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Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    Vincents look dangerous when they're going for goal..

    Castlebar need to give Moran some high balls in and let him win them as he has the beating of his man.

    Hopefully castlebar can do it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,266 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Cbar look the more balanced team BUT look like conceding a goal on every Vincent's Attack. Think Cbar will need at least one goal to win it. Barry Moran will surely set up at least one......... On another note I'm watching it in an east Galway pub.
    First match the patrons were shouting against Portumna......now against Cbar !


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    Surprised Tom Cunniffe is marking Mossy Quinn. Would have thought he's the most suited defender to take on Connollys strength. Mossy Quinn has never been at Connollys level from play. Connolly is a player you have to do your utmost to stop early in the game. 'Confidence player' tag was invented for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    km79 wrote: »
    ...... On another note I'm watching it in an east Galway pub
    First match the patrons were shouting against Portumna......now against Cbar !


    How sad is that :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Ok im confused, cbar player sprinting towards goal gets dragged down and theres no black card ???


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    Holmes needs to act immediately and get Cunniffe on Connolly. It's the clear problem.


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    Castlebar backs been given a lesson....look stuck to the ground so so slow.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    km79 wrote: »
    Cbar look the more balanced team BUT look like conceding a goal on every Vincent's Attack. Think Cbar will need at least one goal to win it. Barry Moran will surely set up at least one......... On another note I'm watching it in an east Galway pub.
    First match the patrons were shouting against Portumna......now against Cbar !

    Doesn't surprise me, love sheep hate Mayo down there ;)


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    There's another one, terrible defending.....going to cost Castlebar the game.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    There's another one, terrible defending.....going to cost Castlebar the game.

    Awful stuff at the back. Going to certainly cost them the game.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Kicking it away. Should be level now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    Connolly running the show, with scores and 1-2's. Repeating myself but it's that simple mismatch which has lost this game.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Connolly running the show, with scores and 1-2's. Repeating myself but it's that simple mismatch which has lost this game.

    Absolutely, considering whats going on with him, he doesn't deserve to be on a pitch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    Didn't hear of any big incident with Connolly. Top class players need to be marked by top level backs. So naively simple and yet Holmes has missed it.


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    Don't deserve it, the forwards could only cover for the backs for so long.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Didn't hear of any big incident with Connolly. Top class players need to be marked by top level backs. So naively simple and yet Holmes has missed it.

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dublin-star-diarmuid-connolly-ordered-to-undergo-anger-management-29962027.html

    Don't deserve it, the forwards could only cover for the backs for so long.

    Much too lose, look out on their feet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    I was referring to any big incident in the game, thought you meant ref should have pulled him for something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    It was a joke how much space connolly got. Turbo should have been marking him or even drop another player in to watch him.

    It didn't exactly help matters losing arguably your best player after four minutes either.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    It was a joke how much space connolly got. Turbo should have been marking him or even drop another player in to watch him.

    It didn't exactly help matters losing arguably your best player after four minutes either.

    True but Richie should know so much better. Better team Vincents.


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    11 points to 3 for the last 18 minutes. Who was watching, i mean who was marking Connolly ? Connolly scored 2-5.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    yop wrote: »
    True but Richie should know so much better. Better team Vincents.

    Without a doubt. Goals Goals Goals, they know no other way. Good game....

    vins_bg.jpg


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    STB wrote: »
    Without a doubt. Goals Goals Goals, they know no other way. Good game....

    vins_bg.jpg

    No need to gloat now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    yop wrote: »
    True but Richie should know so much better. Better team Vincents.

    I still think it's a harsh black to give after a couple of minutes into a club final. Common sense would have been to give a yellow and tell him it's his last chance. Hard not to feel sorry for feeney given what he did to get castlebar there and the saga that surrounded him last September.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    I still think it's a harsh black to give after a couple of minutes into a club final. Common sense would have been to give a yellow and tell him it's his last chance. Hard not to feel sorry for feeney given what he did to get castlebar there and the saga that surrounded him last September.

    I know BUT by the letter of the law its a black, its not that he even stood his ground, he went in to take him out.
    Crazy thing to do, could wreck his season now, hope it doesn't but its been a bad 6 months for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    I still think it's a harsh black to give after a couple of minutes into a club final. Common sense would have been to give a yellow and tell him it's his last chance. Hard not to feel sorry for feeney given what he did to get castlebar there and the saga that surrounded him last September.

    Not a hope, it was an absolutely stone wall black card completely brought on himself. It would have been a shocking decision not to give him the line.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    yop wrote: »
    I know BUT by the letter of the law its a black, its not that he even stood his ground, he went in to take him out.
    Crazy thing to do, could wreck his season now, hope it doesn't but its been a bad 6 months for him.

    It's not a great law if this is what it brings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    yop wrote: »
    No need to gloat now

    Not at all, like I said its was a good game.

    Any team that beats Crokes are a good team. Just up against a goal machine. Quite a few of the Vinnies lads with multiple medals this year at provincial, county, league and AI levels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Not a hope, it was an absolutely stone wall black card completely brought on himself. It would have been a shocking decision not to give him the line.

