Season 4, Episode 8 - 'The Mountain and the Viper', HAVE NOT read the books

Dan_Solo

Turtyturd wrote: »

I was beaten to it, but it's fairly obvious why he acted the way he did. I look forward to next weeks episode of 'Dan Solo nitpicks at something that is blatantly obvious.' :pac:

Looking forward to next week when the usual suspects put forward any old preposterous theory to fit whatever happens on the show myself!
I still don't see how he really expected The Mountain to confess to being ordered to kill his sister, if he was or not. And getting killed at King's Landing doing a favour for a Lannister wouldn't get him many favours back home.

PS: It does now look like hacking cringing random peasants to bits wasn't all that great preparation for a trial by combat!

Dan_Solo

Dar wrote: »

At the time that Tyrion send Myrcella south, Robb Stark was still alive and had won every battle. Stannis was still threatening Kings Landing. The alliance with the Tyrells had not yet been brokered. Arryn and Martell were undeclared. The Lannisters were surrounded by enemies. Giving the Martells a hostage was a small price to pay to keep them out of the conflict.

But if the Lannisters were rightly screwed and the Martells hate them, why didn't they just pile in and finish them off? Or Dorne for that matter.

Dar

Dan_Solo wrote: »

But if the Lannisters were rightly screwed and the Martells hate them, why didn't they just pile in and finish them off? Or Dorne for that matter.

Thats a good question. Why didn't they?

ps: The Martells are the ruling house of Dorne

Dan_Solo

Dar wrote: »

Thats a good question. Why didn't they?

ps: The Martells are the ruling house of Dorne

Well they might have been promised a marriage to Joff, but wouldn't they need to commit troops rather than just stay out of it for that sort of pay off.

EDIT: oops, Dorne/Martell one and the same. Why did the Tyrells even side with them? What did any house have to gain from leaving the Lannisters in power?

Dar

Ah, I think you're confusing the Martells and the Tyrells.

The Tyrells are the ruling house of the Reach. They originally backed Renly. When Renly was killed, Littlefinger brokered the marriage between Margeary and Joffrey. As part of this deal, the Tyrells have joined forces with the Lannisters, the are actively at war with Stannis and Mace Tyrell has been named Master of Ships.

The Martells are the ruling house of Dorne. During Robert's Rebellion they sides with the Targaryens. They have yet to declare for either side, but they hate the Lannisters. Of course they have no real love the Starks or Baratheons either.

Dar

For reference, the current great houses are:

The North - Bolton
Riverlands - Baelish
Iron Isles - Greyjoy
Westerlands - Lannisters
The Reach - Tyrell
Dorne - Martell
The Vale - Arryn
Stormlands - Baratheon (Stannis)
Crownlands - Baratheon (Tommen)

FourFourRED

Great episode. The ending caught me by surprise. I was full sure he had him but I guess on reflection it was all building towards him getting killed with his cockiness/the wine/speech to his lover/not finishing him off.

Dan_Solo

Dar wrote: »

Ah, I think you're confusing the Martells and the Tyrells.

The Tyrells are the ruling house of the Reach. They originally backed Renly. When Renly was killed, Littlefinger brokered the marriage between Margeary and Joffrey. As part of this deal, the Tyrells have joined forces with the Lannisters, the are actively at war with Stannis and Mace Tyrell has been named Master of Ships.

The Martells are the ruling house of Dorne. During Robert's Rebellion they sides with the Targaryens. They have yet to declare for either side, but they hate the Lannisters. Of course they have no real love the Starks or Baratheons either.

No I can see what he Tyrells are getting out of it, or were anyway before Joff bought the farm. I just don't see what they were getting from their perspective at the start of the entire war when Sansa was still queen.
Tyrrell v Martell didn't come across in the show for me anyway.

Turtyturd

Sansa was never queen.

Dar

Dan_Solo wrote: »

No I can see what he Tyrells are getting out of it, or were anyway before Joff bought the farm. I just don't see what they were getting from their perspective at the start of the entire war when Sansa was still queen.
Tyrrell v Martell didn't come across in the show for me anyway.

The Tyrells backed Renly at the start of the war, with Margeary Tyrell as his queen. After Renly was killed, they sided with the Lannisters once Littlefinger had brokered the marriage between Margeary and Joffrey (after which Sansa was set aside).

TheGlass

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I liked Oberyn, but I agree entirely about how odd his freedom of the city was. How can you have a guest at your palace who openly claims to want to kill every Lannister in Westeros? What was Tywin expecting from Oberyn except trouble?

