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Munster Ladies football Final Sat 18th Oct at 4pm in Killmallock Mourneabby versus The Banner(Clare)0
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Dr. Harty Cup Result - Gaelcholáiste Mhuire 2-14 St Colman’s 0-70 -
Dr. Harty Cup result : PS na Tr. Youghal 0:15 v St. Caimin's 0:13, 2 wins from 2 for the Youghal Boys,#goingwell,@Munsterpps.0
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Harty cup in charville Wet ptich,damp but no real heavy rain very strong breeze though
Full time youghal 0-15 Caoimhins 0-13
St caoimhins
Paul kinnerk clare coach coaching them
Jason loughnne goals
Damien o connor cratloe
Cathal lynch full back normally forward but their orignal full back was injured
kieran o connor cratloe
guillfoyle wing back
Ben gorman centreback
Patrick mulready wing back
Rory hayes midfield clare minor 1
Dean devanney 2 point
JackCunningham wing aron clare u 21 brother
Eoin flynn centre forward
Darragh.mcmahon half forward
Hayes newmarket
Aron shanagher 9 7f
Caragh agnew 1 point
Subs brian o connor wolfe tones came on for hayes newmarket
Youghal
Harry olliphant youghal two great saves to stop shanagher ,plus one supberb save then 2 up ,saved a jack cunningham certain goal on
jack rourke killeagh st itsas
Bobby mccarthhy st itas
Bill mcgrath youghal
Cathal deane st itas st itas superb long distance point
Kevin murphy killeagh st itas
Matthew farell youghal 1 point
John paul lucey bride rovers
Eddie o halloran clasmore
Danny walsh youghal
Declan dalton fr o.neills 12 8f 2wides and one free also dropped short injured right leg early
Ten minutes left declan dalton got a bad belt ,wasnt intended,was injured but then fine again
Made of strong stuff he is
Was held from play quite well but placed ball was reason they won
With two points up,they dropped him back as a full back sweeper just behind shanagher,knew only goal beat them
He sweeped up two great balls
Man of the match considering he got most of the teams scores
Connor hennessy youghal
Chris morrisy youghal
Darragh o brien killeagh plays full back for killeagh got a vital point 1
Andrew seoige youghal
Subs
Alan mccaryhy clasmore
Ryan coady youghal
Jack merkushev st itas
Darragh o connell youghal
Padraig delaney st itas
Edmond hynes clasmore
Conor lynch clashmore
Kenneth cantilliom st itas
Oisin murphy fr o neills
Charie bryan ardmore
David ogbebor st itas
Emmet barron st itas
Liam cody youghal
Half time the score was youghal ten caoimhins six
Decalton dalton 5 frees just one wide exhibtion long distance point scoring in that half from both play and placed ball,but mainly placed balls,anywhere within 65 metres.
A great win,youghal top of the group now,but tough games ahead,over relliance on dalton could catch them down the line,rochestown could have too much for them imo with shane kingston also lethal for rochestown
Roceshtown are in their group and while caoimhin will improve after this their st game rochestown should respect both opponents but fear not either of them imo.
Charville are in the group also but after two losses unlilkey to qualify imo.
Rochestown had a,bye this round,level with templemore on 2 pts but a game in hand.
Youghal have four from two games.Likely we get at least one cork team if not two from thos group which is fantastic news for cork hurling
Christy cooney was there at the match also,a real hurling man through and through.Great to see men of hes standing at school games supporting hes own
Great result for youghal,outside of my mom dalton,olliphant in goal,bobby mccarthy at full back, cathal deane and kevin murphy at half back,bobby o halloran,jp lucey at midfied were outstanding.
Cathal Deane at half back,16 only i think ,was supberb,great point from wing back ,is one the cork minor selectors imo should monitor.For caimhins,Shanagher clare minor again next year,mulready,gorman ,and hayes at midfield were very good.
Well done to all on a fine win for Youghal,unbelivable and great to see for such a small school compared to others.Immense credit due.
Caoimhins will improve,and play nice brand,clare style of hurling under kinnerk.
On a side note, Wasnt at yesterdays harty cup game,but tim o mahony newtown got a goal again
In hes last four games,club and school,six goals
The one game he didnt get a goal v rochestown,just played,newtown,tuesday evining but still played well.
Picking a cork minor team now,he has got to be on it,simply has to be, having excelled at school,u 21,held hes own at senior against davy glynn ucc and darren mannix,this lad will only improve.
Watched him since u 13,upward progession.
He has superb hands,strong,pace,hurling,no soft scoring nonense,goal is on he goes for it.
Morrisey limerick minor outstanding all year for them,o mahony,similar player but better than tom,tom is very good thats how good tim is.
He has a steely resolve,hunger,real drive within.
Like pa callaghan,the rare blend of fast tappy skill,but power in the air,pace on the ground,strong on the inside,beaitfuil on the field of play,the new breed of player,cork hurling craves for.A workhorse also but real craft,guile and there is more in him.
Eoghan kinery overage now,is another to watch,real potential,okay v limerick but boxed in at corner forward does not suit hes,style of play.
Anybody know who got ag mhuires two goals please?
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Dwayne lee got the two goals. De Mon well on top all through game. Don't have names. But center back and two corner forwards very good.0
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Merkushev and Ogbebor are Killeagh. So is Cantillion iirc.0
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Merkushev and Ogbebor are Killeagh. So is Cantillion iirc.
