrote: »

I don't know if I agree with you. most of these women were obese not just overweight.

I'm not saying they aren't but what has that got to do with beauty?

Buona Fortuna

Didn't watch.

From the photo they look OK - I probably would (though that's hardly a rec)

Good Luck with the thread.

kjl

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm not saying they aren't but what has that got to do with beauty?

Unless you have some sort of fetish you are not going to think an obese person is beautiful. I am guessing you are female, do you think this guy is beautiful?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/02/article-2532756-1A62F52700000578-114_634x522.jpg

helimachoptor

A girl that lives near me was one of the original V plus models, then she started dieting and no shes not V plus it seems

eviltwin

shruikan2553 wrote: »

While there shouldnt be any pressure for people to look like what others see as ideal, if you are considered medically overweight then you have a problem that needs to be looked it. You can be happy with how things are but if their is something that is damaging I dont see why it should be seen as ok. You can hurt your leg and not have it looked at but it doesnt mean your leg is just different and nothing is wrong with it.

I have often seen it turning around, if you are skinny there is something wrong with you and the crap about "real men like curves" you see on facebook.

Its fine if you are telling someone they need to lose weight for health reasons but I suppose the slant here is that all too often people esp women are told they need to lose weight because they don't look right. I imagine in the fashion world its a lot worse than it is for the rest of us. Models aren't told to lose weight because their bosses are concerned with their wellbeing.

cloud493

Attractiveness and what your attracted to is one of the most subjective things in the world. So, bit redundant.

--LOS--

so much fake tan in that picture, they all fail

Iranoutofideas

Another attempt at Fat Normalisation.

eviltwin

kjl wrote: »

Unless you have some sort of fetish you are not going to think an obese person is beautiful. I am guessing you are female, do you think this guy is beautiful?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/02/article-2532756-1A62F52700000578-114_634x522.jpg

No I don't but my other half is overweight and I still think he's a big ride. He was big when I met him and it didn't put me off. Everyone has a different idea of what is beautiful. Personally I've never seen the attraction for the likes of Clooney or Pitt but each to his own.

BrokenHero

If they made an all girl porn flick, I'd watch.

Does that answer the question?

Tbf though, I'd most likely still watch an all female porn flick even if it only starred Moore St market traders.

_Whimsical_

kjl wrote: »

The fact is they were very overweight girls who in my opinion are fooling themselves by going around calling themselves models.

They're going around calling themselves models because they are getting work model clothing or promoting products. The truth is they represent a large portion of the female population and that's a market that's largely ignored and not appealed to up until now.
Now if they get no work they'd be idiots to be calling themselves models but if they are getting it they're every entitlement to call themselves models.

Fudge You

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTESatnightshow/status/523139771288526849

Awful pic

Shenshen

Haven't seen it, so can't comment on the girls. Some poster have pointed out too much makeup and fake tan, so I doubt I would have found them too attractive.
But then I don't really find normal weight attractive, no matter what the media are trying to sell. To me, hot needs substance.

Each to their own, though.

"I'm not into body shaming but....."

wazky

Another attempt at trying to normalise obesity, calling yourself "real" or "curvy" does not justify being overweight or in some cases obese.

Macavity.

Eventually, a person needs to accept that they may not be what's considered universally attractive, and that's perfectly fine and certainly doesn't mean they will end up alone. The thing is, we need to send a message that says - it's okay not to look exactly like what the media portrays as the perfect person, and avoid messages that imply it's okay to be unhealthy (which is what a lot of these campaigns do IMO).

Beefy78

wazky wrote: »

Another attempt at trying to normalise obesity, calling yourself "real" or "curvy" does not justify being overweight or in some cases obese.

Why should they justify themselves to you?

Vomit

Ugh..being fat is the 'in' thing right now. The whole fat acceptance movement is BS, and usually involved dissing 'thin' people..or 'skinny bitches' as one well known fat cow rising star calls them

wazky

Beefy78 wrote: »

Why should they justify themselves to you?

Not just to me, but to themselves and the nation really, it's not healthy to be overweight, simple as that.

