Mayweather v Canelo Alvarez September 14th

Strongbow10 · 26-08-2013 4:55pm

wadacrack wrote: »

Mayweather has alot more personality than many other boxers.Its why hes so popular on facebook twitter etc

Does he really? He seems to be on auto pilot, same spiel every time.

He very rarely strings a coherent sentence together, all soundbites and catchphrases. Hes not someone you can imagine sitting down with and chatting to about boxing.

Supremely talented but not the most interesting of characters.

As for the "followers" on twitter and facebook and the like, never before have I seen anyone attract as many gobsh*tes (who usually think they are a member of his gang or the "money team") who know sweet f-all about boxing. Its amazing stuff.

wadacrack · 26-08-2013 5:18pm

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Does he really? He seems to be on auto pilot, same spiel every time.

He very rarely strings a coherent sentence together, all soundbites and catchphrases. Hes not someone you can imagine sitting down with and chatting to about boxing.

Supremely talented but not the most interesting of characters.

As for the "followers" on twitter and facebook and the like, never before have I seen anyone attract as many gobsh*tes (who usually think they are a member of his gang or the "money team") who know sweet f-all about boxing. Its amazing stuff.

True.But what boxers are interesting to listen to ! Alot of fans like the brash arrogant type of personality its what Mayweather plays on

Strongbow10 · 26-08-2013 5:26pm

wadacrack wrote: »

True.But what boxers are interesting to listen to ! Alot of fans like the brash arrogant type of personality its what Mayweather plays on

there are many that are interesting to listen to. Some use the trash talk as a marketing tool but behind all of the guff theres actually quite intelligent and interesting characters.

Mayweather doesn't have this

He is a simply magnificent boxer though, its just an observation

cowzerp · 26-08-2013 6:08pm

No reason why he'd be dehydrated in the pic at ball, I reckon he is ready to rock and just has water weight to cut now, This is pretty standard anyway-I'm interested to seeing him been a bit more mobile and quick, Personally I think he's always a bit to stocky and it slow's him down, the main thing for me is whether he keeps his power or not-The increase in speed might make up for the decrease in weight.

walshb · 26-08-2013 7:27pm

cowzerp wrote: »

No reason why he'd be dehydrated in the pic at ball, I reckon he is ready to rock and just has water weight to cut now, This is pretty standard anyway-I'm interested to seeing him been a bit more mobile and quick, Personally I think he's always a bit to stocky and it slow's him down, the main thing for me is whether he keeps his power or not-The increase in speed might make up for the decrease in weight.

Do you think he's at 167 lbs in the foto?

walshb · 26-08-2013 7:36pm

Does that Rafael (little runt of an owl fella) from Floyd's camp bug the **** out of anyone else?

boxer.fan · 26-08-2013 8:33pm

That's the cutman. The little b****x acts like a real moneyteam homey & it doesn't really fit right.
Thanks to Floyd's talent he's had feck all to do over the years. I can't remember Floyd ever getting cut??

Strongbow10 · 26-08-2013 8:53pm

boxer.fan wrote: »

That's the cutman. The little b****x acts like a real moneyteam homey & it doesn't really fit right.
Thanks to Floyd's talent he's had feck all to do over the years. I can't remember Floyd ever getting cut??

what the hell are you on about? :rolleyes:

as opposed to those real "moneyteam" homies?

Talib Fiasco · 26-08-2013 8:58pm

A real moneyteam homey....lol that was good...oh mercy!

EireIceMan · 27-08-2013 10:09pm

wadacrack wrote: »

Mayweather has alot more personality than many other boxers.Its why hes so popular on facebook twitter etc

I follow him on twitter. All the feck he tweets is '#themoneyteam' or one promoting his gear every few days. Hardly alot more personality than most boxers on twitter. At least other boxers say something on the feckin thing.
And the amount of retweets he gets for just '#themoneyteam' is comical.

Gorman700 · 27-08-2013 10:21pm

If people think mayweather has personality and charisma, they need a wake up!

The man is a broken record, hard work dedication bla bla.
Rolex's every time he's on tv. All his cars are white. Trains late at night. He's a pain in the bollix is all he is.

