The Off Topic Thread...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 10-03-2013 11:17pm

dad always buys lemon and ginger tea so I drink it whenever i'm there, it's a little sharp on the back of the throat but still lovely

got some mixed berry infusion/tea in tesco last week, it's delicious. sadly the cranberry and orange infusion I got later in the weak turned out to be flavourless nonsense.

ling-zing · 11-03-2013 10:36pm

has anyone got any recommendations for vitamin/health food stores in the uk/eu ,i usually use iherb but got caught for €30 duty on my last order

Orla K · 27-03-2013 11:34pm

Woo! Two fresh wild caught salmon steaks waiting in someone's fridge for me and they're free!

Just realised that I was quite lucky in some ways, food wise, when I was growing up, wild caught fish, wild pheasant, the odd wild rabbits and venison. There's less of it now, there's awkwardness with gun clubs, over fishing and illegal fishing.

I used to hate fish because of salmon, for weeks during the summer the entire house would smell of fish

liking it a lot better now although I'm still iffy about shellfish(scallops are fine they don't look like anything really)

El_Dangeroso · 28-03-2013 1:44pm

Orla K wrote: »

Woo! Two fresh wild caught salmon steaks waiting in someone's fridge for me and they're free!

Just realised that I was quite lucky in some ways, food wise, when I was growing up, wild caught fish, wild pheasant, the odd wild rabbits and venison. There's less of it now, there's awkwardness with gun clubs, over fishing and illegal fishing.

I used to hate fish because of salmon, for weeks during the summer the entire house would smell of fish liking it a lot better now although I'm still iffy about shellfish(scallops are fine they don't look like anything really)

Oh jealous! Is it salmon fishing season? I paid 52 euro per kilo for some wild salmon last year, that's more expensive than fillet steak. I'd do it again to because the taste is utterly incomparable to the farmed stuff.

Orla K · 28-03-2013 9:35pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Oh jealous! Is it salmon fishing season? I paid 52 euro per kilo for some wild salmon last year, that's more expensive than fillet steak. I'd do it again to because the taste is utterly incomparable to the farmed stuff.

I guess it's the season, I don't fish so I don't know but the salmon are heading upstream at the moment. I completely went off salmon for ages, the smell would make me want to get sick, this is the first bit of salmon from someone I know that caught it fly fishing. I'm going to have to weigh it tomorrow and see how much I've got. I'm still not sure what way to cook it, I normally use darns not steaks.

El_Dangeroso · 01-04-2013 12:41pm

This is so nerdy it's absolutely brilliant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBIs_Iw0kE&feature=player_embedded

rocky · 01-04-2013 12:59pm

My high fat meals are coming to an end, my stomach/[gall bladder] is very lazy since Friday. The only thing I added to my regular meal of scrambled eggs, sour cream and goats cheese was a bit of smoked salmon. Whether there was something in it or I just reached my fat cap, I dunno. Anything to help me get through this?

El_Dangeroso · 02-04-2013 4:54pm

3 egg yolks a day in combo with a moderate carbohydrate diet improve cholesterol and overall health in new study:

http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(12)00318-6/abstract

Mr. CooL ICE · 03-04-2013 12:53pm

It's healthy eating week in work. There is a known dietician giving a talk today. I avoided it because it would have eaten into both my eating and my gym time.

However, the canteen is littered with pamphlet things with healthy eating 'facts'. They use the bloody food pyramid and say the shape of your palm determines how much meat and fish you need to eat. Now I really, really wish I went to that talk :mad:

Orla K · 06-04-2013 6:43pm

This made me sad
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/three-and-a-half-ugly-lies-behind-the-obesity-epidemic/#comment-112862

She ignored any of the good comments and completely ignored the role of FT3.

El_Dangeroso · 09-04-2013 12:35pm

I know a lady trying to lose weight, she is down from 18st to just above 15st but with still a good bit to lose.

She is a lifetime yoyo dieter, and feels her metabolism is screwed as a result.

She is only losing weight by eating 600 calories a day(awful I know). She is being overseen by a consultant in a local hospital who has put her on an 850 cal a day regime but she has gained 4lb in two months of this. :eek: She is exceptionally strict and cheating is out of the question.

She has had all manner of tests run on her, thyroid etc everything (apparently) fine.

She exercises for at least an hour a day including weights.