Beefy78

Lots of things aren't healthy. Their health is none of your business,

Tarzana

hfallada wrote: »

I find it weird for people to critique smokers for their unhealthy life style choice. But smoking is highly addictive and most smokers acknowledge that is an addiction that will probably kill them. But if you say something about someones weight, you are immediately cruel and inconsiderate.

How often do you actually hear people "critique smokers" head-on though? Be honest.

TheBeardedLady

Vomit wrote: »

Ugh..being fat is the 'in' thing right now. The whole fat acceptance movement is BS, and usually involved dissing 'thin' people..or 'skinny bitches' as one well known fat cow rising star calls them

It's fashionable to be fat? Get away outta da'!

Tarzana

kjl wrote: »

Unless you have some sort of fetish you are not going to think an obese person is beautiful. I am guessing you are female, do you think this guy is beautiful?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/02/article-2532756-1A62F52700000578-114_634x522.jpg

None of the women in the photo above are anywhere near that level, as you well know.

Shenshen

Beefy78 wrote: »

Lots of things aren't healthy. Their health is none of your business,

Ah, come on now... it was clear from post 1 of this thread that this is intended to be the weekly "OMG, there are FAT people! They must be idiots, because I'm not fat!" thread.
Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the silliness. There's absolutely no point trying to argue with someone who wants to feel superior to others based on nothing but weight.

myshirt

Being morbidly obese should not be celebrated.

And that is exactly what this is.

Fat chicks do more stuff and all that, but this is gone too far.

TheBeardedLady

If this thread was started out of genuine concern, wonderful..but it wasn't (they rarely are). It was started to take a pot shot at the women and nothing more.

Tarzana

Beefy78 wrote: »

Why should they justify themselves to you?

Because... because... taxes! Or something.

myshirt

Beefy78 wrote: »

Lots of things aren't healthy. Their health is none of your business,

That is outrageous! Of course it is!

4zn76tysfajdxp

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

The truth is they represent a large portion of the female population

"Large portion" is right.

One eyed Jack

shruikan2553 wrote: »

While there shouldnt be any pressure for people to look like what others see as ideal, if you are considered medically overweight then you have a problem that needs to be looked it. You can be happy with how things are but if their is something that is damaging I dont see why it should be seen as ok. You can hurt your leg and not have it looked at but it doesnt mean your leg is just different and nothing is wrong with it.

I have often seen it turning around, if you are skinny there is something wrong with you and the crap about "real men like curves" you see on facebook.

Do you think most critics are critical because of the health risks these women pose to themselves, or is that just a patronising justification for their more insidious motives in that they find these particular women physically unattractive to them personally?

I'd say it's more the latter than the former tbh. Personally I would find some of those women attractive, the same way I would find anyone attractive, but what would make a person unattractive to me is someone who I thought was deluding themselves and coming up with all sorts of reasons why I might be the one with the problem, such as some people that would suggest I might be jealous of them, or that as you say they're 'real' people as distinct from someone who "isn't" an actual person?

It's a justification that makes no sense, and to me at least screams insecurity issues. It wouldn't be someone who is overweight or even underweight I would have an issue with, it's that person's attitude I would have an issue with, regardless of their size, gender, etc.

wazky

I'd be like a 40-60 a day smoker going on Tv and proclaiming that's its cool to smoke like a chimney and stuff the haters and all the rest of it, it's not an irreversible trait or something, it's a choice to smoke and it's a choice to remain overweight/unhealthy.

RDM_83 again

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Now if they get no work they'd be idiots to be calling themselves models but if they are getting it they're every entitlement to call themselves models.

I'm actually struggling to think of a "irish model" actually modeling clothes and not simply doing a photoshoot with some politician or NGO/Quango head.

To be honest I don't think most men find most high fashion models that attractive, they are stunning but look at the difference between what men watch in porn or magazines like playboy/FHM, massive difference in look.
That said and this might be mildly offensive I just struggle to see how people find people that are obese attractive (not overweight), it hides facial features and body shape completely.

