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Mattie Mcgrath accuses Shatter of being stopped by Gardai

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    #332
    Cody Pomeray
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    rodento wrote: »
    Hmm....

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-sources-say-shatter-incident-was-not-major-issue-1.1408911

    The Garda member who spoke to Mr Shatter on the night in question at the random drink driving checkpoint in Dublin’s south inner city is currently enjoying a period of leave which began before the current controversy surrounding Mr Shatter emerged.
    Sully wrote: »
    I'd have more trust in the Times than the Indo.
    Going Forward wrote: »
    I would have some concerns about the well being of this individual.

    Will they receive any professional support in this situation?

    Does it not read to everyone else like she's just on maternity leave, or some form of sabbatical?


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    #333
    Going Forward
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Does it not read to everyone else like she's just on maternity leave, or some form of sabbatical?

    I'm not querying the type of leave at all. :)


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    #334
    Le_Dieux
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Amazing how this all blew up on the week we had to fork out for unfair property tax. Watched Vincent Brown last night, unbelievable what these muppets are being paid for, Fine Gael using their talk you down bully tactics again, sickening to watch and the question never answered, It makes my blood boil.

    Without wanting to sound bad, I would think Shatter is one lucky man the crap of the Créches blew up when it did - took a lot of the pressure and publicity off him:mad:


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    #335
    Cody Pomeray
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    Motion under discussion now, can be watched here

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/watchlisten/live-flashplayer/daileireann/

    Brian Hayes just gave a speal about "of all the things going on why are we talking about this" and a FG backbencher has rallied against the motion by proclaiming that the Minister has written a book on family law. Strange arguments so far.


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    #336
    _Kaiser_
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    Le_Dieux wrote: »
    Without wanting to sound bad, I would think Shatter is one lucky man the crap of the Créches blew up when it did - took a lot of the pressure and publicity off him:mad:

    If I were the suspicious type I'd think it a bit coincidental that RTE choose to air such a shocking report the night before this vote to distract the public/media attention from this latest scandal involving a senior political/government figure.
    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Motion under discussion now, can be watched here

    Alas most people will be watching the England v Ireland game on ITV at the moment.. priorities eh - or just more "coincidental" timing?
    Brian Hayes just gave a speal about "of all the things going on why are we talking about this"

    As per my first point, job done then!


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    Sierra Oscar
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    Shatter will be getting notions into his head of challenging Kenny for leadership at this rate, FG TD's pushing for the Minister to be declared a saint by the looks of it!


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    #338
    mikehammer67
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    the indo will prob keep digging a while longer on the story i suppose

    there's always a chance of another twist in the story


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    #339
    Cody Pomeray
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    some contrast between Claire Daly's and Wallace's contributions. Wallace reads his sermon like a bored deacon to Daly's radical Evangelist.

    He has seemed bored by Shatter's wrongdoing from the beginning. I'm not sure he still gets it himself.


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    Sierra Oscar
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    mikehammer67 wrote: »
    the indo will prob keep digging a while longer on the story i suppose

    there's always a chance of another twist in the story

    It will be interesting to see what comes from the SIPO & Data Protection Commissioner complaints. Luke Flanagan announced in the Dáil this evening that he has also made a formal complaint after Shatter leaked protected information about him into the public domain, which is becoming a bit of a Shatter characteristic at this stage.


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    #341
    Cody Pomeray
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what comes from the SIPO & Data Protection Commissioner complaints. Luke Flanagan announced in the Dáil this evening that he has also made a formal complaint after Shatter leaked protected information about him into the public domain, which is becoming a bit of a Shatter characteristic at this stage.
    what information was that? issues relating to Flanagan's penalty points?


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    #342
    Sierra Oscar
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    what information was that? issues relating to Flanagan's penalty points?

    Indeed, that's the one.


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    #343
    Cody Pomeray
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    Interesting, I wonder if that relates to an explicit statement by the Minister or the leak of Flanagan's information...

    Latter definitely deserves an investigation.

    Pretty rich of Kathleen Lynch noting how the minister could just have leaked the information on Wallace to the press if he really wanted. How noble! Even despite Shatter's balant wrongdoing - for which even Shatter, of all Ministers, has apologized - Labour are continuing so find virtue.


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    #344
    bgrizzley
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    a FG backbencher has rallied against the motion by proclaiming that the Minister has written a book on family law. Strange arguments so far.

    did he mention it was "a book you will never forget" :pac:


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    raymon
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    Now that this pantomime over whether Shatter was cordial or not is coming to an end , and before the Garda leaky tub is fixed , maybe the Fianna Fail Sunday Independent could get their " informed sources" to provide a list of TDs who had points quashed for themselves or more importantly their constituents.

    The combination of the name of the TD & constituents would be very telling


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    #346
    Sierra Oscar
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    raymon wrote: »
    Now that this pantomime over whether Shatter was cordial or not is coming to an end , and before the Garda leaky tub is fixed , maybe the Fianna Fail Sunday Independent could get their " informed sources" to provide a list of TDs who had points quashed for themselves or more importantly their constituents.