Other boxers are waaaaaaay more interesting. Cotto for one, great family guy who displays none of the distasteful trappings (except for his monstrous article truck he spins about in) of his wealth.

FTA69 · 28-08-2013 10:04am

Tyson Fury is easily the most entertaining fighter out there today. Any man who stands up after a fight and starts singing cheesy songs by Ricky Van Shelton is A-OK by me.

runman · 28-08-2013 1:07pm

Any link to the 24/7 episode?

runman · 28-08-2013 1:09pm

Got it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IftpcSuOYcc

cowzerp · 28-08-2013 1:28pm

walshb wrote: »

Do you think he's at 167 lbs in the foto?

he's within his water cutting zone, that could be 10-20lbs over the set weight.

pretty standard.

28-08-2013 2:07pm

Is this on boxnation or btsport because the all access show was on bt sport last night?

Doesnt make sense for them to show that and not the fight.

Dick phelan · 29-08-2013 2:30pm

Mayweather has very little charisma, his fans are the most cringworthy in all sports, TMT ect as if they are in floyds group lol, same with Broner neither have much charisma just the same crap over and over, fighters with real charisma, Fury, Paulie ect these are guys with actual charisma that you just want to watch, both are guys who can talk and not just the same stuff over and over, you can also tell both have a real knowledge of boxing and i would love to have a chat with them about the sport it isnt just useless trash talk and crap about money.

Strongbow10 · 29-08-2013 2:31pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

Mayweather has very little charisma, his fans are the most cringworthy in all sports, TMT ect as if they are in floyds group lol, same with Broner neither have much charisma just the same crap over and over, fighters with real charisma, Fury, Paulie ect these are guys with actual charisma that you just want to watch, both are guys who can talk and not just the same stuff over and over, you can also tell both have a real knowledge of boxing and i would love to have a chat with them about the sport it isnt just useless trash talk and crap about money.

In fairness, Mayweather would have a great knowledge of boxing but I just don't think he is in the slightest bit articulate about it.

fsfg · 01-09-2013 11:41am

Gorman700 wrote: »

If people think mayweather has personality and charisma, they need a wake up!

The man is a broken record, hard work dedication bla bla.
Rolex's every time he's on tv. All his cars are white. Trains late at night. He's a pain in the bollix is all he is.

Other boxers are waaaaaaay more interesting. Cotto for one, great family guy who displays none of the distasteful trappings (except for his monstrous article truck he spins about in) of his wealth.

He knows what he is doing. He has placed himself in the ideal position where half the people love him and the other half hate him. The traits you are moaning about draws other people in but either way people are not indifferent.

It's all an act and it is working. I would imagine he will be a totally different character once retired for real

fsfg · 01-09-2013 11:44am

I'm also confused what you find Cotto more intriguing? He is a family man that doesn't show of his wealth- so what?

By the way Cotto may be my favourite fighter

Gorman700 · 01-09-2013 1:38pm

fsfg wrote: »

I'm also confused what you find Cotto more intriguing? He is a family man that doesn't show of his wealth- so what?

By the way Cotto may be my favourite fighter

So what?

It tells me he's a grounded down to earth guy. That is the kind of sportsman I like, no frills, real guy. I think your mistaken to think that Floyd will drop the flash when he retires. He'll still be at it, just won't be televised. He'll be broke by 50. Even 50 cent says he goes almost broke between fights! And he used to be his best mate!

I'm not hating on Mayweather as a boxer by the way, just as a man. He's everything I dislike but in the ring he is something we'll likely never see again!

TheKingslayer · 01-09-2013 1:38pm

Floyd's mental aspect is unmatched,whatever mistake he makes once he does not make again.The man is like a computer in the ring he calculates everything and whatever you think you are having success with he takes away. Add in to that he is down right tough,when you actually hit him he is disgusted with himself and wants to punish you,there is no fighter alive that can defeat him,NONE!!!.Floyd is the best and even at 36 is too fast,too crafty and too smart.He works harder than any fighter and on top of that he studies you,he knows your style better than you know your own style.Nobody can not beat this man....HE IS BOXING AND DEFINES EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. Floyd is an impeccable piece of boxing artwork, based on skills, ring IQ, mental strength, work ethics and accomplishments. Why I love Floyd? he is flawless,impeccable and an artist..he reminds me of what i could have been,talent with no ceiling,dedication with no slack,100 percent given at all times.This man lets nothing stand in the way of what he loves and anyone who follows this damn sport HAS to respect that..THE SPORT COMES BEFORE ANYTHING AT ALL TIMES!!!!! That's why he does not lose.