Yes i do know that.
Killeagh st itas is their club at minor ,i said itas simply that as actually at match,hands so cold wanted make it as short as i could
And that report wasnt for just you other knowelagble posters knew well exactly.what i meant in st itas.
Jack o rourke.,bobby mccarthy,deane same club etc
I dont with all due respect need you.telling me what i need to know when i know too well where they from and practially all i need to know bout them hurling wise.
Youre great to sit back and identify mistakes of others,well done. Thanks
Rebel norrie thanks a lot,much appreciated.,dayne lee is unreal and the other forwards eetr probaly dan gunning and evan sheehan.0 -
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TTM I'm copying your HARTY report into HARTY thread - presume that's ok !0
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Breadandbutter wrote: »TTM I'm copying your HARTY report into HARTY thread - presume that's ok !
No bother work away any time lad0 -
Who are going to be crowned county senior football champions next sunday,I am really looking forward to this on, it's very hard to call there will be some fascinating match ups throughout the field,I fancy Ross to shade it as they seem to have the measure of Ballincollig over the last couple of years and in this years Tadgh Crowley final they won comfotably but i know it will be a lot tighter on Sunday0
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This is from the score.ie
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That’s the headline in Bild
as they bemoan a second successive qualification game where Germany failed to claim victory.
“Clearly, something more creative would have done well against Ireland. What disturbs rather, are the many lapses of concentration, bad passes and arrogance. A world champion should never act negligently or arrogant.”
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My view
This is the german media reaction after last night.
I think it is very relative to here,this thread imo as it shows the perception of attuide on acceptance of standards and perception of focus compared to cork gaa at times.
Here you have the world champions just weeks in,just two bad results but proven players and manager missing key players,but as boateng their player also said they have no excues,shows why germany will bounce back be force in the euros,simply as the media demand more and world champions doesnt give them immunity,they wont accept sloppy passing or their Key word is arrogrance in any game they play.
In their eyes a world champion should never act negilenty or arrorgantly.Made the hair stand on my head.
Like cody in kilkenny,all blacks in rubgy,kerry in football they demand a mininim standard all the time ,whether youre winning or loosing.
Now what some may think is germany overreacting,its not,its ruthless truth and honesty in all corners such that germany wont drop of in their standards.
Cork get hammered,worst home defeat in twenty years over yet no uproar,no inquest more of it was just a bad day,a freak results.in year one,give cork time.
Germany like cork hurling suffered greatly in 2006 around but revamped the underage,radically changed its coaching set up,now world champions.
Germany look within,and theres a boiling point,enough is enough,but cork at u 21 hurling,senior football never accept when we hit rock g bottom.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/martin-oneill-cavalier-germany-attack-ireland-1725161-Oct2014/
Anybody clinging to ah cork footballers ran mayo to a point would want to rethink imo moral victories are usless
Just see o.neills view on moral victory, it was a brillant view.
And they had more of a right than cork in moral victory proclammtion,imo as germany were world champions
Cork football taking on the second team in ireland with only one forward have no right imo to claim a moral victory in the one point loss to mayo.
Were becoming like england in football,we glorify results against second rate team,over hype a manager,like england and roy hodgdon who talks the perfect game,most english media adore him,yet like cork football against top top teams hes exposed time and again,and ex pundidts on itv for example glenn hoddle,ian wright calling him gaffer,treat him like a god when their job is to anayalse a game but imo they fail to ruthlessy anaylise hes weakness
Cork football must aim to be the Germany of soccer ,like kilkenny,not the england template,accept mediocrity despite huge rescources availble.
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Willam maher,tipp minor hurling manager i rate highely,won all ireland 2012.frank flannerry with cit before both left waterford senior team.
I wasnt quite sure on.mcgrath this year but was impressed by the men he had with him,but with flannerry and maher gone imo poor reflection on mcgrath and i wouldnt rate waterford who.have,fine talent,coming up much of a threat next year to cork.
Sounds like they have,real problems down there.
Both to leave in year one,seems no faith in mcgrath
They have new minor management also this year,so cork shouldnt fear them,draw minor two weeks time around.
Ut
Nothing confirmed yet with pat mulchay ,hope he joins cork,if he doesnt dont be,suprised to see him go to another county ,a leinster county meant to very interested in him,a proven coach is hughely impressed by him i heard.
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Rebel norrie wrote: »Dwayne lee got the two goals. De Mon well on top all through game. Don't have names. But center back and two corner forwards very good.
D o connail na piarsaigh
E o chonaing,c o suilleabhain,r o meadhra all na piarsaigh
A o donobhain glen
Ro muireasa,glen
E o laoighre glen
L o cochlainn glen
C o hainifein na piarsaigh
P de faoite glen
D o breachtain glen
D o chonaing na piarsaigh
D o laoi na piarsaigh
E o siochain na piarsaigh
Id presume ag lined out similar to team here that lined out in the ist game
Key players are o darren connell gk played senior na piarsaigh when brady was abroad,eddie gunning fine job senior q final replacing injured darren mannix,evan sheehan u 16 supberb forward,dan gunning eddies brother,of,course dayne lee this year corkminor splendid goal v limerick this year,played senior with na piarsaigh in championship,liam coughlan of the glen and chris hanafin na piarsaigh
I think liam shorten ex cork footballer, current muskerry footballer,fine coach,is their fitness trainer with them still.0 -
Anyone got frank's email address cause he should be made to read this and learn how a manager should be appointed
‘Everybody was taking a line from the Cork strike team’ – Dubs players had input on Cunningham job
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http://thescore.thejournal.ie/hurling-managers-2015-ins-and-outs-1709391-Oct2014/
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/gaelic-football-managers-2015-1709341-Oct2014/
Clare twice in succession have with kissane last year the brillant,magnificent,tactical mastermind in ephie fitzgerald better senior coaches than cork.
