Punching a woman - Justified or not? - MOD WARNING FIRST POST

WilyCoyote · 25-04-2014 2:43am

sopretty wrote: »

Is that news to you?

It's history ....... not as in hystery

GenieOz · 25-04-2014 2:45am

sopretty wrote: »

Would you like me to start with the ovaries, fallopian tubes and womb or should I start with the muscle to fat ratio?

Start with the stuff that matters.
Ovaries and Fallopian tubes and complete lack of penis don't.

The muscle mass difference is negligible, you'd swear women only had the strength of a child or something.

sopretty · 25-04-2014 2:46am

WilyCoyote wrote: »

It's history ....... not as in hystery

ya whah?

P_1 · 25-04-2014 2:48am

While violence against anybody isn't a particularly good thing I do think that the black/white rule of 'a man should never hit a woman under any circumstances' is a bit outdated.

Some women act violently towards men and some women are indeed stronger than some men.

IMO if somebody attacks you then you can fight back irrespective of the attackers gender.

The Highwayman · 25-04-2014 2:50am

sopretty wrote: »

Would you like me to start with the ovaries, fallopian tubes and womb or should I start with the muscle to fat ratio?

I said bruise and bleed, we don't need a biology class, or do you dispute what I said?

sopretty · 25-04-2014 2:50am

P_1 wrote: »

While violence against anybody isn't a particularly good thing I do think that the black/white rule of 'a man should never hit a woman under any circumstances' is a bit outdated.

Some women act violently towards men and some women are indeed stronger than some men.

IMO if somebody attacks you then you can fight back irrespective of the attackers gender.

Which is fine. Except the OP was not attacked.

GenieOz · 25-04-2014 2:52am

sopretty wrote: »

Which is fine. Except the OP was not attacked.

You've made perfectly clear on this thread you wouldn't be fine with it :rolleyes: as far as you're concerned no matter what, if a guy hits a girl then he's in the wrong. Cos god love ya, sure you're only little.

P_1 · 25-04-2014 2:53am

sopretty wrote: »

Which is fine. Except the OP was not attacked.

True, but his friend was.

If you physically attack somebody then your gender is something you can't hide behind against a physical response.

sopretty · 25-04-2014 2:53am

GenieOz wrote: »

You've made perfectly clear on this thread you wouldn't be fine with it :rolleyes: as far as you're concerned no matter what, if a guy hits a girl then he's in the wrong. Cos god love ya, sure you're only little.

For a little one, I sure can make a point it appears! :eek:

GenieOz · 25-04-2014 2:55am

sopretty wrote: »

For a little one, I sure can make a point it appears! :eek:

What's that exactly? All you've shown is that you're sexist tbh.

sopretty · 25-04-2014 3:10am

GenieOz wrote: »

What's that exactly? All you've shown is that you're sexist tbh.

ok

pmy.murphy · 25-04-2014 3:15am

Animal Cruelty striking a heifer like that. Not cool

Davei141 · 25-04-2014 3:55am

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Yeah, cos hitting girls is "charmer" territory. The hints in the act IMO. I'd lump women who "hit" in the same boat - real classy charmers. It might be old-fashioned, might even be "naive", but I like women who don't hit anyone, and lads who wouldn't hit a girl. The rest, I lump under the "scanger" umbrella, and that's my view.

And for all the "lads" who reckon hitting a woman is a-ok, fair enough, but top tip, don't do it when me or people of a like mind to me are toddling past, 'cos I'd knock a lump of your head off for the craic/educational purposes and to reinforce your love for old-fashioned stereotypes.;)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48979520.jpg

GenieOz wrote: »

What's that exactly? All you've shown is that you're sexist tbh.

Considering sopretty was thanking all Stavros posts about attacking blokes she obviously has no issue with violence, so that only leaves sexism.

Barely There · 25-04-2014 5:55am

In my view, the only time it's acceptable to hit a woman is if she's become hysterical, in which case a couple of open handed slaps to the face may be appropriate.

