Season 4, Episode 8 - 'The Mountain and the Viper', HAVE NOT read the books

Dan_Solo · 09-06-2014 07:54PM

So technically Bran would have to un-Snow John Snow as he's next in line to the house Stark? (or is he?

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Iwasfrozen · 09-06-2014 07:56PM

Blay wrote: »

GRRM has said there is no hard rule on that, it's decided on a case by case basis.

So Spake Martin

Well how can one argue with God?

Awkward Badger · 09-06-2014 08:00PM

It doesn't matter anyway given it was never going to happen. He was a man when he left for the Nights Watch. He was never going to be a Stark. Which means his only claim would be if all Stark's were dead and his claim was backed by the other houses or proclaimed lord of Winterfell by the King.

Dan_Solo · 09-06-2014 08:04PM

Pugsly wrote: »

It doesn't matter anyway given it was never going to happen. He was a man when he left for the Nights Watch. He was never going to be a Stark. Which means his only claim would be if all Stark's were dead and his claim was backed by the other houses or proclaimed lord of Winterfell by the King.

That isn't actually a never, more of a not bleedin' likely.
Unless Bran gets his dragon on he'd be my shoe in for Lord of Winterfell TBH.
But it appears the Lord of a house can legitimize a bastard? Why don't they just all do it then...

Mickeroo · 09-06-2014 08:06PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That isn't actually a never, more of a not bleedin' likely.
Unless Bran gets his dragon on he'd be my shoe in for Lord of Winterfell TBH.
But it appears the Lord of a house can legitimize a bastard? Why don't they just all do it then...

Only a king can do it, Tommen legitimised Ramsey not Roose.

Witcher · 09-06-2014 08:06PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That isn't actually a never, more of a not bleedin' likely.
Unless Bran gets his dragon on he'd be my shoe in for Lord of Winterfell TBH.
But it appears the Lord of a house can legitimize a bastard? Why don't they just all do it then...

Only a king can legitimise a bastard.

wp_rathead · 09-06-2014 08:38PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So technically Bran would have to un-Snow John Snow as he's next in line to the house Stark? (or is he? )

Jon Snow hasnt been "legitimised" as a Stark though

Degag · 09-06-2014 10:01PM

kryogen wrote: »

I worry about him, I am not sure where he has to go in terms of an arc now. Would hate to see him killed off, well, no thats not quite true, pretty desensitised to favourite characters being knocked off. I would hope it is done in some fashion befitting him though and not because of this wound that he hasn't treated properly.

The foreshadowing of that though would make you feel it is the most likely cause of his demise (if he does die)

The only future I can see for him, is if his brother is still alive and they build toward a final confrontation or resolution there, but I am pretty sure The Mountain is dead considering his injuries

I think the Hound is fecked also but he hates the Lannisters and he saved Sansa (a few times maybe?) so there may be a storyline there for him if Littlefinger plans on taking them on.

wp_rathead · 09-06-2014 10:37PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Only a king can do it, Tommen legitimised Ramsey not Roose.

Blay wrote: »

Only a king can legitimise a bastard.

When does it say that?

Witcher · 09-06-2014 10:45PM

wprathead wrote: »

When does it say that?

Directly from the show wiki;

Legitimization is the process by which a bastard receives the rights and social status of trueborn offspring by royal decree.

Legitimisation

Mickeroo · 10-06-2014 05:04PM

Gadgie wrote: »

Yeah, probably. In season 3 episode 2 when Catelyn is making the prayer wheel and telling Talisa about the time Jon Snow almost died as a child, she says that she planned to ask Ned to "give him a true name - to call him Stark" if he lived, but she couldn't go through with it in the end. So that seems to suggest that lords can legitimise their own bastards (in the show, at least).

Thats a good spot, it could very well be the case that a warden/lord has the power to legitimise so.

Gadgie · 10-06-2014 06:34PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

There was ample time for Roose to have a document sent to King's Landing and stamped by Tommen.

When? Did he send it by fax or email? Or DHL same day delivery?

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

And Ned could easily have petitioned Robert to legitimize Jon had he wanted.

True, I was going to say so in my post above, but it was cut for pacing.

Anachrony · 11-06-2014 11:25PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So technically Bran would have to un-Snow John Snow as he's next in line to the house Stark? (or is he? )

Even if Jon was an official Stark heir and his brothers were all dead, his irrevocable oath to the Night's Watch makes him lose all such titles, lands, and inheritances. So he could never be the rightful heir no matter what happened, at this point. Literally anyone could take the position with a sufficiently large army to impose their will, but it would never be because it was any sort of legal claim to it. If Jon ever took the position it would not be about being "next in line" or any legal technicality, because it will never be his by tradition or law, only by force. Hodor would have more right to the position, because he has as much claim to it, and at least Hodor has never specifically sworn not to hold the position.

sebastianlieken · 12-06-2014 03:44PM

I'm looking for the meme with two bloody "facebook like" thumbs up which says "The mountain approves of this post"...

somebody help?

Mickeroo · 12-06-2014 03:50PM

sebastianlieken wrote: »

I'm looking for the meme with two bloody "facebook like" thumbs up which says "The mountain approves of this post"...

somebody help?

Here ya go: http://weknowmemes.com/2014/06/the-mountain-likes-this-post/

Season 4, Episode 8 - 'The Mountain and the Viper', HAVE NOT read the books

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