    Some common sense would have seen him issued with a yellow. Referees often give players a lesser punishment early on in games.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    STB wrote: »
    Not at all, like I said its was a good game.

    Any team that beats Crokes are a good team. Just up against a goal machine. Quite a few of the Vinnies lads with multiple medals this year at provincial, county, league and AI levels.

    Ah ya, I forgot the ;) .

    Who is that, Brennan, Connolly, Fennel?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    It is a great law if the standard of the match overall is what it brings. The pace of counter attacking, number of goals etc. would be difficult under the old rules. Refs will get Black card decisions right/wrong etc. Big name players will be lost in their first ever All Ireland appearances, in my view it is worth it for the overall improvement in the game.
    Managers need to get a new philosophy on defence. Defenders need to be pacey and not have a tendency to foul.
    The bodychecking alone that has been removed from the game, that has taken a huge obstacle out of the path of attacking football.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭h2005


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Not a hope, it was an absolutely stone wall black card completely brought on himself. It would have been a shocking decision not to give him the line.

    Not quite a stone wall decision. The rule states you must deviate from your line which he didnt. Still a really stupid challenge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    h2005 wrote: »
    Not quite a stone wall decision. The rule states you must deviate from your line which he didnt. Still a really stupid challenge.

    That's not correct.

    http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/

    Cynical Behaviour Fouls
    1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
    2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
    3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
    4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
    5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    Some common sense would have seen him issued with a yellow. Referees often give players a lesser punishment early on in games.

    Depends who you ask I suppose. Common sense to me would have involved Feeney not making the tackle, but as he did common sense dictates that when you've brought in a rule to specifically stop something, and a player does it blatantly straight in front of the ref, you apply the rule.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Depends who you ask I suppose. Common sense to me would have involved Feeney not making the tackle, but as he did common sense dictates that when you've brought in a rule to specifically stop something, and a player does it blatantly straight in front of the ref, you apply the rule.

    Absolutely, daftness of the highest regard from a player who should know better.
    Its a rule change which has to be welcomed as it has blighted our game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭harpsman


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    It's not a great law if this is what it brings.

    You re a bit late there cottoning on to that. Was obvious as a year ago that exactly this sort of thing would happen. Its not the only problem with the black card. Mayo will have to adapt their style of play as they do this alot


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭harpsman


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    Some common sense would have seen him issued with a yellow. Referees often give players a lesser punishment early on in games.

    Yes. Common sense would involve not applying the rules for say the first 5 minutes, 10 maybe. Likewise if Brennan or Connolly had punched a Castlebar player after 5 minutes a yellow and warning would suffice.( Im being sarcastic btw)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Really thought Mitchels were going to push on and win after Kirby got the goal, weak defense cost them the game. No exaggeration, Vincents could have had about 5 more goals were it not for the keeper and poor shot selection. County players didn't shine today but Mitchels should have had them on the ropes at the end of the first half, instead more soft goals have cost Mayo a final, I know it's a cliche at this stage but it's true. It was evident from very early on that the backs were completely pourous but nothing was done


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Great effort by the Mitchels lads today,came up against an exceptionally good team in St. Vincent's today.Shame re Richie Feeney's deserved black card.Ran out of Croker so I missed Ger Brennan's speech!:(

    Anyway looking forward to a return trip to Croker in a fortnight's time,I think we need to put a marker down for later in the year and win that game.The corresponding fixture last year was a cracker,Bernard Brogan singlehandlely won it for the Dubs,absolutely roasted Ger Cafferkey.We should'nt be depending on a win against Derry the following week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    STB wrote: »
    Without a doubt. Goals Goals Goals, they know no other way. Good game....

    vins_bg.jpg

    Wrong thread mate


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Really thought Mitchels were going to push on and win after Kirby got the goal, weak defense cost them the game. No exaggeration, Vincents could have had about 5 more goals were it not for the keeper and poor shot selection. County players didn't shine today but Mitchels should have had them on the ropes at the end of the first half, instead more soft goals have cost Mayo a final, I know it's a cliche at this stage but it's true. It was evident from very early on that the backs were completely pourous but nothing was done

    I was really surprised Eoghan Reilly was'nt switched off Connolly at an early stage.:confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    harpsman wrote: »
    Yes. Common sense would involve not applying the rules for say the first 5 minutes, 10 maybe. Likewise if Brennan or Connolly had punched a Castlebar player after 5 minutes a yellow and warning would suffice.( Im being sarcastic btw)

    A punch is a straight red and no referee would ever give someone the benefit of the doubt if caught - so no need for your hyperbole. Where are you from yourself btw, you always came across bitter enough in regards to Mayo Gaa, hope we gave you a good beating recently ;)

    Fair enough you can't complain about the ref applying the rules but he was hardly consistent with his black card either - as Pat Holmes rightly pointed out today.

    I'm not a fan of the black card but there's no use complaining as it's here to stay but any rule that puts off a player in the first few minutes of a final for a harmless challenge is hardly perfect. People who say feeney should have known better has a point but he's played the game for 20+ years without this rule, with the adrenaline in the opening minutes of a final rushing through you, it's not inconceivable that a player would lose his head a little. It's a sickener for him.