Galwayguy35 · 25-04-2014 6:18am

cerastes wrote: »

The best thing would be to try avoid the kind of situation if possible or worse case if it happens restrain them, maybe put them off balance, unless it was a frenzy, the only women I would step in to defend this in a more extensive way from someone are my wife, my mother and my sister, otherwise you wouldnt know how any party would respond even the person you are trying to defend.
If it was some kind of sustained attack, Id still probably go for trying to block them, any weapon like a bottle and it was the above people then I think anyone would be justified in something more.
Its an easy thing to say what to do when you're attacked by suprise as I have been on a few occasions.

But Id be very wary as a bloke of hitting a woman even if it seemed or was justified in defense of, it could go badly against a bloke, it would want to be a sustained or violent attack. From security, to gardai, scumbag friends of the attacker or even white knights, it could go badly for some bloke doing or thinking they are doing the right thing.

It's true some lads jump in to defend a woman when they don't know the full story, I was at the bar in a nightclub once ordering a round or drinks, this young one comes up beside me and then grabs one of the drinks and off she goes with it.

I follow her and take the bottle back off her, she starts shouting and next thing I know 4 lads are around me wanting to kick 7 shades of shíte out of me.

Davei141 · 25-04-2014 7:30am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's true some lads jump in to defend a woman when they don't know the full story, I was at the bar in a nightclub once ordering a round or drinks, this young one comes up beside me and then grabs one of the drinks and off she goes with it.

I follow her and take the bottle back off her, she starts shouting and next thing I know 4 lads are around me wanting to kick 7 shades of shíte out of me.

Stavros was one of them no doubt. In what universe should the attacker be defended by random people? Imagine getting assaulted in an unprovoked attack and you have four complete tools too stupid to apply logic to a situation just jump in the off chance they will get the ride? Absurdly stupid, those life motto's some of guy cling are the reason women will gladly launch unprovoked attacks on people. Out of interest what happened to this four after you told them what happened?

Overheal · 25-04-2014 7:37am

A female olympist could beat you to death. js

lolosaur · 25-04-2014 10:10am

Overheal wrote: »

A female olympist could beat you to death. js

it shocking the amount of male boxers in the world compared with female boxers.

they should only be allowed to have the same number of female boxers as men to make it fair.

kiffer · 25-04-2014 10:16am

Davei141 wrote: »

Stavros was one of them no doubt. In what universe should the attacker be defended by random people? Imagine getting assaulted in an unprovoked attack and you have four complete tools too stupid to apply logic to a situation just jump in the off chance they will get the ride? Absurdly stupid, those life motto's some of guy clig are the reason women will gladly launch unprovoked attacks on people. Out of interest what happened to this four after you told them what happened?

Nah... it wouldn't have happened if Stavros was there... with his 6'9'' frame, eyes like fire and hands the size of shovels, and trained wrist grabbing skills he has such a calming effect that the girl would never of had to steel the pint.

It's like in a movie, where no matter how fighty the woman was ten seconds ago grabbing her by the upper arm just stops her fighting...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandardFemaleGrabArea

In my experience if you grab a woman who is attacking* you by the wrists, which isn't all that easy, then she just moves on to kneeing you in the balls... yeah, there's probably some proper hold you can do, or if you're tall enough and strong enough that you are holding her such thay she can't but we're sadly not all massive and stacked and trained.

* this includes play fighting...

jimgoose · 25-04-2014 10:17am

lolosaur wrote: »

it shocking the amount of male boxers in the world compared with female boxers.

they should only be allowed to have the same number of female boxers as men to make it fair.

True for you. My sister can't wrestle, for example, but you should see her box! :cool:

Davei141 · 25-04-2014 11:20am

kiffer wrote: »

Nah... it wouldn't have happened if Stavros was there... with his 6'9'' frame, eyes like fire and hands the size of shovels, and trained wrist grabbing skills he has such a calming effect that the girl would never of had to steel the pint.

It has once even been claimed, that Stavros could believe it was not butter.

dark crystal · 25-04-2014 12:14pm

The Highwayman wrote: »

No he had justification but you as a woman feel he does not.

Many women who act like this do so because they think they know a man will not hit back, welcome to equality girls.

Would here be an issue if it were a small guy 5'0 and OP 6'0? no because they are both male. Don't think men and women bruise and bleed differently?

