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Punching a woman - Justified or not? - MOD WARNING FIRST POST

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    #602
    WilyCoyote
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    sopretty wrote: »
    Is that news to you?

    It's history ....... not as in hystery


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    #603
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    sopretty wrote: »
    Would you like me to start with the ovaries, fallopian tubes and womb or should I start with the muscle to fat ratio?


    Start with the stuff that matters.
    Ovaries and Fallopian tubes and complete lack of penis don't.

    The muscle mass difference is negligible, you'd swear women only had the strength of a child or something.


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    #604
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    It's history ....... not as in hystery

    ya whah?


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    #605
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    While violence against anybody isn't a particularly good thing I do think that the black/white rule of 'a man should never hit a woman under any circumstances' is a bit outdated.

    Some women act violently towards men and some women are indeed stronger than some men.

    IMO if somebody attacks you then you can fight back irrespective of the attackers gender.


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    #606
    The Highwayman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    sopretty wrote: »
    Would you like me to start with the ovaries, fallopian tubes and womb or should I start with the muscle to fat ratio?

    I said bruise and bleed, we don't need a biology class, or do you dispute what I said?


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    #607
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    P_1 wrote: »
    While violence against anybody isn't a particularly good thing I do think that the black/white rule of 'a man should never hit a woman under any circumstances' is a bit outdated.

    Some women act violently towards men and some women are indeed stronger than some men.

    IMO if somebody attacks you then you can fight back irrespective of the attackers gender.

    Which is fine. Except the OP was not attacked.


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    #608
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    sopretty wrote: »
    Which is fine. Except the OP was not attacked.

    You've made perfectly clear on this thread you wouldn't be fine with it :rolleyes: as far as you're concerned no matter what, if a guy hits a girl then he's in the wrong. Cos god love ya, sure you're only little.


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    #609
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    sopretty wrote: »
    Which is fine. Except the OP was not attacked.

    True, but his friend was.

    If you physically attack somebody then your gender is something you can't hide behind against a physical response.


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    #610
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    GenieOz wrote: »
    You've made perfectly clear on this thread you wouldn't be fine with it :rolleyes: as far as you're concerned no matter what, if a guy hits a girl then he's in the wrong. Cos god love ya, sure you're only little.

    For a little one, I sure can make a point it appears! :eek:


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    #611
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    sopretty wrote: »
    For a little one, I sure can make a point it appears! :eek:

    What's that exactly? All you've shown is that you're sexist tbh.


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    #612
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    GenieOz wrote: »
    What's that exactly? All you've shown is that you're sexist tbh.

    ok


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    #613
    pmy.murphy
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    Animal Cruelty striking a heifer like that. Not cool


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    #614
    Davei141
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    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Yeah, cos hitting girls is "charmer" territory. The hints in the act IMO. I'd lump women who "hit" in the same boat - real classy charmers. It might be old-fashioned, might even be "naive", but I like women who don't hit anyone, and lads who wouldn't hit a girl. The rest, I lump under the "scanger" umbrella, and that's my view.

    And for all the "lads" who reckon hitting a woman is a-ok, fair enough, but top tip, don't do it when me or people of a like mind to me are toddling past, 'cos I'd knock a lump of your head off for the craic/educational purposes and to reinforce your love for old-fashioned stereotypes.;)

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    GenieOz wrote: »
    What's that exactly? All you've shown is that you're sexist tbh.

    Considering sopretty was thanking all Stavros posts about attacking blokes she obviously has no issue with violence, so that only leaves sexism.


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    #615
    Barely There
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    In my view, the only time it's acceptable to hit a woman is if she's become hysterical, in which case a couple of open handed slaps to the face may be appropriate.


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    #616
    Galwayguy35
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    cerastes wrote: »
    The best thing would be to try avoid the kind of situation if possible or worse case if it happens restrain them, maybe put them off balance, unless it was a frenzy, the only women I would step in to defend this in a more extensive way from someone are my wife, my mother and my sister, otherwise you wouldnt know how any party would respond even the person you are trying to defend.
    If it was some kind of sustained attack, Id still probably go for trying to block them, any weapon like a bottle and it was the above people then I think anyone would be justified in something more.
    Its an easy thing to say what to do when you're attacked by suprise as I have been on a few occasions.

    But Id be very wary as a bloke of hitting a woman even if it seemed or was justified in defense of, it could go badly against a bloke, it would want to be a sustained or violent attack. From security, to gardai, scumbag friends of the attacker or even white knights, it could go badly for some bloke doing or thinking they are doing the right thing.

    It's true some lads jump in to defend a woman when they don't know the full story, I was at the bar in a nightclub once ordering a round or drinks, this young one comes up beside me and then grabs one of the drinks and off she goes with it.

    I follow her and take the bottle back off her, she starts shouting and next thing I know 4 lads are around me wanting to kick 7 shades of shíte out of me.


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    #617
    Davei141
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    It's true some lads jump in to defend a woman when they don't know the full story, I was at the bar in a nightclub once ordering a round or drinks, this young one comes up beside me and then grabs one of the drinks and off she goes with it.

    I follow her and take the bottle back off her, she starts shouting and next thing I know 4 lads are around me wanting to kick 7 shades of shíte out of me.

