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Mattie Mcgrath accuses Shatter of being stopped by Gardai

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    #362
    Hootanany
    Registered Users Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    SB2013 wrote: »
    He's not a Garda though,



    Did he not retire:confused:


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    #363
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    SB2013 wrote: »
    He's not a Garda though,

    due to having to leave the force early!!


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    #364
    SB2013
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    Hootanany wrote: »
    Did he not retire:confused:
    yara wrote: »
    due to having to leave the force early!!

    My point was that he's no longer restricted in what he can say.


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    #365
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    SB2013 wrote: »
    My point was that he's no longer restricted in what he can say.

    ah ok ;)


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    #366
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Going Forward wrote: »
    If the above is accurate isn't she stuck between a rock and a hard place?

    She could have rank and file support OK, but feel unable to shoulder the truth or perpetuate a cover up.

    The other whistle blower said on Matt Coopers show the other day that he was given no support, and neither is she. It seems the rank and file are turning on her aswell!


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    #367
    Going Forward
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    The other whistle blower said on Matt Coopers show the other day that he was given no support, and neither is she. It seems the rank and file are turning on her aswell!

    This is what I suspected.

    Doesn't reflect well on AGS as a whole.


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    #368
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    Going Forward wrote: »
    This is what I suspected.

    Doesn't reflect well on AGS as a whole.

    they're all individuals who have to obey orders or they're in the bad books too

    time for a revolution in this country!! separate the good from the bad for once and for all


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    #369
    michael999999
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    yara wrote: »
    they're all individuals who have to obey orders or they're in the bad books too

    time for a revolution in this country!! separate the good from the bad for once and for all

    Is that not what the two whistle blowers were doing?


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    #370
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭Worztron


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    John Wilson was on the Last Word this evening. Fantastic interview i thought. He's a credit to the Gardai.


    (Hope its ok to link to the podcast)
    http://audioserver.todayfm.com/audio/mediamanager/todayfm/audio/wilson300513.mp3

    So driver-A using a mobile phone gets a warning while driver-B using a mobile phone gets penalty points. Why? They either were or were not using a mobile phone while driving. This use of discretion is bizarre.

    The whistle-blowers get treated like dirt for doing the right thing.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #371
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Is that not what the two whistle blowers were doing?

    so the whole country has decided to leave 2 people to try sort it out?? sounds about right to me if it is, shame on the majority in this country!!


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    #372
    michael999999
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    yara wrote: »
    so the whole country has decided to leave 2 people to try sort it out?? sounds about right to me if it is, shame on the majority in this country!!

    The whole country as you call it don't have access to pulse, so I suppose it is being left to the two guards.

    As the Garda commissioner doesn't seem to have any interest in cleaning up he's house!

    The FF/FG politicians were always corrupt and in it for a quick buck so I wouldn't expect anything different from that shower!


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    #373
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    michael999999 wrote: »
    The whole country as you call it don't have access to pulse, so I suppose it is being left to the two guards.

    yes but if enough of us gave a hint of a damn that so much information about so many of us is so easily accessible and altered we might be out protesting for change and showing some solidarity with the 2 people we now know started this whole debate off.

    by doing so we're enabling the corrupt government of today to keep picking off single brave individuals one by one for standing up to it all alone.


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    #374
    michael999999
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    yara wrote: »
    yes but if enough of us gave a hint of a damn that so much information about so many of us is so easily accessible and altered we might be out protesting for change and showing some solidarity with the 2 people we now know started this whole debate off.

    by doing so we're enabling the corrupt government of today to keep picking off single brave individuals one by one for standing up to it all alone.

    That would be fine, but they know the majority of the country are working 6 days a week to pay there mortgage and the fianna fail property tax, the Sean Quinn tax and every other tax were paying to bail out berties mates!

    I can't afford to take a day off to protest!


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    #375
    Going Forward
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    Worztron wrote: »
    So driver-A using a mobile phone gets a warning while driver-B using a mobile phone gets penalty points. Why? They either were or were not using a mobile phone while driving. This use of discretion is bizarre.

    The whistle-blowers get treated like dirt for doing the right thing.

    That is not the discretion that is being criticized, it is the wiping months later of points by senior officers after receiving pleas.
    Scenario: Driver A is lippy and ignorant and Driver B is apologetic.

    Guards are human; discretion is not an absolute science.

    Discretion deployed months later by a different Garda is a different story however and clearly has been abused by those seeking it and those doing the points wiping.


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    #376
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    michael999999 wrote: »
    That would be fine, but they know the majority of the country are working 6 days a week to pay there mortgage and the fianna fail property tax, the Sean Quinn tax and every other tax were paying to bail out berties mates!

    I can't afford to take a day off to protest!

    yes they do know this but some day soon the people will stop being totally subservient because they need next weeks dole or wage more than we need a revolution, it's inevitable because it looks like the "leaders" are unable to really change anything


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    #377
    take everything
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    Why doesn't Shatter (a guy who knows his "law book") sue the indo for libel.

    Oh right, he's almost certainly lying in the Dail about his incident at the checkpoint and wants the whole thing to blow over.
    Silly me.


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    #378
    serfboard
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    Scenario: Driver A is lippy and ignorant and Driver B is apologetic.
    I would imagine that this is usually how discretion applies. You can even see it on that "Traffic Blues" programme (or whatever it's called). I don't think anyone would have a problem with this.
    Going Forward wrote: »
    Guards are human; discretion is not an absolute science.
    Agreed.
    Going Forward wrote: »
    Discretion deployed months later by a different Garda is a different story however and clearly has been abused by those seeking it and those doing the points wiping.
    Yes and AFAIR in at least one of the cases points were wiped by a garda from a different district - which should not be allowed to happen. This is why some gardai are going to be disciplined.


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    #379
    [Deleted User]
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    take everything wrote: »
    Why doesn't Shatter (a guy who knows his "law book") sue the indo for libel.

    Oh right, he's almost certainly lying in the Dail about his incident at the checkpoint and wants the whole thing to blow over.
    Silly me.

    IF it happened as the garda claims, why was he not arrested and charged? Because it happened years before Mattie claimed, so his rant in the Dail was just thet, a rant with no facts to back it up. Because there was no wrongdoing, therefore no report, therefore nothing to answer for.


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    #380
    yara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭yara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    IF it happened as the garda claims, why was he not arrested and charged? Because it happened years before Mattie claimed, so his rant in the Dail was just thet, a rant with no facts to back it up. Because there was no wrongdoing, therefore no report, therefore nothing to answer for.

    we are where we are today due to people like you thinking our elected "elite" can and do no wrong!!


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    #381
    SB2013
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    IF it happened as the garda claims, why was he not arrested and charged? Because it happened years before Mattie claimed, so his rant in the Dail was just thet, a rant with no facts to back it up. Because there was no wrongdoing, therefore no report, therefore nothing to answer for.

    A TD returning from the Dáil cannot be arrested. What part of that escapes you? The real question is, if the Garda did indeed send up a report on the incident, why was she not directed to prosecute him?


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    #382
    Banjo String
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    IF it happened as the garda claims, why was he not arrested and charged? Because it happened years before Mattie claimed, so his rant in the Dail was just thet, a rant with no facts to back it up. Because there was no wrongdoing, therefore no report, therefore nothing to answer for.

    I guess we might just find out......

    THE garda at the centre of the Alan Shatter breath-test controversy is to meet her lawyers about giving a statement to gardai outlining her version of events.

    A senior source has said that following the Justice Minister's assertions that no report existed into how he failed to give a breath test on Dublin's Pembroke Street, the garda is determined "to get the true version of events on the record".

    Contrary to Mr Shatter's statement to the Dail last week, a source with knowledge of the matter has insisted that he did not mention having asthma when he failed to give a breath sample.

    The source said the garda wants her reputation restored after a week in which her "professionalism was effectively called into question".

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-breathtest-row-garda-seeks-legal-advice-29317378.html


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    #383
    [Deleted User]
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    yara wrote: »
    we are where we are today due to people like you thinking our elected "elite" can and do no wrong!!

    We are where we are by people at every level in Irish society losing the run of themselves and borrowing to support lavish, unsustainable lifestyles. Our elected representatives are not perfect, but they WERE elected by the people (except for the unelected MEP's, Phil Prendergast, Paul Murphy and I think one other, whose name won't come to me) We are still as a country, having to borrow ridiculous amounts of money just to keep afloat.
    The Seanad is another story, but I believe that we do need an upper house, but not in its current form.


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    #384
    take everything
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    IF it happened as the garda claims, why was he not arrested and charged? Because it happened years before Mattie claimed, so his rant in the Dail was just thet, a rant with no facts to back it up. Because there was no wrongdoing, therefore no report, therefore nothing to answer for.

    Why doesn't he sue the person supposedly libelling him.


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    #385
    SB2013
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    take everything wrote: »
    Why doesn't he sue the person supposedly libelling him.

    TDs rants in the Dáil are also privileged from legal proceedings.


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    #386
    Cody Pomeray
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    But the allegations were printed in the newspapers, specifically the Ind, beyond merely reporting on the Dáil proceedings. As much as this is a private matter for Shatter, I think it's a fair point to make. In theory, Shatter's solicitors should be all over them.


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    #387
    SB2013
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    But the allegations were printed in the newspapers, specifically the Ind, beyond merely reporting on the Dáil proceedings. As much as this is a private matter for Shatter, I think it's a fair point to make. In theory, Shatter's solicitors should be all over them.

    I disagree. Such an act would be to effectively restrict public access to the Dáil. I'm not sure of the legal position but I would think that allowing defamation proceedings against a paper who prints what is said in the Dáil would be on shaky grounds constituionally.


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    #388
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭take everything


    I mean Fionnan Sheahan's reporting from the source, not reports on Dail proceedings.


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    #389
    Cody Pomeray
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    SB2013 wrote: »
    I disagree. Such an act would be to effectively restrict public access to the Dáil.
    No we're not talking about that.

    If, in the course of Dáil proceedings, Phil Hogan proclaims that Enda Kenny shoplifts in Mothercare, the media are free to report on Hogan's privileged comments. There is no basis for a defamation suit.

    If, on the other hand, the media go to mothercare and make false or defamatory claims of what they learned from the security staff at mothercare, the media are open to litigation on their own account.

    As the poster has confirmed, he is talking about the second type. The media reported on the Shatter controversy well beyond what was said in the Dáil, and independently of what was said in the Dáil.

    I don't think Enda Kenny shoplifts in mothercare.


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    #390
    Le_Dieux
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    We are where we are by people at every level in Irish society losing the run of themselves and borrowing to support lavish, unsustainable lifestyles. Our elected representatives are not perfect, but they WERE elected by the people (except for the unelected MEP's, Phil Prendergast, Paul Murphy and I think one other, whose name won't come to me) We are still as a country, having to borrow ridiculous amounts of money just to keep afloat.
    The Seanad is another story, but I believe that we do need an upper house, but not in its current form.

    Oh Maryanne, PLEASE... You make claims on Boards about the age of a link, I have asked You over and over to prove Your claim about the validity of Your statement, and You have either refused, or chosen to ignore, my question. Is this not also 'losing the run of themselves'??

    BTW...welcome back, missed ya:)


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    #391
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We are where we are by people at every level in Irish society losing the run of themselves and borrowing to support lavish, unsustainable lifestyles. Our elected representatives are not perfect, but they WERE elected by the people (except for the unelected MEP's, Phil Prendergast, Paul Murphy and I think one other, whose name won't come to me) We are still as a country, having to borrow ridiculous amounts of money just to keep afloat.
    The Seanad is another story, but I believe that we do need an upper house, but not in its current form.

    Dare I also say they were elected based on the lies THEY spewed to the electorate, and those who voted for the coalition fell for their bait.


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