Gorman700 · 01-09-2013 1:41pm

TheKingslayer wrote: »

Floyd's mental aspect is unmatched,whatever mistake he makes once he does not make again.The man is like a computer in the ring he calculates everything and whatever you think you are having success with he takes away. Add in to that he is down right tough,when you actually hit him he is disgusted with himself and wants to punish you,there is no fighter alive that can defeat him,NONE!!!.Floyd is the best and even at 36 is too fast,too crafty and too smart.He works harder than any fighter and on top of that he studies you,he knows your style better than you know your own style.Nobody can not beat this man....HE IS BOXING AND DEFINES EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. Floyd is an impeccable piece of boxing artwork, based on skills, ring IQ, mental strength, work ethics and accomplishments. Why I love Floyd? he is flawless,impeccable and an artist..he reminds me of what i could have been,talent with no ceiling,dedication with no slack,100 percent given at all times.This man lets nothing stand in the way of what he loves and anyone who follows this damn sport HAS to respect that..THE SPORT COMES BEFORE ANYTHING AT ALL TIMES!!!!! That's why he does not lose.

He is everything boxing stands for inside the ring! Outside he slaps women around the place and is the most annoying and distasteful man I've ever seen!

Then he steps in the ring and I forget all that ****!!

walshb · 01-09-2013 2:38pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6QFpWJuo5A

Big Ears · 01-09-2013 7:51pm

TheKingslayer wrote: »

there is no fighter alive that can defeat him,NONE!!!.

Well that's not close to even being true !, Wladamir Klitschko likely banjos him in a round. But of course he does, he's the Heavyweight champion of the World and Floyd is a Welterweight.

ozzz · 04-09-2013 12:06am

On Floyd:

I don't see what everyone's problem with this man is. He rightly earned every dollar he flashes. If you don't like him because of that, then don't watch his fights or any of his 24/7 or All Access episodes. At least don't complain when you do so. Its as simple as that.

I personally believe Floyd to be a good character. But then again, I can only base my opinion on what I've seen of his interviews etc. It is very easy to see how he turns on the "Money Mayweather" side when shooting All Access episodes, in contrast with a lot of his interviews in which he seems to be a very down to earth, kind person. In this sense he is a very intelligent guy who knows how to hype up a fight at the right times to generate the most income- WHICH IS WORKING, IS IT NOT? Do you people really think that Floyd doesn't realize that cameras are pointing in his face when shooting such episodes. Boxing is a business and he makes the most out of it.

At day's end, only Floyd himself knows who he really is, and judging him from whatever limited interviews, 24/7, All- Access episodes are available is pointless. Instead, at least in my opinion, one should focus on actual boxing side of things.

Nevertheless, Floyd is a top class fighter who gives us a lot of entertainment- which is exactly what one looks for in boxing. Am I wrong? Like he says himself, whether you like him or not, you still watch his fights. Its true.

I think a lot of people who dislike him are jealous. He's undefeated ( I believe Canelo has a serious shot, although I said the same about Guerrero), filthy rich and a good looking guy at that.

Instead of focusing on things which can be perceived to be negative e.g flashing his money and cars, why not take the positive out of his story: hard work pays off (not only in boxing but in any field of work).

I'll admit that this whole TMT ****e can be very cringey at times, but I try not to focus on that and take whatever positives I can from him, because whatever it is that he's doing, it seems to be working.

Gorman700 · 04-09-2013 7:49am

ozzz wrote: »

On Floyd:

I don't see what everyone's problem with this man is. He rightly earned every dollar he flashes. If you don't like him because of that, then don't watch his fights or any of his 24/7 or All Access episodes. At least don't complain when you do so. Its as simple as that.