Anyone have any ideas on what she could try to speed up her metabolism in even the slightest way? I can't imagine how awful it is constantly subsisting on that little food every day.

Gummy Panda · 09-04-2013 2:26pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I know a lady trying to lose weight, she is down from 18st to just above 15st but with still a good bit to lose.

She is a lifetime yoyo dieter, and feels her metabolism is screwed as a result.

She is only losing weight by eating 600 calories a day(awful I know). She is being overseen by a consultant in a local hospital who has put her on an 850 cal a day regime but she has gained 4lb in two months of this. :eek: She is exceptionally strict and cheating is out of the question.

She has had all manner of tests run on her, thyroid etc everything (apparently) fine.

She exercises for at least an hour a day including weights.

Anyone have any ideas on what she could try to speed up her metabolism in even the slightest way? I can't imagine how awful it is constantly subsisting on that little food every day.

Doesn't a protein fast diet fix metabolic issues for some?

EDIT: is the 4lbs actually fat? Could be water weight

09-04-2013 3:51pm

It never rains but it pours.

4 wisdom teeth out next Friday, I imagine I'll be on the liquid diet for 4/5 days minimum. Don't want to waste away though.

Liquefy-able protein sources?

Bear in mind any deviation from body temperature foods will probably make me pass out / cry like a baby.

Zombienosh · 09-04-2013 4:04pm

Get some oat bran and quinoa flour to mix into shakes, if u have a blender you;re sorted

Stench Blossoms · 09-04-2013 4:05pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I know a lady trying to lose weight, she is down from 18st to just above 15st but with still a good bit to lose.

She is a lifetime yoyo dieter, and feels her metabolism is screwed as a result.

She is only losing weight by eating 600 calories a day(awful I know). She is being overseen by a consultant in a local hospital who has put her on an 850 cal a day regime but she has gained 4lb in two months of this. :eek: She is exceptionally strict and cheating is out of the question.

She has had all manner of tests run on her, thyroid etc everything (apparently) fine.

She exercises for at least an hour a day including weights.

Anyone have any ideas on what she could try to speed up her metabolism in even the slightest way? I can't imagine how awful it is constantly subsisting on that little food every day.

Get her to eat 2000+ calories for one day. It will shock the body. I did it a few times when I was low caloring it and it worked for me.

El_Dangeroso · 09-04-2013 6:26pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Doesn't a protein fast diet fix metabolic issues for some?

EDIT: is the 4lbs actually fat? Could be water weight

Could well be, thing is, it's not coming off (nothing is) on 800 cals a day. I calc'd her BMR for her: 1700 cals!

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Get her to eat 2000+ calories for one day. It will shock the body. I did it a few times when I was low caloring it and it worked for me.

I thought that too, but she's very reluctant to try since any increase in cals seems to result in weight that doesn't shift again even on very low calories.

I'd love to get her metabolism tested with doubly-labelled water but have no idea where in Ireland you could get that done.

Orla K · 09-04-2013 7:56pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I know a lady trying to lose weight, she is down from 18st to just above 15st but with still a good bit to lose.

She is a lifetime yoyo dieter, and feels her metabolism is screwed as a result.

She is only losing weight by eating 600 calories a day(awful I know). She is being overseen by a consultant in a local hospital who has put her on an 850 cal a day regime but she has gained 4lb in two months of this. :eek: She is exceptionally strict and cheating is out of the question.

She has had all manner of tests run on her, thyroid etc everything (apparently) fine.

She exercises for at least an hour a day including weights.

Anyone have any ideas on what she could try to speed up her metabolism in even the slightest way? I can't imagine how awful it is constantly subsisting on that little food every day.

Been there:( One meal every two days with snacks that were just bits of cheese.
I know they said her thyroid was fine but the lab ranges are stupid and so are what they test for and what the don't. I won't rule it out until FT3, rT3, full iron, adrenals(I have heard they only do the am blood in ireland) antibodies etc. but of course it could be none on this!

I would agree with stench, sadly she will gain some weight on this but that could be somewhat offset by... WEIGHTLIFTING... YEEH (just saw about the exercise, no or little cardio! for now)
Also it's not great to totally restrict on macro nutrients so potatoes and cream are both in WOO.. POTATO GRATIN! Keep it a clean diet too. I tend to lose weight easier when I eat potato gratin.

As a matter of interest does she have any other symptoms? Does she take her basal temp in the morning.

It will be difficult but it is doable, is it just from crazy dieting? What kind of stuff is she going for now?

That's what I would try for a number of months.

El_Dangeroso · 09-04-2013 8:45pm

Orla K wrote: »

Also it's not great to totally restrict on macro nutrients so potatoes and cream are both in WOO.. POTATO GRATIN! Keep it a clean diet too. I tend to lose weight easier when I eat potato gratin.

WOOO me too! I also feel much better when I eat potato gratin. I love how it increases my body temp too, nothing worse than freezing cold hands and feet.

I will pass on this info to her which I hope she will take on board but at the moment she is listening to the consultant and keeping cals at that level on his advice, doubt she'll take my advice on that score, she's terrified of gaining weight lest it never comes off again.

Where in Ireland can you get adrenals tested? I doubt they wouldn't be shot from the extreme restriction. She's eating low fat and low carb at the moment so I'll wager the cortisol is pumping out hard to avoid her fainting from lack of energy calories.

Orla K · 09-04-2013 9:54pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

WOOO me too! I also feel much better when I eat potato gratin. I love how it increases my body temp too, nothing worse than freezing cold hands and feet.

I will pass on this info to her which I hope she will take on board but at the moment she is listening to the consultant and keeping cals at that level on his advice, doubt she'll take my advice on that score, she's terrified of gaining weight lest it never comes off again.

Where in Ireland can you get adrenals tested? I doubt they wouldn't be shot from the extreme restriction. She's eating low fat and low carb at the moment so I'll wager the cortisol is pumping out hard to avoid her fainting from lack of energy calories.

Messed up adrenals can affect the thyroid and visa versa so it's likely that both are a contributing part, just thinking too she's going to be quite low in vitamins and stuff that's not going to help, I'm also now just thinking about a study someone posted somewhere(may have been you) it was about gastric operation patients having different gut flora after the operation(I think I don't remember reading it) you could advise her to start with getting her gut healthy.
I think you can get 8am blood test anywhere but for saliva test they send it to England, you might be able to get them taken here and sent off, apparently I've had a blood test sent to France!

On a side note where/how is the best place to get full studies, not just abstracts?

El_Dangeroso · 09-04-2013 10:00pm

Orla K wrote: »

On a side note where/how is the best place to get full studies, not just abstracts?

PM me.

I have access to most but not all journals.

Thephantomsmask · 11-04-2013 11:35am

I'm in a similar position to your friend, fighting a broken metabolism. In my case though I was born prematurely and they use various drugs to promote weight gain in preemies. I was emaciated up to the age of 6 and then basically ballooned over night, I was destroyed with purple stretch marks. I don't think frequent steroids for respiratory problems helped either.

Currently I'm 29, 5ft5 and 100kg. At my heaviest I was 123kg (about 15kg of this due to depo provera). I started a ketogenic diet in sept 2011 with personal training once a week and increasing my exercise and the first 16kg or so came off pretty easily in about 6 months yet in the last year I've lost 6kg. I'm strength training 4 nights a week and one night of metcon/HIIT work, I doubt muscle gain explains the lack of weightloss. I've tried SKD, TKD and CKD at various calorie intakes between 10 and 12 per pound. I've gone back to 10cal per pound with a split of roughly 35/35/30 p/f/c making sure to get my 1g/lb protein. This is after several weeks of eating in excess of 3000 cal per day. I'm hoping to see some results on the scale but getting pretty demoralised when MFP tells me "you could weigh x in 5 weeks" yet I'm still the same!

Piper101 · 15-04-2013 11:20am

As this is the off topic thread I am going to go off topic

I am currently on a mainly plant based whole food diet...had a baby 14 weeks ago and still breastfeeding so my energy levels have hit an all time low (not ready to give up yet!!!)

How bad are hand cooked vegetable crisps?? Just had a bag, ingredients are mixed root veg, 63% sunflower oil and sea salt...202 kcal but not really worried about that.

Have weight to lose but trying to do it sensibly much more worried about health

El_Dangeroso · 15-04-2013 2:45pm

Piper101 wrote: »

As this is the off topic thread I am going to go off topic

I am currently on a mainly plant based whole food diet...had a baby 14 weeks ago and still breastfeeding so my energy levels have hit an all time low (not ready to give up yet!!!)

How bad are hand cooked vegetable crisps?? Just had a bag, ingredients are mixed root veg, 63% sunflower oil and sea salt...202 kcal but not really worried about that.

Have weight to lose but trying to do it sensibly much more worried about health

They are the same as normal crisps just with fancier marketing.

Honestly, this is NOT the time to be restricting calories. You are still recovering from having a baby AND you are breastfeeding. It's damn hard to get enough calories from just plants. No wonder you have no energy.

Are you vegetarian? Do you eat dairy? I would really emphasise energy dense foods like cheese and cream, that's what will will get your energy levels back up. You will burn through calories now like no other time in your life.

Also plenty of eggs, choline is not present in plants and it's essential for early life brain development.

Sephya · 15-04-2013 5:56pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Also plenty of eggs, choline is not present in plants and it's essential for early life brain development.

false. choline is found in a wide range of plant food such as cabbage, chickpeas, lentils, cauliflower, spinach, rice, lettuce, peanuts, grapejuice etc.

Piper101 · 15-04-2013 6:01pm

I must not have explained myself properly!!!

I only started this in the past week due to my dip in energy levels. I had a lot of refined sugar in my diet and knew it wasnt doing either of us any good.

I had two hard boiled eggs yesterday and my dinner today was two pieces of mackerel, salad and cous cous with roasted aubergine and baby tomatoes in it. I am well aware of the importance of omega 3 and take a supplement as well.

My plan however is to eat mainly fruit, veg and grains and avoid as much as I can refined sugar (although I had honey in my porridge this morning).

I'm currently snacking on cacao nibs as I see now veg crisps are no good

El_Dangeroso · 15-04-2013 6:33pm

Sephya wrote: »

false. choline is found in a wide range of plant food such as cabbage, chickpeas, lentils, cauliflower, spinach, rice, lettuce, peanuts, grapejuice etc.

Thanks Dwight! Plants contain a fraction of the choline that eggs do. Since pregnant women need double the choline what do you suggest? 10 cooked cups of spinach a day? God forbid anyone just eat 4 eggs. Enough with the vegan propaganda.

Piper101 wrote: »

I must not have explained myself properly!!!

I only started this in the past week due to my dip in energy levels. I had a lot of refined sugar in my diet and knew it wasnt doing either of us any good.

I had two hard boiled eggs yesterday and my dinner today was two pieces of mackerel, salad and cous cous with roasted aubergine and baby tomatoes in it. I am well aware of the importance of omega 3 and take a supplement as well.

My plan however is to eat mainly fruit, veg and grains and avoid as much as I can refined sugar (although I had honey in my porridge this morning).

I'm currently snacking on cacao nibs as I see now veg crisps are no good

Nothing wrong with mashed potato with plenty of butter and cream

Sephya · 15-04-2013 8:22pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Thanks Dwight! Plants contain a fraction of the choline that eggs do. Since pregnant women need double the choline what do you suggest? 10 cooked cups of spinach a day? God forbid anyone just eat 4 eggs. Enough with the vegan propaganda.

you said plants have no choline. this is demonstrably false. however when pointed out, instead of admitting your mistake, you accuse me of engaging in "vegan propaganda". sad.

El_Dangeroso · 15-04-2013 9:34pm

Sephya wrote: »

you said plants have no choline. this is demonstrably false. however when pointed out, instead of admitting your mistake, you accuse me of engaging in "vegan propaganda". sad.

You have twenty odd posts, each of them only to argue with people. You contribute nothing. That is sad.

Sephya · 15-04-2013 9:53pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

You have twenty odd posts, each of them only to argue with people. You contribute nothing. That is sad.

i thought this was a discussion board? instead of attacking me you should realise that people have different points of view.

anyway, it seems you took umbrage to my pointing out of your mistake and you tried to distract with a "vegan propaganda" swipe rather than be an adult about it and admit you were mistaken.

dr.bollocko · 15-04-2013 10:00pm

Sephya wrote: »

i thought this was a discussion board? instead of attacking me you should realise that people have different points of view.

anyway, it seems you took umbrage to my pointing out of your mistake and you tried to distract with a "vegan propaganda" swipe rather than be an adult about it and admit you were mistaken.

You attacked them.

The point was clarified and now you're clutching at straws to try and big yourself up for some bizarre reason.

Seems quite pointless even responding tbh. Don't know why I bother.

Sephya · 15-04-2013 10:09pm

dr.bollocko wrote: »

You attacked them.