Tywin wasn't expecting Oberyn, he was expecting his brother

Dan_Solo wrote: »

He could've stabbed Tywin in the belly when he had the chance...

As he said himself, if he did that he'd be 'drawn and quartered tomorrow'
youtube.com/watch?v=n0dN_vtwPNU

Dan_Solo wrote: »

As opposed to facing the mountain in single combat and he probably won't say what you want him to anyway?
If you think Tywin is guilty then I know which one is more likely to get him TBH.

He had the Mountain beaten, and probably thought he could torture him into confessing, and maybe he would have if not for his slip up?

Dan_Solo

Turtyturd wrote: »

Sansa was never queen.

But she was in King's Landing already for this to happen.

kryogen

Dar wrote: »

For reference, the current great houses are:

The North - Bolton
Riverlands - Baelish
Iron Isles - Greyjoy
Westerlands - Lannisters
The Reach - Martell
Dorne - Tyrell
The Vale - Arryn
Stormlands - Baratheon (Stannis)
Crownlands - Baratheon (Tommen)

On first glance you need to swap the Martell and Tyrell families

Dar

Oooops

2ndcoming

Dar wrote: »

For reference, the current great houses are:

The North - Bolton
Riverlands - Baelish
Iron Isles - Greyjoy
Westerlands - Lannisters
The Reach - Tyrell
Dorne - Martell
The Vale - Arryn
Stormlands - Baratheon (Stannis)
Crownlands - Baratheon (Tommen)

Just swap Tyrell and Martell.

And Baelish isn't really a house yet, just a man. He's been granted Harrenhal but never been there as far as I recall. We've never been shown what became of Riverrun and the Tullys after the Red Wedding, so it's hard to say who controls the Riverlands.

Edit:It's probably the Freys.

Dar

No, we don't know what the situation in the riverlands is, but Baelish is officially Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Paramount of the Trident. Of course this is mostly a paper title, he doesn't have the armies to back it up at the moment.

ArmaniJeanss

Having a majorly antagonistic adversary as an invitee at a state occasion seems a bizarre thing to nitpick over as it still happens even nowadays.

When Charles get crowned in the next few years, every head of state in the commonwealth, almost the world, will be there, and lots of them will have to kept apart to stop fighting between them, and quite a few delegates would be happy to stick a dagger in Tywin Cameron if given a chance. Yet all still have to be invited, and a pretence of civility kept. Hopefully Obama won't get drunk again and try to cop off with the Swedish girl like at Joffr Mandelas funeral.

FourFourRED

Bring back Rob Baratheon - "More wine your grace?"

Smartly Dressed

Aodhagan wrote: »

Bring back Rob Baratheon - "More wine your grace?"

Isn't Lancel still alive?

Dar

Smartly Dressed wrote: »

Isn't Lancel still alive?

Yes he's still alive. He was injured during the battle of the blackwater and we haven't seen him since.

FourFourRED

Dar wrote: »

Yes he's still alive. He was injured during the battle of the blackwater and we haven't seen him since.

Would be great to have him back. Some of his scenes were classical!

Smartly Dressed

Aodhagan wrote: »

Would be great to have him back. Some of his scenes were classical!

"Go find the breastplate stretcher!"

golfball37

House Frey now control the Riverlands as per the end of season 3.

Chet T16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKSay7_0yo

ShadowHearth

I watched it on Monday..... And why cant I stop thinking about the ending.

I really hope they introduce some Necromancy soon in Game of Thrones or I am done!

Mickeroo

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I really hope they introduce some Necromancy soon in Game of Thrones or I am done!

Pretty sure they already did when the Hound cut Baeric Dondarrion in half last season.

Maximus Alexander

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I watched it on Monday..... And why cant I stop thinking about the ending.

I really hope they introduce some Necromancy soon in Game of Thrones or I am done!

They already did? Beric Dondarrion might ring a bell.

Links234

It'd be a pretty awful cop out if Thoros of Mir went skipping around reviving everyone's favourite characters though, don't you think? Surely he has a lengthy cooldown on that special ability.

Maximus Alexander

Links234 wrote: »

It'd be a pretty awful cop out if Thoros of Mir went skipping around reviving everyone's favourite characters though, don't you think? Surely he has a lengthy cooldown on that special ability.

Also, since he can't actually heal the injuries that led to death, Oberyn wouldn't be quite as charming afterwards.

Links234

Links234 wrote: »

It'd be a pretty awful cop out if Thoros of Mir went skipping around reviving everyone's favourite characters though, don't you think? Surely he has a lengthy cooldown on that special ability.

Unless he has a sackful of 'Philter of Extra Magicka' potions! :pac: