Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Hurleratheart

Any update on the breaking news
Spose JBM gone as talked about few days ago

thinkstoomuch1

Mulchay ruled himself out of the job
He wants jbm stay

Leen normally is correct so when he said he was favourite you would tend belive him
Mulchay is right jbm should shake things up if he stays
Similar to last year hard know either way jbm staying etc
Last year seemed he was gone and he changed he's mind

Hurleratheart

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tomas-mulcahy-jimmy-barry-murphy-should-stay-on-as-cork-manager-349255.html

Nothing earth shatering really
hoping someone had balls get an interview from Murphy
We need paul kimmag in Cork

Pos087

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Any update on the breaking news
Spose JBM gone as talked about few days ago

Big update. The boards have decided to hand out free Prozac to all on this thread because of all the over reacting and people are ready to snap as we are all very highly strung individuals.

CORKDOUBLE

Hopefully JBM will stay freshening up the backroom would be good ...I have heard again that Brian Herlihy will get the minor post in football along with Paudie Kissane as coach and also rumoured that the great Nollie O Leary might be a selector ....but beware the social media rumours after this morning !!

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Hopefully JBM will stay freshening up the backroom would be good ...I have heard again that Brian Herlihy will get the minor post in football along with Paudie Kissane as coach and also rumoured that the great Nollie O Leary might be a selector ....but beware the social media rumours after this morning !!

The part with kissane is meant be true and I posted as such two nights ago as both worked at cit together that wouldn't surprise me kissane involved with herihly as herihly rates him


However nothing confirmed as sullivan wants new term
If it's what you say herihly and kissane then that's great news cork minor have no doubt

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tomas-mulcahy-jimmy-barry-murphy-should-stay-on-as-cork-manager-349255.html

Nothing earth shatering really
hoping someone had balls get an interview from Murphy
We need paul kimmag in Cork

I agree with you kimmage is an outstanding journalist among the greats really really great writers

Orizio

Denis Ring will continue as Minor manager.

zetecescort

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With regard to Cork Minor Hurling and Minor Football teams management for 2016/2017 seasons, Cork GAA Board confirms the following appointments.

Minor Hurling

Denis Ring (Fermoy) - Manager; John O'Dwyer (Ballincollig) - Coach; John Mortell (Ballyhea); Liam Martin (Glen Rovers) and Fergus Ryan (Mallow) - Selectors.

Minor Football

Brian Herlihy (Dohenys) - Manager; Paudie Kissane (Clyda Rovers); Michael Comyns (St. Finbarrs); Noel O'Leary (Cill na Martra); Donal McCarthy (Valley Rovers) - Selectors.

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Commenting on the announcements, County Chairman Ger Lane paid tribute to outgoing manager Donal O'Sullivan. "On behalf of the County Board and on my own behalf, I would like to thank Donal O'Sullivan for his hard work as manager over the last two years,and prior to that as a selector and I know he will continue to contribute to the GAA in this county. My thanks also to all outgoing selectors for their efforts."

"I would like to wish new Minor football manager Brian Herlihy and his team every success," continued Mr. Lane.

Current U17 hurling manager Fergus Ryan joins the Minor hurling management, replacing Pat Hartnett who was not available for consideration."

"While nothing can be be guaranteed, I have no doubt that both our Minor managers and their backroom teams will do all in their power to bring success to Cork at this level."

CORKDOUBLE

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Hopefully JBM will stay freshening up the backroom would be good ...I have heard again that Brian Herlihy will get the minor post in football along with Paudie Kissane as coach and also rumoured that the great Nollie O Leary might be a selector ....but beware the social media rumours after this morning !!

Great news even if I say so myself !!!

thinkstoomuch1

Superb news for minor hurling and football

Football imo will beat kerry at home next year and at least be all ireland minor semi final as players are there and for ist time in ages minors have coached know what there doing
Superb new football
Herihly showed age makes no difference as young attuide to the game and kissane worked him at cit

Terrific new s

Delighted rock didn't get it he needs do more before gets it

Yes ring and co results don't show much but have done improvements and better than others

Hartnett is a huge loss though but unavailable
Under twenty one football and hurling are in good hands so key is senior football now

Kissane talk good stuff in he's paper but also showed expirence with clare and cit

O leary bring the passion and hunger but ideal have calm tactics nous kissane there

Herihly huge experience and doing well at club also

Good management be fair absoultey very good

thinkstoomuch1

Key in the hurling is to avoid the same team again twice

sean mac

Excellent football set up, herlihy well experienced from working with cleary and still currently involved with dohenys, hopefully this is the start of great things for paudie kissane as a coach. Minor hurling a bit underwhelming to me, that limerick team that cork lost to were very average and lost both games afterwards, lots of talk about being unlucky afterwards which drives me round the twist. I think ryan is the current u17 manger? so that makes sense at least. Would think in the battle for dual players, the football set up will be ahead.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/do-we-focus-on-training-or-coaching/
Outstanding article

Smith614

A bit of a shake up in the minor hurling set up would help. Like it or not we failed miserably last 2 yrs. Mortell seems to be a lifetime selector inCork with absolutely nothing achieved. It still appears jobs for same fellas.

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Excellent football set up, herlihy well experienced from working with cleary and still currently involved with dohenys, hopefully this is the start of great things for paudie kissane as a coach. Minor hurling a bit underwhelming to me, that limerick team that cork lost to were very average and lost both games afterwards, lots of talk about being unlucky afterwards which drives me round the twist. I think ryan is the current u17 manger? so that makes sense at least. Would think in the battle for dual players, the football set up will be ahead.

I wouldn't think so

Ring results with this minor term were non successful but it was much better prepared than the previous ones and ask anyone involved with it speak the same

Ring record is excellent at numerous cork minor team past st colmans fermiy winning the club

O Dwyer is a very good coach doing good work in Ballincollig

Ryan was with effin this year and comes from under development squads so he's moving up.
He's apparently rated wouldn't be my preference though in one of the last senior all ireland winning team I'd have there ahead of him at this moment in time

Martin was there last year
Mortell seem be involved every cork team and seems be board choice but overall it's good set up with one change last year
Mortell like other said imo has no relevance being here as he's well and truly had he's time with cork teams


Ring ist term was never going to beat limerick who two years ago was best ever limerick minor team would won all ireland but in house trouble

Cork pushed them all the way despite loosing two key players at start game in o brien and casey and despite playing club games Saturday sunday Monday Tuesday up to week game over senior waterford cork replay putting game back in club while limerick had full free week prepare

That game was away also

This year cork beat limerick then had beat same team twice away home always huge ask any team any grade beat opponents twice

Madness of a draw

Cork even limerick said it were dominated by cork with cork having numerous wides

I'm the same as you I don't do moral victory or cover up poor management but this set up is far from the worst cork have and Kingston huge huge loss

I don't doubt if he was there cork would have won in cork cried out for leadership in the last few minutes something Kingston would have brought.

Soon as I heard he was injured i posted here cork had a huge ask
It's fine and fair enough to say ring two years didn't get success but what would you do in who is your alternative management team to take over
Who is better than ring and co?

I would have ring ahead of the rock any day of the week in rock could and I hope become good coach but he still has a lot to do yetand hopefully he'll do well with the under sixteen now in a few weeks who are very very highly rated

If players have to choose between both codes it certainly won't be for don't rate the hurling
The preparation that went in to the minor team couldn't be faulted imo
This is with out doubt sink or swim time for management in results matter the next dayI agree
All I want to change is for once get clear run of injuries and not looking for a good draw in all I want is a fair draw unlike last year having beat munster championship team twice in same competition

That limerick minor team understanding lot change from the year before weren't as you say great but home advantage in minor playing a team that already beat them was huge motivation to limerick

Also and I said this before people under estimate the huge huge huge pressure cork every year carry minor hurling all because neglect of past years and that very reason playing away added pressure also

No other teams in munster carries the same pressure as Cork as they have all had success in getting or winning all ireland
Cork unfortunately at minor will always have pressure until such a team gets to a munster final at least and croke park

I wouldn't fear anyone in hurling or football at minor next year once cork dont have to play them twice or else in football beating kerry means you have rougher draw
If so cork are better off loosing the ist game as draw hurling in munster last year was a joke and most munster counties even said it
Noticeable though how none previous all ireland hurling team are included here