I personally believe Floyd to be a good character. But then again, I can only base my opinion on what I've seen of his interviews etc. It is very easy to see how he turns on the "Money Mayweather" side when shooting All Access episodes, in contrast with a lot of his interviews in which he seems to be a very down to earth, kind person. In this sense he is a very intelligent guy who knows how to hype up a fight at the right times to generate the most income- WHICH IS WORKING, IS IT NOT? Do you people really think that Floyd doesn't realize that cameras are pointing in his face when shooting such episodes. Boxing is a business and he makes the most out of it.

At day's end, only Floyd himself knows who he really is, and judging him from whatever limited interviews, 24/7, All- Access episodes are available is pointless. Instead, at least in my opinion, one should focus on actual boxing side of things.

Nevertheless, Floyd is a top class fighter who gives us a lot of entertainment- which is exactly what one looks for in boxing. Am I wrong? Like he says himself, whether you like him or not, you still watch his fights. Its true.

I think a lot of people who dislike him are jealous. He's undefeated ( I believe Canelo has a serious shot, although I said the same about Guerrero), filthy rich and a good looking guy at that.

Instead of focusing on things which can be perceived to be negative e.g flashing his money and cars, why not take the positive out of his story: hard work pays off (not only in boxing but in any field of work).

I'll admit that this whole TMT ****e can be very cringey at times, but I try not to focus on that and take whatever positives I can from him, because whatever it is that he's doing, it seems to be working.

You should write to him and ask him to be your pen pal!

The man is a great boxer but also a f*uckin clown. He slaps women around the place in front of his kids. He's a scumbag.

heyheyhey1982 · 04-09-2013 9:21am

As a boxer hes great and one of the best we've ever seen in the ring
As a person he can be funny and intelligent but one of the worst people regards to money and violence towards women. All the mouthy stuff when he's trash taking is okay as it's boxing hype related. As a person he is a complete tool. I hope Canelo beats him. And would love to see him beaten bad.

walshb · 04-09-2013 10:01am

ozzz wrote: »

On Floyd:

I don't see what everyone's problem with this man is. He rightly earned every dollar he flashes. If you don't like him because of that,
.

Jeez, he tells us this every damn time he's on and now you're telling us?:o

strobe · 04-09-2013 3:00pm

Lads, how do we watch this? Is it ppv on sky or whats the craic?

el flaco · 04-09-2013 3:12pm

strobe wrote: »

Lads, how do we watch this? Is it ppv on sky or whats the craic?

It's on Boxnation, sir.

Shorc · 04-09-2013 6:17pm

Feeling sick right now, rang my hotel
In liverpool that weekend, they don't have boxnation.

fsfg · 04-09-2013 7:26pm

Gorman700 wrote: »

So what?

It tells me he's a grounded down to earth guy. That is the kind of sportsman I like, no frills, real guy. I think your mistaken to think that Floyd will drop the flash when he retires. He'll still be at it, just won't be televised. He'll be broke by 50. Even 50 cent says he goes almost broke between fights! And he used to be his best mate!

I'm not hating on Mayweather as a boxer by the way, just as a man. He's everything I dislike but in the ring he is something we'll likely never see again!

I don't think he will drop the flash stuff, nor do I think he should. I doubt he will be broke either- a lot of his money is invested into tmt stuff. He is at least always planned long term income post retirement.

Post fight Floyd is not a bad guy, he calms down all his ott behaviour and is respectful to everyone (from what I have seen). That is what I expect to see when he retires.

We will see.

Like it or not he draws people in and makes it an event.i respect Cotto but if he fought an unknown fighter he would struggle to sell out the arena, Floyd would still make PPV. I don't think they are miles apart in terms of talent and yet Floyd is known as an all time great and a master of the ring.

I respect Cotto more but as a show (especially build up and hype etc) he is not as interesting.

Mayweather is in a good position because he fights in Vegas, lives in Vegas, spends his money in Vegas and is reinforcing the idea that Vegas = Money. He speaks about his Hugh gambles all the time and he is the perfect Vegas promoter- his flashy image is perfect for this. That is invaluable to the city and the boxing commission in Nevada which ensures that barring a knockout, he will remain undefeated.

I don't mind people disliking him but to question his intelligence as some here have is crazy.

Frank Bullitt · 04-09-2013 8:57pm

fsfg wrote: »

I don't think he will drop the flash stuff, nor do I think he should. I doubt he will be broke either- a lot of his money is invested into tmt stuff. He is at least always planned long term income post retirement.

Post fight Floyd is not a bad guy, he calms down all his ott behaviour and is respectful to everyone (from what I have seen). That is what I expect to see when he retires.

We will see.

Like it or not he draws people in and makes it an event.i respect Cotto but if he fought an unknown fighter he would struggle to sell out the arena, Floyd would still make PPV. I don't think they are miles apart in terms of talent and yet Floyd is known as an all time great and a master of the ring.

I respect Cotto more but as a show (especially build up and hype etc) he is not as interesting.

Mayweather is in a good position because he fights in Vegas, lives in Vegas, spends his money in Vegas and is reinforcing the idea that Vegas = Money. He speaks about his Hugh gambles all the time and he is the perfect Vegas promoter- his flashy image is perfect for this. That is invaluable to the city and the boxing commission in Nevada which ensures that barring a knockout, he will remain undefeated.

I don't mind people disliking him but to question his intelligence as some here have is crazy.

Not sure people are questioning that, more so point out that he is generally not a very nice person. Being a racist and a woman beater will generally open yourself up to endless abuse, deservedly so as well.

walshb · 04-09-2013 9:17pm

fsfg wrote: »

I don't think he will drop the flash stuff, nor do I think he should. I doubt he will be broke either- a lot of his money is invested into tmt stuff. He is at least always planned long term income post retirement.
.

Good read this: If all these hangers on have their way then PBF could well see a serious depletion.

123 million in his ONE bank account!

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9630673/floyd-mayweather-last-great-prizefighter-espn-magazine

gene_tunney · 05-09-2013 2:16pm

Mayweather will end up broke, and then probably earn some money back from TV appearances etc and live the rest of his life in and out of financial security

heyheyhey1982 · 05-09-2013 2:22pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Mayweather will end up broke, and then probably earn some money back from TV appearances etc and live the rest of his life in and out of financial security

I don't think he will. But he needs to kop on. He talks about the hangers on as family. When in reality they are there for an easy ride. He had so much money and with his promotion company he will make more. Although most of his fighters aren't in the ppv league. Watching him Flash his money around is funny as he comes across as a massive dick head. I don't think he realises what he looks like.

gene_tunney · 05-09-2013 2:51pm

heyheyhey1982 wrote: »

I don't think he will. But he needs to kop on. He talks about the hangers on as family. When in reality they are there for an easy ride. He had so much money and with his promotion company he will make more. Although most of his fighters aren't in the ppv league. Watching him Flash his money around is funny as he comes across as a massive dick head. I don't think he realises what he looks like.

He's just a big kid who seeks validation and wants to be loved, wants the affection he never got from his parents. He also boxes quite well

el flaco · 05-09-2013 7:57pm

walshb wrote: »

Good read this: If all these hangers on have their way then PBF could well see a serious depletion.

123 million in his ONE bank account!

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9630673/floyd-mayweather-last-great-prizefighter-espn-magazine

That's one of the best pieces I've read in a while.

walshb · 05-09-2013 8:14pm

el flaco wrote: »

That's one of the best pieces I've read in a while.

I enjoyed it too!

Big Ears · 05-09-2013 10:12pm

walshb wrote: »

I enjoyed it too!

Other than unveiling to the nearest million how much money Floyd Mayweather has in his bank account it didn't really tell us anything new.
However the way the piece was written did indeed make it a captivating read, I'll have to keep an eye out for Tim Keown's boxing pieces in future !

Dick phelan · 06-09-2013 2:20pm

The guy is making a guaranteed purse of 41.5 Million that is astonishing, meaning with the buys on top probably above 2 million he will earn around 60 or 65 million, amazing money making machine, i'm actually surprised he doesn't have more then 123 million, i mean he has been making 30 or 40 million since Oscar and with the Canelo fight that will be 8 fights where say he earned 40 million a fight, he should have at least 300 million then surely and tbh for the last 2 or 3 its most likely been closer to 50 million a fight. Anyone know how much Canelo is guaranteed i would guess about 15 million and he will probably get about 20 or maybe 25 for the fight

ThunderCat · 06-09-2013 2:50pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