    Stavros was one of them no doubt. In what universe should the attacker be defended by random people? Imagine getting assaulted in an unprovoked attack and you have four complete tools too stupid to apply logic to a situation just jump in the off chance they will get the ride? Absurdly stupid, those life motto's some of guy cling are the reason women will gladly launch unprovoked attacks on people. Out of interest what happened to this four after you told them what happened?


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    #618
    Overheal
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    A female olympist could beat you to death. js


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    #619
    lolosaur
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    Overheal wrote: »
    A female olympist could beat you to death. js


    it shocking the amount of male boxers in the world compared with female boxers.

    they should only be allowed to have the same number of female boxers as men to make it fair.


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    #620
    kiffer
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    Davei141 wrote: »
    Stavros was one of them no doubt. In what universe should the attacker be defended by random people? Imagine getting assaulted in an unprovoked attack and you have four complete tools too stupid to apply logic to a situation just jump in the off chance they will get the ride? Absurdly stupid, those life motto's some of guy clig are the reason women will gladly launch unprovoked attacks on people. Out of interest what happened to this four after you told them what happened?


    Nah... it wouldn't have happened if Stavros was there... with his 6'9'' frame, eyes like fire and hands the size of shovels, and trained wrist grabbing skills he has such a calming effect that the girl would never of had to steel the pint. :)

    It's like in a movie, where no matter how fighty the woman was ten seconds ago grabbing her by the upper arm just stops her fighting...

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandardFemaleGrabArea

    In my experience if you grab a woman who is attacking* you by the wrists, which isn't all that easy, then she just moves on to kneeing you in the balls... yeah, there's probably some proper hold you can do, or if you're tall enough and strong enough that you are holding her such thay she can't but we're sadly not all massive and stacked and trained.


    * this includes play fighting...


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    #621
    jimgoose
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    lolosaur wrote: »
    it shocking the amount of male boxers in the world compared with female boxers.

    they should only be allowed to have the same number of female boxers as men to make it fair.

    True for you. My sister can't wrestle, for example, but you should see her box! :cool:


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    #622
    Davei141
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    kiffer wrote: »
    Nah... it wouldn't have happened if Stavros was there... with his 6'9'' frame, eyes like fire and hands the size of shovels, and trained wrist grabbing skills he has such a calming effect that the girl would never of had to steel the pint. :)

    It has once even been claimed, that Stavros could believe it was not butter.


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    #623
    dark crystal
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    The Highwayman wrote: »
    No he had justification but you as a woman feel he does not.

    Many women who act like this do so because they think they know a man will not hit back, welcome to equality girls.

    Would here be an issue if it were a small guy 5'0 and OP 6'0? no because they are both male. Don't think men and women bruise and bleed differently?

    If you can throw one you can take one,

    I'd feel the same if he started an equally moronic thread looking for justification for hitting a man. Why anyone would want to boast about punching anyone is beyond me; it's just pathetic.

    What's even sadder about it, are the people piling into the thread and patting themselves on the back for being such modern, forward thinking men by stating how they'd also hit a woman if she deserved it.

    So yeah, I reckon it's a really sad fucking thread.


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    #624
    Barely There
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    Davei141 wrote: »
    It has once even been claimed, that Stavros could believe it was not butter.

    When a guy took Stavros' sister's virginity, Stavros found it and put it back in again.


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    #625
    runawaybishop
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    I'd feel the same if he started an equally moronic thread looking for justification for hitting a man. Why anyone would want to boast about punching anyone is beyond me; it's just pathetic.

    What's even sadder about it, are the people piling into the thread and patting themselves on the back for being such modern, forward thinking men by stating how they'd also hit a woman if she deserved it.

    So yeah, I reckon it's a really sad fucking thread.

    People are saying that it was a justified defence of self or others. You might be happy standing around watching your partner or friend get nailed, many wouldn't.


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    #626
    dark crystal
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    People are saying that it was a justified defence of self or others. You might be happy standing around watching your partner or friend get nailed, many wouldn't.

    Yeah, I'd be happy standing around watching that alright. You're dead right.

    Tell you what I wouldn't be happy doing - starting a thread about punching a fat bitch and watching her fall like the Twin Towers.


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    #627
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd be happy standing around watching that alright. You're dead right.

    Tell you what I wouldn't be happy doing - starting a thread about punching a fat bitch and watching her fall like the Twin Towers.

    Grand so, you agree that you'd defend yourself or a partner and that it wouldn't matter if it was a man or a woman who was the aggressor. Is it just the choice of language the op used then?


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    #628
    jimgoose
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    Barely There wrote: »
    When a guy took Stavros' sister's virginity, Stavros found it and put it back in again.

    Legend has it the guy with the sore arse in the old joke about Superman and Wonder-Woman was in fact Stavros. He'll deny it, of course. :cool:


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    #629
    kowloon
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    13505 wrote: »
    Apologies for nitpicking but to be fair, we ARE actually animals. All of us. We are literally animals. Apes in fact. And we are the best damned animals on earth!!

    I think you'll find it's the Green Heron, it's basically the best heron.


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    #630
    efb
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    There are justifiable cases for striking a person when defending yourself or others, this however, is not one of those.


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    #631
    bumper234
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    efb wrote: »
    There are justifiable cases for striking a person when defending yourself, this however, is not one of those.

    You should never defend someone else?


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