Rock as selector would been okay once not the main man, Wayne sherlock, gardiner, pat mulchay etc, one them would been good
Fraggie Murphy would been ideal if available
Jerry Wallis would have been ideal to have involved as he's not only aware of what cork have but he's actively aware of other counties particularly limerick seen as he devised the limerick academic structure
You would imagine though Wallis at this stage of he's career wouldn't want a minor role would want a huge role to be involved
Imo he's only coach I'd like to see instead of ring for now


Once you play a team your kept apart for the final it should be
Good news for both hurling and football today

Kissane is a terrific coach, organised, has vision, has an understanding of the game, has innovation, will be modern and bring science in to it on par with kerry, will have adaptability.
I travelled to watch a training session clare football two years ago ul years ago to watch him train them.
It was a cold night, I posted here after it and I said it then I expected Huge things from he's management
He's top top class
Drills are fast and everything has a purpose and end always justified the means and huge intensity
He's learned from ned English at clyda and mcglinchry now with waterford all good coaches and would have worked with Keith ricken in cit and ed coughlan this year doing cit statics
Kissane went to watch connaught train in rubgy so he's a keen student of other sports and incorporates skills from there to football and imo rubgy and the current gaelic-games style there's a lot of similar skills there particularly in defence

I for when I ist posted here said as a player he needed to be dropped with cork and I felt defensively wise he lacked pace and numerous times towards the end of he's career he was regularly beaten by forwards but I hugely advocate he's management skills
This proves you can judge a person on two different skills of the game
Imo cork within two years will win an all ireland minor football title and kissane as coach is destined for great things imo
This isn't me being hopeful, but i have huge confidence in kissane
Leary will bring huge drive and hunger and show the values cork jersey
Remember Noel o leary gave the sunday tribunal interview years ago when he said the under twenty one team under Anthony Davis got beaten by waterford was the worst team he ever saw coached in coaching was poor so imo leary knows what will wash and what won't wash

All these men are winners
Herihly highly rated by cleary and beat kerry numerous times and coymm from the barrs is good also
This football set up is outstanding imo
One good thing with kissane is he's not a yes man but has good relationship with the board from he's gdo role in cork
Board like him so that helps
In this case what's important is not the board like him but more so he's a modern coach
I have no doubt if kissane had this year team would beaten kerry

Kerry aren't great like last year at minor but should beat derry but I have never ever seen such a refined systems cohesive tactical minor team ever to come from there when individuals skill aren't like other years but this team plays to a system, testament of jack o connor and will be very hard to beat for an all ireland and if so will take a good team to beat them

Kissane will bring that system to cork in from clyda, and clare he's showing teams play in sum parts greater than individual talents
In cork he'll have some outstanding individual players so imo cork minor football has a real chance next year
Also kerry have a new management so jack leaving weakens kerry, rumours is tommy griffin is going in if true he's good but like kissane starting from scratch so with jack leaving it's ideal timing for cork
Alan Quirke is goal keeping coach and Derek kavanagh staying under development seventeenth side but will be involved in the back ground with the minor also
Cork minor football season can't come quick enough imo now
At last a management set up at minor that tick all the boxes and imo bring so much more to the table.


The players are in cork but crucially the football is compliment now by good management

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/ephie-wants-to-coach-cork/
I heard form have gone to clubs and nominations have be in by Wednesday

CORKDOUBLE

I believe frank wanted Donal O Sullivan to stay on ....Ger Lane again maybe standing up to do the right thing ? Would I be correct in saying that this must be the first Minor football indeed the first underage manager that has picked his own backroom team in Cork ..regardless of results that is a victory in it self .

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

I believe frank wanted Donal O Sullivan to stay on ....Ger Lane again maybe standing up to do the right thing ? Would I be correct in saying that this must be the first Minor football indeed the first underage manager that has picked his own backroom team in Cork ..regardless of results that is a victory in it self .