    The Minister has a report on his desk detailing the names of every single person who has had a penalty point quashed, but published it in redacted form whereby the names were removed. Why don't you direct your query towards his office?


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    #347
    Cody Pomeray
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    raymon wrote: »
    Now that this pantomime over whether Shatter was cordial
    This controversy was quite obviously never about cordiality.


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    #348
    raymon
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    The Minister has a report on his desk detailing the names of every single person who has had a penalty point quashed, but published it in redacted form whereby the names were removed. Why don't you direct your query towards his office?

    That's not the report I want , why would I want that list. Nobody would release a list like that anyway.

    What I would like is every TD who got penalty points removed for themselves or more importantly for their constituents. And the name combinations

    This would throw up a lot of dodgy TDs in my opinion.


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    #349
    biddybops
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    Did fianna fail ever ask Willie o death to step down after that incident with the affidavit?
    sure there isn't an affidavit worth the paper it's written on in this country. IMO.


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    #350
    kerry4sam
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    I would have some concerns about the well being of this individual.

    Will they receive any professional support in this situation?

    The Guard in question is a full time member of An Garda Síochána who is keeping quiet and not saying anything to contradict Commissioner Callinan so I would suspect the Guard involved is receiving full support from all around her. I would not be concerned about her well being at all.


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    Hootanany
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    kerry4sam wrote: »
    The Guard in question is a full time member of An Garda Síochána who is keeping quiet and not saying anything to contradict Commissioner Callinan so I would suspect the Guard involved is receiving full support from all around her. I would not be concerned about her well being at all.

    But surely thats unlawful not to tell the truth of what happened


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    #352
    Cody Pomeray
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    Hootanany wrote: »
    But surely thats unlawful not to tell the truth of what happened
    There's no question of unlawfulness in the case of Shatter's alleged citation of his Constitutional rights. Quite the opposite.

    There's no question of unlawfulness in the case of a public servant declining from serving the public with 'scandal'. Quite the opposite.


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    SB2013
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    Hootanany wrote: »
    But surely thats unlawful not to tell the truth of what happened

    When has a Garda ever been able to give their side of a story to the public outside of a court room?


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    #354
    jamaamaj
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    SB2013 wrote: »
    When has a Garda ever been able to give their side of a story to the public outside of a court room?

    On a picket line.?


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    mikehammer67
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    There's no question of unlawfulness in the case of Shatter's alleged citation of his Constitutional rights. Quite the opposite.

    There's no question of unlawfulness in the case of a public servant declining from serving the public with 'scandal'. Quite the opposite.

    obviously not


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    bgrizzley
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    SB2013 wrote: »
    When has a Garda ever been able to give their side of a story to the public outside of a court room?

    John Wilson was on the Last Word this evening. Fantastic interview i thought. He's a credit to the Gardai.


    (Hope its ok to link to the podcast)
    http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/mediamanager/todayfm/audio/wilson300513.mp3


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    #357
    trashcan
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    darkhorse wrote: »
    In a special Dáil debate yesterday evening, Shatter said he was told about the encounter – in which Wallace was stopped for driving while using a mobile phone – by the Garda Commissioner and that it was his “duty” to inform him about it.
    A garda spokesperson told TheJournal.ie this morning that, in disclosing the information, the commmissioner “discharged his duties in accordance with the Garda Síochana Act”.
    “All communications between the commissioner and the department are of a confidential nature,” they added.

    How the hell was it his "duty" to inform the Minister about it ? Because the person concerned was an opposition TD ? Because he was well known ? Or is it his duty to inform the Minister about everyone given a ticking off by the Gardai ? Remember Wallace wasn't even charged with an offence.


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    yara
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    bgrizzley wrote: »
    John Wilson was on the Last Word this evening. Fantastic interview i thought. He's a credit to the Gardai.


    (Hope its ok to link to the podcast)
    http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/mediamanager/todayfm/audio/wilson300513.mp3

    and we shamefully leave him and his colleague to go it alone. if the people of Ireland stood beside these brave men who knows what would come out about corruption


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    #359
    Hootanany
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    ^
    + one
    very good


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    SB2013
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    bgrizzley wrote: »
    John Wilson was on the Last Word this evening. Fantastic interview i thought. He's a credit to the Gardai.


    (Hope its ok to link to the podcast)
    http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/mediamanager/todayfm/audio/wilson300513.mp3

    He's not a Garda though,


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    Going Forward
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    kerry4sam wrote: »
    The Guard in question is a full time member of An Garda Síochána who is keeping quiet and not saying anything to contradict Commissioner Callinan so I would suspect the Guard involved is receiving full support from all around her. I would not be concerned about her well being at all.

    If the above is accurate isn't she stuck between a rock and a hard place?

    She could have rank and file support OK, but feel unable to shoulder the truth or perpetuate a cover up.


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