If you can throw one you can take one,

I'd feel the same if he started an equally moronic thread looking for justification for hitting a man. Why anyone would want to boast about punching anyone is beyond me; it's just pathetic.

What's even sadder about it, are the people piling into the thread and patting themselves on the back for being such modern, forward thinking men by stating how they'd also hit a woman if she deserved it.

So yeah, I reckon it's a really sad fucking thread.

Barely There · 25-04-2014 12:18pm

Davei141 wrote: »

It has once even been claimed, that Stavros could believe it was not butter.

When a guy took Stavros' sister's virginity, Stavros found it and put it back in again.

runawaybishop · 25-04-2014 12:57pm

dark crystal wrote: »

I'd feel the same if he started an equally moronic thread looking for justification for hitting a man. Why anyone would want to boast about punching anyone is beyond me; it's just pathetic.

What's even sadder about it, are the people piling into the thread and patting themselves on the back for being such modern, forward thinking men by stating how they'd also hit a woman if she deserved it.

So yeah, I reckon it's a really sad fucking thread.

People are saying that it was a justified defence of self or others. You might be happy standing around watching your partner or friend get nailed, many wouldn't.

dark crystal · 25-04-2014 1:03pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

People are saying that it was a justified defence of self or others. You might be happy standing around watching your partner or friend get nailed, many wouldn't.

Yeah, I'd be happy standing around watching that alright. You're dead right.

Tell you what I wouldn't be happy doing - starting a thread about punching a fat bitch and watching her fall like the Twin Towers.

runawaybishop · 25-04-2014 1:49pm

dark crystal wrote: »

Yeah, I'd be happy standing around watching that alright. You're dead right.

Tell you what I wouldn't be happy doing - starting a thread about punching a fat bitch and watching her fall like the Twin Towers.

Grand so, you agree that you'd defend yourself or a partner and that it wouldn't matter if it was a man or a woman who was the aggressor. Is it just the choice of language the op used then?

jimgoose · 25-04-2014 1:59pm

Barely There wrote: »

When a guy took Stavros' sister's virginity, Stavros found it and put it back in again.

Legend has it the guy with the sore arse in the old joke about Superman and Wonder-Woman was in fact Stavros. He'll deny it, of course. :cool:

kowloon · 25-04-2014 2:00pm

13505 wrote: »

Apologies for nitpicking but to be fair, we ARE actually animals. All of us. We are literally animals. Apes in fact. And we are the best damned animals on earth!!

I think you'll find it's the Green Heron, it's basically the best heron.

efb · 25-04-2014 2:01pm

There are justifiable cases for striking a person when defending yourself or others, this however, is not one of those.

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 2:02pm

efb wrote: »

There are justifiable cases for striking a person when defending yourself, this however, is not one of those.

You should never defend someone else?

efb · 25-04-2014 2:04pm

bumper234 wrote: »

You should never defend someone else?

Fixed that

runawaybishop · 25-04-2014 2:05pm

efb wrote: »

There are justifiable cases for striking a person when defending yourself or others, this however, is not one of those.

Why not? Is getting punched in the face by surprise and unprovoked not enough to warrant defense?

efb · 25-04-2014 4:47pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Why not? Is getting punched in the face by surprise and unprovoked not enough to warrant defense?

Once no. It's not a defence them it's retaliation

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 4:57pm

efb wrote: »

Once no. It's not a defence them it's retaliation

And how would you know that the attack is only going to consist of one punch? Do you ask the attacker if they are finished or do they intend to continue the assault?

MrWard · 25-04-2014 4:59pm

efb wrote: »

Once no. It's not a defence them it's retaliation

The posters friend was struck unprovoked and knocked to the ground. What was he meant to do? Leave her there in the hope the attacker didnt strike her again and go look for security?

efb · 25-04-2014 5:10pm

MrWard wrote: »

The posters friend was struck unprovoked and knocked to the ground. What was he meant to do? Leave her there in the hope the attacker didnt strike her again and go look for security?

Restrain her?