Sullivan wanted another term despite results proven be off the mark

Board deserve credit yes for new team
But imo I would hold off brining out the cake and lighting the candles and roaring freedom just yet when we seen this down years one manager is good other set up poor as seen under twenty one football been good etc


Is there change
Well yes minor football brought own men in but this is imo usual board under huge pressure know when give token gift in battle may be lost but usually win the war


For example minor hurling has still one man their been around for years

The ccb statement an apology was given but no real answers given on scaith scoil or pairc but usual nonsense we can't disclose etc

The ccb statement said was taken out context by some no it wasn't
No apology cork fans for poor appointment senior management

One ccb members all four committee appointment
The board accused some media agenda against cork etc
No they haven't they have simply spoken what's true and to be fair compared other counties cork got away lightly in for nearly year half no critsim football or other matters

Pairc development has a lot of concern around it
I wouldn't be convinced totally change occurred yet bar few things changed

Football senior appointment will tell a lot
Cleary has to get it and if he doesn't go for it means then they not allowing all he's terms etc

Since the last strikes we seen good management set up like jbm hurling counihan and cleary so they tend to get few right when pressure on but still imo open to putting in their own men at times for the jobs

I see nothing yet to convince me really change board level happen
This may sound harsh but look at the history of the board one step forward ten step back

Credit for the minor football job good appointment
But lot a lot to do before I'm convinced cork gaa has evolved fully
There's a school of wisdom beware of the Greek bearing gifts
In cork at times when there's good news you still fear what around the corner

slingerz

I have serious misgivings around the idea of past players being the silver bullet solution to team managements.

In rugby, it is a requirement that any coaches at any age grade have completed the appropriate coaching course and that includes underage teams. Clubs are required to have the coaches complete the courses. The best coaches are invited to progress to the higher levels.

This is something that the GAA should enforce in Cork. A club team cannot have anyone involved that has not completed the appropriate course. At least then there is some hope of standards improving and the best coaches will be invited onto elite coaching courses regardless of their past playing standards

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

I have serious misgivings around the idea of past players being the silver bullet solution to team managements.

In rugby, it is a requirement that any coaches at any age grade have completed the appropriate coaching course and that includes underage teams. Clubs are required to have the coaches complete the courses. The best coaches are invited to progress to the higher levels.

This is something that the GAA should enforce in Cork. A club team cannot have anyone involved that has not completed the appropriate course. At least then there is some hope of standards improving and the best coaches will be invited onto elite coaching courses regardless of their past playing standards

An outstanding simply Sensational post that I fully agree with
What your saying is minimum standards I totally totally agree

brookville

I was reading one of the papers monday and see a report from one of the cork club matches and noticed bill beckett got a few scores.just wondering is that the same lad from freshford who used to be on the senior fringes and if so how is he rated down there?

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

An outstanding simply Sensational post that I fully agree with
What your saying is minimum standards I totally totally agree

It's a simple system in rugby. Clubs must submit the names of their teams head coaches at all levels to the branch and proof of their qualification. You cannot coach a senior rugby team without the required coaching qualification. And that process is the same for age grade teams all the way down to minis

To coach at interpro level you must get invited onto those coaching courses which is done based solely on ability and premise of potential capabilities

willietherock

brookville wrote: »

I was reading one of the papers monday and see a report from one of the cork club matches and noticed bill beckett got a few scores.just wondering is that the same lad from freshford who used to be on the senior fringes and if so how is he rated down there?

Yes. V good senior club forward by Cork standards.
Incidentally Beckett is a very famous 'Barrs hurling name from generations ago, I wonder is there any connection?

willietherock

Smith614 wrote: »

A bit of a shake up in the minor hurling set up would help. Like it or not we failed miserably last 2 yrs. Mortell seems to be a lifetime selector inCork with absolutely nothing achieved. It still appears jobs for same fellas.

Ring was found out again at this level. Unfortunate in certain circumstances but the side looked appallingly coached v Limerick the 2nd day not to mention Cork's weakest defender spent the whole match on the key Limerick forward. One of the class of 04-06 would have been a nice addition and would have offered a lot of creditability to the young fellows involved. Same tired old faces still involved, John Mortell again...

thinkstoomuch1

brookville wrote: »

I was reading one of the papers monday and see a report from one of the cork club matches and noticed bill beckett got a few scores.just wondering is that the same lad from freshford who used to be on the senior fringes and if so how is he rated down there?