Tipp have a better coach in peter creedon,two counties with two good cork men.
Creedon coached cahir to their first south title til 1950,coached cashel minor schools title etc.
Bar waterford,kerry,tipp,clare with sean collins,successful with cratloe,also,limerick with john brudair who had,success with drom with ned english in 2008,2009,and got st patricks to a senior county final ,all imo have proven successful coaches compared to Cork.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/leahy-strikes-late-for-midleton-291542.html
I said it tuesdsay john looney would light up the harty cup,ist game four from play,cert for cork.minors,i also said manely be availble to them,he got a point as s sub,vital in the end.A strong midelton team,missing a few can and will get much stronger after this their ist game out,blowing out their cowbebs.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tasty-gaelcholaacuteiste-mhuire-serve-notice-291546.html
The ag team i posted i was right,its similar to the ist game practially the same.
Gunning and lee got rave reviews i,said it many times,gunning will be next full back at club and county in two years.
A very Special player talent wise.
That was a fine report by denis hurley he done a splendid piece on ag the day before also.Harty cup coverage,Denis does and has done the last few years been splendid imo,well worth reading for any hurling fan.
Paddy ryan also does a lot of games
I have huge respect for anyone involved in the harty cup ,playing,coaching,media,fans etc.Its the bread and butter of young hurling imo.I love,cherish harty cup games,small crowds,yes but everyone their is not a bluffer or spoofer,they know their gaa,inside out,their there they simply want to be there,no prawn sandwich brigade more the flask of tea ham sambo liam griffin type of fan I admire truly and no matter what teams they support,all have a common interest,love,real real love for hurling.Great to see aron cunningham clare u 21 hurler their supporting hes brother.Top players are both.
I met a fella yesterday that travelled all the way from galway just to watch shanagher play.That galway man has my respect.Lot of cork people their in the crowd.
A real sign of autumn is the harty cup as the autumn leaves blow on the crisp cold sharp mornings where the hurling is a joy to behold.I thought Daltons Field of Gold is Charville.Breathtaking,mouth watering masterclass it was.
Well done Deccie.
Declan daltons free taking was an ehibition in masterclass long distance free taking.Low ,but hit like a bullet it,cruised over,like a concorde in flight bar the odd mishap,always reached its destination.Wonder flight trajectory in mid,air of the sliothar.11 frees,got 8 just two wides,one on target but dropped short,taken 65m out.
Great article Horse,you see the Dipalomtic process in Dublin would cause a,sevre allergic reaction to the cork, it would be alien to cork,they want total control.
Dublin,fair play rushe for saying it.
You see again always outside men in cork,eammon sweeney,liam griffin 2008 etc that critocise cork county board,no other cork pundit will do it regulary,No one still consitently questioned cuthbherts term over cleary.
Of course the one man that does question cork gaa is,cusack is seen as a trouble maker,having a rant,all the negatovity,and of course the great one, whats your agenda.I get that line here myself when I criticise things,stick to it,normally cause same mistake repeats itself.I wouldnt be saying it otherwise,but if your juding something you cant ignore a weakness if its exists.
People in cork must ,some,stand up and realise ,they know it too well ,but want the easy life,wont go again the grain and have demorcatic voice and demand better.
One delegate in cork from a big club,believes ger blue had a job in cork,he left,not that cork lost him.It is like ger had no reason to leave
He would want to review hes thoughts imo.Ger blue had limerick.job in hes pocket,knew hed never get the cork one,they could have given him the u 21 job,i believe he wanted it, then coulf be told if jbm goes senior is yours.He had to take limerick .
Of course limerick blew it,wheel always turns a full circle,in
Dublin have a three year vision now,limerick dont,how can they look whos incharge.Ger wanted to be senior manager for last 8 years,he had to go.He cant be expected be to,second in command all hes life.
A clare poster told us last week here,kinnerk was for clare all hes people were to a point,and thats why he joined them.
Talk is kinnerk will do some coaching in limerick football at some grade now,ironic he wont do a thing with their hurling teams.
See imo in limerick football cause they see it as the poor relations,no egos exist,in hurling too many want a piece of the cake,and only a few deserve it.Imo it was a huge huge reflection on limerick hurling kinnerk choose clare.
Theres speculation one current,star underage limerick hurler has signed for aston villa.If thats true I wish him the best.If I was advising him,id say grab it with both hands,in this case.
Choosing soccer ,is a risk to all counties gaa lads,but imo when you have teams that dont have chance winning glory you will likely have less reason to stay.
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Sounds like Youghal have recruited a few from their catchment area in Moscow!!!0
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Mountainlad wrote: »Sounds like Youghal have recruited a few from their catchment area in Moscow!!!