Czarcasm · 25-04-2014 5:11pm

MrWard wrote: »

The posters friend was struck unprovoked and knocked to the ground. What was he meant to do? Leave her there in the hope the attacker didnt strike her again and go look for security?

Firstly, you only have the OP's word that the attack was unprovoked, and secondly, the more immediate instinct would be to have gotten his friend out of there, not to retaliate with his fists, unless of course as he later admitted himself, he wanted to teach "the fat cnut" a lesson.

GenieOz · 25-04-2014 5:20pm

efb wrote: »

Restrain her?

And this would be your choice of solution had it been a man?

tritium · 25-04-2014 5:22pm

efb wrote: »

Restrain her?

How many people who use this line have actually tried to restrain a violent attacker? Its not really like in the movies, its actually pretty difficult, especially if you're physically weaker and have no specific training.

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 5:24pm

efb wrote: »

Restrain her?

When was the last time you attempted to restrain someone? How did you go about it? What training had you?

efb · 25-04-2014 5:27pm

bumper234 wrote: »

When was the last time you attempted to restrain someone? How did you go about it? What training had you?

As a qualified boxing ref, I have a knowledge of stopping someone punching someone else. What qualification had the op in punching for self defence??,

efb · 25-04-2014 5:28pm

GenieOz wrote: »

And this would be your choice of solution had it been a man?

Yes. I diffuse the situation first, then attempt to restrain them if required. Punching them isn't v high on the list

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 5:32pm

efb wrote: »

As a qualified boxing ref, I have a knowledge of stopping someone punching someone else. What qualification had the op in punching for self defence??,

Lmao

Standing in between 2 boxers in a ring who observe the Marquis of Queensbury rules is a little different to a nightclub brawl. How would you have PHYSICALLY restrained the person?

efb · 25-04-2014 5:34pm

bumper234 wrote: »

Lmao

Standing in between 2 boxers in a ring who observe the Marquis of Queensbury rules is a little different to a nightclub brawl. How would you have PHYSICALLY restrained the person?

They don't always play by the rules. Grabbing their arms is the most obvious method

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 5:36pm

efb wrote: »

They don't always play by the rules. Grabbing their arms is the most obvious method

I would actually pay good money to watch you attempt that in the middle.of a nightclub.

efb · 25-04-2014 5:37pm

bumper234 wrote: »

I would actually pay good money to watch you attempt that in the middle.of a nightclub.

I'd rather not.

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 5:38pm

efb wrote: »

I'd rather not.

Yeah best you don't. It wouldn't work out like it does in the ring

GenieOz · 25-04-2014 5:45pm

efb wrote: »

They don't always play by the rules. Grabbing their arms is the most obvious method

And unless you're a man mountain and they're quite small it isn't gonna work.

cerastes · 25-04-2014 6:20pm

efb wrote: »

They don't always play by the rules. Grabbing their arms is the most obvious method

So , you could get headbutted easily that way it seems
or move in close to prevent that and you could be bitten, lip, ear, face somewhere.
plus you're not going to have someone else sneak up behind you and give you a dig in a ring, you're two hands are occupied, how you going to fend off another attacker while holding onto this one?
just considering the possibilities, soon as you let go of the first person, nothing to stop them trying to hit you, Id consider putting space between them and me or the victim a better option.

Best thing is avoid the situation if possible
if not, fend them off while drawing attention and hope someone else gets help or call for help, not worth getting glassed or sideswiped by some hero or worse, getting blamed for a situation you were not responsible for, security may have seen this before but bets are they will take the side of who seems to be the victim or as I have seen on occasion, not give a damn who is the victim, meaning the attacker will just be thrown out and no penalty, Gardai wont be interested either, especially if its a woman doiing the attacking unless its particularily vicious and clear someone has a serious injury, which might not be obvious if a person got knocked to the ground and banged their head.

beano345 · 25-04-2014 6:30pm

Davei141 wrote: »

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Considering sopretty was thanking all Stavros posts about attacking blokes she obviously has no issue with violence, so that only leaves sexism.

Stavros can cash in his white knight points for sex off his two groupies who followed him around thanking his posts....while not realising what hypocrites they are

Punching a woman - Justified or not? - MOD WARNING FIRST POST

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