Good club Player but nothing special inter county etc

Not anywhere near best club forwards at cork panel and only this year started show good form
Imo not best club Player barrs forward have in keane full forward think not Eoin keane but other lad look good strong players and under twenty one barrs possibly should looked at down line
Beckett good club Player but not inter county

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

Ring was found out again at this level. Unfortunate in certain circumstances but the side looked appallingly coached v Limerick the 2nd day not to mention Cork's weakest defender spent the whole match on the key Limerick forward. One of the class of 04-06 would have been a nice addition and would have offered a lot of creditability to the young fellows involved. Same tired old faces still involved, John Mortell again...

Fair enough you can questions he's record last two years success wise but to say again record is found out again is incorrect

Won three in row harty cup colmans all ireland
Minor all ireland cork coach
Minor munster tile ten years ago
Munster under twenty one coach winner eight years ago
Fermiy club title last year
Numerous other success

He's record speaks for itself through the years
As for appalling coached I'd have to disagree yes you could use that phrase with other cork team this year certainly not minor hurling as while you would questions some things fair enough to say they were appalling coached is way of the mark and they practically dominated limerick the second day

Who would you like as coach

rebel girl 15

Cork GAA and Sciath na Scoil in war of words

Coiste Sciath na Scol has met twice this month with a view to planning our 2015-16 activities, despite the on-going worry of – where will we play our Allianz Football Finals in November? We will have 31 Boys and Girls Football finals to play, following on from thousands of games played by over 160 schools. We met with a representative group from the Cork County Board on Tuesday 23 June as well as engaging via email over the summer holidays with the Senior Administrator with a view to securing at least half of these finals in Páirc Uí Rinn (as would happen in other years). A simple ‘Yes or No’ would do in relation to Páirc Uí Rinn being made available to us, but up to this point, that information has not been forthcoming. Bear in mind, our Football games commence the week of Monday 14 September. We are due to meet with the Chairperson of Cork County Board (Ger Lane) next Tuesday 25 August and we will bring the results of that encounter to our teachers at our AGM which is scheduled for the first or second week in September. Coiste Sciath na Scol is disappointed that no club delegate raised our issues at last Tuesday evening’s monthly board meeting, despite that fact that it’s one of the the only appropriate forums for our story to be discussed. Why didn’t the club delegates raise the matter? Is the continued support of teachers towards our games not a priority here in Cork? Our own delegate was in attendance and has raised the problem before at the June meeting, however he was a lone voice. It is important to note that our upcoming sit-down with the Chairperson of the CCB was included on the progress report which was emailed to clubs on the day of the County Board meeting.Our aim is to organise our upcoming matches with enthusiasm and in a professional manner. However, we will not compromise on where we arrange to play our finals. They must meet our own strict criteria in relation to accessibility and child protection. We have also planned new initiatives in relation to promoting Handball and Rounders for 2015-16.

Full story - http://www.the42.ie/sciath-na-scol-cork-2288761-Aug2015/

thinkstoomuch1

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Cork GAA and Sciath na Scoil in war of words




Full story - http://www.the42.ie/sciath-na-scol-cork-2288761-Aug2015/

Extremely poor the way again last week meeting none of this was raised yet some here are naive to think change in the ccb has happened
This proved again no real change has happened
Very poor treatment by the ccb on the school imo

clerk

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Cork GAA and Sciath na Scoil in war of words

Full story - http://www.the42.ie/sciath-na-scol-cork-2288761-Aug2015/

Thanks for posting that, very interesting.

It's issues like that have a real and serious impact on Cork GAA over time. It is perfectly correct that it is being highlighted now as the CCB haven't as yet come to the party on it.

Looking at the timings there I can't imagine the pressures that are coming to bear on the organisers in terms of advising parents as to what is going on. It's only a few weeks away. Great credit to the organisers and you'd think they'd be getting 100% support for their time and effort.

It's for items like the one above that I think a Director of Hurling and Football should be appointed for Cork. Cork is massive, I was down in the Warren last weekend and it was 1 hour, 15 minute drive from Cork City. I can get halfway to Dublin in that time. Cork is very complex to administer due to it's size and quantity of schools etc. It needs seeing to. It will happen at some stage but we'll naturally have the usual kicking and screaming routine first from the CCB.

I see the CCB are still trotting out the "No Foreign games" guff even though in reality all the top grounds have foreign games when it suits the GAA. Pathetic stuff from the CCB.