Eddie.hallorhan clssmore fine.player
Whats the minor manager watrrford like
Who will join.mcgrath at senior,is their trouble their?0 -
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Mountainlad wrote: »Sounds like Youghal have recruited a few from their catchment area in Moscow!!!
Incredible, their pick goes from all over Cork and Waterford, even to Western Russia. :eek:0 -
Incredible, their pick goes from all over Cork and Waterford, even to Western Russia. :eek:
Yeah sure they've a massive pick
I'm only joking obviously but just on a few of the second names it is interesting to see a few foreign looking ones. Would suggest their is some foreign ancestry there and good to see that to be honest, more people getting involved can only be a good thing.0 -
Yeah Merkushov and Ogbebor are good young hurlers for Killeagh, think they both have at least one if not two more years at Harty, so I'm sure they'll be starting next year.0
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »D o connail na piarsaigh
E o chonaing,c o suilleabhain,r o meadhra all na piarsaigh
A o donobhain glen
Ro muireasa,glen
E o laoighre glen
L o cochlainn glen
C o hainifein na piarsaigh
P de faoite glen
D o breachtain glen
D o chonaing na piarsaigh
D o laoi na piarsaigh
E o siochain na piarsaigh
Id presume ag lined out similar to team here that lined out in the ist game
Key players are o darren connell gk played senior na piarsaigh when brady was abroad,eddie gunning fine job senior q final replacing injured darren mannix,evan sheehan u 16 supberb forward,dan gunning eddies brother,of,course dayne lee this year corkminor splendid goal v limerick this year,played senior with na piarsaigh in championship,liam coughlan of the glen and chris hanafin na piarsaigh
I think liam shorten ex cork footballer, current muskerry footballer,fine coach,is their fitness trainer with them still.
This the gealscoil section of the north mon school? two club teams, the Glen and NaPhairsigh supplying all the players that's something else really..
Alot of the Cork Schools doing well at the moment in the Harty - except for Colmans, what is the story there is it the loss of boarders?
as an outsider looking in - I would have thought that feeder clubs of Castelyon's (didnt they play in a minor premier minor last year?), Bride Rovers along with Kilworth, Watergrasshill and St. Catherines the school should be in position to stand on its own two feet?
Just looking for informed opinion I as I said looking from a distance.
Plus only one Fermoy player involved, strange for a big town, there mustn't be alot of work going in there
Anyway glancing across the groups the Cork schools seem to be doing well - the future is looking bright enough for ye0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Willam maher,tipp minor hurling manager i rate highely,won all ireland 2012.frank flannerry with cit before both left waterford senior team.
I wasnt quite sure on.mcgrath this year but was impressed by the men he had with him,but with flannerry and maher gone imo poor reflection on mcgrath and i wouldnt rate waterford who.have,fine talent,coming up much of a threat next year to cork.
Sounds like they have,real problems down there.
Both to leave in year one,seems no faith in mcgrath
They have new minor management also this year,so cork shouldnt fear them,draw minor two weeks time around.
Ya it doesnt sound good a mass exodus, serious reality check for us this morning, if he kept the two selectors in itself but to lose them is makes it worse.
I was really encouraged to hear that our young players would be in a set-up with two guys who had recent success and experience with minor inter county and the fitzgibbon scene, guys use to dealing with players of their age group etc.
I would love to know why they left - is it because they went in and discovered it was a mickey mouse set-up?
Or that the players weren't of a sufficient standard/ability?
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This the gealscoil section of the north mon school? two club teams, the Glen and NaPhairsigh supplying all the players that's something else really..
Alot of the Cork Schools doing well at the moment in the Harty - except for Colmans, what is the story there is it the loss of boarders?
as an outsider looking in - I would have thought that feeder clubs of Castelyon's (didnt they play in a minor premier minor last year?), Bride Rovers along with Kilworth, Watergrasshill and St. Catherines the school should be in position to stand on its own two feet?
Just looking for informed opinion I as I said looking from a distance.
Plus only one Fermoy player involved, strange for a big town, there mustn't be alot of work going in there
Anyway glancing across the groups the Cork schools seem to be doing well - the future is looking bright enough for ye
Good post I was thinking similar myself. I do know that there seems to be a big fall off in Waterford lads going to school there where traditionally a lot of lads from Ballyduff, the likes of the molomphys would all have gone to school and played harty in colmans. Lismore seems to be there preferment now.0 -
Ya it doesnt sound good a mass exodus, serious reality check for us this morning, if he kept the two selectors in itself but to lose them is makes it worse.
I was really encouraged to hear that our young players would be in a set-up with two guys who had recent success and experience with minor inter county and the fitzgibbon scene, guys use to dealing with players of their age group etc.
I would love to know why they left - is it because they went in and discovered it was a mickey mouse set-up?
Or that the players weren't of a sufficient standard/ability?
Bad times!
Id heard about Shane and pender hanging up their boots almost 2 weeks ago but there's possibly 5 or 6 more to follow suit if what I heard is true. I'm not naming names now as it wouldn't be fair. Mcgrath isn't popular there. It's not nice to see as there is talent in Waterford without a doubt.0 -
This the gealscoil section of the north mon school? two club teams, the Glen and NaPhairsigh supplying all the players that's something else really..
Alot of the Cork Schools doing well at the moment in the Harty - except for Colmans, what is the story there is it the loss of boarders?
as an outsider looking in - I would have thought that feeder clubs of Castelyon's (didnt they play in a minor premier minor last year?), Bride Rovers along with Kilworth, Watergrasshill and St. Catherines the school should be in position to stand on its own two feet?
Just looking for informed opinion I as I said looking from a distance.
Plus only one Fermoy player involved, strange for a big town, there mustn't be alot of work going in there
Anyway glancing across the groups the Cork schools seem to be doing well - the future is looking bright enough for ye
Fermoy won the first day out however. Maybe they just had a bad day on Wednesday, sounds like they had no one to mark Lee.0 -
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Eddie.hallorhan clssmore fine.player
Whats the minor manager watrrford like
Who will join.mcgrath at senior,is their trouble their?
Brian O Halloran's younger brother I believe. If he's anything like his brother I'm sure he's very talented. Dunno how Clashmore have been relegated to Junior with the talent they have.0 -
Colmans arent drawing from any Premier 1 or 2 minor clubs this year I think. Yes there has been a good few players from Catherines/Ballyduff/Tallow etc. that are going to BCS in Lismore instead on Colmans now. They have a strong Dean Ryan team this year and there is a lot of them playing Harty this year.0
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County U-21 Hurling finals Saturday night. Blackrock v Carrigaline in A final, Killeagh/Itas v Clonakilty in B final
http://gaacork.ie/news/343165/County_U21_A_and_B_Hurling_Finals_This_Weekend0 -
Fair achievement for both Roco and the mon in that both teams to be competing at harty level are drawing their players from 2 clubs - piarsaigh & glen and rockies & douglas respectively.0
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Yeah waterford seems to be in turmoil,i.had a scance at their thread some reliable,honest brave posters,i respect dont rate mcgrath .
Naturally I hope he stays,it is good for cork hurling but lookat the end of the day I feel geuinely for them and I know too well how they feel,i feel the same ,with our seniors footballers and u 21 hurlers.
It always baffles me how inept managers always get jobs.
Tipp ,depending if o.shea stays ,could be very good.
O shea stays they will be strong in.munster but wont beat kilkenny.
Clare are for me with tipp main contenders,waterford,limerick will be undone by management.
We have a great chance of getting to a final imo next year if we get a shrewd tactian coach,with duals soley hurling,add lot intermediate young players,play possession game we have a real chance.
Waterford by the sounds of it wont sack mcgrath,we should beat waterford.
Three games then quater final,semi ,final
In the Munster final play a mixed team fringe players,say youve injuries worries etc.
Dublin will be very strong but its important cork make hay now,as they will be very strong 2016
Cork if we meet ,id rather it be in thurles than croke park,unlikey though we would meet next year as imo dublin and cork be both provinical runners up ,so it rules out us meeting unless,it wont happen be an all ireland final.
Galway havent progressed under cunningham,crave a new voice ,wont be up to much
Wexford be tough,but are beatable.
One draw back loosing a munster final is you could play kilkenny in a semi final but considering kilkenny have won aprox since 98,10 out of 14 all irelands finals ,then its probaly better get them in a semi.final.
Mininum standard imo get to all ireland final,win munster semi,then ,quater final,then all ireland,semi final.
To win an allireland ,just four games to win ,and we wont have to peak to beat waterford,or in a quater final.Will have to ,in an all ireland,semi final.
Its like chess,you dont kill of every pawn to check mate your opponent.Pick and choose.
A munster title imo has now it saddens me to say is merely a pawn in the race for liam mac,and just is more of a nussiance,in time wasting and waste energy eliminating when our opponents in the all ireland can be eliminated regards of what we do with the pawn.
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Yeah waterford seems to be in turmoil,i.had a scance at their thread some reliable,honest brave posters,i respect dont rate mcgrath .
Naturally I hope he stays,it is good for cork hurling but lookat the end of the day I feel geuinely for them and I know too well how they feel,i feel the same ,with our seniors footballers and u 21 hurlers.
It always baffles me how inept managers always get jobs.
Tipp ,depending if o.shea stays ,could be very good.
O shea stays they will be strong in.munster but wont beat kilkenny.
Clare are for me with tipp main contenders,waterford,limerick will be undone by management.
We have a great chance of getting to a final imo next year if we get a shrewd tactian coach,with duals soley hurling,add lot intermediate young players,play possession game we have a real chance.
Waterford by the sounds of it wont sack mcgrath,we should beat waterford.
Three games then quater final,semi ,final
In the Munster final play a mixed team fringe players,say youve injuries worries etc.
Dublin will be very strong but its important cork make hay now,as they will be very strong 2016
Cork if we meet ,id rather it be in thurles than croke park,unlikey though we would meet next year as imo dublin and cork be both provinical runners up ,so it rules out us meeting unless,it wont happen be an all ireland final.
Galway havent progressed under cunningham,crave a new voice ,wont be up to much
Wexford be tough,but are beatable.
One draw back loosing a munster final is you could play kilkenny in a semi final but considering kilkenny have won aprox since 98,10 out of 14 all irelands finals ,then its probaly better get them in a semi.final.
Mininum standard imo get to all ireland final,win munster semi,then ,quater final,then all ireland,semi final.
To win an allireland ,just four games to win ,and we wont have to peak to beat waterford,or in a quater final.Will have to ,in an all ireland,semi final.
Its like chess,you dont kill of every pawn to check mate your opponent.Pick and choose.
