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Can we ignore the fact thought that the Mayo forwards have been scoring very heavily in the league? So surely the Mayo half forward line have performed well? Full backline and midfield with their inconsistency have looked much weaker. Mixing the bad for ten minutes with the brilliant for ten minutes won't win the All Ireland.
- Both Gallaghers have played well (Adam Gallagher was placed in corner versus Westmeath)
- Kevin McGloughlin has played well
- Jason Doherty has played well
- Keith Higgins is still finding his feet is fair enough comment I think
The problem is simply conceding a lot of scores to the opposition full forward line. Sometimes it is a matter of just being simplistic about it and solving just one glaring problem.
It's down to ability to deal with the 1 on 1's. Overall in the full backline options that is Cunniffe and Higgins who are best suited. Barrett will struggle with a taller forward. McHale struggles with fast smaller forwards. Harrisson is improving but he was taken for 3 quick points by Hurley. That is unheard of in Higgins/Cunniffe career. He hasn't been a dominating defender in any game so far.
I don't see that Higgins would have enough of a gap in terms of impact on the scoreboard through winning possession/assists/scores at half forward versus the turnovers, blocks, tackling, counter attacking he can do at 4. The gap I see is that 2 or 3 times a game Higgins will make a tackle or block that not many other defenders would make. He can mark any type of forward even up to the power n size of OGara which he has done twice in championship. Higgins is surprisingly strong for his size. Means you can leave the three settled at Cunniffe/Cafferkey/Higgins. Rather than having to switch McHale in for bigger corner forwards.
The major problem with a full backline of Cunniffe/Cafferkey/Harrison is you don't have a player who the other defenders and goalkeeper can use to start the counter attack. Rewatch Mayo - Dublin 2012 and Higgins being the starting point for Mayo's counter attacks was a major reason for the victory combined with him also turning over ball that not too many no. 4.s would have turned over.
Cunniffe is fast and runs direct but he telegraphs where play is going. Cafferkey is far too hesitant and often gets turned over or misplaces the pass. Cafferkey is good to win the ball back but he is aware of his limitations and seeks out a simple handpass option. Harrison is far too inexperienced to be able to direct operations in Croke Park in front of 82,000 people.
Higgins in that same role will come out at pace towards the first tackler and use the bounce solo to switch left or right. Every opposition manager knows this and yet no one ever manages to stop him. He manages to never lose possession while doing this.
To top it off he has the charging runs the odd time to midfield or beyond and now and then he will launch a long kickpass that is top drawer. 2012 Semi Final there is a 60 yard pass to Michael Conroy that surprised even Conroy so much he panicked from 21 yards and missed the point.
Anyways those are some counter points 0 -
davegrohl48 wrote: »Can we ignore the fact thought that the Mayo forwards have been scoring very heavily in the league? So surely the Mayo half forward line have performed well? Full backline and midfield with their inconsistency have looked much weaker. Mixing the bad for ten minutes with the brilliant for ten minutes won't win the All Ireland.
- Both Gallaghers have played well (Adam Gallagher was placed in corner versus Westmeath)
- Kevin McGloughlin has played well
- Jason Doherty has played well
- Keith Higgins is still finding his feet is fair enough comment I think
The problem is simply conceding a lot of scores to the opposition full forward line. Sometimes it is a matter of just being simplistic about it and solving just one glaring problem.
It's down to ability to deal with the 1 on 1's. Overall in the full backline options that is Cunniffe and Higgins who are best suited. Barrett will struggle with a taller forward. McHale struggles with fast smaller forwards. Harrisson is improving but he was taken for 3 quick points by Hurley. That is unheard of in Higgins/Cunniffe career. He hasn't been a dominating defender in any game so far.
I don't see that Higgins would have enough of a gap in terms of impact on the scoreboard through winning possession/assists/scores at half forward versus the turnovers, blocks, tackling, counter attacking he can do at 4. The gap I see is that 2 or 3 times a game Higgins will make a tackle or block that not many other defenders would make. He can mark any type of forward even up to the power n size of OGara which he has done twice in championship. Higgins is surprisingly strong for his size. Means you can leave the three settled at Cunniffe/Cafferkey/Higgins. Rather than having to switch McHale in for bigger corner forwards.