    Btw the best team won yesterday. Castlebar can have no complaints with the scoreline.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭harpsman


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    A punch is a straight red and no referee would ever give someone the benefit of the doubt if caught - so no need for your hyperbole. Where are you from yourself btw, you always came across bitter enough in regards to Mayo Gaa, hope we gave you a good beating recently ;)

    Fair enough you can't complain about the ref applying the rules but he was hardly consistent with his black card either - as Pat Holmes rightly pointed out today.

    I'm not a fan of the black card but there's no use complaining as it's here to stay but any rule that puts off a player in the first few minutes of a final for a harmless challenge is hardly perfect. People who say feeney should have known better has a point but he's played the game for 20+ years without this rule, with the adrenaline in the opening minutes of a final rushing through you, it's not inconceivable that a player would lose his head a little. It's a sickener for him.

    Btw the best team won yesterday. Castlebar can have no complaints with the scoreline.
    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Somebodys not had their nap today;). Where am i from?? Heres some clues: I ve seen 2 of my countymen lifting the Sam Maguire on Septembers 3rd Sunday, both times we beat Mayo en route. We ve a 100% win ratio in finals and one of our captains father was a Mayo man?! (So yes Im really bitter about Mayo) Now, back to business: I agree with you that the black card is stupid, its just really going to annoy me every time I hear the penny dropping with the slow learners over the course of the season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    harpsman wrote: »
    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Somebodys not had their nap today;). Where am i from?? Heres some clues: I ve seen 2 of my countymen lifting the Sam Maguire on Septembers 3rd Sunday, both times we beat Mayo en route. We ve a 100% win ratio in finals and one of our captains father was a Mayo man?! (So yes Im really bitter about Mayo) Now, back to business: I agree with you that the black card is stupid, its just really going to annoy me every time I hear the penny dropping with the slow learners over the course of the season.

    I've gotten my nap now harpsman, all is good!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    There are far more positives to the black card than negatives. Refereeing inconsistencies already existed for red n yellow cards, over carrying, crowding around man on the ground etc.
    About the only subtle change required is a stricter application of the overcarrying rules to prevent forwards running through legitimate tackling with 6/7 steps. The kick or solo has to be on the 4th step or free out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    There are far more positives to the black card than negatives. Refereeing inconsistencies already existed for red n yellow cards, over carrying, crowding around man on the ground etc.
    About the only subtle change required is a stricter application of the overcarrying rules to prevent forwards running through legitimate tackling with 6/7 steps. The kick or solo has to be on the 4th step or free out.

    Enforcing over-carrying properly is almost impossible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭harpsman


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    I've gotten my nap now harpsman, all is good!
    I know you Mayomen like your naps-my dads one!

    Really think they should have gone with the sin bin. A black card like Feeneys is too punitive.
    On the other hand a black card with 5 minutes left is very little punishment.
    I could go on and on about other issues I have but I ll get myself annoyed:mad:

    Im presuming that if youve made 5 subs and you get a black card you cant bring on a sub


  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭newholland


    harpsman wrote: »
    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Somebodys not had their nap today;). Where am i from?? Heres some clues: I ve seen 2 of my countymen lifting the Sam Maguire on Septembers 3rd Sunday, both times we beat Mayo en route. We ve a 100% win ratio in finals and one of our captains father was a Mayo man?! (So yes Im really bitter about Mayo) Now, back to business: I agree with you that the black card is stupid, its just really going to annoy me every time I hear the penny dropping with the slow learners over the course of the season.

    Why do Donegal people think they are such an elite footballing county. You should be banned for trolling


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    Syferus wrote: »
    Enforcing over-carrying properly is almost impossible.
    Agreed it is difficult, but it could be pinged more than it is. Refs allow the forward to break out from aggressive tackling commonly. Either give a free for improper tackling or reward the defender for forcing the over carry.
    I wonder which player is going to use the new definition of the bounce solo to Lebron James it through a defence. Can multiple bounce it basketball style as long as do not take the ball into posession.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Agreed it is difficult, but it could be pinged more than it is. Refs allow the forward to break out from aggressive tackling commonly. Either give a free for improper tackling or reward the defender for forcing the over carry.
    I wonder which player is going to use the new definition of the bounce solo to Lebron James it through a defence. Can multiple bounce it basketball style as long as do not take the ball into posession.

    Have they changed that now too!!!! Feckin hell you'd want a booklet with you at the games to keep track of all the changes!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭davegrohl48


    harpsman wrote: »
    I know you Mayomen like your naps-my dads one!

    Really think they should have gone with the sin bin. A black card like Feeneys is too punitive.
    On the other hand a black card with 5 minutes left is very little punishment.
    I could go on and on about other issues I have but I ll get myself annoyed:mad:

    Im presuming that if youve made 5 subs and you get a black card you cant bring on a sub
    There are now 6 subs. Really everyone should checkout the video on youtube Gaelic Football Rule changes 2014 It will explain some of the misconceptions about more than just black card


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