A munster title imo has now it saddens me to say is merely a pawn in the race for liam mac,and just is more of a nussiance,in time wasting and waste energy eliminating when our opponents in the all ireland can be eliminated regards of what we do with the pawn.
League title id be much happier with.
Kilkenny always win Leinster apart from 2012 it doesn't do them much harm.they was no excuse for the tipp game long break or not.I'd fancy a cork and Limerick final again.you discard Limerick but they have beaten tipp the last two times and clare have to improve hugely from this year IMO.cork should beat Waterford handy if the play right.Limerick might get found out in croke park but there as good as anyone in Munster.0 -
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Id agree sean,rochestown will be strong and would have had an eye at yesterdays game youghal v caomins,and were correctly looking at both opponents and i heard hamilton had the same at another game yesterday.
Very common now,and its good to see,coaches need to know the oppostiton.
See the level of attention to detail now even at harty cup level.
Sean ,in regards the current cork senior hurling 2015 panel,who would,you drop of this years for next year??
You seem ruthless,no nonense in your punditry,id be interested to know,your,views please
In regards colmans having no one to mark lee,sometimes its not that,its poor match ups,like imo shane walsh could but its likely he,didnt mark him as it seems lee was full forward.
Classic,example charville couldnt hold kingston,got two four,so you would think they had no one to mark him.
That is false,naive,and incorrect if we said they had no one to mark kingston, they had paddy loughlin full back,limerick minor who didnt man mark kingston when he,went in full forward.
Yes paddy hurled awesomely at centre back but kingston,rochestown main forward beat them as loughlin didnt mark him.
Management should have reacted better imo.
If youghal are to have,any chance v rochestown,they got to put darragh o brien at full back,from 14 imo as he,wont score much anway but he has,to stop kingston ,as with declan dalton their main scorer,griffin or cashman will limit him,kingston must be marked on the other end and keep it low scoring as youghal i doubt could win a shoot out v rochestown as kingston is more proflic from play than kingston.
Yesterday was a great win for youghal but for me,a real test of how good management is,is to evolve each game.
Good management will know as,great as,two wins are ,they still have over reliance on dalton and bobby mccarthy was very good yesterday v shanager but kingston is a more elusive player in style to shanagher o brien is better suited to.
Bobby could go to half back,throw cathal deane up to full forward,more of a scoring threat imo than o.brien who is an outstanding full back imo.It would be a bold ,brave move,but fortunes favours the brave imo.Good management will always,see the game at face value.
The management have done brillanty two games in ,but rochestown is a huge test.
Solwhitz Watch and wait davy blow up limerick,very good,tough,tj is good,etc.Limerick will believe him.
Limerick have yet to beat a sweeper with tj ,were in real trouble v tipp last year for 65 minutes.
They know only one style,tj wont mark my words wont drop o brien,o mahony,wayne mac,two of that trio wont cope with clares pace or running game,and clare will play a sweeper while tj goes direct and long kilkenny result will give them false security our direct style is well able for clare.
Clare will win the breakdown aera, due to a sheer weight of numbers and riche mccaw groundhog ground breaking loose ball on the ground by clares eight defenders around the middle third to limericks six,.
Limerick are fine in the air,but clare will break it away from them and not give them possession.
I have watched flannans under jamise in the dean ryan cup,and kinnerks shannon this month and both play the clare system,style of play,at young age,play that so its meat and,drink to them,a statement of clares vision for the future.The next generation learning it now and rightly so.
That style takes time to develop,but all clare teams now know it.
Its easy for any team to play direct style and to adapt to it ,than adapt to a sweeper game from the conventional traditonal approach.
Limerick during the game at best may try to adapt to it but it be too late,as wont have done it during the league.
To beat a sweeper,you got to play a sweeper,Limerick wont go against traditonal way ,and wont have a plan b,and their fire and brimstone be matched every ball by clare,raging to prove 2013 was no fluke,they have real pace in their team,limerick team lacks pace.
In the gold cup,a race of speed over stamina and endutance compared to the grand national,istrabaq would in theory always beat the great Red Rum if they raced.
In hurling clare will be that istrabaq b limerick,on fast,hard ground as that game be like a gold cup not a grand national
Against cork and kilkenny tj picked the wrong team,yet no one sees that.
He has had one game v tipp,but wexford like glen last week were too tired.
There miles off.Im rarely if ever wrong in anyalsing good managers etc.
I just dont see tactics in tj record.
He has no sideline to help him in that regard either.He is not ruthless either to make bold decisions in changing the field.0 -
Coleman's full back was very poor. Lee was way to good for him. Walsh played center back. But the mon played the wings a lot and long ball into lee thus avoiding Walsh. Bad decision on Coleman's behalf.0
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Rebel norrie wrote: »Coleman's full back was very poor. Lee was way to good for him. Walsh played center back. But the mon played the wings a lot and long ball into lee thus avoiding Walsh. Bad decision on Coleman's behalf.
how did dan gunning and jermey saich play
Match ups crucial at all levels now
Yeah walsh should of marked lee
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »how did dan gunning and jermey saich play
Match ups crucial at all levels now
Yeah walsh should of marked lee
Walsh played senior club with bride,lile lee with na piarsaigh
All the mon team played well. The two gunnings are good. Very impressed with their passing and use of the wings. No programme so putting names to numbers was difficult. De mon could go a long way.0 -
Fair achievement for both Roco and the mon in that both teams to be competing at harty level are drawing their players from 2 clubs - piarsaigh & glen and rockies & douglas respectively.