The major problem with a full backline of Cunniffe/Cafferkey/Harrison is you don't have a player who the other defenders and goalkeeper can use to start the counter attack. Rewatch Mayo - Dublin 2012 and Higgins being the starting point for Mayo's counter attacks was a major reason for the victory combined with him also turning over ball that not too many no. 4.s would have turned over.
Cunniffe is fast and runs direct but he telegraphs where play is going. Cafferkey is far too hesitant and often gets turned over or misplaces the pass. Cafferkey is good to win the ball back but he is aware of his limitations and seeks out a simple handpass option. Harrison is far too inexperienced to be able to direct operations in Croke Park in front of 82,000 people.
Higgins in that same role will come out at pace towards the first tackler and use the bounce solo to switch left or right. Every opposition manager knows this and yet no one ever manages to stop him. He manages to never lose possession while doing this.
To top it off he has the charging runs the odd time to midfield or beyond and now and then he will launch a long kickpass that is top drawer. 2012 Semi Final there is a 60 yard pass to Michael Conroy that surprised even Conroy so much he panicked from 21 yards and missed the point.
Anyways those are some counter points
Excellent post Dave,can see both of the arguments and identify with our undoubted frailties in the half forward line but I definitely think we get more out of Keith Higgins at corner back.Looks like James Horan is seriously looking at persisting with Keith Higgins in the half forward line in the long term.0 -
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davegrohl48 wrote: »Can we ignore the fact thought that the Mayo forwards have been scoring very heavily in the league? So surely the Mayo half forward line have performed well? Full backline and midfield with their inconsistency have looked much weaker. Mixing the bad for ten minutes with the brilliant for ten minutes won't win the All Ireland.
- Both Gallaghers have played well (Adam Gallagher was placed in corner versus Westmeath)
- Kevin McGloughlin has played well
- Jason Doherty has played well
- Keith Higgins is still finding his feet is fair enough comment I think
The problem is simply conceding a lot of scores to the opposition full forward line. Sometimes it is a matter of just being simplistic about it and solving just one glaring problem.
It's down to ability to deal with the 1 on 1's. Overall in the full backline options that is Cunniffe and Higgins who are best suited. Barrett will struggle with a taller forward. McHale struggles with fast smaller forwards. Harrisson is improving but he was taken for 3 quick points by Hurley. That is unheard of in Higgins/Cunniffe career. He hasn't been a dominating defender in any game so far.
I don't see that Higgins would have enough of a gap in terms of impact on the scoreboard through winning possession/assists/scores at half forward versus the turnovers, blocks, tackling, counter attacking he can do at 4. The gap I see is that 2 or 3 times a game Higgins will make a tackle or block that not many other defenders would make. He can mark any type of forward even up to the power n size of OGara which he has done twice in championship. Higgins is surprisingly strong for his size. Means you can leave the three settled at Cunniffe/Cafferkey/Higgins. Rather than having to switch McHale in for bigger corner forwards.
The major problem with a full backline of Cunniffe/Cafferkey/Harrison is you don't have a player who the other defenders and goalkeeper can use to start the counter attack. Rewatch Mayo - Dublin 2012 and Higgins being the starting point for Mayo's counter attacks was a major reason for the victory combined with him also turning over ball that not too many no. 4.s would have turned over.
Cunniffe is fast and runs direct but he telegraphs where play is going. Cafferkey is far too hesitant and often gets turned over or misplaces the pass. Cafferkey is good to win the ball back but he is aware of his limitations and seeks out a simple handpass option. Harrison is far too inexperienced to be able to direct operations in Croke Park in front of 82,000 people.
Higgins in that same role will come out at pace towards the first tackler and use the bounce solo to switch left or right. Every opposition manager knows this and yet no one ever manages to stop him. He manages to never lose possession while doing this.
To top it off he has the charging runs the odd time to midfield or beyond and now and then he will launch a long kickpass that is top drawer. 2012 Semi Final there is a 60 yard pass to Michael Conroy that surprised even Conroy so much he panicked from 21 yards and missed the point.
Anyways those are some counter points
Great post.
But overall I think you have more options at the back with Barrett, fit obviously, McHale and Harrison than you have at half forward, thus Higgins is likely to stay at half forward.
A man once suggested to me that you play him at center back in Lacey type roll.0
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