The guy is making a guaranteed purse of 41.5 Million that is astonishing, meaning with the buys on top probably above 2 million he will earn around 60 or 65 million, amazing money making machine, i'm actually surprised he doesn't have more then 123 million, i mean he has been making 30 or 40 million since Oscar and with the Canelo fight that will be 8 fights where say he earned 40 million a fight, he should have at least 300 million then surely and tbh for the last 2 or 3 its most likely been closer to 50 million a fight. Anyone know how much Canelo is guaranteed i would guess about 15 million and he will probably get about 20 or maybe 25 for the fight

I could be wrong but my understanding of the article is that Floyd was showing his bank balance as being 123m and then he followed up by saying that was just one account. Meaning he has other millions in other bank accounts. Thanks for the link walshb. Very interesting read and it goes to show what a crazy life he leads.

el flaco · 06-09-2013 2:59pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

The guy is making a guaranteed purse of 41.5 Million that is astonishing, meaning with the buys on top probably above 2 million he will earn around 60 or 65 million, amazing money making machine, i'm actually surprised he doesn't have more then 123 million, i mean he has been making 30 or 40 million since Oscar and with the Canelo fight that will be 8 fights where say he earned 40 million a fight, he should have at least 300 million then surely and tbh for the last 2 or 3 its most likely been closer to 50 million a fight. Anyone know how much Canelo is guaranteed i would guess about 15 million and he will probably get about 20 or maybe 25 for the fight

Of course a lot of Mayweather's money will also be tied up in a lot of assets - property, jewellery, cars etc. So his net worth is probably considerably more than that bank balance.

Reports are that Canelo is earning more than $10m.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9635925/floyd-mayweather-jr-guaranteed-415m-purse-saul-alvarez-bout

As an aside, Dan Rafael mentioned that the referee (Kenny Bayless) will make $10k for this fight and the judges will receive $8k each.

Frank Bullitt · 06-09-2013 6:47pm

Boxing is dead.

HA!

Dick phelan · 06-09-2013 11:58pm

Bayless is only getting 10k i mean i knew referees dont get much but i honestly thought for such a mega fight he would get like 50k and the judges about 25k delighted Bayless is the ref the best ref around in my view great call to have him

strobe · 07-09-2013 12:27pm

How are the ref and judges selected for a fight like this does anyone know?

Aboit the boxnation thing... What's the deal there? I'd planned on heading over to my brother's place to watch the fight. He has Sky digital, will he have Boxnation as default? Will I have to get him to order the station? Can you just order it for the one month so we get this fight or is it like a 6 month pr one year cobtract or whats the jazz?
Couldn't find it on their site....

Thanks.

Gonzales177 · 07-09-2013 1:37pm

strobe wrote: »

How are the ref and judges selected for a fight like this does anyone know?

Aboit the boxnation thing... What's the deal there? I'd planned on heading over to my brother's place to watch the fight. He has Sky digital, will he have Boxnation as default? Will I have to get him to order the station? Can you just order it for the one month so we get this fight or is it like a 6 month pr one year cobtract or whats the jazz?
Couldn't find it on their site....

Thanks.

You will have to set up a subscription with boxnation through pay wizard. It's straight forward enough. It costs €12.50 to register and €12.50 for the first month. You can cancel your subscription through pay wizard then. So 25 euro in total unless you can find a promotional code or something and register for free.

Go to boxnation.com, it's explained there if in any doubt.

Tom Hanks · 07-09-2013 1:41pm

I've got a feeling this will be an absolute barn-stormer of a fight.

Gorman700 · 07-09-2013 2:07pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

Bayless is only getting 10k i mean i knew referees dont get much but i honestly thought for such a mega fight he would get like 50k and the judges about 25k delighted Bayless is the ref the best ref around in my view great call to have him

Genuinely shocked to see that! 10k is pathetic for such an event.

Kenny has been the best ref since Mills Lane, never rated that idiot Cortez, he tried to become his own kind of celebrity with his rubbish "I'm firm, but I'm fair". Bayless is probably the best I've seen really, he lets a fight evolve and flow, he also makes good decisions and I've never seen him be questioned.

Would love to see some of the British refs get a run in Vegas, Howard Foster and Victor Loughnan(?) are excellent!

Mayweather v Canelo Alvarez September 14th

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