And Rochestown wouldn't have the pick of those clubs either, plenty of the Blackrock lads go to CBC/PBC and Douglas to the community school. A fair few of the Glen lads go to St. Aidans and elsewhere.
Great achievements from both teams. The pick for Cork teams in general, even for Midleton, is inferior to the likes of Thurles, ASR etc.0 -
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And Rochestown wouldn't have the pick of those clubs either, plenty of the Blackrock lads go to CBC/PBC and Douglas to the community school. A fair few of the Glen lads go to St. Aidans and elsewhere.
Great achievements from both teams. The pick for Cork teams in general, even for Midleton, is inferior to the likes of Thurles, ASR etc.[/QUOTE
Don't know about Thurles but ASR team sheet reads like an inter county panel - they have kids crossing the city from Adare, Ahane and also coming in from Co Clare to fill their ranks - it's a Hurling academy in the style of Colmans, Flannans of old
Rochestown lost Shane kingston early yest but held on to win against hamilton high - bit of a surprise there ?0 -
No suprise their in the callaghan cup imo yes hammies are the currrent holders but they only have jonathan mulchay,eoin reilly luke.meade o.brien aprox from last year ,they have o reilly and dinneen scoring ,wouldnt be as proflic as cahalane or horgan yet though.
Kingston got a red card but they had ciaran cormack i presume also.
Hamilton have done well,ist round win in harty,but i dont think callaghan cup was main pritority now after last year.
People talk bout rochestowm.youghal,doing great,picks they have,rarely hamiton get a mention really a small club that is really the main club punching above their weight more so than youghal even.
Mainly just valley,newestowm,bandon they choose from,they loose lads to dunmanaway,clon,brogans schools also,so they have their own problems,school bar b all ireland in 93 was mainly football.
They must have barely 300 pupils i guess??
Crowley when their was great coach,collins o donughue doing great work still i think.
They were in harty cup just four times,95,12,13 and now.They have to be to main romantic story of cork school the last three years.
Only up to three years ago had never even won a,cork a harty cup game,they beat chriost ri.There unbelievable what they achieved,small school,big heart though.
That card in the callaghan cup for kingston doesnt carry to harty id presume,straight red.
Anyone known venue for dean ryan semi charville v midelton next,week please??
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »No suprise their in the callaghan cup imo yes hammies are the currrent holders but they only have jonathan mulchay,eoin reilly luke.meade o.brien aprox from last year ,they have o reilly and dinneen scoring ,wouldnt be as proflic as cahalane or horgan yet though.
Kingston got a red card but they had ciaran cormack i presume also.
Hamilton have done well,ist round win in harty,but i dont think callaghan cup was main pritority now after last year.
People talk bout rochestowm.youghal,doing great,picks they have,rarely hamiton get a mention really a small club that is really the main club punching above their weight more so than youghal even.
Mainly just valley,newestowm,bandon they choose from,they loose lads to dunmanaway,clon,brogans schools also,so they have their own problems,school bar b all ireland in 93 was mainly football.
They must have barely 300 pupils i guess??
Crowley when their was great coach,collins o donughue doing great work still i think.
They were in harty cup just four times,95,12,13 and now.They have to be to main romantic story of cork school the last three years.
Only up to three years ago had never even won a,cork a harty cup game,they beat chriost ri.There unbelievable what they achieved,small school,big heart though.
That card in the callaghan cup for kingston doesnt carry to harty id presume,straight red.
Anyone known venue for dean ryan semi charville v midelton next,week please??
Id presume mallow.
I'd agree with you really - Rochestown have been saturated with talent the last few years and won nothing of significance - have underachieved
Midleton likewise last year - they didn't produce the goods for the talent they had either
Of course year to year makes a huge difference in schools and from what I hear Chricost Ri have the yardstick in terms of preparing and motivating teams
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Breadandbutter wrote: »And Rochestown wouldn't have the pick of those clubs either, plenty of the Blackrock lads go to CBC/PBC and Douglas to the community school. A fair few of the Glen lads go to St. Aidans and elsewhere.
Great achievements from both teams. The pick for Cork teams in general, even for Midleton, is inferior to the likes of Thurles, ASR etc.[/QUOTE
Don't know about Thurles but ASR team sheet reads like an inter county panel - they have kids crossing the city from Adare, Ahane and also coming in from Co Clare to fill their ranks - it's a Hurling academy in the style of Colmans, Flannans of old
Rochestown lost Shane kingston early yest but held on to win against hamilton high - bit of a surprise there ?
Thurles would be drawing from about 5 or 6 clubs possibly. Thurles, Holycross, Moycarkey, Upperchurch predominantly, with some Drom, Clonoulty, Loughmore, Moyne & Gortnahoe lads often involved also but they would have a choice of a few schools (Templemore, Cashel, Borrioleigh). Sometimes there would be a few from further a field with Urlingford & Knockavilla but that wouldn't be too often.