The point was clarified and now you're clutching at straws to try and big yourself up for some bizarre reason.

Seems quite pointless even responding tbh. Don't know why I bother.

bizarre!!

i responded to a post that said plants have no choline. when i pointed out that this wasn't true i was then attacked and accused of spreading "vegan propaganda".

Mellor · 16-04-2013 1:53am

Sephya wrote: »

bizarre!!

i responded to a post that said plants have no choline. when i pointed out that this wasn't true i was then attacked and accused of spreading "vegan propaganda".

Why are you repeating yourself?

The point was clarified, that plant sources are a lot lower than eggs. I've no idea why you are ignoring that part, or can't understand it.

Sephya · 16-04-2013 9:54am

Mellor wrote: »

Why are you repeating yourself?

The point was clarified, that plant sources are a lot lower than eggs. I've no idea why you are ignoring that part, or can't understand it.

what i can't understand is why was i attacted as spreading "vegan propaganda" merely for having the termerity to correct another poster on the misinformation that they had posted. every post since has been an episode in glossing over that.

El_Dangeroso · 16-04-2013 10:31am

Sephya wrote: »

what i can't understand is why was i attacted as spreading "vegan propaganda" merely for having the termerity to correct another poster on the misinformation that they had posted. every post since has been an episode in glossing over that.

Wow you really are a dog with a bone aren't you? I'm not glossing over anything, I clarified that FUNCTIONALLY, eggs are a much superior source.

You are a vegan, all you have ever contributed to this forum is nitpicking and arguments and you wonder why people think you have an agenda? You honestly can't be that stupid.

Sephya · 16-04-2013 10:39am

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Wow you really are a dog with a bone aren't you? I'm not glossing over anything, I clarified that FUNCTIONALLY, eggs are a much superior source.

You are a vegan, all you have ever contributed to this forum is nitpicking and arguments and you wonder why people think you have an agenda? You honestly can't be that stupid.

is pointing out that plants do infact have choline, when you said they have none, "vegan propaganda"?

Orla K · 16-04-2013 6:35pm

*Monty python style*
And now for something completely different...

I'm going to the dentist tomorrow something which I hate doing and I can feel myself getting stressed over it with the usual symptoms of getting tired easily, forgetfulness (yes I've forgotten the rest of the stuff that normally happens when I get stressed) lack of focus.

I chipped my tooth so I'm going to have to get a filling

going to ask for a non mercury one.

Anyone know of anything I can do that will aid healing, with it in mind that my thyroid isn't working to it's full capabilities so it will slow healing a bit. Or even something that might stop my face looking like I've had a stroke for hours after, the needle thing which I can't spell normally takes ages to kick in for me so alot of the time I get a good few of them all of which kick in about 5 min after they've finished.

I'm not looking forward to this:(

rubadub · 16-04-2013 6:47pm

Orla K wrote: »

I can't spell normally takes ages to kick in for me so alot of the time I get a good few of them all of which kick in about 5 min after they've finished.

One time an old guy went into the dentist before me, he came out really quick and he called me in. He gave me an injection and brought me back to the waiting room, and brought the other old guy back in.

he had presumably given him an injection too, and rather than put loads of drugs in your system to make it work quick he let us both get a small amount and wait for it to kick in.

Not sure if this is common or if you could request it. The last time I went he injected and did loads of cleaning while waiting for it to kick in.

Orla K · 16-04-2013 7:04pm

rubadub wrote: »

One time an old guy went into the dentist before me, he came out really quick and he called me in. He gave me an injection and brought me back to the waiting room, and brought the other old guy back in.

he had presumably given him an injection too, and rather than put loads of drugs in your system to make it work quick he let us both get a small amount and wait for it to kick in.

Not sure if this is common or if you could request it. The last time I went he injected and did loads of cleaning while waiting for it to kick in.

Just thinking she is going to clean my teeth. I did go to a dentist before who did it the way you said but I took 3 times as long as everyone else.

I'm not going to be able to go onto boards until tomorrow, nanny is sick so I'm going to stay in her house, which means no internet.