Macavity. wrote: »

Eventually, a person needs to accept that they may not be what's considered universally attractive, and that's perfectly fine and certainly doesn't mean they will end up alone. The thing is, we need to send a message that says - it's okay not to look exactly like what the media portrays as the perfect person, and avoid messages that imply it's okay to be unhealthy (which is what a lot of these campaigns do IMO).

+1

I know it would be next to impossible to define, but I'd be curious how negative body image compares with obesity in terms of health outcomes across a large sample. Mental well being is massively important in terms of health, and being overweight doesn't seem to have a big impact on life expectancy (being underweight is far worse).
Personally I think a partial solution would be to standardizer clothes sizes, make 32 inches actually mean 32 inches not 36, even as a guy there is huge variations.

Tarzana

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Do you think most critics are critical because of the health risks these women pose to themselves, or is that just a patronising justification for their more insidious motives in that they find these particular women physically unattractive to them personally?

I'd say it's more the latter than the former tbh.

Bingo. Love when it's couched in lofty notions though. Amusing! :pac::D

Hitchens

I can't believe none of the PC Brigade have gotten the OP kicked out yet! :pac:

(the girls were voluptuous in fairness!)






gets popcorn

kjl

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

If this thread was started out of genuine concern, wonderful..but it wasn't (they rarely are). It was started to take a pot shot at the women and nothing more.

Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

I do have a concern for the message they are sending out that it's ok to be obese. Most of these women will experience numerous health issues due to their weight and glamorizing it to make them feel good about badly they have treated their bodies is not right.

The main girl herself mentioned a situation where she couldn't keep up with her child running out onto the road, from door to road, what's that 15 meters and she couldn't keep up. How on earth can you say that it ok.

mikom

To be honest I'd love to give most of them in the pic a rattle.
One or two a bit old for my tastes though.

eviltwin

kjl wrote: »

Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

I do have a concern for the message they are sending out that it's ok to be obese. Most of these women will experience numerous health issues due to their weight and glamorizing it to make them feel good about badly they have treated their bodies is not right.

The main girl herself mentioned a situation where she couldn't keep up with her child running out onto the road, from door to road, what's that 15 meters and she couldn't keep up. How on earth can you say that it ok.

Its not okay, being overweight is not okay, everyone should try and stay as healthy as possible. But the health issue is totally different to the attractiveness issue. Do I think any of those women are at a healthy weight? No. Do I think some of them are attractive? Yes.

kjl

eviltwin wrote: »

Its not okay, being overweight is not okay, everyone should try and stay as healthy as possible. But the health issue is totally different to the attractiveness issue. Do I think any of those women are at a healthy weight? No. Do I think some of them are attractive? Yes.

Well, from my experience women don't know what men find attractive, but I can assure you if it was a comparison to a normal sized women the men would pic the thin girl every time. source: I'm male and so are most of my friends.

AndonHandon

"They'd be hot if they lost weight"; my feelings.

RDM_83 again

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Do you think most critics are critical because of the health risks these women pose to themselves, or is that just a patronising justification for their more insidious motives in that they find these particular women physically unattractive to them personally?

I'd say it's more the latter than the former tbh.

Thats probably true for a lot of it, but you also have the issue where a non healthy body size/shape (fat distribution is important too) is normalized and people are kicking of against that.
Being overweight might become the new normal but its not something that we should be blind too, we are facing a genuine health crisis because of this and its not an issue that can be dodged.
The equivalency with smoking is rather silly as well, Personally I smoke, I am aware that I would have to put on 40+ kilo before weight became a bigger impactor on my life expectancy than smoking, HOWEVER I am constantly reminded that smoking is bad, each pack of cigarettes has a picture of somebody dying etc where I can indulge the habit is restricted, the vast majority of the cost of the product goes to the government and hopefully anti-smoking measures and health services.

Tarzana

kjl wrote: »

Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

To you. You = everybody?

kjl

Tarzana wrote: »

To you. You = everybody?

I know things are subjective, but I don't see them winning any beauty contests unless it's a plus size one.

Tarzana

kjl wrote: »

source: I'm male and so are most of my friends.

And? :pac:

I'm female but that doesn't qualify me to speak for all females.