The school is growing in numbers over the last 5 years but it is surrounded by a lot of strong hurling clubs anyways. They have always been fairly competitive. They probably should have won more in the last decade or so with the teams & players they had.0 -
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Before the year started if you told me that Castlemartyr would be in the county final, I would have been delighted for them and would have hoped they'd win. But after seeing them today it left a very bad taste in my mouth. Castlemartyr players were timewasting from the throw in, taking ages to take frees and puckouts. Worse was the referee left them at it for the whole game. He only played 3.5 mins injury time at the end of the game when there should have been at least 6. Also a couple of Castlemartyr players went down "injured" as if they were shot. Throwing themselves to the ground when there wasn't a Cloughduv player near them. Again the referee left them at it.
I also thought that Cloughduv found frees very hard to come by while they came a lot easier for Castlemartyr. Referee was very poor overall.0 -
Rockies,superbly coached team,won and deservedly so u 21 hurling,joe louge,cormack two goals and murphy goal in nine goal thriller,.
O callaghan,cashman,murphy,cormack,o keoffe all done good.
Carrig are a brave,never gave up,o shea,kavanagh,griffin,de puis good goal done well for them.
Fergal ryan is a good coach,would if he wants it imo the man for the senior rockies team.
I fully as I said last week,expected castlemstyr to win,but as I said poor reflection on their limits they need a replay again to win.
They should beat ballinshaig,need to as east cork will be tougher next year with what i heard in one clubs getting one good new manager but then again this is castlematyr, the last two years have a habit in big games making life diffcult for themselves when they shouldnt.
Huge question marks imo remain over them.
They represent cork win or loose in munster,hard t corto see them winning it and if they win go up in cork,wont do much at intermediate.I hope they won munster,i really do ,i just cant see it,id worry if they will be competive.
As for today I hope ballincillg win,better options for cork football imo and would be better in munster ,but I have a feeling it will be close to and carbery could win.
galvin may marks hayes,hayes wont do much if that is the case.
Jennings is solid and maybee hayes do well on him.If hayes goes.on him plays well,it must be kept in perpestive.
Galvin if he,wants to be cork corner back must do well today as he will face much better playes than john hayes.
O rourke is a top top player,man mark him I would,cian kiely has the pace but its huge ask on inexpierenced lad to mark an intercounty forward
Id put galvin on hayes,o rourke id have donoughe.
John hayes has talent but you dont know which hayes will turn up.He to be fair does superb for club but in a comfort zone hes,great.Hayes reminds me of danny ciprani loads of talent, well adored by the local press,allow him play,hes awesome stay tight and man up,he does not deliver in the big big games for Cork.
Watched the recording of the sale and munster game,cringe worthy to hear the english commentary laud the so called prince of rubgys vision,creativity,Ciprani blah blah blah I thought.A game last 80 minutes i thought,judge then or not at all.
He had some vision alright to kick a ball out over the line ,ten yards ahead of him with time almost up.Talent with players a soft core mentaily on the field when the need is greatest,never a reliable mix imo.For all keatleys inferior talent,at least the lad has,,courage,real honesty,great player yet all you hear sky laud is cipraniri their golden boy.
Two moments defined Ciprani,when the need is greatest in a game he goes missing,fine in open fluid game.
Sale had a penalty,he kicks staight down to munster,should have kicked to the corner.
Then time almost up he instead of kicking long,grubber kicks ball out over the line in hes own half.
Hayes imo is similar to ciprani has the ability to score a wonderful early goal,two outrageous points etc but when you need a vital free ,point close out a game,or win a vital ball tends to not deliver most times or do the simple thing he does not do it.In a game of football,first name on teamsheet,in a war of attrition imo I wouldnt have him.
If carbery win,they will be calls hayes start next year.Thats not good for cork in killarney as it means goulding,hurley,or colm loose out,and their proven players on the biggest stage.
Kiely v fitzpatrick could be epic
Ex cork player kevin.macchon solid but not unmarkable needs to.be curbed.
Kelly and miskella will pose a huge threat to carbery
On paper ballincollig in a close game to call but something,im not quite sure yet,give me concern as carbery doggness and club spirit ,they will find a way.If ballincollig match carbery work ethic,miskella,kelly,galvin,dorgan,they should win.
Kelly could be key.
In the intermediate gave I like valley rovers,im huge fan of them but today ,na piarsaigh who suprised me beating bantry ,i have to go for them,as to see gardiner halpin,two legends winning a county title in pairc before its redeveloped,and im sure some corks table wont be happy,gardiner,sean og halpin lifting the cup,nothing would give me more joy today than to see valley win.
Alan quirke great goalie for cork,and sean og ,good friends close ties on oppoite sides today.
If na pirsaigh win,mallow must must have huge regrets.,as they should have beaten them ,but didnt.
For their limits,na.piarsaigh have bottle ,courage,spirit,something mallow did not have this year.
Overhyped,overglorifed,just like northampton and most english teams in rubgy bar leicster the one exception,imo a real club with real values.
Thats Mallow,imo ,overhyped,blown up,too many players play ,fancy ,open football when their winning,but when the game gets close they dont stand up,and do the simple things well.
Mallow were favourites for this in may, to win it outright,it was unlogical imo.I said it then,they would not even come to close to it.
One bit of advice id give them is , for next year get a complete new management next year,give the job to michael o donovan former player,well respected in the club and outside but a good coach.
Dorgan imo is a good coach but maybe he is the not fit for mallow,.
I would like if they won a county as their talent deserves it but they got to look deep within their structures and change or they will never get glory.
Ballicollig suffered big town syndrome for years like mallow but immense credit ,ballincollig changed their ways.0 -
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