Sangre · 22-04-2013 9:45am

Breakfast:

Two eggs and two turkey rashers (cooked with coconut oil/almond oil)

Or

Pre- gym: 30g porridge w/ 250ml of milk and 30g whey protein
Post - gym: 30g whey with water followed by homemade protein bar around 11am

Lunch:

Large Meat Salad (e.g. chicken with spinach, lettuce, cherry tomatoes, carrots and pesto)

Dinner:
Meat with veg (e.g. bolognaise/chili with cabbage/spinach or chicken with veg)

Snacks:
Mixed seeds and nuts/natural yoghurt
Whey protein if my calories are low for day

Drinks:
Tea with milk, diet coke

Didn't want to start a whole new thread but would appreciate people's thoughts on my general diet and any areas its lacking. As a general rule I try to keep carbs to a minimum and avoid bread, pasta and potatoes. However, I will be more relaxed if eating out or at weekends but generally good during week (the only vice would be a sandwich the odd week). I also am trying to have fish at least once a week now.

I'm generally quite good for avoiding sweet foods and would never buy them. However, I'm a bit of a splurger so if they're put before I can over indulge sometimes (not very common).

Weight: 79Kg
Height: 174cm
Training: Resistance focused

Stench Blossoms · 22-04-2013 10:40am

I think your diet is spot on tbh.

How many grams of protein are you usually getting?

How long have you been eating like this?

Sangre · 22-04-2013 11:08am

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

I think your diet is spot on tbh.

How many grams of protein are you usually getting?

How long have you been eating like this?

I've ate reasonably well for a few years but have gone through periods of poor eating ('dirty bulks' :rolleyes:). I've tightened up the diet since christmas and have lost about 9kg. I am not someone who struggles to gain weight so I've found that I need to limit carbs if I want to maintain a healthy balance. I'm still notionally trying to lose weight though.

Biggest obstacle with diet by far is work. Often find myself working 14 hours during busy periods so can often be eating all my meals bar breakfast in office.

Orla K · 22-04-2013 11:30am

Horrible frustrating week, where I know I have information on improving someone's quality of life but I can't do a damn thing about it. It's also been stressing me out a bit and making my adrenals/thyroid go mleh.

On good news lately I've been thinking about this, (and people always get the wrong impression when I say it) but about 7 years ago I got an IQ test type of thing done by a professional. Turned out it's quite high(with memory and speed of processing being quite low) Looking back at the last few years I think the only reason I've been able to get this far is because I am intelligent. So woo for smarts!

At that time I also had a reading ability of a 14 year old and a spelling ability of a 9 year old

Piper101 · 22-04-2013 6:11pm

made my own pizza using spelt flour today from scratch!! and oat biscuits supplementing the sugar and margarine for honey and coconut oil...well proud of my self

anyone have an tips for a healthy alternative to honey? biscuits are a bit too mushy and I would prefer them crunchy

Zombienosh · 23-04-2013 9:50am

Honey?
I don't know how the table ranks syrup, Isn't Agave supposed to be good?

Orla K · 23-04-2013 10:19am

I'd just go for some good quality honey, I can't stand the agave stuff I'm not too sure about it's healthiness status too.
Alot of people seem to use majool dates(might have spelt that wrong)
If they were too mushy use less wet ingredients or more dry ingredients.

23-04-2013 10:26am

Deleted User wrote: »

It never rains but it pours.

4 wisdom teeth out next Friday, I imagine I'll be on the liquid diet for 4/5 days minimum. Don't want to waste away though.

Liquefy-able protein sources?

Bear in mind any deviation from body temperature foods will probably make me pass out / cry like a baby.

still not really eating properly, meds knocking me out too because I don't have much in me.

It's not the protein that's been an issue it's getting fat that's been tough.

Other than spoons of olive oil anyone got a suggestion for some decent sources of fat that require literally no chewing?

I've burnt out my taste for greek yoghurt at this stage...

Ready brek made with coconut milk was good on day 1, but can't face it again!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 23-04-2013 10:32am

coconut oil
take out a tbsp, heat it in a microwave then bung it into a glass of milk or water, mix it up and down it

could just place the dollop in your mouth and let it liquify there, shoudlnt take too long

also you could just drink coconut milk straight. it's delicious

Orla K · 23-04-2013 9:40pm

Woo for more free wild salmon:D

Non woo for the stress I'm having now:(

El_Dangeroso · 24-04-2013 8:55pm

I got my vitamin D tested again there recently. Last year it was 90mmol/l with some very scant supplementation.

Now it's 69mmol/l, well bugger, time to supplement again.

Piper101 · 24-04-2013 9:19pm

Or maybe an excuse for a holiday?

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